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Just How Good Are The 5-0 Kansas City Chiefs?

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The Kansas City Chiefs are now one of only three teams that are still undefeated after their 26-17 victory over the Tennessee Titans on Sunday. The wins haven’t always been pretty. They squandered a 13-0 halftime lead when they allowed 17 unanswered points to start the second half on Sunday and forced themselves to come from behind. The Chiefs’ offense has been a work in progress all year long. The live game day threads here at AA are made up of 45% positive comments about the defense, 45% negative comments about the offense, and 10% comments about everything else. While there is NO question that the Chiefs are light years better than they were last season, the general consensus seems to be that this team is still a work in progress.

So just what should Chiefs fans be thinking at this point in terms of expectations for the rest of the season? I already listed 10 Reasons The Chiefs Will Make The Playoffs last week. With their win on Sunday, the Chiefs increased their odds of making the playoffs up to 90% by going 5-0. This is a playoff team. I believe that 100%. Especially this season. While I still believe Denver will win the division, I don’t think it’s impossible that the Chiefs end up with one of the top 2-3 records in the AFC. While they may not win the division, they are already a couple games up on any team that they would currently be competing with for wild card spots. If you take away the division leading Broncos (5-0), Colts (4-1), and Patriots (4-1), all the other teams in the AFC that KC would be competing for wild card spots with already have at least two loses.

Despite their sluggish offensive performance to date, can you really make a case for any of the two loss AFC teams being a better team than the Chiefs at this point? I don’t believe that you can. The Chiefs have already won three road games. One of them was the Jaguars, so that isn’t saying a lot, but the other two were not easy games. Andy Reid returning to Philadelphia for the first time to face his old team in prime time and on a short week was no sure thing. The Titans were 3-1 and have one of the better defenses in the NFL. Those are quality wins. Having three of their five wins on the road also means that KC still has 6 home games remaining. As the Chiefs continue to win, the Chiefs Kingdom will continue to get more excited. Crowds will get bigger and louder and the imposing Arrowhead advantage will only continue to grow.

So if we feel like it is safe to call the Chiefs one of the clear cut top four teams in their conference, shouldn’t we be discussing if this team has what it takes to win in the post season? I know it’s early. I know anything can happen. I know that the team and coaches are just focusing on one game at a time. That’s what they should do, but I’m not a coach or a player. I’m a blogger. For any other team in the NFL that was seen as a clear cut top four team in their conference, they’d be dreaming of Super Bowls. We aren’t to that point yet.

Maybe it’s because we’ve had our hearts crushed by this team too many times.

Maybe it’s because the Chiefs were 2-14 last season and by far the most inept football team I’ve ever watched and no team could ever go from that to Super Bowl contenders in one season.

Maybe it’s because the Chiefs have gone something like 70 zillion years since they won a playoff game, so we want to see them get over that hurdle before we dream of more.

Maybe it’s because we recently saw the Matt Cassel/Todd Haley lead Chiefs of 2010 get off to a hot start only to get boot stomped by the Ravens and exposed as frauds in the playoffs.

Maybe it’s because the KC offense still doesn’t pass our eye test.

Whatever the reason, Chiefs fans aren’t dreaming the same dreams as the other teams that are at the top of the standing. The Kansas City Chiefs will undoubtedly be in the top five of almost every NFL power rankings that you’ll find this week. I bet the fans of the other teams in the top five are dreaming of Lombardi Trophies.

So I ask you Addicts, what will it take for you to dream that big? How many games do the Chiefs have to win? Does the offense need to prove something first? Does Alex Smith need to prove something first? Do the Chiefs have to beat the Broncos before you would believe?

Everyone likes to point to the Trent Dilfer Ravens team and Brad Johnson Buccaneers team as Super Bowl winners that had the dreaded “game manager” QBs. Those teams are far enough in the past at this point that they don’t really relate to the modern NFL anymore. However, I decided to take a look at a couple of more recent Super Bowl winning teams and see how this year’s KC team is stacking up with them. The first of those teams is the 2005 Steelers team that beat Seattle 21-10 based much more on their defense and run game than on the arm of second year QB Ben Roethlisberger. The second team is last year’s winner, the Baltimore Ravens.

Here is a chart showing how these two Super Bowl winning teams ranked in different key areas and how this year’s KC team ranks along side them. For some categories I averaged out KC’s current numbers over 16 games.

