Mock Wednesday? 2/10, learning from the Super Bowl edition.

by Chiefs

For those of you who woke up Monday morning, wide-eyed and bushy-tailed expecting for me to sprinkle you with wisdom from my mighty brain, I apologize. Here is my make-up exam. Because I know that so much of your daily life revolves around Mock Monday, so much so that even the slightest disappointments are met with the most creative insults you guys can manage (“You’re off your rocker, Crocker!!”).

Well, the kind of abuse I have to take from meanypants like you would scare off a lesser man. But I am a Mighty Blogger, and I seek validation so desperately that I will continue shoving every stupid idea I have into the blogosphere until the entire Internet loves and adores me. Which should be any day now.

Without further ado, here is every pick the Chiefs currently have (the numbers indicate the round in which they’re selecting), along with who I think the Chiefs should realistically select.

1. QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame
No, this pick is not as shocking if you’ve been keeping up with our discussions around here. But that’s not to say this pick isn’t still controversial. I have run into vehement disagreement from almost all of my co-bloggersman on AA, as well as virtually every reader who has weighed in on the subject.

You need to look no farther for my reasoning than from watching this year’s Super Bowl, the lessons of which were crystallized by AA’s post of the week from Jeremy, arguing that to succeed in the NFL in 2010, you must be able to pass the ball extremely well. Read it and be a smarter person.

There’s an adage in the NFL Draft: do not pass on a franchise QB unless you already have one. I would argue that there are two potential franchise QBs in this NFL Draft, and approximately zero on the Kansas City Chiefs roster. Cassel has not yet proven himself, occasional flashes do not a champion make. And we cannot succeed without a champion under center.

Of the two QBs to consider in the 1st round, there’s Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford and Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen. I personally believe that if Bradford dropped to us, he’s not worth the #5 overall. He’s not a franchise guy — he struggled at OU when he wasn’t protected by college football’s best offensive line (plus injury concerns!). But Jimmy Clausen had a spectacular season with decent (but not great) talent around him all year at Notre Dame. 20+ TDs with single-digit INTs? That’s a wow, folks.

Pioli has several reasons to go with Clausen (provided that SS Eric Berry is off the board). The biggest reason is Charlie freakin’ Weis. This is as rare and special an opportunity as you’re going to get in the NFL — when you bring in an offensive guru to run your offense, and possibly drop his nation-leading protege into his lap in the Draft. Think about that.

The potential of that fusion is nuclear, and there’s simply no way Pioli could have foreseen the possibilities of it when he signed Cassel long-term, which gives Pioli the cover he needs to make this selection if he were so inclined.

You must have the quarterback to win. Period. And if that’s the case, hedging our bets on the position (and dangling Cassel or Clausen out as trade bait if the other QB becomes a franchise talent) might not please us in the short-term, but as the Packers have shown us, nothing pays off more in the long-run.

The rest of my selections are after the jump.

2. OLB Ricky Sapp, Clemson
I’ve said time and again that this is an outstanding Draft for passrushers, and the Chiefs should utilize it by dropping at least a pair of picks on the position. I do that here, and I’ve done so in almost every Mock Monday I’ve posted.

Sapp is a ton of fun to watch, and while everybody agrees he needs a little weight on him, he’s such a perfect fit in the 3-4 it will be fan-frickin’-tastic if he falls to the top of the 2nd round. In any typical Draft, he wouldn’t. But this year, he’s competing no fewer than five guys who I think project as great pass-rushing talent — plus teams are pensive to take 3-4 OLBs in the first round because of the lousy conversion rate.

Sapp is an outstandingly athletic passrusher whose sheer ability to turn the corner, zip around blockers, and embarrass even exaggerated pass protections is matched only by his Jared Allen-like pursuit. Like all passrushing OLBs, he needs to improve on his run defense. But the Chiefs need someone to get to the QB.

2. FS Nate Allen, South Florida
I extensively broke down the Draft’s safety talent here on AA last week. One of the most promising players who could drop the most would be Nate Allen, who I think is a great free safety prospect with top-o’-the-2nd type ability, but will drop because of the South Florida stigma. Nate Allen offers us the speed and baiting ability that we’ve been desperately needing at free safety — possibly as much as any position on this team except for center.

3. NT Terrell Troup, Central Florida
Well while I’m promoting AA’s scouting department, allow me to highlight another post where I broke down the available Draft talent at nose tackle. In that breakdown, I wrote the following about Terrell Troup: “Ladies and gentlemen, here is your Kansas City Chiefs’ third round pick.” I believe it. Everything in me tells me that Pioli loves this guy’s potential, Crennel loves this guy’s size, and and Haley loves this guy’s dedication. A work in progress, Troup lives to stuff the run, and he could be a block of granite in the middle of our line in a couple of years.

