K.C. Chiefs: All Things Alex Smith


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So, what’s up with Alex Smith? For some time now, he and the Chiefs have been dancing around a new contract and as recently as March 25th, 53 days ago, Andy Reid was singing his praises,

“I loved his accuracy. I love his want-to to be great. I love the way he took things over and challenged everybody around him and not in a boisterous manner but just by leading by example and teaching on the field. I appreciated his whole game. His approach to the game raised the whole team. He’s a gym rat. You’ve got to kick him out of the building. I was almost on secret double probation his first week in the building, because he wanted to stay there forever and I’d have to kick him out.”

Then, three days ago, in an 810 WHB radio interview Andy Reid (go to the 7:50 mark of this interview) sounded like he was dodging the question about whether or not a contract with Alex Smith would get done before the season started. And his comments came right after he’d spent time singing the praises of new Chief QB Aaron Murray.

I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories, usually, however I do say where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

In an article by Christopher Hansen for the Bleacher Report, he documents both John Dorsey and Andy Reid’s history of drafting QBs and part of the reason for doing so in each case was to gain leverage in negotiations,

“Quarterback contracts are notoriously difficult to handle because they often have the upper hand in negotiations.  By drafting Murray, the Chiefs are at least sending a message to Smith’s agent that they are preparing to move on without him if he plays hardball.”

Yes, “football is a business” and it was clear in Andy Reid’s interview that he’s comfortable bypassing the business side and allowing GM John Dorsey “handle that.”

On the other hand of the smoke and fire is the possibility that the Chiefs brass see real potential in Aaron Murray in the short term. Maybe they want to get him to camp and see if he can give Alex Smith a run for his money. Aaron Murray is no slouch and if you haven’t read and watched Ben Nielsen’s review of Jon Gruden’s QB Camp with Murray you may want to do so before reading further. In the last video around the 6:20 mark, Jon Gruden says of Aaron Murray,

“Well, over the last five years we’ve been real lucky to have a lot of quarterbacks come through here, some of the best, and he’s at the top of the food chain. This kid knows the game inside and out. He’s been in a very diverse offense at Georgia. Traditional I-formations, he’s been in a spread no huddle system in the same game. And he’s made all the vertical passes that most quarterbacks have made over the past four or five years. This kid  can do it all.”

Keep a close eye on the contract talks with Alex Smith between now and camp to see whether or not this theory hold any water. Although I will repeat what I’ve said many times about this draft… it was so deep that a first round talent could be picked up in the third. That applies here with Aaron Murray and perhaps he’s a QB who slipped a round or two too far in which case someone could say of him… he’s a first or second round talent that slipped way way too far. He started 52 games for Georgia. A four year starter. Four years. No, that’s not quite the equivalent of four NFL years but those years should count for more than your average QB coming out of college.

Like I said, keep an eye on Alex Smith contract talks….

In his 17 month history with Chiefs players, several of John Dorsey’s “contractual decisions” have been somewhat disconcerting. Choices to sign some players for too much (like Dunta Robinson or Dwayne Bowe or Chase Daniel) obviously dramatically affects his ability to negotiate with other players. Not only does he set a bad precedence with one player but then he’s spent cap money that can’t be used where he’d like to use it. In this case on a potential franchise QB.

Let me make it perfectly clear that I’m a big Dorsey supporter when it comes to evaluating and bringing in talented players to the Chiefs roster. However, his contract offers are inconsistent and that creates a tenuous environment when it comes to dealing with a player like Alex Smith. A player who just had an above average year guiding the Chiefs to a playoff berth… but he’s also a QB who needs to show he can consistently progress and continue to lead and win games on his own. Much as he did for one game, the playoff game vs. the Colts.

It raises a good question: who are the Chiefs actually negotiating with in Alex Smith? What is Alex Smith really worth?

An infamous regular blogger here at AA has challenged that Alex Smith is not “one of the better QBs in the league” which would basically require that AS11 NOT be better than 16 other team’s QBs. This bloggers actual statement was,

“I bet if a national poll was taken he (Alex Smith) would rank in the 16-18 range”

So, I’m willing to take this challenge. However, if Alex does ranks in the top 16 then you have to admit that you can’t go around saying he’s a bad QB. If he’s 17th or worse… say what you will.

Firstly, ranking a QB is a little like ranking all cars makes against each other which virtually never happens. Sure, you’ll find all sorts of car rankings in the mid-size, compact or any number of other categories like trucks and vans… but I don’t think I’ve ever read one rating all sizes and models against each other. Why is that a good analogy? Because you have west coast offenses, like the Chiefs and you have run-centric offenses, like the Seahawks and so on and so forth. So, it may be unfair to compare Russell Wilson to Alex Smith

That said, this will be a journey into the upside and downside of Alex Smith to prove whether or not, once and for all, if Alex Smith is a top 16 QB… or not.

The Upside

The following ranking is based on the QB Rating. It says that Alex Smith is rated 14th out of all QBs who played at least 7 games. However, if you take both Sam Bradford and Josh McCown out of the equation, because neither played more than half the season, then Smith would come in at #12. That sound like the top half of the league to me.

ESPN QB Ranking

BTW, I think players who only play half a season should not be included in lists like this because, as any QB will tell you, playing a whole year and sustaining your performance for that length of time, is very different than doing so for half the time.

The Downside

The following link will take you to the Bleacher Report’s post ranked Alex Smith at #17 out 49 QBs in 2013. QBs who appeared a game at one time or another in 2013. They had this to say about Smith,

“The truth of the matter is this—of the 16 QBs who threw over 500 times in 2013, only Chad Henne had fewer yards passing. In addition, only three of those 16 QBs had fewer touchdown passes than did Alex Smith. But just like you’d expect from a game manager, Smith did throw the fewest interceptions of that same group of guys.”

2013 QB Power Ranking from “The Bleacher Report

Once again, we have a list of QBs who ranked ahead of AS11 which includes Josh McCown in the top 16 who, while counted on the list of QBs who started a game this year, should not be included as a QB who is better than Smith (I don’t know anyone, with the exception of one possible person, who would want McCown as their QB more than Smith). In that case, Mr. Smith would be counted among the 16 top half QBs minus McCown while 16 other teams represent the bottom half of the league. If, on the other hand, you count all 49 QBs in this ranking, as a legitimate ranking system, then Alex Smith is better, ironically, than 32 other QBs in the league.

NESN has an intriguing QB ranking as of February of this year in which writer Doug Kyed places the top 19 QBs in the league into these groupings:

1. Peyton Manning

2 Tom Brady

Then the comes the next bracket of hurlers,

3. Aaron Rodgers

4. Drew Brees

5. Russell Wilson

6. Philip Rivers

7. Ben Roethlisberger

With another break in the brackets then,

8. Colin Kaepernick

9. Cam Newton

10. Andrew Luck

Then the next tier,

11. Tony Romo

12. Matt Ryan

13. Eli Manning

Then another group,

14, Jay Cutler

15. Alex Smith

16. Matt Stafford

17. Joe Flacco

18. Robert Griffin III

19. Nick Foles

I don’t necessarily agree with who is in each group here, or the ranking order, but am fond of the idea of grouping QBs with similar rankings and abilities. For Manning and Brady, as long as they are in the league, I will have to rank them above all other QBs. The year Aaron Rodgers was voted the MVP, he deserved it… “that” season. So, ranking a QB should take into account the totality of a player’s career and not just the season they just had.

So this is not based upon NFL Network’s Top 100 players of 2013 and in that case you’ll have to accept that Alex Smith had some below average years early in his career. On the other hand, Mr. Smith has progressed and at this point in time it’s difficult for me to see him as anything less than a top 14 QB.

