Chiefs Trade For 49ers QB: Oops, They Did It Again!


It’s deja vu all over again on Groundhog’s Day while staring in Harry Potter’s mirror of Erised.

OMG… or LOL… or is there new abbreviated text word for “HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE?”

Let’s take care of first things first. Amos and Andy… uh… I’m talking about another comedy routine…John and Andy… better hope Geno Smith is a bust because if Geno ends up in a Raiders uni flinging the ball all over Arrowhead in a route of the Chiefs, the Save-Our-Chiefs cry may resurface sooner than anyone suspects.

Now, on to Alex Smith in red and gold. How regrettable is it that an organization that appeared to be on the verge of turning a corner from decades of an ugly first round QB bias, has taken an old, well worn path to bringing in the next Joe Montana: trading with the San Francisco 49ers for a back-up to supposedly be their new franchise knight in shining armor.

Was Clark Hunt in pre-school when the Chiefs brought in Steve Bono or Elvis Grbac from the 49ers so, he just doesn’t recall the Arrowhead pain and suffering? Also, as much as I loved Joe Montana he only played 25 regular season games in his two last seasons, both with the Chiefs. However, they paid dearly to bring him in for less than two whole years of service. In 1993, the Chiefs handed away their 18th overall, first round, pick to San Francisco for their 1994 3rd round pick plus the 9ers threw in Safety David Whitmore. The Chiefs got 16 undistinguished games from Whitmore in two season and then selected WR Lake Dawson (4 years and 103 total receptions) in the 3rd.

Now it appears the Chiefs are about to pay dearly once again.

Is this part of a losing legacy or can Andy Reid actually transform Alex Smith into a big game winner?

By using the second round pick (34th in this draft) this season the Chiefs aren’t likely to turn around this year and select a QB at #1 as well. Those would be long, long odds.

The people who say that Alex Smith is better than Matt Cassel should take a look at what they have been saying about Matt Cassel for four years: if the Chiefs surround him with good players (like Smith has been surrounded by in San Fran) then Cassel would be a very good QB.

That never worked out of course and I can’t see why anyone would think it’s going to work out for Alex Smith who is essentially a Cassel clone with a tiny bit of upside.

Alex Smith has 14,280 total passing yards. Matt Cassel 13,495. Smith has 81 TDs and 63 INTs — Cassel 82 TDs and 57 INTs. Smith has appeared in 80 games and Cassel in 78.

Sometimes when you look in the mirror the image is the same no matter how you turn the frame. I’m wondering which mirror Dorsey and Reid are looking in?

Even if you like this trade, you have to admit the Chiefs overpaid dramatically. Prior to this off season there was speculation in the Bay area that Alex Smith might end up being released. Just 18 months ago, no one would have wanted him.

Compare the Alex Smith trade to the Joe Montana trade: Montana for a #18 vs. Smith for #34 overall (plus a 2014 pick). Probably the best QB ever to pull on tights and pads compared to Mr. Nondescript (who’ll be best remembered for being drafted ahead of Aaron Rodgers).

The major question with this trade has to do with the difference between squandering a second round pick (and much more) for another team’s wreckage…. instead of investing a first round pick in a youthful contributor… who might need developing… but has a great potential.

Why isn’t that a risk that the Chiefs organization can take? Once again, the Chiefs will be taking their conventional risk. Isn’t there a built in risk now associated to taking the same path that hasn’t produced the desired results? The fans can see it. Why don’t the Chiefs see it?

Can’t anyone in the Chiefs organization see that time has proven repeatedly that this risk is greater than drafting their own young gun QB? Drew Brees took over in New Orleans in 2006 as a San Diego reject and has had great success. Name another QB reject who has done that. It’s slim pickin’s if you’re looking back through NFL history and are trying to find QBs who left one team and were a big success elsewhere.

Once you’ve compared Smith and Cassel and come to conclusions about their striking similarities, then the drafting of a young player who, at worst, needs to be developed appears like a much lesser risk to take. Why? Because everything we need to know about a veteran QB is already known… plus, there’s a high probability the vet has maxed out his potential.

Does anyone really think Alex Smith is going to be a better field general in the Chiefs offense than he was with the 49ers star studded group?

While old man Matt Cassel will turn 31 this May… next May, Alex Smith turns 30. So, anyone who believes the Chiefs just got a lot younger at the QB position because of this move needs to look at their calendar.

Even if the Chiefs authorities consider Alex Smith to only be a 2-3 year bridge to the future, they have underestimated the escalating costs… of this toll bridge.

I’m not even referring to the cost involved in the making of this trade. That’s extensive enough. I’m referring to the cost the next three years will take on the organization as a whole. This goes far beyond the loss of talent and youth that would have been injected into the Chiefs roster… picks which now belong to the San Francisco 49ers.

If you’re Dwayne Bowe, how motivated are you now to re-sign with your hometown homies? As far as he’s concerned it must look like — Matt Cassel #1 out — Matt Cassel #2 in.

Matt Cassel’s career quarterback rating is 80.4. Smith’s is 79.1. Many are looking at the fool’s gold that is Smith’s 2012 rating of 104.1, just as many were fooled by Cassel’s 2010 rating of 93.0. If you take each of their career ratings into account and factor their one year wonder scores… you get a clearer picture of what they are like in most years.

If this move makes LT Branden Albert expendable in favor of the new flavor, LT Luke Joeckel first overall, would the Chiefs be better or worse than last year? That’s a rhetorical question — so don’t try to answer it — because I’m pretty sure they will be worse. Hasn’t it been the interior of the Chiefs OL that has been the biggest problem since Barry Richardson left town? If that goes unaddressed this off season then it won’t matter who is placed behind center but, replacing Matt Cassel with another Matt Cassel absolutely won’t be the fix.

Three more years of QB shortcomings can be an organization killer.

What does three years of mediocrity mean to players like linebackers Derrick Johnson or Tamba Hali? DJ turns 31 later this year, Hali 30 and the window closes considerably on their effectiveness by the time Alex would exit onto the I-70 on-ramp for the last time.

Andy Reid may be a super QB savant but, this move comes across more as the making of a zen sand garden… the purpose of which is to symbolize “impermanence.”

The Chiefs organization is stuck with a very real yet undeniably pathetic pathology: buying another man’s junk and attempting to re-animate it into a football Jesus.

You’ve heard of the false Christ? Get your tickets here.

How can Clark Hunt allow a move like this to go down? It’s clear that no real lessons have been learned over the years.

When evaluating the Clark Hunt era with the Chiefs — his legacy will now be forever linked to the Re-Pioli-ization of the roster. It’s not enough to say that the Chiefs organization has repeated the same mistake of trading for a 49ers quarterback as in decades past — because previous GM Scott Pioli pulled this same lame 2nd round, second rate, QB trade just 4 short years ago… on Clark Hunt’s watch.

This is all now on Clark Hunt.

So, the masses collectively exhale.

In an attempt to inspire those seeking to make positive changes in their lives, motivational speaker Anthony Robbins has long espoused the adage, “The past — does not equal the future”.

Well, in Kansas City it does.

 

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  • Jeffrey Wiggins

    Wow this offseason is going to be long…. tired of teh Alex bashing and Geno worshipping…. We all know if Geno goes to the Raiders he will flop like Todd Blackledge did for us years ago because they have never known how to use talent properly. I for one am glad that they went and got a QB that at least will not require the entire offense to convert to the QB read-option setup…. seriously every 5-7 years a new running QB sensation comes along and no one can figure it out (for a season)… then the next season he cannot figure out why he gets creamed every time they call the option play….

    Is Alex Smith a Peyton Manning QB….. HELL NO…. but remember Peyton wanted nothing to do with KC (he wouldn’t have even sat in the airport on a lay over he was so anti-KC because of the front office). You can compare Cassell stats to Smith stats all day and gripe, but why not compare the college QB stats from last years QB crop versus this years as well…. If Geno was in last years draft he might have gone in the 4-5 round cause no one would have even talked about him. Free Agency or a huge trade move was the only other option and Alex was a smart choice considering what will be available in the Free Agency…. You want to draft a QB wait until the 3-5 rounds and draft a Landry Jones… he has good skills and a good head and will not cost much and develop that but do not draft the next Ryan Leaf.