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So what, if anything, does that chart show? Keeping in mind that KC’s sample size is 1/3 the size of the two Super Bowl winners, it shows that KC is in the same league as these teams when it comes to regular season play.

The areas where KC actually is outperforming these two Super Bowl winners include turnover differential, points allowed, sacks, QB completion percentage allowed, and QB rating against.

The areas where KC is currently falling short of those two teams include offensive yards per play, passing yards per attempt, and rushing yards per carry allowed.

I’ll let you decide if you think the strengths that KC has shown outweigh their shortcomings. I did find it interesting that KC’s offensive yards per game, points per game, and even passing yards per game are all comparable with these two Super Bowl winners.

Obviously, we all know that part of the reason that Baltimore won the Super Bowl last year was because Joe Flacco got extremely hot in the postseason. It would probably take Alex Smith going on a similar run in order for KC to be a real force, but I thought looking at how the teams compared was interesting.

I’m not saying that KC is already a Super Bowl contender. I am saying that KC is clearly a playoff caliber team at this point. So where are you setting the bar going forward? Are you just looking at things “one game at a time”? Are you just hoping to get into the playoffs by any means necessary? Do you just want to break the playoff win draught? Are you one of the rare few that are already starting to dream about winning the ultimate prize? I’d love to hear where your expectations are now that the Chiefs are 5-0.

If nothing else, it sure is nice to not be focusing all of our attention on the NFL draft by mid-October. Andy Reid and John Dorsey deserve every bit of praise that they are receiving for turning this team around. Here’s to hoping that a week from now we will be celebrating the Chiefs going 6-0 AND the KC faithful claiming the official record as loudest crowd in the history of sports. I’m sure I’ll be screaming right along with them from my couch.

It sure is a great time to be a Chiefs fan.

Tech Update Of The Week:

My transition to the modern era of watching football is now complete. Since I’m a DirecTV subscriber I was able to download the Sunday Ticket app on my Droid Maxx. Doing so allows you to watch any NFL game on your phone, and if you have a big enough screen like the Maxx has, it’s heaven. You combine that with being able to watch NFL network and the Red Zone channel with the NFL Mobile app through Verizon and you can pretty much feed your NFL addiction anytime and anyplace. It’s one of those things that ten years ago I wouldn’t have even thought would be possible and now I will never be able to live without it. If you’ve been considering any of these NFL tech upgrades, my recommendation is 100% do it.

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

    The Chiefs have a championship defense and a mediocre offense. I think they can probably compete with any team in the league but they HAVE to find a way to move the ball more effectively. Denver is too strong on offense…even against a very good KC D, Manning is probably going to be able to put up 20-30 points. that means when the Chiefs defense provides the offense with opportunities, the offense must respondby scoring touchdowns.

    Nobody thought the Patriots could be beaten when they went 16-0. Nobody thought the Broncos were going to lost last season in the playoffs. It can happen, no matter how strong a team looks.

    • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

      Well said Paddy. I always keep in mind that Super Bowls are not won in Sept/Oct, but won based on how a team plays in Dec/Jan. Let’s see how well teams are playing then.

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        Yeah a lot can happen between now and December.

    • Joe Myers

      http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9785160 . At least someone on this planet sees what I see . I’m sure you allready read this but its soooooo true !!!!

      • Kisersosay

        Nice….thanks for sharing

      • Lyle Graversen

        Thanks for sharing the link, well worth the read.

    • WORLDCHAMPSPURS

      Winter is coming… for Manning!

    • Lyle Graversen

      All good point Paddy, I’m just hoping the offense has evolved by the time the end of the year arrives. Denver may not be beatable even if we do, but like you said, nobody thought NE was beatable either. I like our physical defense’s approach for at least having a shot to rattle Manning.

  • berttheclock

    First of all, let any and all please separate two completely different things. The 2012 KC Chiefs and the 2013 KC Chiefs. Yes, they have the same name and about 20 of the same players (Six of which went to the Pro Bowl). However, the 2013 team has added over 30 players and a new coaching staff. That takes time to mold into a cohesive unit by the new coaching staff, whether, on offense, defense or special teams. Add some injuries to several players and there has had to be more reshuffling.