The question is, why top 14. Or, better said, how do you get to 14? I can accept that the second tier of QBs above are better than Alex Smith including: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger but I would question Russell Wilson. Just because a QB wins a Super Bowl doesn’t make them a top 5 QB. Russell Wilson is not a top 5 QB. Does he do well what his offense asks him to do? Yes, but that doesn’t necessarily include throwing the ball a lot. I can see Alex Smith leading the Chiefs to a Super Bowl victory but if he does that, I won’t suddenly believe he’s a top 5 QB. Notice that Joe Flacco is ranked #17. He won the Super Bowl the year before but you don’t find him up there now. Split the difference and Wilson should probably be about 12-16.

That simply points out that an above average QB can lead their team to a championship in the NFL. That alone does not make them top five.

Jay Cutler, the player ranked just ahead of AS11 has all sorts of ability as a QB. The aspect of quarterbacking a team that he seems to lack is the ability to lead. This is where I’d rank Alex Smith way ahead of Cutler. In fact, I’d place Cutler behind Matthew Stafford.

So, 1-16 would look like this to me,

10. Tony Romo

11. Matt Ryan

12. Alex Smith

13. Eli Manning

14. Matthew Stafford

15. Jay Cutler

16. Russell Wilson

Now, it’s this group in which I see Alex Smith comparatively. In other words, in my mind, he could flex-rank anywhere from 10 to 15. I don’t see him as ranking in any way below Russell Wilson. However, I can see him comparing favorably to the rest in this group. One way to understand this better without scrutinizing years of stats, is to ask yourself which QB would you want to face least. I believe most of these QBs and their teams would not want to face Alex and the Chiefs more than the other way around.

However, this part of analyzing Alex Smith’s worth, is all subjective. However, in a sense, numbers rarely tell us all the traits we really want to know: is a QB a winner? Do other players want to play with him? Do his team mates want to win for him? Bottom line… Alex Smith is a winner and is quite capable of moving higher on this list in the next year and consequently, the Chiefs need to pay him, respectively.

No matter what is said here, there are those who would still rag on and on about Alex Smith and say he’s not a good QB or that he’s not in the top half of the league in terms of rank. However, I hope the Chiefs stay away from using trivial leverage methods to bring Alex Smith value down. No, I don’t want him to be overpaid but, getting him signed so he can stop worrying about whether or not he’s wanted here beyond this next season is important to the continued growth of the Chiefs overall.

Alright Addict fans, give me a number… where do you rank our Mr. Smith?


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  • berttheclock

    If anyone disagrees with me about any player or coach, so be it. But, do not use degrading or pejorative terms to express your dislike. Calling Alex Smith “garbage” or referring to him as “Ass11″ is beneath contempt and that poster should be treated with the same disrespect.

    • tm1946

      Doubt anything posted on the internet has much effect on contracts getting done. What fans say or do not say, love or do not love goes against the principle of the “pro”. Since the days of Curt Flood, athletes move from one team to a “hated” foe (ever notice how the ones who hate the most have a little prayer session after the game together). My point is if it helps you side it is good, as in more money or terms and if not, wear ear plugs.

      “respect” or lack of same, most fans would sell part of their soul to the devil if he could play the game. Respect is a fantasy that translates into something I disagree with – love me and I may be willing to do what I got paid for.

      To deep a subject, only comment I have is I would hope Dorsey did not draft Murray to use as a threat against Smith. Wrong on more levels than I can list. We may have hired Pioli 2.0 afterall.

    • Nick the Kick

      Agreed Bert. After Micahs posts about Michael Sam I refuse to even read his his comments as nothing that issues from a dumpster fire mind like that is worth reading.

  • berttheclock

    The major point in all of this is what Tom Condon believes Alex Smith should be paid. Tom Condon is a major negotiator. But, I agree adding Aaron Murray changes the equation and on that basis alone makes his pick worth it.

  • area

    it’s all subjective on what/which QB is ranked but here is my two cents as to the better than AS11 argument:
    Ben Rothlisberger is beat up- I hold no faith in him being able to sustain drives better than AS11.
    Colin Kaepernik- not yet, maybe in 3-4 years when he matures, but not yet.
    Cam Newton- undeniably better skill set, but he is not proven clutch- you could almost argue otherwise.
    Tony Romo- in the regular season all day long, when it matters= never.
    Eli Manning- two rings, I get that-but he has to make up for last year’s dumpster fire- what he put on the field was disgusting.
    Jay Cutler- I’m 50/50 on this one, He is flashier but I still believe he’s a quitter.
    Nick Foles- I’d put him in front of almost anybody on this list, kid is clutch, good field vision, etc.

    Short story made long- there are only a handful of QBs in this league that as of right now I would want leading this team other than AS11.

    • berttheclock

      I believe Eli Manning is only as good as his defense. In both SB wins, there were two things heading into those SB games. First, his ratings had increased during the runs up, but, the more important item was the ratings of the opposing QBs had decreased due to the great defense of the Giants. Take the solid d away from him and his flaws begin to show, especially, when his offensive line falls apart as well.

      • trinity

        Eli is erratic to be sure, but he’s also provided some amazing clutch play in his career.

        • Jim Harper

          No, he was the beneficiary of two once in a lifetime receptions, and had they not occurred he would have lost both of those Super Bowls to the Pats.

          • trinity

            ….maybe you missed it, but Eli had to escape pressure to fling that ball to tyree. I know he is inconsistent, but that was a damn impressive play by him and David.

          • Jim Harper

            I did not miss anything. Eli just gave that ball a heave and Tyre luckily trapped the ball against his helmet. Since that play he has been nothing but a ghost.

    • ladner morse

      Agreed.
      Excellent post.

      • area

        Thank you, sir.

        • Jim Harper

          Agreed as well. Matter of fact I am getting nervous as to whether or not the Chiefs are playing games with AS11′s contract. I think Murray has much upside but has much to learn as a pro before he is ready to lead any NFL team to the Super Bowl

    • micah stephenson

      Cud you list those guys you would rather hav.

      • John Walsh

        Remember, there’s a village missing it’s idiot. It’s time to return home.

        • micah stephenson

          Zzzzzzzzzz

    • Suzi Conger

      Foles had the luxury of #1 nfl OLine; best protection and most time to execute…many QB’s can look great under those circustances…not to mention philly’s receivers CATCH their passes. Alex dealt with Grade D OLine protection/time to execute and Grade D Receivers (per PFF) For example, PFF graded Alex higher than pay-a-ton in both games vs ponies; manning has #2 fab OLine protection and Elite Receivers; the majority of his yards are yac. I agree with KurtWarner, ASmith is a top 5 QB; nfl or espn (inaccurately) do not compute receiver drops or passes under duress/pressure…

  • 7yahweh7

    The O-line ranked less than 25th in pass protection and the WR’s ranked in the top 10 in dropped passes.
    Alex is #1 in the NFL in converting QB pressure into positive plays. He did this in his FIRST year in the system!

    Anybody that thinks some rookie QB is going to do better than that on this team is a grade A FOOL.

    How many of the QB’s ranked higher than Alex won the Super Bowl this year?

    “Elite” is a term used for jock strap lickers.

    • trinity

      Elite is a term used for jock strap lickers? Wtf? “Elite” is a term that are used for the few and great. Since you’re an Alex Smith fan, I’m not surprised that the concept of “elite” is baffling to you.

      And yes, Alex does a great job of converting pressure into positive plays. Lol mostly, he does a great job of quickly tossing the ball 2 inches to JC and then standing quietly while JC makes a play. Lmao!

      • Deadmeat

        Glad that worked for him for 6 plays in the playoff. Unfortunately, he had to carry the team on his shoulders for 44 points. But, only a mediocre QB would do that. He did nothing but get better all season. But, only mediocre QBs do that.

        • trinity

          That loss was the best game of his career, to be sure. As I said, that is far outside his normal range. What does he show you consistently? I’ll tell you.