    • ladner morse

      I have to agree… none of us knows about how Geno Smith will do. But. I’m wondering if you think Alex Smith is really an upgrade over Matt Cassel? I have spent time evaluating film on him and can see he is more accurate and consistent…. but the big question about that is… will be be able to do the same behind a Chiefs line that in no way compares to the 49ers?

      • TAZMOSIS

        Laddie,
        I think that you have really missed the boat on both Smiths. Firstly, Alex will be 29 on his next birthday, not 30. Also, you have to look at his most recent body of work to see how far he has progressed. In 2011, he led the Niners to a 13 and 3 record. And if not for a couple of bonehead miscues by a special teamer, they would have been in the Super Bowl. Last year, before he was concussed, the Niners were 6 and 2. Alex Smith lost his starting QB job through no fault of his own.
        Now, on to the other Smith. Geno impressed early in the year, then tailed off after mid-season. We all know what a horrible defense his team had, but most were willing to overlook that as long as Smith continued to play well. As for drafting him with the first pick, even now that looks like it would have been a reach. If the Chiefs had not gotten Alex Smith and had taken Geno first, if he didn’t come in right away and win some games for the Chiefs, we all would have been saying that he was a wasted pick. I’m sure that Reid and Dorsey looked at every possible way that they could justify drafting Geno #1, but he just didn’t pass muster. This is a team that can win now. Manning didn’t set the league on fire last year, and the Chiefs owner and management have to feel with a competent QB, that the Chiefs had a real shot to win the division. Even if Geno Smith were drafted, when would he start? The Chiefs had no one that was capable to take the reins until Smith was ready. So, now what? Keep a useless Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn combo? Pay all that money so the fans could come in and boo a losing team with the same bad QB play as before?
        And what if Geno doesn’t progress as hoped for? Signing Alex Smith was a no-brainer. He gives the Chiefs a proven winner that will thrive under the mentoring of Andy Reid. As for the bounty the team gave up for him, let’s look at it this way. The Chiefs just got who they believe will be their QB for the foreseeable future for a second round pick! If he leads this team in a positive direction, as many of us believe he will, the pick at #2 and a conditional 2014 will look like robbery.
        Laddie, I think you have completely missed on Alex Smith and Geno Smith. You have undervalued Alex and overrated the Geno. But, I guess time will tell.

        • ladner morse

          1) I said Cassel will be 31 THIS May… and Smith will be 30 NEXT May (May of 2014). 2) QBs never lose their starting QB job through “no fault” of their own. If they are better… they go back in. Think Montana and Young… Young sat on the bench for years. 3) I’m not sure quoting a 6-2 record this year is so stellar. 4) Smith’s 90.7 quarterback rating in 2011 is good but, not anywhere close to elite. Tom Brady has only had a quarterback rating that low ONCE in the past 9 seasons.

          Geno… I am not saying he’s the answer to all the Chiefs problems — he’d just give the Chiefs a FIRST TIME opportunity to take a player who could be developed while holding onto all of our other draft picks. Alex Smith’s short career and his lack of a higher ceiling + the loss of draft picks… makes this scenario less palatable for me…. and for the many fans I have talked to.

          I’m not saying I’m right… it’s just and opinion.

          • jimfromkcj

            And not a good one at that. You are suggesting that it is alright to take a developing type player with the overall first pick in the draft. That is ludicrous. Every first rd pick last year started at the git go and they all put up pretty good numbers. Even Russell taken in the 3rd rd started. So as far as I am concerned if a guy can’t start and play well after being drafted high in the first he is not a viable player to draft. period. Alex might not be the player to take us to a super bowl, but most of us would be a little contented with winning some games and being competitive in most all games. I think if we draft Geno and he comes in and struggles that kool aiders will be inclined to come up with more excuses than a flea ridden dog has fleas why and we will be 3 or 4 years down the pike before we consider drafting a real franchise QB. There are a few of us who have been against the Pioli and Cassel debacle from day one and don’t say that you weren’t one of the excusers.

          • ladner morse

            Jim… I was originally FOR the Cassel trade. I am an old USC fan and was hoping against all hope that Cassel would work out. However, I have posts from a few years ago now that show Cassel’s great inconsistencies. So, I have been against having him QB the Chiefs for some time now.

            About Geno… it’s my position that he will be successful from the get go. When I talk about his being a developmental player… I’m just reflecting the worst case scenario for him. Many think he will bust. Not me. Many thin he will be a developmental project. Not me. I’m attempting to look at the most likely results no matter what choice the Chiefs make.

            Calling people kool aiders might be a bit harsh.. .so if you can find another way to say that it would be appreciated. I however… have never been a kool aider.

          • superman_25_58

            Lol this is funny……….. “Alex might not be the player to take us to a super bowl, but most of us would be a little contented with winning some games and being competitive in most all games”………………………. HECK NO!!!!! I will not be content with just being competitive like we have been for what seems like a Damn Century! I want a Dang Super Bowl and nothing less! I wanna be able to take my boys to see a Chiefs team that we can all be proud of and excited about like the “DT #58 ERA”. I don’t wanna waste my money on an organization who is willing to make another dumb move by letting their proven LT walk and drafting a LT that didn’t even look like the best tackle in the draft during Senior Bowl and Combine which makes me think maybe Manziel had a little more to do with Joekells success than anyone wants to admit. This move does nothing to better the team in any way and is a waste of the number one pick if they choose to do so. By the way what was the point of Clark Hunt eating Pioli’s contract, if the chiefs are just going to do what Pioli’s dumb self said he would do during the Combine?

          • TAZMOSIS

            Fair enough. But soon we will know what the Chiefs are going to do with that #1 pick. I would not be surprised to see a team such as the Raiders try to trade up to get Geno Smith. Maybe even the Eagles. So, if that happens, the Chiefs can end up actually replacing the loss of the second rounder to the Niners and still get a starter in the first.

          • ladner morse

            I hadn’t thought about the raiders as a possible trade partner. Talk about unconventional. If the Chiefs could move to #3 in the draft it would be a lot easier to trade even further down from there and pick up even more picks. Trading with the Raiders…. I wonder if that’s ever happened?

        • Steve Blank

          very good post….I hope the haters can take a second to absorb it and start to think logically

        • superman_25_58

          You mean to tell us that Reid couldn’t see anything to Justify Geno at #1, but saw everything in McNabb and snatched him up at #2? This makes no sense McNabb was no where close to Geno in college comparisons.

          • superman_25_58

            and also you have to look over the whole body of work not just the recent, bc recent doesn’t tell jack crap. Just ask the Cards when they snatched up the soon to be great Kolb…….. hahaha that back fired.

      • KC65TPT

        At least Smith can pull the trigger, where as Cassel couldn’t even when someone was wide open

        • KCMikeG

          Cassel has 160 sacks & 44 fumbles over his career and AS has 196 sacks & 44 fumbles. Virtually identical completion % and AS has 2177 attempts to MC’s 2044. I’m not seeing a much better trigger pulling effect here.

          • Steve Blank

            take into account how many different O coords AS had…it seems that for the first 6 years he was always learning a new scheme…but then look at the last two years…he was the 7th rated QB by QBR….he has a 70% completion rate in the redzone…

          • KCMikeG

            Sounds like a familiar story?? Cassel has had a revolving door at HC & OC. Watch Cassel go somewhere else and succeed.

        • Steve Blank

          exactly….and when a QB does that, not only does he look bad, he makes the O line look bad through sacks that shouldnt have happened, and stats that suck

      • Ron White

        In turnovers alone he will be a huge upgrade

      • Chiefswatch

        Or a recieving group or defense….

      • Steve Blank

        bullcrap…we averaged nearly what they did on the ground…in fact finished 5 to their 4th in running….and that was without the threat of any kind of passing game…Cassel held the ball too long many many times and then threw it to the D or fumbled….our line is fine..and will be better next year…we started two rookies for a huge chunk as well….

    • Doug McD

      FYI – Tom Brady was a compensatory 6th round pick.