    But, to the comparison with Flacco’s team of last year. That team really made its move late in the season. Injuries to players earlier in the year had hurt them and they blended nearing the playoffs and throughout the play offs. One thing about coming together as a team heading into the playoffs. There is some analyst, whose name escapes me, but, he has presented a study on picking successful SB teams. He combines two things. How well a QB’s rating keeps improving in those December games and how the defense forces opposing QB’s numbers to decrease. The last SB winning Giants team is a great example of that. Eli’s numbers kept going up and their defense kept stifling opposing QBs

    I would rather see this new and improved 2013 team keep getting better and stronger than one which really peaks in the early days of the campaign.

    • Michael Shaw

      Very much agree.

  • BigGil

    I’m taking it game by game at this point. Offensively, I think Alex Smith and the specialists are coming together well, but that our OL is either seeing anymore from little improvement to flat out regression from game to game. The OL allowing as much disruption from a four-man pressure as they did yesterday is unacceptable. As it is, it was somewhat reassuring to see a few plays where AS11 had time to air it out against that stout Titans D and do it successfully. In short, seeing that Alex Smith is able to throw (successfully) long passes is a plus, but the OL not allowing him more opportunities to attempt it more often is a huge negative. Yes, he did throw some bad passes (and was lucky that a couple more of them didn’t turn into interceptions), but that could all come back to poor OL play. And the penalties??? AHHHHHH!!!!

    IMO, if the OL gets better quicker and with more discipline and consistency, the team will be in a position to break out big. It all starts there for me: improve the OL, and the rest looks to be in a pretty good position to fall into place thereafter. NOTE: This is taking into consideration that the offensive specialists can still get better, OL aside, (some bad passes not OL related, and some bad drops not OL related) but it’s also taking into consideration that this is a 1st year offense and, to me and what I see, the specialists are playing better together at this point than I expected them to (especially considering the Fasano/Kelce injuries).

    • freshmeat62

      I’m w/ you on the o-line. The 1st half I swore that if I was the o-line coach, I’d have them in the freaking weight room, every spare minute, putting on another 20# of meat each. They’re not winning many battles on the line-of-scrimmage. They get pushed around too much.

      • berttheclock

        I have two very good friends who are Wisconsin and Packers fans. Because of them, I started watching Russell Wilson in college and saw strong positives and I wanted him as our backup. When, Stephenson’s name was announced, I was livid. I was even more so after reading a comment that he really needed to spend a couple of years in the weight room, plus, learning how to work with other offensive line players. He was knocked down in ratings last year due to his lack of physical strength in his upper body. He still is a work in progress and he has been forced into starting both years. Two things from out of the past bothered me, yesterday. First, seeing Pollard and remembering he was cut without getting any draft compensation for him. I could have cared less had he stayed with the team, but, to pass up draft choices is very poor. Stephenson starting was the second thing from the disastrous days of Pioli. But, there were so many positives from the new Dorsey/Reid era beginning to show, they offset those two minor quibbles.

        • freshmeat62

          Yes things are improving. I can tell because I’m not as hoarse as I was a couple weeks ago when I was yelling “RUN THE FREAKING BALL”!

        • Michael Shaw

          Um, I think I only saw two plays that stephenson got flat out beat on. Other than that, he seemed to do ok for us yesterday. Or did I miss a couple of other plays?

    • Michael Shaw

      bert, I normally wouldn’t do anything that might side with Micah, but that throw to Avery when he broke loose down the field and had to STOP to catch the ball was badly under thrown. Had the DB been paying attention that should have been picked. I am a big Alex Smith fan, but that deep ball has me wondering if the pundits are right about his inability to throw the ball deep! Either way, he does keep us in games with his fourth quarter drives!!!!!

      • berttheclock

        It was raining. I have been wanting to see Avery on a straight go and he did have to turn his body and look back for the catch. On the other long throw, no, he was not hit in stride and looked like an outfielder coming back for the catch. I do believe the rain was affecting both QBs and Smith to Avery is still a work in progress. However, I have faith with them coming together and fully expect to see one of these turn into a TD in dryer weather.

        • Michael Shaw

          You know I didn’t even think about the weather on that throw. Still, that can’t happen against a team with better DB’s than Tennessee or we will have more picks than TD’s.

          • KCMikeG

            The Titans are a top 10 defense, top 5 in Int’s, FR’s and sacks. They were tied with us at a +9 take away/give away ratio before Sunday. They are one of the best D’s we will face.

      • KCMikeG

        If AS11 had lead him the safety would have closed on the play and broken it up or worse picked it. Go back and watch the film. The ball was where it had to be on both of his 40+ yard completions. Avery had body position on the DB so no way he could have gotten back to the ball w/o a P/I call.