          In damn near 10 years in the league, Alex Smith has never once thrown for more than 23 touchdowns, and has never once finished a season with more than 220.9 yards per game. Take a moment to let that sink in. In nearly 10 YEARS, that is the best this guy has done. He is Average Alex Smith. Not terrible. Not even close to great. A nice guy to have under center until you can find an actual franchise quarterback. No more, no less.

          • Deadmeat

            When he finally got a stable coaching staff he did nothing but get better and better. When you learn a new job year after year. How are you suppose to perfect it? Franchise QBs have stability. Also, he wasn’t expected to throw all those yards you crave to see. Really? Glad your the expert, I bet you pull down millions with your knowledge.

          • trinity

            Franchise quarterbacks have stability? You know what else they have? Leadership and playmaking ability. Not guys who just play not to lose and lets the defense and run game go out and win for him. And thank you, I am indeed trying for those millions lol

          • Deadmeat

            There is a reason your not….

          • aelder027

            ” Not guys who just play not to lose and lets the defense and run game go out and win for him” You mean like Russell Wilson?? this years Superbowl winner?? Wow……

          • trinity

            Russell Wilson, and also Colin kaepernick, are two young, exciting PLAYMAKERS. Even with the success they’ve had so early on, they are still developing into what they are going to be, and the only place in the world that Average Alex Smith compares to either one of them, is on this forum and in his damn dreams lmao. Nowhere in sane reality in other words.

          • Stan

            Who had the better QB year last year, Kap or Alex? Look it up.

          • trinity

            I know all of their numbers :). They are nearly identical on the season. That doesn’t put Alex in a positive light at all lol. He’s been at it for almost 10 years. Last year was kaepernick first full year as a starter. Shouldn’t Alex Smith be far beyond Colin? Instead Colin, in his first full year, put up just about the same numbers as a 9 year veteran and also went further in the playoffs than Alex :). Lol nice try though stan.

          • Stan

            Kap took over an established team, great running back, great receivers and an outstanding defense.. Alex took over a 2 and 14 team. Big difference. Can’t compare Nolan and Singletary to JH, not even close for great coaching which Alex never got until JH showed up. And you can not deny having 9 different OC’s in 10 years doesn’t hurt a QB.

          • trinity

            Oh yes, it would certainly hurt a QB. but it doesn’t tell the full story. The full story is that the 9 Oc’s ALONG WITH Alex Smith’s limitations, made him suck for most of his career. He should get on his knees and thank his lucky stars for JH, for coming in and turning him into the best thing that he could be, which is a game manager. A guy who is not a franchise quarterback, but can play safe and not fuck up too much. I

          • Stan

            Name me just one QB that had so many OC’s that made a mark in the NFL or set a record in an NFL playoff game like Alex did. You just hate like the other jerk Micah.

          • micah stephenson

            Notice how they keep going back to that one game. Forget every other game. Even in his best game he could not score enough to win.

          • trinity

            I did notice that. Forget about the near decade where the absolute best he could do was be a game manager, and focus solely on one career game that he didn’t even win. You know it’s bad when the best game of a player’s career is a loss lol. Do people talk about how well Peyton or Tom plays in losses? Aaron or brees? No, because the bar is set too high for those elite guys for people to talk about some lame ass moral victory for them. These guys don’t see it though.

          • Stan

            Check out the Saints playoff game. For someone who knows(?) Alex is way off base.

          • aelder027

            thats weird last i checked wins and losses mean a hell of alot more than “stats” do but whatever you say……..

          • micah stephenson

            Before this yr his most tds in a season was 17. Luckily JC took about 7 passes thrown behind the line of scrimage for tds to help out his lil ole stats.

          • micah stephenson

            Have you noticed Ass11 never has had a wr with a lot of yards? Yet they keep saying we need more wrs. Why? They ain’t gone do much with our qb.

          • trinity

            Yes I have noticed that. His instinct is to go for a short, safe throw. Then let the reciever of it, usually his running back instead of a wide out, try to make a play. That’s why the defense can’t let people score. Because of Alex, if a team gets up 10-14 points, it’s usually over. You notice he can’t bring his team back?

          • Ex 49er fan

            Alex had more comeback wins in 2011 than any QB in 49er history.

          • trinity

            If that’s true, too bad that one season couldn’t help him overcome a mere 10 point deficit against a division rival last year. And too bad it hasn’t translated offensively in any of his other 9 seasons.

          • John Walsh

            A 10-point deficit? What have his past 9 seasons got to do with the 2013 season, let alone what he did in the playoff game against Indianapolis?

          • trinity

            We were speaking just specifically of comebacks at the time, so I pointed out a game last year where he couldn’t come
            From only 10 down. Lol trust me, I absolutely haven’t forgotten the whole of Alex’s career, i can assure you of that.

          • Stan

            Do you Jackasses know that Alex has had 9 different OC’s in 10 years. Payton, Rogers and Brees only had one. Payton brought his system to Denver. Know you history of Alex before you cut him down.

          • Jim Harper

            Finally Micah has found a friend.

          • trinity

            We both see Alex for who he is. And isn’t.

          • Stan

            Both of you dummies don’t know jack about Alex. Just being haters makes your sad ass days.

          • John Walsh

            What about getting up 38-10 and watching the defense blow the game?

          • micah stephenson

            Wat about not being able to score when you see that if you don’t you will lose? Or fumbling it set n up the colts fo an easy td and helping them come back. I know he had a gang of yard that game, what more do you think he can do? And your right, he did all his poor lil soul cud do, that was it, he had no more to give, he already gave it all he had. We can’t win having to score like that. We have to keep the other teams pts waaaay down to win.

          • Bdiddy

            It’s called the West Coast Offense…actually been around for a while, and I would think a 9ers fan would know how it works, but then again… Smith brought your team back numerous times after its defense couldn’t get the job done in The Big Easy…but hey, let’s not look at that game, as it doesn’t support your argument.

          • Stan

            You dumb ass, you do not know football, do you?

          • John Walsh

            He’s never once had the opportunity to throw more than 23 TD passes in a season. He was well on the way to exceeding 23 TD’s in 2012, before Harbaugh knifed him in the back and gave the job to Kaepernick. On the other hand, he only had to learn a new offense and work with new players in the 2013 season, culminating in 4 touchdown passes, 378 yards passing, 57 yards rushing and no interceptions vs. the Colts.

          • trinity

            Oh my god. Let me acknowledge, for the millionth time, that I agree that that loss was the greatest game of his career. Thing is, I’m not willing to ignore the near decade of his entire career to absurdly focus on one game. And for that matter, ask yourself why that game is so memorable to you guys. I mean, you guys can recite those stats just like that. You’ll remember it forever! But open your eyes to reality and ask yourself why that is. It’s because it was so rare :). It was an aberration. A mountain in 10 years worth
            Of flat, boring planes. I mean, think about it….if someone asked you right off the top of your head for the single most impressive performance in Peyton’s career. Or Aaron Rogers career. Chances are, you would pause. And take a moment to think. Why? Because great performances are so regular for those guys, that it’s hard to single out one game let alone their exact stats in that game!! Lol I don’t know how you don’t see it dude.

            Second, knifed Alex in the back? Lol what the fuck is this? A soap opera?? This is football!!! The 49ers organization had seen enough of Alex Smith after nearly ten years. They knew exactly what he was and what he wasn’t, so they jumped at the chance to start a guy they feel can develop into greatness. It was a football decision and nothing more. Lol so stop with the betrayal nonsense please.

          • Mayme Gomez

            Shut your donkey dick licking lips! I’d like to catch u out in the ” flat boring plains” :) What a glorious day for humanity that would be! LMAO

          • trinity

            Mayme, don’t be mad at me for what your uncle did to you. Lol!

