The Kansas City Chiefs Should Trade Brandon Flowers

MerlinsMagicDo I have your attention? Good. Yes, the headline is meant to be provocative. The idea is to get you to click on the link and read the rest of the article. However, I am quite serious. If I was John Dorsey, I would be working the phones to trade Brandon Flowers. Yes, “Pro Bowl” Cornerback, Brandon Flowers. Why Pro Bowl in quotes? Well, that award was a joke. His play this year did not deserve that recognition. The overwhelming majority of hard core Chiefs fans would agree. Let’s look at a supporting statistic. The fine folks at ProFootballFocus.com (subscription required) graded every play for every player during the season. Out of seventy nine Cornerbacks, where did Flowers rank? He checked in as the sixty seventh best Cornerback in the NFL. Let that sink in for a minute. That is not just poor, that’s abysmal. Yes, Bob Sutton’s system leaves his Cornerbacks exposed and exposed Flowers was. He graded out lower than Marcus Cooper and Sean Smith. Why? Flowers has been a very good player for the Chiefs. Well, we need to roll the clock back a bit.

 

Dec 22, 2013; Kansas City, MO, USA; Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Brandon Flowers (24) breaks up a pass intended for Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Da

Flowers was drafted in 2008 in the Second Round of the draft. He was drafted to play Herm Edwards Cover Two zone defense. Flowers is what he is. He is a very good zone Cornerback that tackles well. The problem is, the Chiefs are not playing that defense. Today, the Chiefs want to run a press man scheme and want tall Cornerbacks. How tall is Flowers? He is five foot nine inches. The Chiefs recently interviewed two Cornerbacks at the Senior Bowl, Keith McGill and Stanley Jean Babtiste. Both are quite tall, measuring in at six feet two inches tall or more. How tall is Sean Smith? He is six foot three inches. How tall is Marcus Cooper? He is six foot two inches tall. Flowers just doesn’t fit the profile that Dorsey/Reid want in a Cornerback. He was so bad in this system, he was moved inside to cover smaller slot receivers. He didn’t even do a good job there.

What do you do when you have a valuable player that doesn’t fit your system? You trade him and bring in people who do fit your system. Flowers can be a very good player for the right team. There are enough zone teams in the NFL that there should be a market for him. What is his value? I would speculate that, at best, we could look at a late first, early second round pick for him. I would consider that fair value for a twenty seven year old near Pro Bowl level player. In addition, the Chiefs would appear to clear 5.5 million dollars in cap space (3.5 million in salary and 2 million in a roster bonus).

OK Addicts, that’s my take. What is yours? Am I off my rocker?

Topics: Brandon Flowers, John Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs

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  • Montez K.

    Agreed. I feel the same way about Tamba Hali but for different reasons, age primarily. I love Flowers and appreciate the job that he has done…but it is what it is…he got killed this season. Specifically, the Cowboys game against Dez Bryant. You see, I’m living in Dallas. I made a bet with a Cowboy fan that Brandon would hold his own, because I was used to seeing him excel and I felt like he wasn’t getting enough credit….I was at the game in Kansas City…drove all the way up there to see B. Flowers get TORCHED firsthand. He’s got to go. There isn’t a place in this type of defense. I think Marcus Cooper will be just fine…yes, he got spanked…specifically against the Broncos…but we have to remember…diamonds are forged in the fire. I expect the punishment Cooper endured this year will be on his mind this season. We have to remember he was nearly an undrafted FA (drafted a couple picks before the very last pick in last year’s draft.) We also have to remember he did not have an offseason in this system…he came in after the first week…I think we will see a very different Marcus Cooper next season..get us a 1st rounder/2nd rounder for Flowers and keep it rolling!

    • cyberry

      I was at that game.. B. Flowers didn’t get torched! ..of Dez Bryants 141 yards that day.. a 53 yard pass was against Demps.. then another 33 yard pass was against D.J.. so that makes Flowers held D. Bryant to 6 catches for around 55 yards.. In the 4th quarter when the Cowboys where trying to make a comeback and throwing to him.. He had ONE catch.. and the Chiefs WON!!.. You don’t trade your core players..

      • Steve Jones

        What game were you watching? Flowers got burnt on two passes over 40 yards. Definitely didn’t hold him to just 55 yds

  • Ardent Shepherd

    I completely agree. I think that Flowers needs to go. He was beaten SO often and does not play good man to man coverage. Ah well, I doubt that they will get rid of their “Pro Bowl” corner.

