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AA Kool-Aid Cooler: Super Bowl Fallout and the Kansas City Chiefs

The Super Bowl was the hot topic around water coolers this morning and we’re no different at Arrowhead Addict. While we don’t have an actual water cooler at AA, we do have a metaphorical Kool-Aid one, thanks to the wonder of email. Here’s a taste of some of the Kool-Aid we were drinking this morning.


Stacy Smith: I hope all is well with the staff today.

I’m in particularly good spirits after seeing our division rival get destroyed. It’s a small sacrifice to have Manning return to the division for another 2-3 seasons, but well worth it.

Down go Elway and Manning in one fell swoop, the two quarterbacks I hate most in NFL history. Ahhh, the good life.

Jason Seibel: It was quite entertaining.

Ladner Morse: I’m right there with you. The bigger the drubbing became, the more I wanted to watch.

Ben Nielsen: Here’s to hoping that when the Chiefs make the Super Bowl next year they don’t lose 43-8.

Damian “Double D” Nelson: Man, what a beat down. I think Pete Carroll may have just re-invented the NFL.

Natasha Sims: Last night’s defense was dazzling. In fact, that’s the only thing I’ll remember about the game.

Keith “Merlin” Halpin: Personally, I was mixed on this Super Bowl. Peyton losing yet again in the playoffs does make me smile. However, the idea of Pete Carroll winning does turn my stomach. I don’t like to see scumbags like him rewarded.

Lyle Graverson: I just kept thinking about how many Super Bowl losers have struggled the next season. Here’s to hoping Seattle broke Denver’s spirit!

Seibel: I really think this could be Brett Favre all over again. Brett had the best year of his career and a team built to win the Super Bowl, fell just short, and then came back for one more run and finished at the bottom.

Morse: I think you may be right on. I can see many other teams “dominating” the Broncos with good defense next year. Their offensive line is so bad. The end may come for Manning because his body is broken. Man, he looked old in this game!

Patrick Allen: If Manning comes back and doesn’t decline, don’t be surprised if Denver is right back in the Super Bowl next year. Let us not forget how thoroughly they whooped everybody they played this season. I don’t think there is a defense in the AFC that can stop them unless they have a really bad day. Patriots? Nope. Chiefs? Not with Sutton running the show.

Denver might get out-scored but I still think they are easily the best team in the AFC.

The good news is, I think if they run up against the Seahawks or the 49ers in the Super Bowl, I think they’ll lose again.

Smith: Things change quickly. I think the Broncos will continue to be one of the best in the AFC, but I don’t think they’ll be as dominant in 2014. Coordinators adjust far too well in this league.

Nielsen: If there is a defense that could make that turn it would be the Chiefs, right? I understand the Bob Sutton argument but injuries and personnel (Kendrick Lewis, Dunta Robinson, no pass rushing defensive ends) had a lot to do with the second half defensive struggles.

Allen: I think they should have seriously considered firing Sutton. I am sorry but it is nearly impossible to give up a lead that big in the playoff game. If the Chiefs merely played prevent D the rest of the way, they probably would have won the game by two touchdowns. To allow a team to score that many points that fast is unconscionable.

The players the Chiefs have on defense are pretty dang good. Sutton couldn’t figure out how to adjust the entire second half of the year and that concerns me.

Smith: I think that would’ve been reactionary and scapegoating. We stink at free safety and aren’t good enough at corner to survive without a swarming pass rush. I wouldn’t fire Sutton, but I would hire a defensive version of Brad Childress to help him. A guy with stronger X’s and O’s and the kind of defensive imagination that can continue to make good use of all that defensive talent.

Allen: What I saw in the Seahawks defense that I don’t in the KC defense is intelligence. Those guys were making the right decisions on every single play last night. It was remarkable. The KC defense plays aggressive too, they are just wrong way too often and they get smoked. I don’t know that Seattle’s players are smarter than ours but they certainly seemed like it. Maybe that is coaching.

Morse: Seahawks defense was much more than “intelligence.” They had so much speed that it made me think that this game could not be chalked up as just a “bad game” for Denver’s offense. The Seahawks’ whole team made me think that if they played this game 10 times, the outcome would be the same nine times… at least.

Double D: I think part of what we witnessed from Seattle’s defense was simply the added adrenaline of the game. Nonetheless, the Seahawks put on masterful clinic about how to counter the Peyton Manning’s of the NFL. Given the NFL’s rule-making predisposition in favor of the passing game, I’m pretty sure every team sat up and took notice.