          • Stan

            Another “A” hole like Micah.

          • Stan

            Another Alex Hater. I hope he leaves and the Chiefs go back to their losing ways. Why are some of you so high on a 5th round pick, 5th round??? Everyone wants another Brady, good luck. I guess last year was just a fluke. Hell cut Smith, you damm haters and see how many game the Chiefs will win this year.

          • Bdiddy

            I would define Alex’s performance in the WC game as a culmination of the growth he experienced in his most recent attempt at learning…yet another offensive system. I think you are being remiss in calling it an aberration because an aberration is something out of place…something you would say doesn’t belong because it isn’t representative of the greater body of work. A statistician would call this an outlier and disregard it from the rest so as to not skew the result. So I can see why you would want to dismiss it as such, especially considering the fact that accrediting Smith would confirm your innermost fear that you got rid of the wrong QB…

            That having been said, I think it is noteworthy that this “aberration” happens to be the last example of his work that we have to reflect upon, and it follows closely on the heels of his best performances within Reid’s offense.

            When you research a stock, you are most concerned with recent performance…not what it did 7 years ago. And yes, Smith is an ascending commodity. This makes your points rather meaningless at the moment. Maybe we’ll have a more meaningful debate midway into 2014,

          • trinity

            That’s your opinion. Cool. My opinion is that he is not an ascending commodity. Look at it from the perspective of time. I think luck, RG3, kaepernick, and Wilson are ascending commodities. New guys figuring things out. Alex Smith came into this league at the same time as Aaron Rogers. One year after Eli, rothliesberger, and rivers arrived. None of those guys are still developing. It’s been a long ass time, and they simply are what they are. All of them, including Alex in my opinion.

            And that is a guy who is, at best, a game manager. That is what I’ve seen from him most consistently when he’s at his best. If you put him in a situation where the coaching is not only great, but it has the exact, perfect, system to tailor to his limitations, and the defense can hold opponents to under 20, and he has a running back who will do all the heavy lifting and playmaking, and you don’t call too many long passes for him……then he can avoid mistakes long enough to manage out a victory. And hey. Nice. If that’s acceptable to you then fine. But some people want to see more. Some people want to see a guy who leads rather than having to be carried. That’s all I’m saying.

          • Bdiddy

            One more take, then I’ll let you have the last word, then I am out…because you can’t force your opinion on me and I likewise am failing to impress.

            Let’s stick to the stock analogy:

            Let’s say you were following this company closely a few years back…you liked the product they brought to the market…you liked the direction they were going and you were super-excited when you heard they were going public. Then the IPO hits the market, but the company’s management runs fat, they consistently miss earnings expectations and public opinion plummets…so naturally the stock’s value goes into the toilet. Bottom line, you sell off and cut your losses.

            Sure enough, no sooner than you sold off, the company makes drastic management changes, the first quarterly report is in above expectation…in direct reflection of the wholesale management changes…after all there was something about the underlying product that excited you, before it bit you in the ass that is. Now…while the evidence is there that a turnaround is imminent, you can’t bring yourself to believe in it again…the horror…Not gonna happen because you are the once bitten twice shy kinda guy. Can’t say I can blame you, but I sure am happy to buy in now that the “commodity” is being properly managed.

          • Brandon

            Let’s not forget about the 7 offensive coordinators he went though in his first 7 yrs at SF. Now I’m no expert but that can’t be helpful for a QB just coming out of college trying to get a Handel on being a NFL QB. Then look at how well he did after Harbaugh came in. I support smith and think he has finally found a home in the NFL and is just getting started

          • Stan

            Evidently you didn’t watch the playoff game against the Saints. He set an NFL record in that game for comebacks in the final 2 minutes. God, I hate Alex “Haters”

          • trinity

            And I hate people who single out 1 or 2 games instead of looking at an entire career of nearly a decade. But you know what? I’ll either live with your opinion or go dive off a fucking cliff. You will do the same with my opinion Stan.

      • Jim Harper

        You really seem to enjoy yourself, but you are the only one laughing.

        • trinity

          It’s ok, I’m laughing at Alex enough for all of us lol

          • ladner morse

            Trinity, so who should the Chiefs have gotten to play QB in the past year and a half? It’s not like you can snap your fingers and all of a sudden manifest a great QB. So… who would you have rather the Chiefs traded for or signed?

          • trinity

            That’s the truth dude. You can’t just snap your fingers and have a great quarterback. And that’s actually not what I’m getting at in my points. I think that Micah threw out some good names in terms of who he would rather see in KC. but me personally, i was less focused on guys in the draft this past year, and more
            Focused on this contract situation. As in,
            The chiefs simply cannot pay Alex more than he’s worth, and they can’t commit for too many years, or they will be stuck with him like Dallas is stuck with Romo.

      • John Walsh

        What do you think Donnie Avery or Dwayne Bowe would say about short passes?

        • trinity

          You tell me john

      • Mayme Gomez

        Funny u think giving the ball to his RB is somehow discrediting Smith! (LMAO) Try watching the games, then maybe u won’t sound so stupid. Smith puts in his work and executes at a very high level (something I’m sure is hard for u too understand). As for Alex Smith being “Elite”! I think he is ONLY a ring away. Then u can find something new to hate on.

        • trinity

          When Alex gets that ring, throws for more than 23 touchdowns in a season, throws for more than 220 yards per game, and actually puts the team on his back as opposed to being carried, and wins some game for them, come holler at me. Until then, blah blah blah blah is all that’s coming out of your mouth, and that shit is very amusing LMAO.

          • Deadmeat

            Blah blah blah is all that’s coming out of your mouth……lol. Pot calling the kettle black. When it comes down to it. Alex is our best chance of winning now. That is what everyone wants, is to win. Except Micah and trinity, that want a losing team. Seems you two miss the old days, of losing. What can you expect from homophobics. Scared of change.

          • trinity

            Did you just call me homophobic? Um, first of all, I am not a homophobe. Second, where the hell did that even come from? Very weird comment dude.

          • micah stephenson

            He talkin bout me. I don’t get down with that gay stuff so ima a homophobe now! They grouping everything about us together now.

          • trinity

            Oh. I wondered what the hell he was talking about. Thanks for clearing that up. And yeah I see they’ve made us partners lol.

    • micah stephenson

      Ass11 is decent at scrambling when a play breaks down. He is decent cus he rather run than pass anyway. Plays into his whole playing scared/safe thing. At least he do something good.

      • trinity

        That’s a great point. He’s not going to sling it consistently.

        • Bdiddy

          All I know is, 10 yards moves the chains, and sooner or later those chains reach the goal line. Alex has plenty of arm to make the long throws, he is just more discerning about how open he wants his receiver to be before he puts that kind of air under it. I would call it being smart, but if you want to call it managing the game, so be it. Either way you call it, Moving the chains is better than hanging your head in dejection as you walk of the field…knowing that your exhausted defense has to go out there yet again and cough up a lung trying to give you another shot.

          • trinity

            First, arm strength Is not one of his strengths and it never has been. Second, yes it eventually reaches the goal line. However, you’re forgetting one very important thing. Time. In a game where my team needed a touchdown to win and there was less than a minute left of the clock, Alex Smith is among the absolute last quarterbacks I want leading the drive. Those 10 yard dumpoffs to JC take a million years to get to a touchdown, and that’s not going to get it done in a tight game where you have to come back.

          • Lewis Rigor

            Dude you are so full of shit it is amazing. Alex has proved to be clutch and the fact you dismiss it shows truly how incompetent you are. Go over and play with those bicep licking jackasses over in 9er nation and leave Alex alone you basement troll

          • trinity

            ….this from a guy who whose comment to stan “wisely” suggested ignoring me and Micah? Well I guess you aren’t so “wise” after all. Hahahahahaha.