    • WORLDCHAMPSPURS

      Our chances, for major success, begin and end with the OL.
      I really thought it would be our primary strength…

  • berttheclock

    Yes, several passes by both QBs were off, but, it was raining.

    However, one more Kudo for John Dorsey and Ballard for recognizing the talent being given away by the Niners. Near the end of training camp in SF, there were two rookie DBs trying to make the squad. Cooper and Darryl Morris, a five eight guy out of a smaller Texas school. But, DM can fly and did a 4.33 on Pro Day. Both were expected to make it to the practice squad. Only Morris made it and, since, has been elevated to the 53 of the Niners. Dorsey swooped and took the more talented Cooper. BTW, Chad Hall was another of the Niners cuts picked up by Dorsey.

    • freshmeat62

      It looked to me that Cooper replaced Flowers on some plays. I just wonder if Flowers knee is bothering him. There was one play yesterday where Flowers was trailing by 5 yards, across the middle, the receiver he was covering.

      One thing I’ve noticed about the Chiefs D, is that while overall their team speed is pretty good, they don’t have that burner, that can catch someone from behind. That was one of the reasons I hated to see Carr leave. He had that speed to come out of nowhere and run someone down.

      And while on the secondary, did Lewis do anything yesterday? I saw him on the field, but did he do anything?

      • berttheclock

        Three solo tackles and that song was “One piece at a time”, Cash’s last top hit record.

        • kcpauly

          And it was a Cadillac he was singing about too lol
          Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!

      • Kisersosay

        Yea he missed a bunch of tackles……that is what he did….

    • KC Claussen

      While watching the 4th quarter it seemed the defensive mindset was ‘It’s our ball and By GOD! We’re takin it back!’ fueled in part by Cooper’s amazing interception. I don’t think I’ve seen the defense that aggressively try for INT’s in over a decade.

  • freshmeat62

    What was that song Johnny Cash sang about the car he built over many years by stealing parts from work? That’s kind of how I see the Chiefs offense. Put together, as my dad would have said, with baleing wire and chewing gum. On the other side of the garage, your Sunday going to meeting car, is the defense, a Cadillac (OK, I’m old – Cadillac is still my example of nice). Don’t know how those relate to winning a playoff game, it just came to mind.

    The Titans, and Cowboys are the best teams they played so far this year. I don’t think those teams are in the same category as the Broncos, Seahawks, Saints, probably the Patriots and 49′ers, Titans are probably in the 2nd tier. The Chiefs did beat them. And they beat them by coming back in the 4th qtr. That says a lot,especially on the road. I started to get a bad feeling in the 4th when Tenn. was ahead, but then I got to thinking, that this is still the Chiefs defense that has been so dominate, and the same 4th qtr. offense that has put together 4th qtr drives to seal 4 wins so far this year, I just felt, no worry, they’re going to win.

    Don’t even think about the playoffs yet – just beat the crap out of the Raiders.

    • Michael Shaw

      Agreed. Who cares about the playoffs right now. I am enjoying the wins now and think winning now helps us win in the playoffs. That whole winning mindset should just take over by then.

    • Jason Seibel

      But here’s the deal, the best team the Broncos have played is the Cowboys so what does that say about them?

      • Roc

        Exactly Jason, and the Cowboys only scored 16 on the chiefs and had their way with the broncos D

        • DXW

          True, but Romo played like a God. He went out there and played the absolute best game of his entire career against the Broncos, and he still lost. Plus, he was playing a Broncos defense that was missing seven starters. Next up Denver has the Jags and then a bye week. That’s two weeks to rest injured players, and when they come back, Champ and Von Miller are going to be playing, which means the D KC faces is going to be A LOT different.

          Also, didn’t the Chiefs only score 17 points on the Cowboys D that the Broncos put 51 points on? Except when the Cowboys played Denver, they were fired up like it was their Super Bowl.

          Denver 48
          KC 14

          • Roc

            Go back to brony land

          • Calchiefsfan

            I really think Denver is the best team in the NFL right now but there is no way they are going to put up 48 on KC’s D. No way. Manning will be facing the fiercest pass rush in the NFL and the best secondary they will have faced when they play KC. I just hope the Bronco’s are as over confident as you.