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  • Calchiefsfan

    I lean more towards Paddy’s thinking. The Chiefs absolutely stunk in the second half of the Indy game. They have way too much talent to play that poorly. If they aren’t going to get rid of Sutton, (which it doesn’t look like), then I like Stacy’s idea of hiring a Childress type guy to help make adjustments. I know this might sound blasphemous but is Emmitt Thomas doing a good job? The Chiefs d backs were getting schooled in the second half of the season. And what’s with no hitting the receivers at the line when they were on man coverage? I thought it was called “press man” coverage for a reason.

    As for Seattle’s defense, man they were fast. I also think that they had 4 years in the same system so that’s why we saw fewer mistakes from them. Smart, big and fast is tough to beat.

    • berttheclock

      Geez, hitting your man as he attempts to cross the line of scrimmage really hurts the picks game, eh?

      • Calchiefsfan

        Haha, exactly! What a concept, actually disrupt the other teams timing. How many years has Sutton been coaching?

    • jimfromkcj

      I would respectably disagree about the talent that so many of you believe we have. Something that disturbs me is that the Chiefs have too many players who are not complete players and have to be rotated because they have weaknesses in their game that another team can exploit. Jackson for instance has to be sit down on certain sets and Flowers is too small to play bump and run, and some of our off line are really only good at playing zone and suffer if we want to run a power play. Hali is more or less a one trick pony and as his skill erodes in rushing the passer he has nothing to fall back on. McCluster is another player who has limits on his talent and a waste to fill a spot on the roster. Why not look for taller bigger and faster players. No matter how much everyone puts Al Davis down, he was ahead of the curve when it came to drafting players when he wanted the fastest most athletic player he could draft. I guess his record of winning titles and Super bowls more than the Chifs would validate it for anyone who looks at it without koolaided glasses.

  • berttheclock

    I love military analogies to the game of football. So, having just completed the great third and last trilogy book by Rick Atkinson of “Guns at Last Light” concerning the time from D-Day to Berlin, I was struck thinking about the work of Sutton. There were Generals, who were extolled on the beaches and early fighting at Normandy in June, who, were worn out and, some nearly cashiered by November and through the Battle of the Bulge. Hero of Utah Beach, blunderer at the Huertgen Forest. Sutton appeared to fit this pattern of becoming worn out and the game appeared to really pass him by.

    Of course, what will be really interesting is to watch the moves by John Dorsey from now until early in September to add to and mix up the roster. I have mentioned many times about watching the many many moves by John Schneider with the Seahawks. At many points along his way from 2010 to the present, the roster of the Seahawks appeared to be nothing but some gigantic door which kept revolving with new in, old out, old brought back in, new out, etc. etc. etc. Schneider knew exactly what type of player he wanted at every position on the team and Pete Carroll worked hand to hand with him, evaluating, evaluating, evaluating. No position was ever sancrosanct. I expect to see John Dorsey and Andy Reid do the same.

  • Chris Tarrants

    Everyone needs to remember that this is year one for everybody! Sutton choked in a Manning-esk fashion when it came to making adjustments but the old adage that you can spit and polish a turd all day long and at the end of the day all you have is a shiny turd, we need a few more pieces to this puzzle on the defense and we will be set. Nobody knew Richard Sherman his rookie year and look at him now! We have Cooper and Parker who could both turn into something special. We have Commings coming back who they are high on and he could also chip in a lot. Same faces, same system, same building will all help out emencely in year two. Our offense is fine and only needs minor help, Smith will be even better next year along with everybody else except for Avery, who I hope finds another team to drop passes for

  • ArrowFan

    Noodle arm Manning was finally exposed for what he has been all year, a game manager with the greatest YAC ever.

    • berttheclock

      Have you read where Seattle only allowed his receivers 3.6 yards average after the 34 receptions. 122 yards for 34 receptions? Richard Sherman said Quinn, their defensive co-ord, had studied Mannings’ tendencies on certain downs and the D-backs kept jumping his routes. He, also, said, they had figured out some of his hand signals for audibles, as well. He went on to say had Manning changed up and double pumped them they might have been exposed.

