Feb 22, 2013; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Kansas City Chiefs general manager John Dorsey speaks at a press conference during the 2013 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports

Kansas City Chiefs Could Be Just Three Years Behind Super Bowl Champion Seattle Seahawks


The Kansas City Chiefs may have more in common with the Seattle Seahawks than you may think. When general manager John Dorsey came on board with the team, following the hiring of head coach Andy Reid it was very similiar to the way Seattle’s general manager came to the Seahawks on the heels of the team hiring head coach Pete Carroll in January of 2010. In both cases, the head coach had — at least a little — say in the hiring of the general manager, and while neither head coach controls player personnel moves, the personnel system is more of a collaborative effort than on other teams.

Both John Dorsey and John Schneider learned their trade in evaluating personnel from the great personnelist, former Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks coach, Mike Holmgren. Both men followed similar paths to their positions as general managers and both men have very parallel views on how to build a football team.

In Dorsey’s first year as the Chiefs general manager, he was praised for his continual churning of the bottom of the roster. The players Dorsey was able to sign off the waiver wire at the end of the preseason — specifically tight end Sean McGrath, and defensive backs Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker — made huge contributions to the team, considering they were cast off from the teams that had drafted them. It would seem that Dorsey and Schneider have a very simliar view in how to build a team. That starts, it would seem, with a stout defense.

Before anyone lights me up for comparing the Chiefs defense to that of the Seahawks, let me refer you back to the title of this post. I said the Chiefs are three years behind the Seahawks and I think that’s about right. When Schneider came to Seattle, that defense didn’t exist. Dorsey, on the other hand, was lucky to inherit several talented players to work with. That doesn’t neccessarily mean that all of those players will remain in a Chiefs uniform, but Dorsey has them to use either to help the Chiefs win or to help the Chiefs gain picks and/or other players to help the Chiefs win. That could potentially move the timeline up from three years to two.

The next thing required in the Dorsey/Schneider school of thought is a strong running back. In Seattle, Schneider went out and traded with the Buffalo Bills with a risky choice to lead the team in the rushing department. Everyone in the NFL — except maybe Carrol and Schneider — had written Marshawn Lynch off as a bust and all-but-done in the league. Schneider couldn’t have been more right as Lynch has proved to be the back the team needed.

As with the defense, Dorsey was lucky to inherit, perhaps the best running back in the National Football League in Jamaal Charles. Charles had a breakout year in 2013, leading the league in touchdowns with 19 through the air and on the ground. Having Charles in this offense already without have to find a replacement could potentially move the development of this team up another year.

The final piece in a Dorsey/Schneider winning team is a quarterback who can win games. This is where the controversy may lie with this piece. Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson in his second year looked pretty damn good. Super Bowl Chapmpion good, in fact. But let’s be honest, he’s no Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or even Tony Romo. His numbers — yards, touchdowns, interceptions, passer rating and even rushing yards — were very simliar to Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith. The main difference? Wilson is looking like this after just two years in the league. On the other hand, Smith is heading into his 10th season in the league. While Smith may be closer to his ceiling than Wilson, the fact remains that right now, they are very much alike.

So how far away are the Chiefs from hoisting the Lombardi Trophy? How soon could the Super Bowl MVP truly be Derrick Johnson or Eric Berry?

While many of the nay sayers would have you believe the Chiefs will never win the big game, I think with the leadership of Dorsey and Reid it’s a lot closer than you think.

Sound off, Addicts. Where are you? What’s your prediction? How much time until the Chiefs truly are contenders?

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  • Montez K.

    I’m already preparing for Super Bowl 50, in Santa Clara, CA. I think that’s when we, Chiefs Nation, will win the Super Bowl. You heard it here first. Mark your calendars. Thank me later.

  • T.Hagen

    Hopefully next season.

  • ArrowFan

    I agree, all though there is a fair amount of luck associated with winning the Supper Bowl. Even without the coolaid we are closer than most of the talking heads will admit. Of course I have felt for years that if we olny could cover up a few deficencies we would have a shot. But it does appear that the deficencies are far less now than in years past.

    • Calchiefsfan

      Not to be confused with the Dinner Bowl! Sorry Arrow, I couldn’t resist, lol.

      • ArrowFan

        It isn’t the first time I have had trouble spelling words that 3rd graders have mastered.

  • micah stephenson

    I knew it would not take long before you tried to compare the Chiefs to the Seahawks and Smith to Wilson. So predictable. You said it yoself Alex has been around how long now, and this is all he got? I know, I know, but Alex (fill in a bunch of excuses here). Like you said Alex is close to as good as he is gone b. Wilson has just scratched the surface of his potetial. How do you know he is not the next big time QB? Manning went 3-13 his 1st season. I see Wilson developing into an Elite QB.