    • KC65TPT

      Thank You

    • Jarad

      Agree with that logic. Im not a Landry Jones fan at all, but I think KC owes their core players the chance to win now. And while that happens ,develop that QB of the future. 2 2nd rounders on a win now QB can be steep, but picking a project #1 is foolish.

      • Derek

        They NEED desperately to do both. Smith vs smith would make every chiefs fan happy. Win now then win for the next decade and then can focus on defensive drafts in the middle to late rounds and franchise Albert and give bowe the long-term deal. That’s the way you win in the new passing league.

        • Jarad

          That would be a great scenario

    • Chris Tarrants

      fyi Geno isn’t a running qb!

    • Joe Myers

      you need to get real if you dont think geno will be a good QB your wrong . And you know the raiders chiefs game always close .

    • Scott Mahurin

      Spoken like a true died in the wool, used to losing, koolaide swilling, Chef’s fan. I can’t get behind this trade. If Geno was in last year’s draft he would have been in the first round. As he will be this year. It’s really gonna suck when the Raiders whip our ass with him. Too bad the Chef’s can’t get over Blackledge.

      • Jim Harper

        What is a Chef’s fan? Is it a culinary school of some sort?

        • ladner morse

          Chiefs CHEF fan defined: … one who makes the best tailgating BBQ ever!!!

    • micah stephenson

      If the Raiders get geno, the Chiefs will b the new Raiders(meaning chiefs will finish last in the afc west every yr till they grow some ball and draft a franchise QB)

    • Chiefswatch

      Haha god this site is full of pussies.

    • superman_25_58

      If you compare Geno Smith’s career stats with this years and last yrs Qb prospects and Geno Smith beats them all, yes even Luck and RG3 so what your point? The point is if he fails he fails at least this dumbass organization would have taken a chance on a young Qb with a ton more upside than a 30 year old resemblance of Matt Cassel. You have no Idea if this kid will bust or not and considering WVU really only had two Great players “besides himself” on the team Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Geno Smith looked pretty Damn good and accurate to me. The rest of the team besides these three, looked like players just coming out of High School! So I would say Geno doing what he did (42TD/6INT) with a school with only 3 talented players on the squad (including himself” was pretty amazing.I mean Jesus the Damn D gave up 38 PPG! No Qb, HOF nor current would have a better record “might have same, but not better”,than Geno this year with the team he had to work with. Plain and simple the man is very very accurate “Like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Flacco, Wilson, RG3, Luck, etc” with his throws and is a film rat always looking to get better, and IMO that’s something that you just can’t teach…………you either have it or you don’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tcoen1 Tony Coen

    Well said! I hate this trade! Geno will be better. KC will regret this trade.

    • ladner morse

      I’m not saying Geno will be better for sure… but, it’s a different risk that I think would be good for the Chiefs organization. For instance… if Alex Smith is not good next year… his days are numbered. If Geno Smith is no good next year… he gets more chances… and with those chances… come greater and greater opportunities to succeed. I wish those opportunities to succeed were going o come with the Chiefs.

  • Trent Taylor

    Thank Scott Pioli for leaving them in this situation. I’m tired of the negativity that the fanbase continues to surround this franchise with. With Pioli it was deserved. Back off of Hunt, Reid and Dorsey. Until you see them turning in consecutive seasons of disaster and debacles like we witnessed last season keep your pitchfork and torch in the shed.

    • ladner morse

      “Until you see them turning in consecutive seasons of disaster and
      debacles like we witnessed last season keep your pitchfork and torch in
      the shed.”

      You know.. you’re right… maybe I’ll learn some day. The problem is… I’m old… and running out of days. I love my Chiefs and want them to win now.

      • KCMikeG

        I’m getting older and struggling too Ladner, which is not a good sign this early in the season from a couple of the lost optimistic guys around these parts. My daughter is 28 (only 7 & not big into FB yet in ’93) and my sons are 15 & 8 and they have never seen a playoff win. I struggle to keep them inspired fans at times which saddens me they haven’t been a part of the highs we have experienced. Say what you want about the 2010 season – easy schedule, Cassel still sucked, playoff collapse, whatever – it still breathed some desperately needed wind into our sails. As we approach my SECOND 21 year run w/o a playoff win I am starting to worry that we may even exceed the 1969-1991 drought.

        On a happier note – I saw Vernon Davis interviewed today and he was talking AS up, saying he got emotional when he heard AS was leaving. Said he saw a huge change in him on the field when Harbaugh took over and that he thinks he was treated unfairly by SF. It gave me some hope – hope it works for you.

        On a completely off topic note – I know you are a music teacher so I was wondering if you had watched “Here Comes the Boom”? I thought it was one of the best movies I have ever seen. Funny with so many messages about choices and life. Laughed, cried and cheered through it as much the 2nd time as the 1st. I would highly recommend it to all as a pleasant diversion from our real world. So what say you “Fonzie”?

        • ladner morse

          Wow Michael… thanks for sharing that… the feelings that players have for each other tells you a lot about who they really are.

          I don’t know anything about the real Alex Smith — so it’s good to get a different perspective…. really… thank you for sharing.

          BTW… I write music… and I am a teacher… but… not a music teacher. :) Many assume this… .sorry I haven’t seen the show you’re talking about but will look it up. :)

          • Steve Blank

            AS is an awesome person by all accounts…he graduated early from school, does tons of community/charity work…and was a great role model for Colin K. when he lost his job to injury. This man can only make our Chiefs better. Consider this…if we would have used that pick on a rookie…we couldnt be sure we would get better…with this move we can most assuredly say, provided he plays like he has for the last two years, that we have gotten better already..

          • ladner morse

            “provided he plays like he has for the last two years”…. at least your honest… because that is my point… we can’t be sure AT ALL that Smith will perform the way has … the past two years… behind a great roster and a great coach…… when he’s with the Chiefs. History says it’s not very likely. Brees and who else has made the team switch and been highly successful? Please… begin listing the successes. I can’t find that list.

          • Jarad

            I think the realistic fan just wants the team to be successful. Highly successful is something to build towards. QBs like Trent Green , Rich Gannon, Cutler, Kurt Warner, Even Peyton Manning have been traded away or let go and went on to make their next team better.

          • ladner morse

            Brees, Gannon, and Warner… you just listed the sum total (3) of all the NFL QBs who have ever changed clubs and helped their team to a Super Bowl. When speaking of players like Cutler or Trent Green… they have had nice runs… but I’m sure the Chicago faithful are still hoping he can lead them to the promised land — it just hasn’t happened yet. I would not place players like Montana or Peyton who are 2-3 year hired guns getting ready to fade into the sunset in the franchise category. The definition of a franchise QB should include more than 3 years of service. Right?

            Can Alex Smith lead the Chiefs to the Super Bowl? That would be a big maybe. Do I hope he does? Absolutely.

            I’m just trying to be realistic and point out the patterns in the NFL game that say his chances are steep at best.

          • Jarad

            I totally agree with what you’re saying. The Chiefs need a franchise QB s they can be a perennial contender. My logic is just that winning games is of the utmost importance for a frustrated fan base. And for me being 30 years old, the Montana & Trent Green teams were some of the most entertaining Chiefs teams to watch because they were winning. They didnt end the way we all wanted, but Sundays werent always depressing. Even the lightening in a bottle 2010 was a much needed adrenaline shot for this Chiefs fan. Superbowls are hard to come by and most of the time, these QBs being drafted need time to succeed at a high level. So at least Alex Smith improves the Chiefs chances of winning until that franchise QB is ready. He doesnt HAVE to be drafted early

          • superman_25_58

            The Browns will win a Super Bowl in the future before the Chiefs

          • Jarad

            Ok

          • http://www.facebook.com/iammevictor Victor Hirst

            I’ll take that bet. How about Jacksonville? Throwing a perennially crappy team out there with no reasoning or facts with it is asinine.

          • superman_25_58

            How are they crappy when they beat us? They have a lot of good young talent and just need a few more pieces to be very competitive. The Browns are also not afraid to take risks in order to make their franchise potentially better sooner rather than later.