          • Lewis Rigor

            You know for the first time your right. I allowed myself to take the bait of your endless trash talk of a great QB and a even greater human being so for that I apologize and will no longer be a member of this site as it seems it allows mindless morons to hate and trash respectiful individuals who give it their all.

            I dearly hope you and Micha the very best as hate such as this will only lead to problems and could impact your health.

            For those of you who do respect and appreciate Alex as a QB and as a human keep up the good work and you won’t be disappointed.

            In the mean time I will miss those who actually know how to have good, intelligent, conversation and wish you all the best.

            Take care

            Capt. Lewis Rigor
            USN Hornet Driver

          • Bdiddy

            What you are describing means winning the time of possession war more often than not. When you do that, you keep your defense fresher and you give the opponent less opportunity to score. This is old school, so I am sure you are already aware of the dynamic.
            As far as being able to drive down the field quickly for comeback wins, there are actually some pretty compelling examples of this when he was wearing the red and gold. I would think you would be aware of these as well…but then again, you were saying?
            I find it disturbing that both you and Micah would have Smith apologize for not being able to snatch a win that his poor defense keeps giving away. I mean…how many times do you have to win a game to finally put it down in the books as a W?
            LOL…I am having mental flashbacks of “Me, Myself and Irene” when Jim Carey was shooting the cow on the road to “put her out of her misery”…he must have emptied two clips into her and she still wouldn’t die. This is the futility Smith must have felt against the Colts when he put up 44 with 2nd and 3rd stingers just to watch it all go up in flames.

      • aelder027

        Sounds just like Russell Wilson……. so if playing “scared/safe” wins you a Superbowl then I’m all in on Alex Smith

      • Stan

        Another off the wall post. You and trinity must be brothers of “hate”.

        • Lewis Rigor

          Hey Stan as one of the newer Chief fans who followed Alex over from 30+ years as a 9er faithful. I have learned early to ignore these idiots as they are just disgruntled little boys living in a basement. Plus it will keep the ulcers down lol

          • Stan

            I’m a 9er fan since the YA Title and the million dollar back field with Hugh and Joe “the Jet”. Cried when Detroit beat them in 1957. Lived through the hard “Dallas Days”, that onside kick still pisses me off, Preston Riley couldn’t fall on an onside kick. But was there for “The “Catch”. Any way I’m a season ticket holder since 1971 and going to the new stadium this year (really expensive). Go 9ers, Go Chiefs and go Alex.

    • ladner morse

      lol… good one… you made me laugh.
      Excellent post. great points all the way around!

    • Justin R Groth

      Well only one starting Qb won the superbowl and I would rank him higher than As11. I would unfortunately have to rank the losing QB as better also.

      • 7yahweh7

        He has never posted better numbers than Smith, and he doesn’t have to learn a new playbook every year either. When Alex was winning it was all about the elite defense and the running game “carrying” him. The SAME can be said about Wilson.

  • Hawthorne

    My guess is that the negotiations with Smith are taking a long time, not because Alex wants a ton of money, but because he wants it mostly as a signing bonus so the Chiefs can’t fire him.

  • berttheclock

    Myths of the NFL. To win the SB, you must have an elite QB. Russell Wilson was the 13th rated QB, last season and he was one of the shortest QBs in the league. To win the SB, you must have a tall wide out. None of the six two and taller wide outs made it to the SB with the exception of Denver’s wide out, who set a record catching 13 passes, but, was held to one late meaningless TD. Percy Harvin, the five eleven wide out, was far more important in winning the game. To win at LB in the bigs, you must be over six feet tall. Three of the greatest LBs of all time were under six foot. Sam Mills was only five nine and he went to the Pro Bowl multiple times, as has the five ten London Fletcher and the five eleven Zach Thomas.

    Far too much is placed on Numbers. As one of our excellent posters has mentioned before, it is not the size of the dog in the fight, but, the size of the fight in the dog.

    • trinity

      You don’t have to have an elite quarterback, but it would sure be nice to have someone who can actually make plays for his team.

      • berttheclock

        He did, micah the second, he did.

        • trinity

          Are you referring to the loss to indy? That loss was the best game of his career. Lol we both know that that’s far outside his normal range. What does he show you CONSISTENTLY? He shows you what I’ve been saying all along. Period.

  • Bigtexjayhawk

    Remember this. AS was sought out by HCAR. Not only this time but when he was in Philly too. He knows AS is perfect for this offense. That being said we CANNOT overpay him. If Murray and Daniel can close the gap on AS then this might be his last year here.

    Trade him. Send him to the Texans for Andre Johnson. Would that solve our WR issues you all have with the Chiefs?? I could roll with Chase at the helm throwing to Bowe, AJ, DAT and JC.

    • berttheclock

      By all means, let us have an over hyped over paid aging wide out, who is a cancer in the locker room, runs poor routes to the point the Texans had to use other wide outs to set picks for him, walked off the field with time remaining as the Captain of his team because he was miffed with his QB. Yeah, he would really fit with the Chiefs, not to mention his huge contract. He reminds me of a fellow I met several years ago who was griping about the particular town he was in and said he was off to better climes. I asked him how he was going to carry all of his baggage. He replied he only had a light pack. I told him that was not the baggage I was referring to, but, the huge baggage he had on his shoulders. Andre has a ton of baggage on his shoulders.

      • trinity

        Locker room cancer? What?? Andre has been one of the few bright spots for this franchise for years. He’s just got to the point where after all he’s given to that franchise, he is finally tired of it all being for nothing. He is tired of losing, and making minimal to
        No improvements. He did absolutely nothing wrong, and I wish he had done this sooner. He truly deserves better than that franchise, and I mean that sincerely. As for walking off and the shouting match last season. Matt schaub DARED to get in his face about a route. Lol after that fucking loser had completely driven the texans entire season into the ground with his hideous quarterback play, he had the damn nerve to snap at the one star on the team who has a lay had his back. Andre snapped in frustration back at him, and I don’t blame him one single bit.

        • Deadmeat

          He is getting paid to be a team player. If he wants all that power you say he deserves. He needs to buy his own team. He deserves nothing. He gets paid to play the game, the way he gets told to play. He has a choice, quit or shut the fuck up. You pay someone millions and you think they deserve temper tantrums? You obviously know nothing about business.

          • trinity

            If you think a great player should just shut up and lose because he deserves nothing, then hey, great. For some reason, it doesn’t surprise me that you would think that. I believe that you take care of the people who have taken care of you, and that’s good business. Andre has been great for them, and has gotten nothing in return in terms of success. We do agree, he has a choice. Stay with the losers or leave the losers behind. It looks like he’s deciding to try to leave the losers behind, and that’s good for him.

          • Deadmeat

            They made him a multimillionaire. That’s nothing? He isn’t willing to give up his contract to move, so he needs to shut up. You obviously work for someone, you have that I deserve attitude.

            I am so glad you think people shouldn’t honor their contracts. I have seen several people in court thinking they didn’t have to honor contracts with me. Deadbeats in my opinion. Johnson is a multimillionaire deadbeat. Honor your agreement and get your paycheck. If he wants out if the contract, he can buy out if it. But you know he will not do that.

            I hate listening to multimillionaire crybabies.

          • trinity

            Get ahold of yourself. Go back and read what I said. I said they’ve given him nothing back IN TERMS OF SUCCESS. wins, playoffs. If you think the money is enough to make him have to shut up, then fine. That’s you. But for some people, it’s about more than the money. Andre is proving that by expressing his discontent. He’s saying that money isn’t enough to satisfy him, he wants to win, and he wants to play for an organization who is fully committed to winning. I respect that.