  • Troy Utt

    Merlin, Good call… Just as you stated Flowers has had his day in the sun here at Arrowhead, but it’s coming to a close! With the meltdown we witnessed over the last half of the season there is no doubt something drastic has to happen in the secondary & I believe you may have hit the starting point on the head… His cap savings alone is roughly enough to sign our rookie draft class, & with the changes needed, recouping the pick would be HUGE!

  • Stacy D. Smith

    I think it’s actually a pretty solid idea, but I’m not sure it’s feasible. He has HUGE cap numbers over the next three seasons. Perhaps if they re-structured him first, they might be able to move him. Otherwise, that becomes the job of his new team. Furthermore, I don’t think he’ll fetch anything close to an R1. The Chiefs will be lucky to get an R3 for Flowers.

    • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

      Restructuring doesn’t work here. Most restructures convert base salary to a signing bonus that can be prorated across multiple years. In this case, the Chiefs have to eat the prorated signing bonus already given to Flowers. That hit is 3 mill for both 2014 and 2015 and 1 mill for 2016. The cost to another team (base salary and roster bonus) is 7.5 mill for 2014 and 8.5 mill for 2015. The 2016 hit is 8.75. It’s not horrible for another team to take on that contract.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        I thought we only had to eat the restructured portion of the deal? His base for next season is something like 5.3 million. If we lowered that to, say, 2 million, he gets $3.3m as a signing bonus, right? Isn’t that all we’d be on the hook for if that contract later gets moved?

        • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

          What you eat, if you trade a player, is the (prorated) signing bonus since that is money you already paid the player. What you can get out of by trading a player is the base salary and whatever performance/roster bonuses that player could earn going forward. So,by converting base salary to a signing bonus, you put the Chiefs on the hook for even more money in the future.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            So the prorated signing bonus would be more than his cap number for 2014?

          • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

            It doesn’t really matter. Let’s break his contract down. There are three numbers. He has a base salary for next year of 5.25 million, roster/workout bonuses totaling 2.25 million and a prorated bonus of 3 million. That leaves us with a total cap number of 10.5 million. Now, that prorated signing bonus of 3 million is dead money. The Chiefs will be paying that regardless if Flowers is on the team or not. If you trade him, the new team has to pick up his base salary (5.25 M) as well as the roster/workout bonuses (2.25 M) assuming those dates have not been met yet.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            There’s still so much I have to learn about the cap and how contracts work. I’m getting there though. One day, I’ll be a certified capologist (well maybe not certified).

            So the prorated bonus is 3 mil. Would we also be on the hook for the amount we convert to a signing bonus? So if the base was lowered to $2m, would it be 3 mil + another 3 mil that he’d get as a signing bonus?

          • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

            Let’s say the Chiefs converted his base of 5.25 M to a base of 2 M and signing bonus of 3.25 M. Then the Chiefs trade Flowers. Thew new team picks up the base salary of 2 M and the Chiefs have to take a hit of 3.25 M since they already gave that money to Flowers when he restructured his deal.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I said that earlier. That the Chiefs would be on the hook for the amount of his base they convert to a signing bonus. That would be a better option than cutting him (which would tack $7m in dead money on their cap number). Keeping him leaves a cap hit of over $10m. Re-structuring and trading him would leave the restructured amount on the books, but maybe make him easier to trade. Well… At least in my jumbled head today. Hahaha.

  • tm1946

    Would suggest the Chiefs have to consider 9 of the 10 pro bowlers as possible tradeable material. It is a biter pill but the dynasty type team cut ties to stars and develop new stars, cheaper stars, younger stars.

    Is it time to trade any of them, doubt it but the telephone lines should be kept open just in case.

    • berttheclock

      Ah, glad to see there are still a few of the land line folks left.

  • Luke Brundage

    I think its a very solid idea. You made some very valid points. I was flabbergasted when I found out he was voted to the Pro Bowl. The only chiefs DB that deserved Pro Bowl recognition was Eric Berry. I wouldn’t mind a late first or second round pick of him. I’m interested to see how Dorsey handles the offseason and the draft

  • Phillip Maxwell

    A first or second round pick? Come on man, we didn’t even have to give up a first round pick for Alex Smith! No way Flowers fetches us that.