4. C Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
Hey at this point there’s not a lot to choose from, and the first four picks were of such strong value I’m not going to Draft for need. Center is going to be a tricky position to address anyway. It always is. But with Weis on board and this team’s propensity to stay within the family, Olsen makes perfect sense as a fourth rounder. He looked awfully rough at the Senior Bowl, but played very well throughout the year for the Irish. Pioli personally de-emphasized Senior Bowl performances anyway in favor of a player’s entire college career.

5. OLB Antonio Coleman, Auburn
The Chiefs decide to make the most of the deep passrushing talent. And so long as Coleman doesn’t tear up the Combine (which, considering his mediocre speed, he probably won’t), he’ll definitely be available here for a hell of a pick. Coleman is the ying to Sapp’s yang. He’s a bigger 3-4 OLB, and plays very intensely against the run. But he has stacked up a ton of sacks in his time at Auburn and had a great volume of games for the Chiefs to scout; he’s as known a quantity as you’re going to get. Coleman, unlike Sapp, does not have great athleticism, but he balances that out with a nose for the ball and good fundamentals.

5. RB Ben Tate, Auburn
YES, I KNOW. I’m becoming a homer for Tate. I love this kid, he runs so hard and looked so surprisingly great at the Senior Bowl. If he lasts ’til the 5th round I may just take him with the “5a” pick rather than this “5b” pick. Oh well. To cite Jeremy again, Jamaal Charles has major durability concerns as a full-time back. So we either need to bring in a full-time back for Charles to run with, or bring in someone like Tate and develop a great tandem of talent at the position. So long as Williams continues to develop into a decent smasher, we could have our own Earth (Williams), Wind (Charles), and Fire (Tate) before you know it.

5. OT Chris Marinelli, Stanford
I really like Marinelli, even though it’s going to take a season or two before he gets a chance. Because that’s how his entire college career played out. Redshirted as a freshman, he had to earn a starting spot eventually at right tackle and played very well for Stanford. Playing through injury as a junior, he had to earn a mention on the All-America Second Team. And this year, he filled in at left tackle in a pinch and had to earn his stripes there. If he tests well, the Chiefs are going to love this guy. And he’ll have to earn it in the NFL.

QB: Cassel, Croyle, Clausen
RB: Charles, Tate, Williams, Smith
FB: Castille

WR: Bowe, Chambers, Wade, Long, Lawrence
TE: Pope, Cottam, O’Connell

LT: Albert, Smith
LG: Waters, Harris
C: Olsen, Smith
RG: Brown, Alleman
RT: O’Callaghan, Marinelli

DE: Dorsey, Magee
NT: Troup, Edwards
DE: Jackson, Gilberry

OLB: Hali, Coleman
ILB: Johnson, Belcher
ILB: Williams, Mays
OLB: Sapp, Studebaker

CB: Flowers, Carr, Washington, Leggett, Daniels
S: Burnett, Morgan, Page, McGraw

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR/PR: Lawrence, Charles

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[...] Not a single one of my Mock Mondays have taken tackle fifth overall. [...]

If Jesus says he will be "angry beyond mortal description," I frankly have to take that threat seriously. Raises the concept of "Angry Jesus" to a whole new level really.

Ehud,

You gotta abandon the idea that that Andre Roberts kid is going to last until the 5th. He's going in the 3rd at the latest. He seems like a guy the Patriots would love in the 2nd.

Yeah and the Ravens had possibly the best defense of all time.

I'm just saying, a franchise QB gives you leeway. Your team doesn't have to be so darn perfect everywhere else.

Without a franchise QB, you better hope you're perfect everywhere else.

Jesus,

The Chiefs of the 90s were not winners, actually. The Chiefs of the 90s won *nothing* but one-and-dones except for the year we had Joe Montana. The 90s Chiefs are part of the reason the Chiefs have one of the longest droughts in the NFL.

But this discussion isn't even terribly relevant -- the odds that Jimmy Clausen slips by the Redskins is approximately 0%.

So let me just address the point you made about the OL being "terrible" -- our offensive line plowed yards for the second-best running back in the NFL in the last half of the season. In the last quarter of the season, they gave Cassel plenty of time and allowed a very low number of sacks. They weren't that bad, they were actually pretty average.