    • Jason Seibel

      Right now Wilson is a game manager pure and simple. By your QB eval system 206 yards and 2 TDs is not elite. It’s what Smith did all season. Right now the two look similar. Will Wilson get better? Probably. Will he better than Smith? Likely. But RIGHT NOW they look alot alike.

      • berttheclock

        Now, Mr Dorsey, please find a Doug Baldwin for Alex.

      • toperspective

        If there is 1.30 on the clock and you need a score, I’d take Wilson.

        • KCMikeG

          Turn your view downfield – I would take any Seattle WR catching that 4th down ball over a “tired” Bowe who ran a lazy route not leaving himself the room or even trying to drag the 2nd foot.

      • micah stephenson

        No they don’t. Winning it 2 yrs in with nothing at wr vs a guy after ten yrs still tryna get it together. Wilson has a ring and Smith don’t. I don’t judge a QB by just yards. There are a countless amout of variables.

        • Royals_Fan

          So who does Smith have? You want a Doug Baldwin. Golden Tate is a top FA WR this offseason. If yore saying Wilson has nothing and bashing Smith you’re saying he’s got better WRs then Wilson?

          The Defense won the game for Seattle. The MVP of the Super Bowl was on the defense. The defense did something no team has done to Denver all year and shut them completely down. The Broncos didn’t get a first down till 20 minutes into the game.

          I like Wilson. I liked him at Wisconsin and I like how humble he is. But he’s said, and he knows it (just like Pete Carrol knows it) without the dominance of the defense the game is totally different. The Seahawks are a good overall team, but the defense is amazing.

          • micah stephenson

            The defense did play a big part of it and if the Chiefs win, it will have to b with defense too cus our offense still leaves a lot to b desired.

          • Royals_Fan

            The only thing our offense is missing is WRs and TEs. You’re saying Wilson is an elite QB or will be one, yet he has the same state lines as Smith. You’re blind hatred for Smith, that not a lot of people understand, is making you believe think these asinine things about how bad we are. Keep in mind, we scored 44 points in the WC without Charles. We scored over 40 points numerous times throughout the year. Charles didn’t score all the points this year. If Wilson doesn’t have his defense, they aren’t Super Bowl Champions this year. The Chiefs scored more than the Seahawks by 13 points and the Chiefs played the second team in the last game of the year.

            Your hatred has no information to back it up. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl and he went to how many? Payton Manning took 9 years to play in his Super Bowl. You can tell a QB he’s good or bad because he doesn’t win a Super Bowl because two of the three I just listed never won a Super Bowl and they are in the HOF.

          • berttheclock

            I remember when he put the Badgers into the lead late in the game against Michigan State, only to have Cousins pull a rabbit out of his hat.

        • KCMikeG

          Nobodys at WR? Amazing how he does it all himself. Funny though Tate AND Baldwin both had more yards than our leading receiver which was Charles. Bowe came in second and the rest of our somebodys brought up the rear. Wilson isn’t the first game manager to win a Super Bowl and won’t be the last as Alex Smith will win one in the next 3-5 years too.

          • Troy Utt

            Great points on the WR’s Mike! The way I see it Harvin was a non-factor as he was out the entire season, other than his brief appearance during the playoff’s in which he wound up concussed. Tate was already Wilsons downfield “target”… nothing changed there!

          • micah stephenson

            Tate and Baldwin was not very much before Wilson started throwing them the ball. Why cry about Bowe’s stats when you see who is QB is.

          • KCMikeG

            Yes Tate has been better but Baldwin’s best year was before Wilson showed up so that doesn’t hold any water. Blaming the QB for Bowe’s poor performance is not the reality. You can’t have it both ways. In 2010 when Bowe led the NFL with 15 TD’s from Cassel it was ALL because of Bowe. Yet when Bowe fails with Smith, who is obviously a better QB than Cassel, then it isn’t Bowe’s fault. Defective logic. Where was Superman Bowe who “overcame” the terrible Cassel? No where to be found. Reid’s scheme and Bowe not showing up in shape and giving his best effort after getting his big payday is where the problem lie.

          • micah stephenson

            I hope they win a superbowl soon but I doubt it.

        • Troy Utt

          Yet another example of you changing the criteria to suit you…
          Like I have said a million times… Can’t have it both ways!