          • Deadmeat

            With any contract, you can negotiate a buyout. If he really wants out and it’s not about money, then he can buy himself out. But it’s about money and he isn’t willing to pay millions to get out of his contract. He has the union and an agent to deal with his problems. Not to disrespect the franchise and other players because he isn’t getting his way.

            I deal with contracts all the time. Don’t sign it, if your not going to honor it.

    • Deadmeat

      What is this love affair with KCs backup QBs? Just because we let Gannon slip throw the cracks, doesn’t mean they are all so great. Chase is a backup, that’s his ceiling.

      • trinity

        Lol the fans are in love with KC backup QBs,
        Probably because they know deep down that QB1 is never going to lead them anywhere.

      • micah stephenson

        I ask myself the same thing. I hear people braggin on T.Bray like he is good or something. He is garbage. That’s why NOBODY drafted him, not even in the 7th rd.

  • trinity

    Alex Smith isn’t a bad quarterback. He’s an average quarterback. A caretake. He’s nice to have under center until you can find an actual franchise quarterback, but that’s it. The problem is that one of his biggest strengths is also one of his biggest weaknesses.

    And that’s safety. He’s a SAFE guy. He won’t have meltdowns. He won’t throw a million interceptions. He’ll be efficient. That’s great. He’ll also rarely take chances, rarely put the team on his back, and never win a damn thing without his defense and run game carrying him to victory. If that’s what you guys want to classify as “excellent” then go ahead. I find that laughable lol.

    • aelder027

      AS is a play maker go watch the NO playoff game and tell me he’s not a play maker lol wow….. He did put the team on his back and because of HIM SF won that playoff game and you can’t say otherwise…… He made plays all year or KC i’m not sure what games you were watching but your comments are the ones that are LAUGHABLE!!!! Go away!

      • trinity

        ALEX led?? hahahahaha you are delusional. Alex Smith isn’t leading a damn thing. That team is about D and that offense is headed up by JC. Alex Smith is a caretaker. He plays efficiently and that’s good. But that’s about all you can say.

  • Phillip Maxwell

    I live in Ca, surrounded by 9er fans, they still get misty eyed and speak fondly of him. The consensus is…put a solid defense on the field and Alex will see to it that they win by…
    1. Not turning the ball over
    2. Keeping the offense on the field long enough to score but yet, not so fast, giving the defense time to rest.

    • trinity

      “They” still get misty eyed? Oh, you mean the ones who didn’t used to boo him and chant for David Carr? Hahahahahahahaha

      • Phillip Maxwell

        Exactly!
        Those that “didn’t” chant for Carr because they were idiots. Just like the idiots here who think top tier QBs are lining up to play in KC.

        • Jim Harper

          Ditto!

  • micah stephenson

    This the thing with Alex Smith, he just good enough for you to not need a QB, but just bad enough to never really get us anywhere. I feel like with him at QB we should never expect more than 8-9 wins a season.

    • trinity

      Exactly micah. He’s a nice guy to have until you can find a franchise quarterback, but he isn’t that guy at all.

    • ladner morse

      Did Alex Smith lose the Chiefs any games this year? Smith played in four of the loses: 27-17 Broncos, 41-38 Chargers, 35-28 Broncos, and 23-7 Colts. Which game did Alex Smith lose? In 3 out of 4 of those losses Smith was 68 for 108 and 817 yards. No one ever thought Smith lost those games. Everyone, except you and trinity, accept that the defense went south in those games.

      • trinity

        You’re missing the point. Never once, and I truly mean in any debate, have I ever accused Alex Smith of imploding. That’s the thing. He’s not going to lose the game for you, but understand that it’s a rare day that you will actually win BECAUSE of Alex Smith. He is a caretaker, not a playmaker. If you want to call that excellent, that’s totally up to you. I prefer to call it average personally.

      • micah stephenson

        I have said that all along. He wont lose the game for you very often but he ain’t bring the team from 14 down to win it for you ether. If the D can hold the other team below 17 pts, like they did in every win except the oak game, then Alex is good enough to manage the team to a to a win if we run the ball well. But when we get in a shoot out or down by 2 possessions, uh ooooo.

    • aelder027

      But We won 11 games with him at QB so shouldn’t we expect at least that?? you sound stupid 8-9 wins when he surpassed that last year lol…….

      • trinity

        The level of competition will be higher to start this year. It won’t be like last year where you start the first part of the season playing nothing but backup quarterbacks.

      • micah stephenson

        Well if you subtract 3 from 11 you have 8. We got lucky and plyed more than 3 back up or horrible qbs that skewed the record. Most fans have us at 8-9 wins this yr and it ain’t becus of the wrs or the cbs, its becus of the QB.

      • jgwindsor

        essentially the two years before that

  • micah stephenson

    Let me rephrase that. If you asked everbody in America to list the in order the QBs you would perfer to b yo qb, Alex would b in the 16ish range. Also if he is your QB, becus of his age and skill set, you would or should desire to get a QBOTF soon.

    • Bdiddy

      You consistently take issue with Alex’s age, but we certainly have at least the next 6 to 8 years of excellent QB play to look forward to from him…at the least.

      • trinity

        I don’t think his age is what he’s getting at. The point is his age in relation to his accomplishments. Or lack thereof.

      • micah stephenson

        I don’t know if you know this, but when you hit 30 in the nlf you start lookin more and more unatractive every yr. Also like Triny pointed out, 9 seasons to grow and this is as far as your at? We can draft a 21 yr old that could start off not too far behind where Ass11 is at now, pay him way less, but prolly cud progress him faster.

        • Bdiddy

          I disagree with your unilateral assessment of the 30 year mark as though it affects all players the same. It does NOT carry the same weight for all positions. I worry about Jamaal Charles’ immediate future (who is 3 years Smith’s junior) MUCH more than I do Alex’s because that 30 year mark is way more telling on a RB than it is a QB, especially when that RB has the significant work load that JC has.

          Peyton Manning is 38…is he over the hill? How about Tom Brady at 36? Hell…Aaron Rodgers was drafted the same year as Alex, so by your definition he should be replaced also???

          Don’t spout on about Alex’s lack of development and then fail to reference his lack of stability in a system for the first seven years of his career. Nobody could have grown appreciably with that kind of handicap. I would wager had you taken Rodgers in that draft over Smith, we would be having this conversation about Rodgers and Smith would be the star in GB right now.

          • micah stephenson

            Lol. Smith ain’t Brady, Manning, or Rogers. Hell he ain’t even Romo. He is more like C.Palmer or somebody not as good as those qbs you name, so age does make a difference. If he was a good as them his age is acceptable but he is not.

          • Bdiddy

            If SF had called Rodgers’ name for the #1 overall pick in ’05 rather than Smith, how do you see those first few years going for him in SF…as opposed to what we already know about how they went for him (starting years) in GB? Tough to say without the bias of already having that information, I know, but a valid question nonetheless.
            Did the system,coaches and talent he stepped into in GB make him great, or was it his greatness that made them look better than they really were?
            Conversely, if SF had taken Rodgers, and we assume Smith fell to GB as Rodgers did…In that scenario, with 3 years’ to grow and learn just one system do you think Smith would have emerged the same QB that we saw in SF?

            Be honest, and quit laming it up with these ill-informed responses.

          • micah stephenson

            Regardless of what happen to who what when where how, it happen. And it messed him up. He mighta been better but stuff happens.

          • Bdiddy

            So you would agree that it is safe to say his development would have been different, maybe even better…

            And if that is true, then it would be fair to say that Rodgers could have likewise found himself struggling had he been thrown into the cesspool that was the ’05 Niners situation?

          • trinity

            I think the 9 different OCs would have affected Aaron greatly, but Aaron doesn’t have the talent limitations that Alex does. Remember, Aaron Rogers is far FAR more talented than Alex Smith, so I think he still would have been better. It’s all moot. He went where he went, and that’s that.