  • freshmeat62

    I think trading Flowers is a fine idea, but I don’t think anyone is going to give a late 1st rd pick, or anything close to that. Maybe a 3rd at best.

    Another I can see being on the trading block is Hali, mostly because of his cap numbers, and he is starting to get a little long in the tooth. I’d hate to lose his never stop attitude. Doubt he’d bring more than a 3rd rd pick either.

    I don’t see Albert being back next year, so there is a huge cut in cap money. But I don’t think the cap is really going to be a problem. I think Dorsey’s signing of FA’s last year was a one year aberration, to get a decent team on the field this year. He’s suppose to be a build thru the draft guy, and I’ve read that $5.5 mil will be enough to sign draft picks, and that shouldn’t be a problem.

    • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

      The Chiefs are close to the cap limit and that doesn’t include Albert because he is a Free Agent.

  • cd3382

    Great read Merlin and I can see Dorsey pulling the trigger on this. Another first round pick or a second round pick would be nice have again!

  • Kellen

    Sounds like a good plan to me. We need cap space and he was exposed continually in Sutton’s system. Nobody wanted to trade Tony G but he turned into the pick that was Jamal Charles. I for one welcome the trade and the cap space. The only questions is can it be done and will we retain the same locker room chemistry without him?

    • micah stephenson

      Actually the pick we got for tony turned into CB Areanes who got traded for Sherman. So we got FB Sherman for Tony G. Lol

    • berttheclock

      Charles was the pick gained by trading Allen to the Vikes. Arenas, as stated by micah, correctly, was the Tony G pick and the end result became Sherman, the FB. But, just a few picks below Arenas was Golden Tate. Another example of a GM trying to plug a need instead of really looking for the best athlete available.

      • micah stephenson

        You constantly trying to clown Pioli for his draft picks, that’s dumb. Nobody knows how these players will turn out. Its easy to say who you shuda picked after they play a few yrs. All 32 gms miss on some players in each rd. Just like this yr we can say everybody who passed on Kiko messed up or every GM that passed on a player in the later rds that did something messed up.

        • berttheclock

          Nonsense, micah. Your argument reminds me of a guy who used to post at the Star and always reminded me that any review of a draft is 20/20 hindsight. The problem with both of your arguments is that you would simply place any draft as a roll of the dice. The major difference between the great General Managers and the also rans is the strength or weaknesses of drafts. The Great ones draft very well. Do they miss on occasion? Sure, but, they rack up far more hits than misses. The mediocre ones such as Pioli end up with far more poor picks than the occasional Berry, Houston or Poe picks. Another major difference is how well they select in the lower rounds. Look at Schneider and Baalke, of the Seahawks and Niners respectively. They have loaded their teams with lower round picks who ended up playing extremely well for a pittance. Pioli missed Richard Sherman, while, Schneider took him. Schneider did his homework, whereas, once the third round passed, Pioli fell asleep. The Niners and Seahawks are loaded with both lower round picks of quality and undrafted free agents. This is not just mere chance and a roll of the dice. It is based on the skill of evaluation. The greats ones are great evaluators. The poor ones, such as Pioli, are very poor judges of talent.

        • KCMikeG

          Not sure what is going on but I’m finding myself agreeing with you again today Micah! Bert – yes there is homework to be done and fact based decision making to be made and risks to be weighed but a significant part of drafting successfully is a roll of the dice. There is no denying that hind sight is 20/20. RGIII could end up a bust. The experts all debated who should be the #1 pick Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf. All the homework and intelligence in the world can still produce failures. http://www.craveonline.com/sports/articles/493213-top-10-nfl-draft-busts#/slide/10

          Look at our history – 2004 = 1 starter with our second 4th round in Jared Allen, 2 in 2005, 3 in 2006 and only Bowe in 2007. In 2008 with 12 picks King Carl could only land 4 starters!

          Pioli picked 2 in 2009 and 6 out of 7 in 2010! Only Sheffield going on IR was not a starter. He was 3 of 9 in 2011 and in 2012 he drafted Poe (many crowning him as the best 3-4 NT in the NFL) & Allen are already starters with Stephenson (who could very well be our stating RT next year), Bailey and Hemingway maturing role players.