          • superman_25_58

            Alex Smith is no where on any of these Qb’s levels

          • Jarad

            I never said he was. Just stating that a quarterback can leave a team go to a new one, and be successful

      • Steve Blank

        lol..im old too…that is no excuse for pessimism…in fact, you should concentrate on being optimistic for the rest of your life…its less stressful to find silver linings

        • ladner morse

          My point about mentioning that I’m older is simply that… I may have a broader perspective and see the bigger picture because I’ve been around longer… so let’s try something, anything, different. Or.. try this one…it’s late in the football game, late in the 4th quarter, and you’ve been trying to win by using the same game plan for 40+ years… don’t you at least want to see what a different approach will lead to… before the game ends? I would.

    • toperspective

      This has been a ridiculously patient fan base. They have a right to be negative. Last payoff win = 1993.

    • Chiefswatch

      Boohoo. Stop picking on the millionaires, especially with your logic and common sense arguments…..Pathetic man. I bet you took every beating you got with your head down between your legs. Ladner makes the best fucking argument to date as to why this trade is really just shit and should have never been made. Even if Alex goes on to be awesome it will still not excuse this trade because not taking miracles into account it just fucking sucks. It is Cassel 2.0 and we are not a better team than San Fran. Hell I am not sure we can be a better team than San Fran so how the hell are we supposed to make it anywhere with their cast off. Face it bro new GMs suck. “Until you see them turning in consecutive seasons..” HAHAHAHA Yea let’s all just be content following a team for a decade of losing. Then what? They get fired and we should be patient again? See the problem Trent? Man up

      • Steve Blank

        dude you are stupid….just take the time to compare Cassels last two years to Smiths last two years…that in itself is ENOUGH

        • ladner morse

          I really believe Alex Smith’s success will depend more upon the other moves Reid and Dorsey make with the Chiefs offensive line… moves that must be made… so… we’ll see. We ALL certainly WANT Smith to be successful. It’s just doesn’t seem likely to me…. unless those other moves are made.

        • superman_25_58

          Smith’s last two years ———-> Harbaugh
          Cassels last two————–> Haley, Crennel, Dabol
          Yup last two season’s compared and final results are………. Alex had the upper hand with stability in coaching staff and a dominate Team!

      • Trent Taylor

        What’s this have to do with me manning up? Or the personal attack? You don’t kno me Mr. internet tough guy. I’m here to talk football. Not to be a prick, such as yourself. Your little rantmade no sense, had no valid points and was contradictory. Do better next time.

  • Jarad

    I dont like what the Chiefs gave up to get Alex, but Im not sure taking a project QB #1 overall is a smart move either. I think Alex gives The Chiefs the best chance to win THIS year. And with the core of this team (Charles, Hali, DJ, Flowers, Bowe) in their prime, i think its worth a shot to bring in a win now QB and hoprfully draft that project in the late 3rd or 4th round.

    • ladner morse

      Well, I have to agree that Alex Smith is probably the only … “win-now” QB available this off season.

      Yep.. good point.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      He may be the best “WIN-NOW” QB as you put it…. but… is he really going to be able to win with the Chiefs? He did well the past two years with superior S.F. roster… but this is not your 49er’s roster.

      • Jarad

        His knock is throwing deep and can struggle outside the #’s. The WCO consists of quick. Accurate passes. He is sn accurate QB, and what i think is most important, Charles will be receiving a lot of those passes. So yes, i think he can win with the Chiefs. But let me be clear, he def wasnt what i hoped for following the 2012 – 2013 season, but hes the best chance to win this year. Isn’t that what everyone cried about? Wanting to win.

        • micah stephenson

          A QB that struggles to throw deep or outside the numbers is the worst kind of QB!!!

    • micah stephenson

      Alex Smith will not win us a superbowl. Project QBs taken in the mid/later rounds do not win superbowls(except brady).

      • Jarad

        First of all, Brady is not the only one. About 1 of every 3 Superbowls is won by a QB drafted in the 3rd or later. And those those that are drafted high and WIN are worthy of that pick. Drafting a QB with the #1 pick doesn’t mean he’ll produce like one. You’re telling me they should reach on a QB in the 1st round because they succeed when at the same time youre bashing Alex Smith who by the way was drafted #1 overall.???

  • Trent Taylor

    Andy Reid is not done restocking the qb stable. He will get us a developmental qb of the future. Be it this year or next, it will happen. Alex helps us to be competitive now, instead of bottom feeding for two more years with a rookie who isnt ready to step on the field.

    • ladner morse

      What is it about Alex Smith that makes you think he is an up grade over Matt Cassel?

      • Trent Taylor

        Andy Reid

        • ladner morse

          So, you trust Reid to make Alex Smith better… but, not Mat Cassel?

          • Trent Taylor

            I trust that the entire team will be better, Laddie.

          • armychiefj

            Then why not keep Cassel instead of Smith?

          • Trent Taylor

            Because coaching cannot help Cassel. He is what he is. If you can stomach another season with him, you’re a better man than most.

          • KCMikeG

            Too late for that now. The only thing that could make Geno going to the faiders and succeeding and AS failing in KC worse would Cassel going to the Cards and succeeding. Ugh! Talk about worst case scenario.

          • Ron White

            Our worst nightmare….Scary

          • Ron White

            See above post

          • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

            How can you just say “I trust that the entire team will be better”…. Why did the Eagles go from Dream Team two years ago… to a 4-12 miserable mess in 2012?”

          • VA Raider Hater

            I believe mat and alex both could perform at an acceptable level within reids offense. Both have excelled at the west coast style offense. at this point though, as a fan since the 80′s I would love to develop a QB from the draft, not a retread.

          • KCMikeG

            That’s where I am. We already have Matt for less than what AS is due PLUS a #2 AND a #2-#3 next year PLUS the $3M we still have to pay Cassel after we cut him. AS HAS to produce this year or the walls will come tumbling down making last year look like a picnic in the park.

        • Tyler Alexander

          How did it work out for Andy with his last overrated vet QB Vick. That’s right… he was fired. This is f’ing dejà vu all over again.

          • Trent Taylor

            Yes he was fired. But after15 mostly successful years. That’s a long time to be in one place. We could only hope to have a head coach that has enough success to last here 15 years.

      • Ron White

        Here is why I think Aliex is a huge upgrade…..

        2012
        Rating TD Int Fumbles
        Smith 104.1% 13 5 1
        Cassel 66.7% 6 12 7

        2011
        Smith 90.7% 17 5 2
        Cassel 76.6% 10 9 2

        Smith was one of the best and Cassel was the worst in 2012. Smith top tier and Cassel bottom tier in 2011.
        Smith first place in Division + Championship game in 2011 and First place in Division before getting injured.
        Cassel LAST place in Division and LAST place in NFL

        Plus Alex Smith led all the QB’s in Yards per Attempt @ 8.0

        If you look at career not much difference but the last two years are night and day. I don’t see him forgetting everything he has learned from Harbaugh when he shows up. Even if he regresses he is a huge upgrade. Does not say he is a superstar it just says how bad it really was here. Although if he can continue the trend of the last two years we might even smile again at the games.

  • calciomoti

    First, “OMG… or LOL… or is there new abbreviated text word for “HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE?””

    Yes, it’s abbreviated as “WTF”…

    Second, I think what we gave up was too much, I truly hope Alex Smith excels, and I truly feel that Andy Reid will bring in another qb in the draft, because Dorsey builds in the draft. I just wish that we would have traded the farm last year for rgiii, or draft a qb in the first round…so we can all stop talking about how kc cannot draft it’s own qb.

    • ladner morse

      WTF… okay. Got it!

  • Arrowhead Magic

    And here I was hoping that we would finally get a franchise qb that we drafted ourselves. Looks like that isn’t happening anytime soon.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      What do you think of Tyler Wilson? I have thought he could be a franchise QB for a long time. Now, they say his hands are too small… but, I think that’s a bunch of bull. I’ve seen him make all the throws….. let me know what you think.

      • KCMikeG

        Small hands cursed Dave Kreig even though he was a good QB.

        • ladner morse

          I liked David Kreig but… I’m not sure what you mean about his small hands cursing him. Did he fumble a lot… or am I just not remembering that?

          • Danny W

            Small hands means bad quarterbacking. There are tons of stats out there to prove it honestly you could do an entire article on it.