  • micah stephenson

    Where did all the BUM-CO fans go??? If the BUM-COS had won, they would b calling my phone, texting me, leaving me emails, mailing me letters same day shipping, using sign language, smoke signals, morse code, and what not to talk beep about the Bumcos. Now they ain’t nowhere to b found. Just silent! Lol. I love it! :-)

  • mnelson52

    Actually Seattle ran pretty much the same man to man defense that Sutton ran. The difference was Seattle had more talented players to get the job done. The defensive line got constant pressure without blitzing, plus they kept the receivers covered from start to finish. When they did catch a ball, they were hit so hard they didn’t want to get open on the next play to be hit again. Sutton should have made adjustments when he realized our guys were not good enough to cover that many receivers man to man. As the colts showed us down the stretch, we couldn’t even cover one top notch receiver much less all that Denver had. We need pass rushing DEs (at least one good one) and faster and stronger everything behind the line with the exception of a 2 or 3. Seattle’s GM, and or the coach is good at picking talent. Most of Seattle’s defense was either undrafted or drafted in the bottom half. I would say coaching had a lot to do with it but you can’t teach speed and they didn’t change schemes. They just said this is what we’re doing, try to get past us. We can’t fix it all in one off season, especially with our cap problems. We may even lose two or three of our good players just to have money to sign drafted and non-drafted rookies and middle to low end FAs. JMO

    • mnelson52

      Maybe Dorsey will work or find a miracle.

    • berttheclock

      They, also, brought in Avril as a FA from Detroit due to injury problems at DE. By the end of the season, they not only had Avril, but, the man with the injury had returned. However, as you noted, there is a preponderance of lower round picks and/or UDFAs for the Seahawks. Schneider was the one who found them and Carroll assembled an excellent teaching corps of assistants. Most of the ones Schneider found were in the days of Pioli where Schneider simply knew far more about finding and evaluating talent than Pioli. For an example of finding talent, Schneider took assistants to Palo Alto for Luck’s Pro Day. While, everyone else oohed and aahed over Luck, Schneider and his merry men talked with such as Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman. Remember Sherman was on board when Pioli took Gabe Miller and Doug Baldwin ended up being an UDFA. BTW, have you read where Baldwin just told Chris Carter to “Google his Super Bowl Ring” because Carter had bad mouthed the receiving corps of the Seahawks prior to the game and told Baldwin to google him to find out who Chris Carter was? The MVP for the Seahawks was a very late 7th round draft choice, of course, he had played for Carroll at USC in 2009. But, one of the great advantages of finding great talent in those lower rounds is how it keeps your cap room down. The Niners have done the same. I still maintain Dorsey will end doing very much the same as both Schneider and Baalke. He is just getting started. He will find bigger, faster and stronger players. Now, may I please return to the new and improved Kool-Aid.

    • DoubleD

      “The difference was Seattle had more talented players to get the job done”

      Taller, faster, and just better.

    • Bigchief

      Good reply you are right on!

  • berttheclock

    I wonder how the Denver Post so-called writer feels about his beloved Broncos, now. You know, the one who called the Chiefs a “fraud” earlier in the season. BTW, there is a great photo at the Denver Post of a Broncos’ fan sitting by himself on the concrete steps leading from the stadium after half time. The article said he had paid $3,200 for his ticket, but, the Seattle fans wouldn’t sit down and he had not been able to see anything. I, immediately, broke into “Una furtiva lagrima” from Donizetti’s opera, which means “a furtive tear”. Yes, that tear really starting rolling down my cheek. Schade, schade.

    • Bigchief


  • e_racer

    Kansas City will have to find talent on a budget to replace the talent they lose. They could win fewer games, and still have a better, deeper team. The Chiefs have to rebuild the team according to the needs of the new direction set by Andy Reid and John Dorsey. Currently, they are hampered by some players who are overpaid under the new realities of the current CBA.

    The Chiefs will struggle in 2014, and 2015 to keep under the cap with enough talent to satisfy the tastes of their fans. The matter will improve and the Chiefs should be in fine shape in the 2016 season. It will be a real test of John Dorsey’s talent as a GM to manage this team in the mean while.

  • e_racer

    Did anyone mention the Denver Broncos were FRAUDS, in the Super Bowl.

    Denver = Frauds, needs to be hammered at their team just as hard as it was the KC Chiefs all season long.

  • jimfromkcj

    The difference I see in the Seahawks versus the Chiefs is the difference between ownerships. The Seahawks owner is playing with money he made himself and the Chiefs are playing with old money which was inherited and passed down to several siblings who probably have something to say in how the team is managed. One voice will always trump a crowd.