          Compare that to the genius that is Belichick without Pioli. In 2012 he drafted 2 starters with a couple maybes DB’s. In 2011 he had ONE starter at #1 bust at #2 and 2 of his 3 rotational RB’s. In 2010 he hit the mother load out of 12 picks with McCourty at #1, Gronk yet he has only had one complete season due to injuries, Spikes who hasn’t played a whole season yet & is on IR and Hernandez who is in prison. In 2009 he picked ONE out of 13 picks – Edelman. Only two others are even on the roster.

          I think Micah is dead on – the draft is a crap shoot more often than not!

          • berttheclock

            Once again, compare the work of John Schneider and Trent Baalke with that of Pioli. They have built power houses through the draft and pickups of UDFAs. That has not just been pure luck which is a crap shoot. Explain round five of the 2011 draft by Pioli where he picked Stanzi and Gabe Miller and let Richard Sherman and Denaius Moore slip away. Explain Donald Stephenson over Russell Wilson. Explain Moeaki over Jimmy Graham. Pioli was very lazy and did little homework on the lower rounds. But, perhaps, you are correct. Napoleon said he preferred his generals who were lucky. So, perhaps, the great GMs, such as Ted Thompson, Schneider, Baalke and Newsome are just plain lucky. I hope Mr Dorsey will have that element of luck, as well, but, I really believe over time he will join the great in his ability to properly evaluate talent as it pertains to fitting his needs.

          • berttheclock

            Wow! Six out of seven in 2010. You mean Moeaki over Jimmy Graham? You mean Asamoah over Veldheer, the huge tackle who has been rated better than Albert ever since his move to LT, which, if in KC, would have moved Albert to his natural position of guard. You mean Lewis, who, everyone wants to see out of KC? The point of the argument is over Pioli being , in my view, a huge waste of a GM in KC. Drafting is NOT a crap shoot if properly evaluated by great GMs. Just picking some starters is not the answer. It is picking players who can really help your team. Taking Veldheer would have been far better than Asamoah, if Pioli had done his homework. Graham would have made the Chiefs far better than just listening to a buddy from Iowa. Want to hear one of the most ridiculous statement made? Clayton of ESPN has said Scott Pioli should be involved in picking the new GM with the Dolphins. Scott Pioli set the Chiefs back several years, not withstanding his pick of Houston, Berry and Poe and I really believe it was Romeo who talked Pioli into taking Poe.

          • KCMikeG

            Again more hindsight. I didn’t say Pioli picked the top six players in the NFL out of his seven picks in 2010. I said he picked six starters out of his seven picks. Guess you just want to gloss over the fact that Belichick has done worse without Pioli than with him.
            I could give you hundreds of examples either way. By the way if Moeaki had remained healthy he could have been better than Graham. Don’t forget that Moeaki broke Tony G’s rookie records with Cassel as his QB! Speaking of Graham who was ranked lower at #96 than #28 Gresham. Asamoah was ranked #58 and Veldher was #68. Arrelious Benn #33 was ranked higher than Demaryius Thomas at #40 – which would you rather have? Hindsight says Thomas by a landslide.
            Jimmy Clausen was the #2 ranked QB and Colt McCoy & Tebow were ranked in the top 50 overall picks. Go back and look at any year on the list of the top 100 ranked players and count the number of players who not only aren’t starters but aren’t even in the NFL. Then look at the next 100 and see how many became starters and even super stars like 6th round miracle Brady or Gronk at #110 and Decker #108. These players were ranked after 1,000′s of hours of evaluation of film, personal interviews and years of college play/stats. Yes some GM’s have done better than others and I expect Dorsey will be in that class when all is said and done but there is no denying that all the homework in the world still can result in failure. The system, the coaching, the quality of the current starter at the position and the players around a draft pick have more to do with the results than where they were drafted.

          • DoubleD

            Bellichek took his team to the AFC Championship this year. How is that worse than what the Chiefs have done since the hiring of Pioli?

          • KCMikeG

            The comparison was drafting success of individual players not the team’s regular season record or playoff wins.

          • DoubleD

            Okay fine. Just tell me what that proves in the grand scheme of things?

          • KCMikeG

            What it proves is that Pioli had more success in drafting starting players in KC than Belichick has since he left. What it proves in the grand scheme of things is that even a genius with all the homework in the world still can result in failure. The system, the coaching, the quality of the current starter at the position and the players around a draft pick have as much or more to do with the results than where they were drafted.