    • micah stephenson

      Yea Right!!! You have a better chance at geting struck by lighting and mauled by a polar bear in the same day! Lol

  • jhuston85

    Are u ppl actually fans of this organization. Have some faith…obviously u guys dont realize the market for qbs. The fact that our defense is getting older verifies this trade evenmore…you think they wanna wait on geno to develop? Trust in Andy..this isnt the edwards..haley…crennel era…we actually got a coach now and if hr believes then we all have to believe. If you dont like it the Raiders could always use a few more fans. long time reader first post…good work guys but all the snarky bullshit must stop…no wonder we cant get big name FA half thid fan base doesn’t deserve a winner…smh…

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      “Trust in Andy” ??? omg… are you one of those who blindly “trusted in Pioli” … and now you are just chaning you mantra to “Andy” ???

    • armychiefj

      Yes, blind acceptance of the same moves that have failed in the past = true fan.
      Coach: Yeah its Reid, who I keep hearing is a proven winner who is a wunderkind for QBs. Except the evidence doesn’t show it. Vick was good before Reid. Kolb wasn’t very good, and Foles doesn’t look like anything special. The only QB he had success with was McNabb and the only coach McNabb had success with was Reid. Who was responsible for the success? No one can say for certain, but this isn’t 2000 and McNabb isn’t on the roster. Reid finished 4-12 last year, two wins better than the chiefs with a supposedly “Dream Team” (remember that phrase two years ago?) Never liked that hire either. He might improve the chiefs but not that much.
      QB: The simple point most of us have is that it would be better from the fans perspective if we fail with a rookie than with another castoff QB that we overpaid for. Clearly, Hunt isn’t thinking this through. He (and Reid and Dorsey) has alienated half his fan base. Not everyone loved Geno (I’m not a huge fan myself) but I’m pretty sure half the fan base wouldn’t have revolted as they have over Alex.

      • Jarad

        If you make moves based on fans perspective, you should never be a coach or gm. Fans complain about losing teams and when the best option to win this year is brought in, they complain more.

    • micah stephenson

      If the Raiders draft Geno Smith they will have ALOT more fans! While the Chiefs will keep pimp smackin they fans in the mouth by trading picks for back up QBs and trying to make them starters.

    • Danny W

      I trust everybody man you can come to my house and hang out with out me even there!

  • Norman Gunn

    Would love to see a Landry or Manuel drafted in the 3rd. I will then be happy with the quarterback improvements.

    • ladner morse

      I’d be excited if they pick up any other QBs in this draft. Manuel and Wilson would be at the top of my list.

      • Jarad

        If the Chiefs are thinking later on, id like to see what Tyler Bray has. And with this Alex trade, I’ll actually really like it if they already have a trade lined up to move back from #1 and get a 2nd back. Milliner is my preference, if FA isnt the option for CB

        • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

          Nice post! That would be my FIRST CHOICE… to trade back and pick up more picks…. the trick will be to find a club who is crazy in love with a top pick…. if the Chiefs can find THAT club… we’ll be cooking. Here’s hoping. BTW… I’m a big Milliner fan too… and now that this Alex Smith affair is wrapped up… I think I’d like to see the Chiefs take him 1st overall….. even more than getting Joeckel!

          • Jarad

            I agree. Ive been saying that outside of QB, that 2nd corner is huge! And he seems to be one of the few sure things in this draft. But Free Agency will answer a lot. There are some quality corners available

          • Steve Blank

            yes…our oline is solid in my opinion…

        • ladner morse

          I like Tyler Bray too… but, have heard he’s not very personally disciplined.

          • http://twitter.com/Syn82 Syn

            That’s why you get someone like Alex to hold the reigns while Bray grows up

          • ladner morse

            Yea… but doesn’t it bother you at all that A.S. was the one holding the clipboard before he left SF?

          • Ron White

            Not really since there were not any starting QB’s available. Smith would have been the starter on several teams including ours.

          • Jarad

            Ah, i havent heard a ton on him. Just what ive seen/read over the past week or so. Seemed to have the tools and could be available ltr. Thx

        • Steve Blank

          me too… Bray has a rocket arm…to trade back and still get milliner would be a great move

      • KCMikeG

        Nothing is guaranteed. Why couldn’t we do what Seattle did last year? After bringing in their FA QB of the future they still drafted Wilson, who I heard NO ONE say had a chance of starting. Same thing happened with AS in SF didn’t it? SF gives him a 3 year $22M contract and draft CK still. So WHY can’t we still draft Geno and let him compete? At least we could get Manuel right? Or Foles??

        • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

          Michael… I’m fairly new to AA… what do you think the odds are that the Chiefs will draft a QB with ANY of their picks this year? It’s hard for me to imagine.

          • KCMikeG

            I read A LOT and there seems to be some thought that we will draft a mid round QB to develop. I have dreams of us going on the cutting edge like the Skins and the Seachickens last year in our approach to the QB position by taking Geno still – alas I know they are only dreams though. We could benefit from getting EJ Manuel in the 3rd or 4th round or I like Matt Scott in the 4th or 5th but his stock is rising faster then EJ’s so it is possible they are both gone by our #3. I believe our best car scenario would be to trade back our #1 pick to replace our #2.

          • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

            Yes… from what I see of EJ Manuel… I’d like it if the Chiefs could get him. He’d kind of be like a poor man’s Geno…. an I like Geno.

          • KCMikeG

            Check out Matt Scott from Arizona. He was Foles back up and really impressed last year on a really crappy team, is a dual threat and looked good in the East-West Shine game & the Combine.

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620412/matt-scott

          • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

            Thanks Michael. I’ve never heard of him. I’ll check him out.

          • Derek

            Lol all the quarterbacks looked horrible at the east west game aside from Manuel so poor point. That said I’ve been saying this for months I want Matt Scott if we can’t get geno or eh first otherwise I am curious about dysert and even Collin Klein but both of them I see going infrared or really far down so could be the diamond in the rough kc fans dream about. But really the best case for us fans and for this organization not being fed to the wolves is draft geno number one still and let the smiths turn kc into a true qb competition that every football fan would be excited for

          • Derek

            Oh one more thing: Scott has arm talent, he’s a winner, exciting as a dual-threat with good size BUT he’s not a starting QB. He was a system qb who didn’t run the offense. If you watched the east west game he couldn’t get a single play in without having to call time-out or running back and forth to the side-lines. A true project but A LOT of upside so if he was there in the fourth I’d take him but it’s hard to imagine he’ll still be there.

          • KCMikeG

            LOL. Reality check on your “poor point” comment. Scott was given 15 snaps in Saturday’s showcase game for college seniors and completed three of four passes for 81 yards, including a 57-yard touchdown pass to Mississippi State’s Chad Bumphis. How “terrible”. Even more LOL and a pathetically “poor point” is Manuel didn’t even play in the East West Shrine game! Did you even watch the game? Try the Senior Bowl and try knowing what you’re talking about before criticizing. LOL.

          • Derek

            All of then played at the east west game. Not senior bowl

          • KCMikeG

            Look it up. Manuel = Senior Bowl. Scott = East West Shrine Game. Stop embarrassing yourself.

          • Derek

            as I recall I watched both and either way not a single qb looked worth a draft in the first three rounds. I say tanney had more upside. Manuel did look great but his overall career is not enough for me to get exited for a first round or even second but a third I might gamble pn him. Geno is the only player worth taking number one to develop. Read the scouring report inconsistent footwork is his only knock seems pretty easy to correct with a season as a back-up especially if he knew he had a shot to be the starter he will bust his ass. The only other thing I can get excited for is if miliner goes to us that we get a few high round picks next year. Alex smith is not the answer and was never going to be.

          • KCMikeG

            Now you’re cooking! I agree that Geno is the only QB worthy of a #1 although I like Manuel in the 3rd or 4th to develop/trade. Who knows with the way they are being so fantastically aggressive in FA maybe they will take Geno with our #1? Think about it. If they sign Canty or Avril with the resigning of Jackson then DL is off the list. We have already signed our starting WR & LT. Even if Geno is a “reach” at #1 certainly not any more of one than a G (Wormack) or a back up OT (Joeckel/Fisher) or a SS (Vaccaro). Can you image how happy Chief’s Kingdom would be if they did take Geno? Smith & Smith – Stanzi & Tanney. Wow! Some real depth at the most important position on the team. Let the competition begin!