    • berttheclock

      micah, I began watching Wilson at Wisconsin due to a buddy of mine who is a huge anything in Wisconsin, pro or college, fan. What I noticed about him was his ability to bring the Badgers from behind, either, to win or be in a strong position to win. So, I really wanted him as a backup for the Chiefs. Even Mike Mayock said he could become a legitimate backup who might win you 3 or 4 games. No, I did not realize he was going to rise to a starter’s position, but, I knew he would be far better than Quinn or Stanzi. I was furious when the Chiefs took Stephenson instead, especially, aftr reading scouting reports which said he was not ready for the NFL and needed a season or two in the weight room. One huge difference between Seattle and KC was the fact when Wilson arrived in camp, he was behind both Jackson and Flynn, yet, Pete Carroll said he was going to have open competition for the position and he ended up beating out the more highly paid QBs. That would never have happened in KC, where Pioli never allowed any open competition against his beloved Matt C. However, that said, I am, now, happy he never came to KC only because there might have been a rare chance he could have saved Pioli’s job.

      • micah stephenson

        I believe that is the draft I didn’t think we could get Wildon but was hoping for N.Foles.

  • micah stephenson

    I remember seeing Wilson in the preseason as a rookie, he looked like a polished veteran already, and was a rookie with no experience. This guy may not have had the numbers, his #1 wr was out all yr, but he made due wit wat he had, which is more that what Smith can do.

    • toperspective

      I love Wilson. The guy is smart, a leader and a winner. Quite a pick for Seattle and they deserve all the credit for giving him the reins as a rookie.

    • Troy Utt

      Made due with what he had… Kind of like ummm, Alex Smith? In your next post you mention Jason being “predictable” for having made comparisons in writing his article. You sir are “predictable” in your continual bashing of Smith! I really wish you could step outside yourself long enough to hear how pathetic your repeated bashing & insistence of ignoring “the facts” really is! The two QB’s had very similar seasons statisically, both having issues with injuries, etc…
      Smith: 60.6% comp 3313 passing yd’s 23 passing td’s
      Wilson: 63.1% comp 3357 passing yd’s 26 passing td’s
      Wilson had Tate (a former 1st rd pick) all season, with whom he’d worked with the previous season, making the fact that Harvin was out a non-issue. Smith being in his first season with the Chiefs had Bowe who avg’d 45 ypg not a ringing endorsment, but not Smith’s fault. In a hybrid WCO in which KC basically went the season withouut a TE on the field due to injury… Making the most of his biggest weapon JC!
      Now that Smith is in a stable coaching/playing enviro with that first season under his belt the skies the limit provided KC gets healthy at TE & Bowe hangs on to the ball… Any off-season moves the Chiefs make to improve themselves at WR is icing on the cake! Thus making Jason’s article a very real possibility if the Chiefs follow course…
      WAR CHIEFS!!!

  • berttheclock

    When, Schneider arrived in Seattle, their offensive line did not exist, as well. In fact one of their so-called very offensive tackles was the former Chiefs tackle who played for K-State and was known to be a large turnstile. Two of Schneider’s first offensive line picks ended up getting injured in their first season of play and Max Unger, his draft pick from Nike U had to be moved from guard to center. In addition, his first major pick for a legitimate left tackle, Okung, ended up with a high ankle sprain and missed much of the season. It did take him almost 4 years of constant churning to turn that team.

  • Redblack564

    We will not have a stout D or a Super Bowl appearance till the D schemes get fixed. As everyone saw last night the D got there with 4 rushers all day and rattled Peyton. Our D with good pash rushers such as Hali, Houston and Berry we could not get near Peyton. Seattle plays a simple man to man and hits everything in sight. So until the chiefs are ale to hit home with 4 and be aggressive with the back 7 we will always be just another contender

    • berttheclock

      But, but, but, I saw one play where there must have been something very illegal going on. Why, the Seattle defender lined up ala Jack Tatum, just across the line of scrimmage from the wide out and hit him squarely in the chest with his hands as the wide out tried to run down field. Isn’t that illegal because I do not recall seeing any Chiefs D-back doing the same this season? Place that in the same category of those years when Marty didn’t know any TE was eligible to catch a forward pass. Geez, modern football rules are ever sooooo hard to learn for some coaches.

      • sidibeke

        KC Dbacks got penalized for a lot of their physical play. Now, did I agree with the calls? No. But that is the way it went.