          • berttheclock

            You say the “experts” debated Peyton/Ryan, but, have you just read Steinberg’s comments concerning Leaf intentionally sabotaging the Colts by refusing to meet with Mora, thus, sending Mora into a rage and dropping Leaf from consideration. Now, Pollian says the Colts did their homework and really wanted Peyton. However, what is interesting, is while Leaf wanted the warm sunshine and laid back So Cal beaches, Bobby Beatherd said he really wanted Peyton. One reason was the assistant coaches at Washington State had been more open with him than the then HC Price, who stonewalled the Chargers. Those assistants spoke of problems concerning Leaf and Beatherd really thought he might end up being a problem with the Chargers, but, took him reluctantly.

      • Kellen

        You’re right I forgot it was the Allen trade.

  • jeffromac23

    I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that he hurt both knees early in the season I have to wonder if he was playing this season at 100%. If he wasn’t than he may be worth keeping him around but if was completely healthy and his play was caused by the scheme than by all means strafe could work maybe Dallas with RAC as coordinator would be a good fit.

    • Pealvin

      Ludicrous!! He was still the best corner on the team and he was hurt the majority of the season. People are only really able to say he got lit up by Dez Bryant, but every corner gets lit up by someone. It’s the hardest position on defense to play.

      • sidibeke

        Smith was the best corner on the team.

        • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

          Smith did grade out as the best corner the Chiefs had last year.

    • berttheclock

      To work with RAC, then, he would have to take I-35 a bit further south and head for Houston.

  • Bigchief

    Great idea he had trouble covering everybody, he is not a shutdown corner the Chiefs need in my opinion he was always overrated

  • berttheclock

    So many write about players fitting Sutton’s system, but, why not have Sutton change up his system? Look at the defensive backfield schemes of Vic Fangio of the Niners, who, some say, uses his D-Bs as chess pieces. Show man, switch to zone, show zone, switch to man or try combinations of both. Helps to really confuse the younger QBs. The Niners will be looking at upgrading both their safety and corner back position. Carlos Rogers is getting old in the tooth and has not been used in their main alignments and will, either, have to restructure for far less money and move on. They have a fine young safety in Reid, but, need a young, fast, hard hitting safety to blend into this system. Very similar to the Chiefs. The Chiefs really need a true shut down corner and one other safety who has both speed and power.

    I still believe in the Bill Belichick method of release before their time has passed. Better one year early than one year late. No team which really wants the Brass Ring (Lombardi Trophy) can sit pat. They must constantly improve. This league has become a pass oriented one with an emphasis on speed. Look at Hilton, look at Decker. The Chiefs did not have the speed to cover either one, so, the blame kept falling on lack of pass rush of Luck and Elway. The Chiefs need far more speed in their defensive backfield. If this means moving on from Flowers, so be it. If this means moving on from Lewis and Deems, so be it. The Chiefs can not try staying above average. They must become the best.

    • Calchiefsfan

      I don’t have any faith that Sutton can change his system. Is there a CB, any CB, that can play well in this system? I’m beginning to wonder.

  • micah stephenson

    Dang. I didn’t know so many of yall didn’t like Flowers.

    • berttheclock

      micah, it is not that so many do not like Flowers, but, they are worried about what Flowers has become. Were his problems associated with injuries or has he passed his prime? He was not the same player, this past season, as he was in his early days with the Chiefs.

    • Keith Alberson

      There’s nothing wrong with Flowers, i like the young man, but the Pro Bowl bid this season is a joke, no way should anyone be calling him a Pro Bowl corner this season. As for the article, he’s right. This is a win now league, and for the over inflated salaries some of these athletes get paid, it demands just that. He’s given us some good years in Kansas City, but the fact of the matter is, JC is due for a huge pay day, so is Alex Smith, and Houston is upcoming. So i can see Flowers leaving in a trade, and hopefully we’ll get our second round pick in the draft back with the trade. I also see T Jax on the bus out, and maybe Tambi. There will be lot’s of changes, but i definitely favor taller pressing corners, without them, no way can we run the type of Defense Sutton want to run.