          • Derek

            Speaking of receiver, what’s the deal with Gilyard? I saw his combine results he’s definitely an athlete but is he going to be a starting receiver for us? If so, what’s the deal with Baldwin; is he ever going to step-up and be somebody? Also, if all of that happens I will be super pumped and a believer once again. Still think we need to see about a CB in the third….any news about the younger Trufant or Rhodes making it down the list that far?

          • KCMikeG

            Baldwin has me completely perplexed. He was a beast in camp and never showed up on the field during the games. Was it the coaching, the cluster of an offensive scheme, our terrible QB play or is it just that he can’t make it in the NFL? I do know that it is not unusual for a player to take 2-3 years to develop and his 1st year was a nightmare with no offseason for rookies, the new more gentle truing camp, Jones breaking his thumb and the chaos with Haley. This year will be his make or break year. I am excited about our young group of WR’s too. I was at camp and liked what I saw from Newsome and Bellamy. I don’t know anything about Gilyard and Shoemaker who the new regime has brought in already. With Hemingway and Wylie healthy and any talent added through FA or the draft we should have an exciting – dare I say – high scoring offense.

            CB is our biggest need -period. With the aggressive passing attacks and the caliber of QB’s we will face we have to have someone as good or better than Flowers. I would like to see us get someone bigger ( 6′+ and 190-200#’s) that can jam a WR at the line and match up to the Megatron/Andre Johnson beast size WR’s. Xavier Rhodes is exactly what I would like but he is looking like a late 1st or early 2nd round pick so he won’t work unless we trade back or add a #2 pick. The same is true of Trufant & Poyer. I like rounds 3-5 options like Amerson, Wrey-Wilson, Ryan, Hawthorne and Alford even though he is a little smaller than I think we need as he plays bigger. I’m beginning to think that we would be better served filling the need in FA with bigger CB’s like Sean Smith (MIA), Cary William (BAL) & Greg Toler (AZ).

          • Derek

            Oh and are you saying the texas’s Kenny Vaccaro at number 1?! I had never even heard of that possibility. Didn’t realize he was even in the first round talks lol.

          • KCMikeG

            He is in the 15-20 range but is rising into the 9-10 spots in some mocks. What we get done in FA over the next few weeks will solidify our draft needs.

          • ladner morse

            I’m in favor of Geno #1 still. Then the organization has depth where their once was dearth. Is this now my first overall choice now that they have Alex S? No. I’ve been saying for some time now that the second greatest need on this team is a strong CB. Could the Chiefs get one in the third or later. That’s iffy. Could the Chiefs get a good one in Free Agency? That’s more likely. Then the question is… is Milliner worthy of the first overall selection. He’s the best CB in this draft. He’s the best player on the best team in college ball. I’d sat yes.

            However, all of this is dependent upon what happens with Bowe and Albert tomorrow (Monday). I’d sure prefer Bowe to get a contract… Albert to get tagged… and for the Chiefs to move on from the idea of taking Joeckel first overall. I think that’s taking a step backwards just to suit a financial pinch. Release Jackson and Cassel — their 1st and 4th biggest payroll players of 2013 and make these other moves. Anything less will be taking 2 steps backwards to move 1 forward.

          • KCMikeG

            With the changed emphasis on the passing game we have to be more aggressive in filling the QB roster with more than just one guy who can hopefully make it happen otherwise we are SOL if we have to go to our back up.

          • Ron White

            100%

        • micah stephenson

          The only way we still draft Geno is if we pick him with the 1st pick becus he will b drafted in the top 5.

          • KCMikeG

            IMO Jags and the faiders, even though they have concerns at QB, have much more pressing needs. If we could trade with the Eagles at #4 it could still happen. They want Joeckel. It would be the frosting on the cake if we could get Geno AND a replacement #2. We could get Xavier Rhodes, Trufant, Poyer to take care of our other major need at CB.

          • Derek

            Only in fantasy island would that trade work-out that way for us but MAN OH MAN would I be the happiest an we’d finally have our version of a “dream team” again wishful thinking. Let’s face it, we’re the Chiefs we don’t get lucky EVER when it comes to the draft.

  • go chiefs

    omg shut the f up f’n babies sorry ur life is so shitty this is all u do. is cry and nag wtf f’n vagina’s

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      Must be either wihsky or beer tonight… you know that stuff attacks all the organs equally… not just the liver…. I can tell it’s working on the brain tonight.

      • KCMikeG

        Big talk = little ??

        • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

          GOOD ONE!

        • Danny W

          hands????:-)

    • chiefridgy

      I love how all you tough guys come on here talking trash but won’t even use your real name.

      • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

        So right… only SOME of us actually DO use our real names. :)

    • Danny W

      Cool comment buddy. You’ve got so much more to do than to read this, so take a hike.

  • Larry Devore

    If they can’t control a rookie QB in their own stadium, then they have bigger problems to solve

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      Excellent point. You’re right.

    • ladner morse

      True… but…. if the Chiefs take Milliner #1… which I’m hoping for now…. Geno shouldn’t hurt us even if he does end up with Oakland.

  • d-block

    After I heard about this last night I cried myself to sleep. I already want Reid’s head on a stick.

    • ladner morse

      “We don’t cry in football.”

      If I can come around… I hope you can too. I was not too happy about this at first either… but check out some comments below… like Michael Goodings comments.. .and you may have another perspective.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      Everything is going to be alright… how do I know???… because if you weren’t still crying when you woke up……. then there’s hope.

      • Danny W

        Okay is this a joke? Have you worked for a suicide hotline or something? I’m laughing so hard I’m crying myself (seriously). I’m sorry but holy crap. Were consoling a guy about our football teams qb. It’s not you I’m laughing at it’s the situation.

    • Danny W

      This comment sounded pretty serious. You didn’t really cry about this right? If so you have some serious anger issues brother. I mean I’m not happy about it and am pissed but not so emotional I’m crying all night.

    • d-block

      Sarcasm people.

  • Chelsii.

    First of I don’t get your age analogy Smith one year from now will be a year younger than Cassel this year? Why not say there is two years difference? I realize that Cassel and Smith have similar career stats but lets just look at the facts. Cassel had his good years with Belichick coaching him and one with Weis. Don’t forget he rushed back after his appendectomy as well. Guy gave a lot. Last year he stunk no doubt. Just saying he has ability. Now Alex Smiths best two years have been with Harbaugh and Greg Roman. Now Alex Smith has had some bad years but now guess have Andy Reid and he’s got a decent track record making just a few conference championships. I think he’s earned the right to be trusted. And another difference between Cassel and Smith….despite his age Smith has a lot of football experience. Lets not forget he 20+ win with one loss football career. And Genos not making us that much younger. While Alex Smith turns 29 this year the year after that after after that after that after that after that Geno will be 28 and just a year younger than Mr. Smith this year.

    • ladner morse

      I’m was merely pointing out that Smith will be 30 next year in May…. and comparing that to Cassel’s age……

      BTW.. it doesn’t sound like it but, I think the world of Cassel — the person. He is just a very inconsistent QB.

      I’m going to give Alex Smith a chance of course… I wasn’t originally in love with this choice for the organization.

      • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

        Who cares if Alex Smith turns 30 next year or when ever!!! His resume is pretty damn good and he’s progressed well … PLUS he’s got to come in with a chip on his shoulder… and you have to KNOW he’s going to be a better QB because of his connection to Reid. Yes… I love Geno and his upside… but… Smith is going to help the Chiefs T-H-I-S Y-E-A-R…… bank on it.

        • Justin R Groth

          The thing is if he is already thirty odds are that he isn’t going to get much better if at all. as for progress ing well I disagree he was horrid for all but 1.5 years of hiss career. As for hos resume Mark Sanchez resume looks better on paper however I wouldn’t want him either.