    • Olivier

      You don’t rate Qbs by fans appreciation. He’s not sexy, has not a cannon for an arm, or would not throw a pass in coverage between his legs ; but man were you not jumping like mad when you watched the WC game and Smith impersonating the better Qbs KC ever had ? You still can be pissed because KC didn’t draft Manziel or other 1st roudn QB, but give Smith a break, because since Trent Green was shipped to the Phins, we had no one close to what he did last season. The jury is still out on him, let him play another season whith an harder schedule to see what we got in him. I hope he can prove KC right ; and hopefully you’ll be the first happy man to eat your underwear because you were wrong on him ;-)

  • micah stephenson

    If you look at all his rankings, you’ll see middle of the tier is a common theme for him.

  • micah stephenson

    I’m not saying Alex is Bad. I’m jus saying he is not good. He just hella avg. Real ho hum watever boring type of guy to me.

    • ladner morse

      Micah, you’ve said Alex Smith is “trash” before. But here’s the thing…

      Eli… middle of the pack guy… won a Super Bowl.

      Joe Flacco… middle of the pack guy… won a Super Bowl.

      Russell Wilson… middle of the pack guy… won a Super Bowl.

      Peyton Manning… won ONE Super Bowl in 16 seasons and he may be the best all time QB.

      The point is… IT DOES NOT TAKE Superman at QB to win it all. Alex Smith is a very good QB who made a big difference for the Chiefs last year.

      • trinity

        I’m interested in your opinion. What makes you describe him as “very good”?

      • micah stephenson

        To me, you are ether one of the best or not good enough. Eli is underrated. Flacco had good enough d and got hot a right time. He got lucky. I hate for us to have to depend on luck. I think Ried was the big difference, not smith. If you watch Ass11′s highlight reel, you will notice he don’t make any throws most qbs on the planet cant make. I think our team has the same record no matter who was qb. Romeo was clueless. Ried knows what he I’d doing.

        • berttheclock

          You are still using the pejorative Ass11. Plus, you have called him garbage. micah, you are the one who qualifies as such, not Alex Smith.

          • micah stephenson

            That’s my nickname for him. It stands for Awesome Alex Smith 11. Lol.

          • Bdiddy

            I don’t claim to be a genius, but wouldn’t that make your nickname for him Aas11?

          • micah stephenson

            Oops. Lol. I need a new nick name. Lol

        • Bdiddy

          If anything…Eli is OVERrated

      • Chris Tarrants

        Hate to step in and correct you but Eli has won two superbowls with his average self! That’s one more than his superstar wheaties cover brother with the monsterious fivehead

    • Andy

      Boring, but with a playoff berth. We haven’t had boring in a while. I’ll take boring

      • micah stephenson

        Well luckily we played a bunch of teams that had back up qbs or just plain horrible qbs. This yr its doesn’t look as promising as it did last yr when lookin at the schedule and its becus we don’t have a top flight qb.

      • sidibeke

        Did you watch the games? Nothing boring about that. Disappointing, too many of them, but boring? No.

        • Andy

          Ummm, sarcasm.

          • sidibeke

            Really? Hmm. Missed that.

  • micah stephenson

    Then another group. I’d put Stafford, RG3, & Foles ahead of Smith becus of there age and skill set.

    • trinity

      Kaepernick and luck as well in my opinion. And don’t forget cam :)

    • Bdiddy

      The only one out of that group of 5 (concocted between the two of you pillow biters) I would even consider putting in the same category as Smith is Foles…and yes, you should forget Cam…

      • trinity

        You would take a game manager over playmakers? Well, good luck with that. I would rather have a guy who made mistakes in route to making plays and leading his team. As opposed to the guy who rarely makes mistakes but never wins for his team.

  • micah stephenson

    The thing is he is a middle of the pack guy. You should always b striving to get the best qb you can. Its the most important position, so why not strive to have a super good player at that position?

  • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

    Alex Smith played much better the second half of the season. Reid has a complex offense and it can take time to learn to run it well. I am going to reserve judgement on him until the end of this season.

    • preston riley

      And it wasn’t just the QB learning it. It would be one thing if Alex joined a chiefs team that had been running Reid’s O for several years. But they all had to learn it. That is something that I think got overlooked in SF. Every year the entire offense had to learn a new system, not just Alex. No way is that going to work.

    • ChiefTucson

      Once AS11 was confident in his understanding of Reid’s offense he got better every game. His performance in the playoff loss to the Colts should his confidence to take more risk. I look for to improve from that game to the 2014 season. Many people on this thread will be surprised and get to eat some crow!

      • ChiefTucson

        showed*

      • John Walsh

        Not only that, but Smith was the kind of QB who used all his receivers … when he had them. Even in losing the playoff game, 44 points were generated without 2 starting RB’s, with only 1 TE and 1 starting WR. He’s got the experience and a good offense. That’s why the Chiefs didn’t feel the need to expend high picks on offense. They got a lot more lower down in the draft and even filled out the depth chart with some interesting undrafted free agents (UDFA).

  • preston riley

    It will not matter what A.Smith does. He can win the next super bowl – or the next 2 – and there will be people who will post statements arguing why he should not get credit. And in a creepy pathetic way, it will be very important to those posters to make that point.

    Before it was the N.O playoff win that somehow didn’t count. (He gets killed over the NY giants loss in NFC championship despite what that Giants D also did to elite QBs like rodgers and Manning, who said it was like trying to throw thru a forest, and to Ryan). Then last year in playoffs – does anyone doubt a WR like A. Boldin comes down with that last pass in bounds? That would have made it a 400yrd performance. But doesn’t really count b/c Alex he played so badly for first years of career?

    Some people get better over time. Coaching matters. Last year, A.S. put up same kind of passing numbers as Kap. Know what familiar complaints were heard in SF? Kap didn’t have receivers, he had a bad or unimaginative OC, blah blah blah.

    • preston riley

      my comment wasn’t really meant to bash Bowe – I believe he said he was playing on fractured foot at the end couldn’t put his foot down to keep it in bounds.

    • berttheclock

      When, they tried to make it the Kap show, he failed. When, they brought back the Gore running game, Kap’s game picked up. Kap is not going to carry the Niners on his own.

    • preston riley

      oh – meant brady, not manning. brady is the one who said during that SB that throwing thru Giants D line was like throwing thru a forest. (I think he managed to put up a whole 17 pts against them)

  • berttheclock

    I would like to thank both micah and trinity for posting. They reminded me I have 3 litter boxes to clean.

    • trinity

      Stop your whining Bert. This is about alex, not anything personal, so get ahold of yourself lol.

      • berttheclock

        Yes, this is very much about Alex Smith, who is the QB for the Chiefs, not the Niners any more. You could care less whether the Chiefs win or not as you are a Niners fan who only wants to come to this Chiefs site to bash Alex Smith. Stay the hell off this site. You should be pleased as Alex Smith is no longer in the Bay area and you have your beloved CKap. BTW, what are you 10 years old with this lol nonsense?

        • trinity

          CKap lover, niner fan, 10 years old..lol you can continue to assume all you want
          about me, I really couldn’t care any less even if I tried. The chiefs just better not commit too many years to Alex, or they are screwed.

  • Lyle Graversen

    Great post as always Laddie,

    I’m with Merlin, I’m waiting to see how he looks in year 2 w/Reid. I think he’ll take a step forward. I’m predicting that he’ll finish ranked in the 10-15 range. I’d feel even better if they loaded him up w/more WRs and a revamped OL. We’re a couple of injuries away from problems on offense in my opinion. Would love to see some cut down day signings at those positions.

    • ladner morse

      I think Alex is quite capable of throwing the last second corner fade to Bowe in the Super Bowl and it could happen this season. It just seems obvious that Dorsey is Walking wall street while Reid is walking the sidelines. While I’m perfectly comfortable with this arrangement… I’m a bit anxious to see what becomes of this approach with AS and his contract.