Why? The lineup hadn't changed that much, right? Well it was because we gave them better skill players to keep defenses honest. I made this point here:

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2010/01/09/the-offensive-line-what-pioli-got-right-what-he-didnt/comment-page-1/

Chris Chambers and Jamaal Charles, along with better tight ends and better playcalling, did much more to help our OL than upgrades on the line had done all year.

Upgrades are necessary to the OL, but let's not pretend like it's the sole predictor of success in the NFL. Because we had the best OL of all time for a short while, and it brought us exactly zero Super Bowls.

That was one in how many? There's always the exception.

the ravens with trent dilfer comes to mind.

I couldn't agree more about your first pick. I've been dying for the Chiefs to get a franchise quarterback for years! We're finally bad enough to where we have a high enough pick to snatch one. Cassel was good in New England, but look at who he had to play with...plus he had Brady feeding him tips all season long. We just don't have that here. I'm with you...go for a franchise quarterback. Has any team ever won a Super Bowl without one???

Unless we are going to pull draft-and-trade scenario ala the Chargers drafting Eli Manning, I think taking Claussen is silly. This draft just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

1) McClain/Okung/Berry (if available)
2a) Pouncey/Iuputi (Sapp would be a good pick if available)
2b) Pouncey/Shipley/RG (a FS doesn't make sense unless he can play SS - unless Page isn't coming back)
3) Troup/C Thomas for NT
4) RG/SS (have a hard time taking a ND lineman when that line was leaking for years)

Andrew, in my argument I said it is irrelevant whether you think Cassel can lead us to a Super Bowl due to the shoddy O-Line play. You could have anyone back there and they would get slaughtered, including Jimmy Clausen. Regardless of the quality of QB, poor O-Line play will make the QB even worse.

Winning football is built in the trenches. I watched the Chiefs of the 90's. They were winners. They were great in the trenches.

Championships are built in the trenches with a great quarterback. I understand what you are going for, that the ultimate goal is to win championships. What I am arguing is that to build a championship caliber team you need a solid offensive line and a great quarterback. We have neither.

So let's build up the line when the draft is flush with offensive line talent. Take Okung in the first round and Pouncey in the second. With a line of Okung, Albert, Pouncey, Waters, and O'Callahan I think then we can judge whether the QB position needs to be upgraded.

In short, we need both great line play and a great quarterback. We might already have the QB but we're not sure because of the awful line. I, like you, think the frame of a championship team can be built in this draft. I guess we just have different beliefs on how that frame should be built. (eh, eh, carpentry reference from Jesus? Ah forget it).

Appreciate you putting your mock out there. I have to admit that drafting Clausen has entered my mind as well. Although, I had it as part of a trade to Denver so McDaniels can have "his guy." I see Allen and Tate as possible pick-ups in one of my mock drafts as well.

1) McClain ILB
2) Pouncey C
2) Allen SS
3) Misi OLB
4) Tate RB
5) Troup NT
5) Cooper WR
5) Roberts WR

mock means mock. with evething said i do not see clausen as a franchise qb. i agree we have to start picking skilled players who can play immediately without the 3 year learning curve. i really like the sapp kid who would be a better rush lb than hali. i am not sold on hali at all.

I have to say, Cassel's performance in the 2nd half of the season, with the improve O-line play, shook me a bit.

I am not ready to write him off, however, because I saw him do well in New England. And don't give me the "it was the team around him" bull. It was him too. Tom Brady did just as well this season with basically the same team.

Cassel is here to stay and he will be starting or at least another year or two.

Andrew's mock, while it will never, ever happen, makes you think. It is a different take and I ask you all to consider that as we go through the off-season. There is no reason for anyone to come here and read the same mock over and over again.

We are going to shake it up. This is all one great big "what if" anyway. Why not look at it from extreme angles. And taking a guy who could be a franchise QB with the 5th pick, while it may be extreme in the situation the Chiefs have right now, is not utter madness.

By the by, I reiterate -- You're off your rocker, Crocker!

Jesus ,isn`t the way it`s pronounced. It`s Hay-seus ,He is a migrant farm worker from south of the border. Most likely illegal...

Andrew arguing for a QB with the first pick is blasphemous. You set yourself up.

It goes to show how unpopular my mocks are when I make the son of God angry. :(

I am just glad that Jesus, the son of God, is a Chiefs fan!

Where you been on Sundays Jesus?!? lol.

Just kidding. We like your fervor!

No way in hell do we draft Clausen.

Why?

Because I already bought a Cassel jersey.

Case closed.