  • Paul Archambault

    Seriously????? When we fired Gunther and brought in Vermeil and Green I think people were down on the QB move then. As a season ticket holder and a CHIEFS fan, enough with the negativity!

    • Andy

      Greta point. Green was even given the nickname Tr-INT.

  • ryanw

    This story sucks and so do all these fly by night crybaby fans of this team that I’ve faithfully followed for so many years. Running pioli and his gang of outcasts was amazing but in less then six months we got more of you douche bags crying already and bitchin comparing alex smiths stats to cassel but let’s really look at this over the last two season smith has out played most of the top tier qbs in the league.nfc championship then another great start of a seson till an unfortunate injury.then you wanna call him a backup he was the starter colin happened to be the fluke happening but smith to deserved to get his job back but lucky for us cause it will have worked out for all of us and mark my words when we start winning all you crybabies will be on alex smiths nuts and you will buy his jerseys and cheer for him.think about that before you try running all these guys out of town the same guys you all were so happy to see come to KC just weeks ago

    • Danny W

      How long have you been a fan?

      • ryanw

        32 years a fan there’s always up and downs but this is sports we can’t expect to run Everyone out of town getting pioli out of here was magical a once and a lifetime thing let’s see what happens before grabbing our pitchforks

        • Danny W

          I agree there is some knee jerking going on about throwing out the regime already but this isn’t the start most fans expected. Free agency could be pretty fruitful so we will have to see. I say give them this year. Hopefully if Alex Smith is a sinking ship then the new regime won’t ride it down like Pioli did with Cassel.

          • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

            Danny… a lot of fans are knee jerking right now… there must be a good reason for it. I don’t get that kind of feeling from Laddie’s post… he may be overly dramatic but only to make his point. I think a lot of fans here might agree that Alex Smith could be a bigger risk than taking an unknown first round, first pick QB like Geno Smith. No one knows for sure. Obviously everyone seems to have a lot of feelings about the move — one way or the other.

          • Danny W

            In no way did I think Ladners article was knee jerk. There are some emotional people on here though that obviously are. I wanted Geno Smith along with most of them. It could still happen but it’s most likely not going to. My hope is that they hedge their bets in case this guy flops like a fish.

    • Andy

      I agree. This new regime is barely here a few months and you would think Pioli is still here. Read my other comments if you wish.

      • superman_25_58

        When they are making the same moves that Pioli’s dumbass self said he would make on NFL network…………… Than he might as well be here and Clark Hunt ate a contract for the same results. SMH

    • Justin R Groth

      First most true negativity I have seen has come from people complaining about complainers. Second I have been a fan for years also I have been called overly optimistic and an apologist and I have to say this move blows. I love my team but right now I feel towards the organization as I do an alcoholic family member, I love them but I REALLY disagree with the choices they are making. You say weaahould just look at the last two years of a man’s 7 year career? Ok fine when you thought about playing San Fran did you say oh no Alex Smith will destroy us? No you thought abouth their defense and stopping Gore. Bro my mom is a die hard 9ers fan I spent all of Alex’s career watching him play in a nonbiased fashion. I was impressed with what Jim did but not what Alex did. Ignore 5yearz of pathetic play for two years of decent play would be irresponsible. I’m upset not in a “knee jerk” reaction but a calm logical unbiased decision that shows we messed up with this we overplayed for already over valued damages goods.

  • Jim Harper

    Laddie I am shocked at your comments. I have always looked forward to your posts because they mirrored my own feelings so closely. The comparisons you make have been cherry picked to make your case. That disturbed me because I have never seen you do that before. These two QB’s could not be more different. Since you want to cherry pick then I will too. Year before last during the playoff game the niners had with the Saints Smith engineered two game winning drives with pin point passing and a little running as well. I truly bedlieve that we got a real winner in Alex Smith and by this time next year there will be a lot of people in KC eating crow. I have complete trust in Reid and Dorsey turn our fortunes around.

    • Andy

      Jim, you are so right. Uneducated people look at the numbers side by side and conclude we got Casell II. In Smiths first five years he had five different OC, no WR to speak of, and the brilliant offensive mind of Singelary. Your point of those drives for TD in a playoff game are never brought up.

      • Justin R Groth

        Sorry man but even the reasoning you have for him not doing good sound like the excuses we gave for cassels struggles. I want a QB other teams hate to play against not one I have to say well if he had ___ he would be great.

        • Guest

          They dont grow on trees. Its a tough tough year to need a QB

          • Justin R Groth

            We have the 1 st round draft pickk to get a kid that will be a threat for years. Instead we have a slightly better QB who will help us to a 7-9 win season for a couple of years. Also the whole there wasn’t a good enough qb to draft #1 is bull does Geno smith have issues yes does Barkley yes. You know who else had and still has issues Andrew Luck and RG3 you know why? Because Nobody comes into the NFL from college completely ready. If we draft Geno or Barkley maybe we have a slump of a season this year again maybe not however their at the FLOOR of thoer potential while Alex has played the best ball he will most likely.

      • ladner morse

        Andy… did you just call me uneducated?

        • Andy

          Uneducated, maybe not the best word. My apologies. How about cherry picker?? You cherry picked the stats to prove your point. Smith is in no way Casell. Smith does not look down receivers, hold the ball too long and Smith can go through more than one progression. Check out the web sites in my post above. Believe me, we will be more upset with Reids clock
          management and lack of adjustments at half time then this trade.

        • Jarad

          Thanks for interacting and making this a fun discussion. I enjoyed your point of view, when at first I didnt think I would. Ha. Keep it up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

        Why do you have to call someone “uneducated” when they have a difference of opinion from you. Do you really have that great a need to be right? Or… maybe there is some other reason. One of the reasons I prefer this web site is because fans here… for the most part.. .are respectful. I only ask the same of you. Morse has never come across as uneducated to me… so I’m guessing you don’ really follow his work.

        • Andy

          Please tell me what adjective to use when someone uses BASIC QB stats with two QB’s and says we have the same QB? Lazy? Maybe they have point of view that the facts won’t support. I’m just a shmo and found this

          So, in Smith’s final two starts, against two of the NFL’s better pass defenses, his performances looked like this:

          25 of 27, 92.6%, 304 yards, 11.3 YPA, 4 TD, 0 INT, 153.2 rating

          This is the link. Absolutly unbiased opinions here.
          http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/alex-smith-the-best-quarterback-who-ever-got-benched/21602/

          I follow the Eagles, (I’m from there) not as close as the Chiefs. Smith is the perfect QB for Reid. Reid loves a QB who has pinpoint accuracy short mid range passes. He wants his QB to see the receivers numbers before he throws, to cut down on turnovers.

          My bottom line is give the new leadership a chance. I don’t know if Smith will work out. But he deserves a chance. Both Reid and Dorsey HAVE built teams that have won year after year. Because of their successful past, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

          Here is another, rather depressing article about the KC Chiefs and their troubles drafting QBs

          http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/alex-over-geno-smith-kansas-city-chiefs-history-thrift-store-qbs/21613/

          • Jarad

            Not sure why you would call someone “uneducated” or “lazy” for having facts that back up his opinion. I never use to comment on these things because people spout off inappropriate and sometimes ignorant stuff, but Laddie and a few others have made it a fun discussion. That’s what it is for. I didnt agree with a lot of stuff on here, but that’s their opinions. If someone brings STATS or FACTS, thats even better! Definitely not uneducated!

    • ladner morse

      Sorry to disappoint you Jim. Really. I have also long appreciated your comments as well.

      If I have “cherry-picked” my comments… as you have said… can you come up with some facts or figures so as to show that Alex Smith is really significantly better than Matt Cassel? I can also come up with some game action from 2010 in which Cassel navigated game winning drives. However, neither of these QBs has won a big game that has led to a Super Bowl or a Super Bowl win.

      I hope Alex Smith is highly successful and would be glad to eat as much crow as anyone asks if that happens. However, I’m just trying to be realistic and I’m looking at history in the NFL. I don’t get the same feel for Alex Smith at all as I did for Drew Brees when Brees left San Diego. I actually hope I’m wrong. But, I’m also trying to point out that there is a precedence for the Chiefs following this path… and it hasn’t been a positive one. If questioning that path is being negative… it’s not me that I believe is negative… it’s the path. I’m just pointing it out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      I don’t think he cherry picked anything more than you have cherry picked the story about a couple little drives for Alex Smith at the end of season before last… which ultimately got them nowhere.