  • Olivier

    That’s basically why they drafted defense first more than WR. Look at Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer : they’re sloucher than AS11, but given a good defense they did enough to bring the ring home. And also look at Elway : when Denver gave some more defense he won two titles. You can’t live eternally by the arm of a QB, and moreover when yours can’t be stated as elite. They can’t give all that money to AS11 for cap sake, and with Daniels having a good portion of it, I also feel that Murray is more than elverage to Smith contract : if he shows enough, Daniels is off. You can’t keep a back-up at his price when tou try to ink the starter at his real value. Smith has earn his share of the money ; but still I think – like likely do Reid and Dorsey – he still hasn’t shown enough fir KC to meet his demand. I think what still lingers the talks are that KC want more “probation” condition to the contract which Smith probably doesn’t. Murray is – albeit talented upside – is like you said Laddie, money leverage, but also play leverage because given Murray shows enough Smith will need to bring his A game in any given sunday.

    • ladner morse

      I’m impressed with Murray and if you watched the Gruden videos you’ll notice Murray’s reference to when to throw the bad shoulder fade and when not to by reading the WR in relation to the CB the same way the WR would be reading that. Very heady stuff that I’ll guarantee most rookie QBs don’t understand how to execute in an instant. Murray’s been doing it for years now.

      • Olivier

        Yep ! I saw this video too, and it convinced me they did pick great with Murray. Let’s see that onfiled :)

  • Calchiefsfan

    Smith has been rock solid for the Chiefs this past year showing improvement throughout the year. They’ll get the deal done with Smith. He’s too important to Reid and Dorsey’s future plans not to. Make no mistake though, Smith and his agent are not losing a minutes sleep over any leverage that the Chiefs might be trying to impose on them with the selection of Murray. None of the backups warrant any fear from Smith and both sides know it. Smith seems like a very level headed guy, I would be surprised if he was making outlandish demands. The Chiefs need Smith and Smith has shown he deserves the contract. He’s done nothing but show steady improvement over the last 3 years. I’m looking forward to his improvement this year, his second with Reid.

  • think

    i am a former 9er fan from the 80s but when the team’s social integrity became low class i looked to my local jets. when they started to become jr high divas and rich delinquints i watched how singltary started to bring something that was lacking to the 9ers…though it wasnt offensive minded…i watched a little. when harbaugh came on and after AS conducted the offseason camp despite league issues i started to notice a more determined and anxious to win AS…maybe due to the almost peyton signing. maybe AS is a backed into a corner type who has now learned to translate that to his game full time. that would lead to more offense and that seems the trend with him since 2011.

    • ladner morse

      Insightful take… thanks for taking the time to share.

      • micah stephenson

        Yea I liked that comment too.

  • sidibeke

    I think CKap and Newton are ranked too high, similarly to Wilson. Too few seasons to know. I’d also take AS11 over Romo in a heartbeat. Think I’d rather have AS11 than Eli, but hard to say. One poor season and his int rate as a function of a different o system are factors.

  • tomflex

    I think the question might come down to just how long does the Chiefs want Alex Smith. I have a feeling it’s more about how long and less about how much money. Too much up in the air
    to tie up a guy for years you are not totally commited to.

    • Bdiddy

      I respectfully disagree Tom…I think it’s about how long we can lock him down affordably enough to field the other ten guys it’s gonna take to keep the O moving. I don’t think Reid has any doubts about his intent to retain Smith’s services as long as he possibly can. As far as the “how much”, I would think the question has to be more about the guaranteed money. Players know they aren’t assured of tomorrow so they want to get paid for services rendered or not. This has (in my mind) become an alarming precedent in today’s professional sports because the player cannot guarantee what the franchise is going to receive for their money, but that doesn’t stop them from demanding to get paid regardless.

      • tomflex

        Excellent retort, good points and done with style….nice. Like to see more support for your Andy Reid’s intention to retain point……..

        • Bdiddy

          Thank you, sir! Of course, my take on Reid’s intent is purely speculative, but I believe he is sincere in his praise of Smith and I also believe he sees Smith as the ideal signal caller (among those available to him) in his offense…don’t forget, Reid has sought Smith since he was back in Philly.

          With the lack of veteran competition, and given his first year being very solid (by popular account), Smith is the obvious choice for the near future. However, should his development within this offense progress over the next year in line with last year, and we haven’t locked him up before his contract expires, he would be in a MUCH better position to name his price, and it is doubtful we would be able to afford him. We need to display our confidence in him now (I believe this aspect is MORE important to Smith than the money) while we CAN afford him.

          Once the secret is out that Alex is a stud, his value will soar as hits the open market with a host of perennial bottom dwelling teams vying for him.

  • Lyle Graversen

    I’d just like to address everyone that is passionately debating this topic. First off, I think there has been some amazing discussion so props to Laddie for getting this going and everyone who has contributed. That having been said, the intolerance for those with different views bothers me.

    No one knows if Alex Smith will improve, stay the same, or see his play fall off a cliff.

    It’s fun to debate what we think will happen, it’s one of the best parts of blogs like this. Readers often present arguments/observations/data that make me rethink my outlook on things. I’m grateful for commenters that have different views on the Chiefs than I do. This place would be boring if we all thought the same on everything.

    So if someone thinks Smith isn’t the answer at QB, cool, I hope they are wrong, but they could be right. The nay-sayers were right about Cassel when we had these same arguments a couple years ago. I believe Smith is much better than Cassel, but there was a point when I believed in Cassel too.

    On the other hand, someone who believes Smith can lead us to a Super Bowl win isn’t some delusional, kool-aid drinking homer. There are just as valid pro-Smith arguments as there are against. Time will tell who is right.

    So make a stand/case for what side you’re on, but let’s chill with belittling those who don’t agree with us. We’re all Chiefs fans who just want to see them win.

    • micah stephenson

      Mmmm. Why I got a feeling parts of that was about me? I try not to call people names or silly stuff like that UNLESS something is said to me 1st and even then sometimes I just ignore them. That stuff don’t bother me cus I can dish it and take it. I will be careful with wat I post after reading your comment.

      • Lyle Graversen

        While I don’t always agree with your takes Micah, I actually think you receive more insults then you dish out.

        • micah stephenson

          Its no big deal to me. Lots of internet tuff guys. I never hear it in real life.

          • berttheclock

            No, micah, the only really “tuff” guys on the internet are the ones who refer to Alex Smith as garbage or Ass11 or come on a thread about wide outs and go on a homophobic rant about Sam. They are strictly from the dreaded 101st Chairborne Typing Brigade.

          • micah stephenson

            Man dude if you don’t calm yo ass down. I think you might b taking this stuff just a smidget too seriously. Get yo thongs out yo crack.

      • berttheclock

        You still do not understand the difference between not liking a particular player which is valid for any fan and denigrating them with pejorative comments. We understand you do not like Alex Smith and want anyone else to play that position, but, calling him garbage and referring to him as Ass11 is beyond the pale. Bitch and moan about him, but, do not use such language about him.

  • micah stephenson

    Dang 162 comments. Let me see what all yall talkin bout.

    • sidibeke

      Sure fire way to get a lot of posts; write about AS11.

  • Erik Hild

    I think as Chiefs fans we are so used to watching crappy QB play that we dwell on the negatives about Smith. The only thing that matters to me with Alex Smith is will he help us win more games than lose games. And the answer to that question seems blatantly obvious to me. No one wants to admit it but our defense is the major problem we have especially the secondary. They blew the playoff game and the San Diego game at Arrowhead. The Chiefs should sign Alex Smith to a 3-5 year deal and have Aaron Murray be the QB in waiting.