  • Pealvin

    You don’t trade your best cornerback!! I love all our CB’s, but no one got lit up more than cooper! Smith got burned several times as well, including that pick 6 he got on accident against the Bills. Flowers has been the best CB on the team since he was drafted. He runs out there hurt all year and shows warriors mentality and now everyone says he’s been exposed. If that’s the case you trade the whole damn defense for that BS play the last 6-7 weeks of the season. Against Indy the hay really fell off the wagon when he went out the game. That man can press, has great instincts and fluid hips and is one of the best CBs in the league. This pro bowl selection is more so for what he has done the past few years, ( yea he got in on name rec.) didn’t have the best year but, he won’t be hobbled by both knees next year either.

  • berttheclock

    Hey, Merlin, as you like to delve into cap space, what would be facing Mr Dorsey at the moment had Pioli taken Jimmy Graham instead of Moeaki? Of course, with Graham, the wins and losses might have been far different, but…………. Imagine the cap problems he could have caused this off season.

    • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

      I would prefer not to. lol. It’s bad enough to think about the Chiefs trying to resign Houston since he is a FA in 2015.

      • berttheclock

        BTW, remember your discussion concerning Mike Evans? I see some mock drafts have him going as high as eighth. After Watkins, he should fly off the board.

        • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

          Yes, I really like Evans, but I think he will be gone by the time the Chiefs pick.

  • Calchiefsfan

    I think you’re right Merlin, Flowers doesn’t fit Sutton’s system. But then again no one in the Chiefs secondary seemed to perform well in Sutton’s system. How about we find a new DC that uses a system that gets the most out of the talent we have, which is a lot? I was really disappointed in the play of the secondary this year, which mostly was the 2nd half of the season, and I don’t think it had much to do with the talent level of our players. I know I’m probably starting to sound like Micah with his rants on Smith, but hey this D sucked the second half of the season when they should have been getting better, more familiar with Sutton’s system. The offense got consistently better, the defense got worse.

  • jimfromkcj

    I hav e been beating this drum for quite awhile. I would go even further and put Hali, Jackson and Berry on the trading block. As a result of Pioli and his shenanigans we have lost our window with the present group of skill players. I see no chance of getting to a super bowl any time soon. Denver will be the big dog in our division for the next 2 or 3 years and then I think Reggie will have Oakland set up to be the next big dog. So far I see no signs of the Chiefs biting the bullet and addressing our cap problem in any meaningful way. What most don’t understand is that redoing these big contracts, just put us into a bigger bind in the future than we are in today. I can see redoing if we were just a player or two away from competeing for a super bowl. But we have too many positions that need filling or upgrading.

    • sidibeke

      No way you let go of Berry. Hali, given his price tag and with Houston, you could convince me of. But not Berry.

    • Montez K.

      Berry? No way…..he has went to the Pro Bowl every ACTIVE year of his NFL career…believe it or not he still has room to go. You do not, under any circumstances…let go of Eric Berry. Too young, too talented.

  • Chuck Burrell

    I’m not against the idea because I think that flowers is an all pro corner. I’m against the idea that flowers is past his prime. Give him another year of man coverage and see his improvement. Half of the problem this year was the match ups he was put into. He can’t cover huge receivers. He never has been able to. To think he’s turn to trash because he was matched up against dez Bryant makes no sense. Cap room would be nice, having flowers in 2014 will be nicer

  • KCMikeG

    Merlin don’t you think his injuries, the disappearance of our pass rush, the new system and being moved to another position after the season started could have contributed to Flowers’ struggles? Add on the poor safety help by Lewis & Demps over the top and the fact that we played the best QB in the NFL and one of the greatest ever in Manning twice plus the #5 overall QB/2013 most accurate in Rivers twice. Now would be the time to restructure him and keep him in the slot. Seems like we were just talking about how he owned Welker there last year. I hope Dorsey & Reid are a little more conservative before moving on from players like Flowers & Hali.

    • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

      I understand where you are coming from. However, his game by game breakdown doesn’t support tht idea. He actually played better against the better QB’s. Two of his four good games came in week 15 and the wild card game. I’ll give you everything you said about the lack of help over the top. However that comes into play more with the outside receivers. I really think it comes down to a system that doesn’t fit Flowers’ talent.