  • Chris Tarrants

    Next year we make AFC championship game but the following year we replace the “legion of boom” with our own ” gang of pain” led by Eric Berry and Ha Ha Clinton Dix and take Replace the “12th man” with our own sea of red in route to our second Superbowl victory

    • berttheclock

      Great thought – One thing about that Sea of Red is I am sure no rival fan wearing their team colors would be attacked trying to leave Arrowhead, wheresas, in Seattle, under cover SPD officers had to be placed in the stands, this season, wearing opposing colors in order to curb the violence from some of hooligans calling themselves, “The 12th Man”. BTW, 12th man flags are appearing all over Vancouver, WA. This morning, I saw them on cars and hanging from apartment balconies.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Depends on what the team does to improve the roster. A good offseason could put this team in position to make a run next year.

  • tm1946

    I am guessing there is more than one way to get there. If we are 3 years behind SEA, then we will need longer than that. Charles, Hali, DJ, Flowers will be gone with age and a few more with injury. To me 3 years is a lifetime in the NFL..
    I think we are a contender if we can get past Manning. Adjust the defense and we are headed there this season.

  • Hawthorne

    Given the talent differential between defense and offense it’s amazing the offense is the better half of this team. A FS and a legitimate press CB should help, immensely, but if we add those pieces and Sutton can’t get it done it’s time to move on. Maybe Jacksonville will fire their head coach next year for not being a miracle worker and we could have Seattle’s old D-coordinator, not likely, but a fellow can dream.

  • jimfromkcj

    If anyone recalls my saying so, and I have said it more than just a few times Pioli set this franchise 3 or more years back in the rebuilding process. There is a lot of differences between the Sea Hawks and the Chiefs. When the Chiefs drafted Berry, a lot of us thought Thomas was as good and maybe better than Berry and I also thought Allen who went to Philly would be better in re 2 then Berry in the first. I also wanted Okung in the first and putting Albert at guard where he belonged. My mock that year was Okung in the 1st rd, Allen and Cody in the 2nd,Jerry in the 3rd, Hernandez in the 4th, Cam Thomas in the 5th. I think everyone of these guye would be starting now if we had drafted them. I also think Dorsey may have screwed the pooch in this first draft and set us back even further. Fisher may never be the player worthy of a #1 pick, just as Jackson has never lived up to his draft pick. When you are going to build a team in the draft, you just can’t continue drafting guys in the first 2 or 3 rds that are just filling spots on the teams, they must be starters who can make a difference in games for years to come.

  • KCMikeG

    Spot on except it would be Charles as the MVP. While I agree they are very similar now remember one very important difference between Wilson and Smith. Wilson walked into the perfect storm in Seattle as a rookie while Alex Smith walked into a shit storm in SF. We are definitely closer than many think.

  • Calchiefsfan

    If the Chiefs do something about the defense, (cough, cough new DC), then they could be immediate Super Bowl contenders.

    • sidibeke

      Agreed. Until the total D collapse, they had a good shot to reach the SB this year, although I don’t think they could beat Sea. But NE or a 3rd shot at Den, yes, they could compete and beat those teams with some semblance of a D plan.

      • Calchiefsfan

        Picture our first half of the season defense and the second half of the season offense playing together. That’s a Super Bowl contender.

        I’m hoping Sutton does something to get this D together but they got worse not better as the year progressed, not a good sign.

  • jeremiahfarris

    You guys dream about stuff that won’t even happen for a long time.
    Chief’s can’t go to the Super Bowl without being very good. Your
    assement to compare Seattle to Kansas City is very wrong & untrue.
    Your article is matter of your mere opinion. Your comparing apples or
    oranges. Seattle was fast & powerful on offense. Kansas CIty only
    has one true solid consistent weapon on offense in Jamal Charles.

    • Jason Seibel

      The Seahawks averaged 339 yards per game. The Chiefs averaged 337.2. The Seahawks were so much more fast and powerful for that extra 1.8 YPG. Incredible.

      • Jordan

        Gotta love when the stats don’t lie!

        • Jason Seibel

          Still trying to figure out if the Chiefs are apples OR oranges.

    • berttheclock

      Did you know Chris Carter knocked their wide outs before the SB saying they were average at best? However, in his comments directed to Doug Baldwin, he told Baldwin to Google him to know who was talking to him. After the game, Baldwin told Carter to Google his Super Bowl ring.

      However, more than just Carter kept knocking the wide outs and TEs of the Seahawks. Yes, they said Wilson could run, but, the one most talked about was the power of Lynch. The major difference between the Seahawks and Chiefs was not the offense, it was the defensive backfield of the Seahawks and a couple of defensive linemen (See Avril, especially) who could rush the passer.