Jesus,

I'd just like to copy and paste one part of your post that makes me, to cop your phrase, angry beyond mortal description:

"Whether you believe Cassel is capable of leading us to a Super Bowl or not is irrelevant"

I'm going to post it again, so I can stew in my juices for another ten seconds.

"Whether you believe Cassel is capable of leading us to a Super Bowl or not is irrelevant"

Listen, I post some stuff that is unpopular from time to time, and my mock may not angle me for Scott Wright's job any time soon. But what you have just introduced to my brain with that statement is pure madness.

It's *everything*. A QB being capable of a Super Bowl victory is everything in the NFL. Without it... well. You're not winning the Super Bowl. So I would argue completely differently from this silly common wisdom that's slowly developed over time -- that you build teams from the trenches out.

No. That's not how you build a team. You build a team from the quarterback on. Because without a QB with the goods, your team is bound for playoffs disappointment year after year. You're a Chiefs fan. You were probably a fan in the 90s. That's the lesson you learn from the 90s Chiefs.

Now that doesn't mean you tie up over a hundred million in the position, like I'm doing here in this mock. But you must have the right guy there, it's entirely likely that Cassel's not that guy, and if you could throw up potential QBs in the Draft for the next three years, I doubt Weis would like any of them as much as his protege he groomed at Notre Dame. You can't ignore that, or call it irrelevent.

But the essential point your making is that a QB can't survive without an OL that can block. But the Chiefs OL improved dramatically over the last quarter of the season (when Charles came into his own) and Cassel's stats actually got worse. The OL wasn't the problem later on like it was early in the season. Cassel was. So I disagree that our OL is that pathetic -- the current OL we have, even with the horrendous Rudy Niswanger, is still good enough.

Some of your other points:

* Mays will not drop to the 2nd, but I'm in complete agreement that we pick him up if he does.

* Ricky Sapp is actually one of the more ideal OLBs in the Draft. And you need more than one of these guys. I'd argue that you actually need three good ones. Right now we have one.

* I think the top of the third is reaching for Troup, actually. But that's me.

So we draft a qb with a top 5 pick and hes 3rd on The depth chart even thou he Will b runnin the same. O as n college? Must say im against it on top. of that doesnt matter who we Have at qb cuz our wr set a record for drops. No way Denver parts ways with marshall and pick 10 for cassel.

If the draft goes down as you suggested I will be angry beyond mortal description. Drafting a QB without the O-Line in place is suicide. Whether you believe Cassel is capable of leading us to a Super Bowl or not is irrelevant, no one could lead us anywhere with what passes for an O-Line in KC right now.

As for Nate Allen, yes, we need a safety, but with Taylor Mays dropping potentially into the early second round you have to take him over Allen. And while depth is good, where would Ricky Sapp realistically play? We have our rush LB in Hali.

If Troup lasts til the 3rd, yes, then you pick him. Will he? Debatable.

So, realistically with this draft you have selected no starters for a team that only won 4 games last year. Unacceptable. You sir are awarded the worst mock draft that I have seen thus far.

PS

You can argue that Sapp would start opposite of Hali, but he wouldn't.

so we draft clausen and denver is looking for a qb, hmmmm. sounds like the magical mystery tout. trade cassell for marshall and the 10.

O-line and D7 are the primary needs and you wait till round three to start addressing them? Clausen in round one? un-freaking believable. This is the anti-merlin draft. I do like Allen and Troup though.

Eh, there's really not that much WR talent that interests me this year. Meanwhile, there's a deep passrushing class and plenty of OL to go around.

So, I play to the strengths of the Draft. I'm not going to Draft for need.

Oh and Troup (DT) is a done deal if he is there in the third. Crennel loved this guy in the east west game. Said he can really push the pocket. he is young and at 310 pounds could probably put on another 10 to 15. Good choice.

"Pioli has several reasons to go with Clausen (provided that SS Eric Berry is off the board). The biggest reason is Charlie freakin’ Weis. This is as rare and special an opportunity as you’re going to get in the NFL — when you bring in an offensive guru to run your offense, and possibly drop his nation-leading protege into his lap in the Draft. Think about that."

I have thought about it and it is hard to ignore. It makes sense, but how can Pioli justify it? We have so many holes and to use or top pick on a QB when we used a second round pick last year is really freaking tough! At least Cassel's contract is really a two year deal.

I have to trust you on your FS choice of Nate Allen, since you really did your research on all the top safeties coming out of college.

What I do not see is any wide receiver help. It is hard to justify going back into the season with the same group. Real hard to justify. Can you? I mean I would have cut Wade and Long last year, Lawrence too.