      • KCMikeG

        So four of his bad games were against PM (2), Rivers (1) and Luck in KC in the 2nd half of the season? He was hurt in camp, didn’t play in preseason, missed weeks #4 and #6 due to injury. Trying to remember which week they moved him inside and started Cooper outside? Week #5 or #6 I think. Were his worst games when he was trying to play outside while not being 100% with poor safety support? Being it is his first year in the new system and he switched from outside to the slot mid year don’t you think he will be better next year if healthy? I think this deserves a more in depth break down by game and the circumstances of each game like how many times he was thrown at before we throw the baby out with the bath water.

        • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

          His worst games were weeks 2, 9, 12, 13. His best 4 games were against Jax, Ten, Oak, Indy His worst 4 games were against Dallas, Buffalo, San Diego, Denver.

    • DoubleD

      There are certain quarterbacks in this league where the only way to get pressure on them is by covering receivers tightly. We played at least of those kind of QBs this season. The reason we didn’t very much pressure on Manning, Rivers, and Luck this past season is because we were not covering their receivers tightly enough. Not all the blame falls on Flowers of course but it’s kind of an inescapable fact that, in man coverage, he is pretty much a size mismatch for all but slot receivers and on top of that, he seems to struggle against the quicker slot receivers.

  • sidibeke

    I would actually be okay with that. Tell truth, I’d sooner trade Flowers than let Smith go. We need to upgrade the D somehow and clear some cap space in the process. My concern is that as average as Flowers was, Cooper was repeatedly picked on and I don’t know if a rookie 1st or 2nd round player could come in and do as good of a job. I’d be okay with a slight dropoff at CB in exchange for the $ and draft pick that would allow us to upgrade at 2 positions (FS and ILB?).

  • SoCalChiefsFan

    I kinda like the idea but I think that asking a late round 1, early round 2 is absurd. I think at best we would be looking at a late round 2, early 3. That could possibly make a lot of sense depending on our plans with free agency and who we’re looking at for our first round pick. This will be a deep draft for WR so if we could go FS with our #1 and get a WR in late 2, early 3, I could see this being a good move. I also wouldn’t be opposed to trading Flowers for an early 3 and then trading up in the first round to get Clinton-Dix

  • heff47

    I would say you need to do better scouting. First off, he was moved to the nickel corner, not because he just sucked outside the numbers, but because he was battling a knee injury and Marcus Cooper exceeded everyones expectations when Flowers was hurt. Second, he is not a zone corner. Look at this scouting report. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/502818. It says multiple times he prefers press coverage and runs man and zone equally well. Plus, he’s been in man schemes almost his whole career since he played one season under Herm. Not to mention the fact that the Chiefs chose to sign him over Carr because they felt he was a better man-to-man option than Carr, a zone-cover corner.

  • jimfromkcj

    I guess in some misguided way, some on here think it best to stick with the status quo and hope things get better. Folks we have all of these pro bowlers and we couldn’t win a division title, let alone dream about winning a play off game. When you see that you can’t win with a so called super star, you trade him for 3 or 4 good players who can win for you. You see it happening in other sports, so why wouldn’t that formula work for football. We are never going to be a consistent winner as long as we believe the media hype and stick with players who can’t win the big one for you. We only have a handful of players who played up to their salaries this year and that is the truth. We need to cull the herd.

  • jimfromkcj

    And by the way, although we came in 2nd in total wins and losses in the division, we really came in third in the division after Denver and San Diego.

  • Horace Lee Madre Jr

    FIRE! Get what you can for him! The recievers in our division abused him and he’s supposed to be our best!?! Please get something for him while he’s worth something.

  • Billie Cabral

    Flowers is a great cornerback. My question is how many blown coverages were on the back end? You look bad when you let someone behind you because you are supposed to have help over the top. However, I do not believe he is elite. I don’t think he falls in the top 10 at least. He has struggled against top flight WR’s at times. I would like to think that he plays through injury’s in doing so it hurts his end results. He is a positive locker room guys. If he wasn’t getting paid so much there is no reason to trade him. This does bring up something to consider. If my research is correct, he is due $10 million this upcoming year which $7 million is guaranteed. After that he has no more guaranteed money.

  • kchief58

    You guys are all crazy,, Brandon Flowers is a good all-around cornerback, he has what it takes to be a great back,,he has heart and he gives it his all. True he’s no Emmit Thomas but he can hang with the best of them. He’s a main-stay with the Chiefs and will always be, so forget the trade, just bing in more competition.

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