  • sidibeke

    I’m pretty PO’ed, too, because as you point out, at this point, it looks as if we won’t be drafting a QB in before Rd 3 if at all. So our backup is Quinn?

    I saw on ESPN the idea of drafting Milliner and re-signing Albert. That would make this trade easier to swallow for me. But if we squander a first on a LT that we already have and do nothing with the $ that frees up (such as sing Reevis or Wallace or something), I will be disappointed to say the least.

    And then it all goes out the window come camp and hope will spring eternal.

    • Steve Blank

      I like that scenrio of resigning albert and drafting the CB….no one is talking about the possibility of Alex Tanney being the back up. That kid was impressive at camp, and looked very good in the few plays in preseason. There must be a reason they put an undrafted rookie Division 3 4th string QB on IR, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.carboni.1 Andrew Carboni

    Honestly I’m starting to believe that Clark Hunt doesn’t care about winning a Superbowl at all, all he cares about is winning enough games to keep his fans clinging to the franchise and spending our hard earned cash on merchandise, single game or season tickets etc.. If the team wins 8, 9 or even 10 games maybe a playoff berth but loses in the playoffs then everyone keeps there jobs with no fear of being on the bubble, and as long as the team is decent enough to keep the fan base and flood money to Hunt himself, then he sees it as a win for himself, a productive season. Mediocre is our specialty, and rehash QB’s is our game. I’m a tired fan, I’m tired of seeing friends teams get better while we remain the same, I’m tired of my high hopes getting crushed with 2-14 seasons, I’m tired of our team never ever taking a chance on anyone playing the straight and narrow, I feel like I should be a free agent fan and choose a new team.

    • micah stephenson

      Amen Brotha! Every yr the Chiefs want to do just enuff to make you think mayby just mayby they might win this yr, so they can steal yo money. Im not spending another dolla on this team till they draft a franchise QB who is good!

    • Andy

      I would agree, except signing Reid was huge departure from the norm. I believe some actual football people are in charge now, and I am going to give them a chance to build a winner like they have done evry where they have been.

  • Chiefswatch

    There is no moving on from Hunt. What this means to me is that bullshit about the Coach and GM being on equal footing was a down right lie. This was all Dorsey. Terrific article bro, really. The only one so far to tell it like it is. Smith is if anything mildly better than Cassel which is not hard because Cassel is a turd. We will be stuck in shit town for three years and yes we will lose Tamba, Johnson and Jamaal in the mean time. I can deal with it though because the LA stadium should be around the corner and I will have a new team to watch. I do not think Clark is a dude I can respect as an owner.

  • Andy

    My Gosh, I’d say “the ink isn’t even dry yet, but…. What this trade does is give us a chance to win now while Reid finds his QB. No rush. There is no one who knows football that thinks the draft has a QB worth taking in the top of the draft. What are we to do, reach for one, just too say we did? My choice would have been Foles. My second choice was Smith, for a third rounder.
    But for gosh sakes, we have an actual head coach and Dorsey, both of whom deserve the time to bring in who they want. They deserve it because they have had success building winning teams…for the long haul. Quit knee jerking, Pioli is not in charge any more. Give this new regime a friking chance.

    • Justin R Groth

      Sorry what this drade did was give us a question mark at qb. which Alex are we getting the one that looked horrid for 5 seasons or the one who looked decent for 1.5 seasons? Was it Alex being good or Harbruagh simplifying the offense in a way that made Alex look good because now the pressure wasn’t on him to lead the team to wi. but to now not cost the team the win/ Until that question is answered then win my opinion we made a mistake. the same way I felt Seattle made a mistake last tear getting Fynn luckily they drafted Russel Wilson.

  • Priest4Prez

    Now that reality has struck again….we have Alex Smith!!! Ahhhh now I’m all pissed off again. Up, down, up, down I’m on an emotional roller coaster here! I’m going to hibernate until Spetember, maybe it’ll look better by then….

    • ladner morse

      Dude.. the GroundHog didn’t see his shadow… be sure and come out of hibernation in time for the draft….

  • ArrowFan

    I think that when comparing how good we will be this year to how good we where last year, the HC will effect it allot. Going into 2012 we where all very excited regarding the talent on our team. While I still think our 2012 roster was very talented on both sides of the ball, the results speak for themselves. However if we have a similar roster, talent wise in 2013 does that mean we should expect 2-14? Could be, but I think the HC had allot to do with our 2012 record. Not that Romeo wasn’t working hard because I know he was, he just isn’t the same HC as Reid. Now I do think we overpaid for A Smith. I am glad we have him but I still see no reason why we shouldn’t also draft a QB with our 1st pick or if we can. Trade down a few spots and pick a QB within the top 10 picks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

      Good post…….
      I go back and forth about the coaching thing…. because if Reid had not lost a lot last year… he would not have been available … so is his approach really better than Crennel’s. I’m in wait and see mode here.

  • ladner morse

    As our fearless Paddy has said… “Chiefs fans were so divided on what they thought Reid and Dorsey should do, there was going to be a sizable portion of them that were upset no matter what happened at the QB position.”

    While my position is equally unpopular as it is popular… and because we can all see there is a tremendous amount of opinion wrapped around this trade and QB selection process……….I would request that we keep our comments fair and please refrain from threats, profanity or name-calling. To disagree is human…. to disparage… is unkind.

    I love a lively discussion….. so let’s try to score our points — IN BOUNDS. Thanks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/baeticu.elena Balasa Elena-Violeta

    I agree… the comments here are usually insightful… been a load of super charged comments….
    Hope the peeps can chill……..

  • Andy

    Why not look for ways this is a positive trade. Stop the what if’s. No one can prove them now, Smith is a Chief, lets welcome him instead of what we are doing now. An excerpt from an article and the link.
    So, in Smith’s final two starts, against two of the NFL’s better pass defenses, his performances looked like this:

    25 of 27, 92.6%, 304 yards, 11.3 YPA, 4 TD, 0 INT, 153.2 rating

    This is the link. Absolutly unbiased opinions here.
    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/alex-smith-the-best-quarterback-who-ever-got-benched/21602/

    I follow the Eagles, (I’m from there) not as close as the Chiefs. Smith is the perfect QB for Reid. Reid loves a QB who has pinpoint accuracy short mid range passes. He wants his QB to see the receivers numbers before he throws, to cut down on turnovers. He loves the drop off pass to the RB. Charles will be amoung the leaders in total yardage. We will be frustrated by his clock management and the lack of adjustments made during half time, but Reid can make QBs better.

    My bottom line is give the new leadership a chance. I don’t know if Smith will work out. But he deserves a chance. Both Reid and Dorsey HAVE built teams that have won year after year. Because of their successful past, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

    Here is another, rather depressing article about the KC Chiefs and their troubles drafting QBs

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/alex-over-geno-smith-kansas-city-chiefs-history-thrift-store-qbs/21613/

    • ladner morse

      Excellent post.
      Now I feel negative about my negative post. Do two negatives make a positive?
      I sure hope so.
      Really dude… nice post! Thanks for the information. I’m sure many will enjoy it.

      • Andy

        That’s funny right there

    • Guest

      The first Article link called “Alex Smith: The Best QB Who Ever Get Benched”……. wouldn’t that be Steve Young? There were times when Montana was hurt… but, as soon as he came back… Young was back on the Bench.

      Then of course… there’s the time Montana came back from injury and he was benched and ultimately traded. So.. Montana would be the best answer.

  • Guest

    The first Article link called “Alex Smith: The Best QB Who Ever Get Benched”……. wouldn’t that be Steve Young? There were times when Montana was hurt… but, as soon as he came back… Young was back on the Bench.

    Then of course… there’s the time Montana came back from injury and he was benched and ultimately traded. So.. Montana would be the best answer the best answer.

  • kcchiefinlv

    I was curious about the author of this article so I read “About Ladner Morse”. I suggest everyone read it and pay particular attention to the very last statement.