          • DXW

            Well, you never know what’ll happen by the time that game rolls around. Denver has been extremely unlucky this year when it comes to injuries, and a lot of it will come down to who is healthy. Right now the D is running mostly second string players. If that continues, the Chiefs might score more than 14 points. If they come back healthy, though, 14 points will be a stretch.

            KC has a great pass rush, but I have my doubts they’re fast enough to get to Manning within 2 seconds, which is the average time he holds the ball before completing a pass. On paper, it looks like a huge mis-match. KC’s pass rush against a battered offensive line of second-stringers, but you can safely assume KC won’t have anything Manning hasn’t seen and beaten before.

            KC is a good team, they might even make the playoffs this year, but they’re playing an unimaginative and unoriginal offense that will be exposed once they start playing real teams. I mean, come on… They barely beat the Titans, and if the refs were paying attention, they wouldn’t have.

          • Jason Seibel

            Do you even watch football? You do realize that 3 of the 5 teams the Chiefs and Broncos have beat are the same teams, right? You can blow the injury horn as loud as you want, but it doesn’t change anything. Chiefs have dealt with their share of injuries too already. Nobody here is denying that Denver is a great team, as much as it pains us. But you’re crazy if you’re overlooking the Chiefs, as good as their defense is, and coming off of a bye week. You’re crazy.

          • Kisersosay

            I am sure he was just as cocky going into the Ravens game last year……:)

          • DXW

            I was… It’s always painful to watch the better team lose… but oh well, new season.

          • DXW

            I’m not overlooking anything, but the Chiefs never ever ever ever live up to their hype. I’m sure they’ll be as pumped up to play Denver as Dallas was yesterday because it’s as close as they’re going to get to a Superbowl. But I can’t imagine them being able to keep up with Denver’s offense the way Dallas did, and if you can, then you’re not seeing clearly.

            KC’s D is a monster. No argument there. But do you honestly think they’re going to come out and confuse Manning? Honestly? Do you really believe they’re going to have an answer for all his weapons? How can they possibly cover everyone?

            They can’t, just every other team this year.

            So, if it’s a foregone conclusion that Denver is going to score on KC’s D, it falls on KC’s offense to keep up. If you think that’s a possibility, especially with Von Miller (Denver’s version of Derek Thomas) back there, you’re out of your mind.

            But you never know. Denver has been known to lose to lesser opponents, so there’s hope for KC.

          • Jason Seibel

            Let’s get a couple of things straight:
            A: There is NO version of Derrick Thomas anywhere. To say anything else is blasphemy.
            B: The Cowboys did NOT provide the blueprint to beating the Broncos yesterday. The blueprint for beating the Broncos is:
            1: Jam Peyton’s receivers at the line so hard that they fall off their routes. All of his routes are designed on timing. You disrupt that timing, you disrupt the routes. The Chiefs have an extremely talented secondary that can do just that with Flowers, Berry, Smith, Cooper
            2: Hit Manning in the mouth has hard and as often as you can. The Chiefs pass rush leads the league and there’s nothing your idiot linebacker Miller (who was so stupid as to not get caught once or twice but three times doing drugs) can do about it.
            3: Keep Manning off the field. The Chiefs drives eat up the clock. Manning can’t be all Manning like and score TDs when he’s not on the field.
            I’m not saying the Chiefs will win one or both of these games. But for anyone, even a small minded Bronco fan, to completely discount them and say something stupid like “maybe they’ll make the playoffs this year” is so assinine it’s funny.

          • DXW

            A: HA!… Well, blasphemy or not, Von Miller is every bit as dominant as DT was. And while he’s an idiot for getting caught smoking pot instead of holding off for a few months like the rest of the players in the league, that doesn’t change the fact that Denver’s D is going to look a lot different when he’s in there and teams can no longer double up on Sean Phillips, who is a marked improvement over Elvis Dumerville.

            B: That blueprint looks really good on paper.

            I don’t think saying “maybe the Chiefs will make the playoffs this year” is stupid at all unless you ignore history. Until the Chiefs actually do something instead of talk about doing something, they are what they are. It’s debatable that they can keep up this pace before other teams figure out how to pick apart their defense and expose them. I’m not saying that will happen, but we all know the Chiefs and their history. Sorry if that upsets you, but until they prove differently, they’re the same old Chefs.

          • Jason Seibel

            You’re right. Miller is the most dominant defensive player on the couch I’ve ever seen. And as far as “they are what they are” where did the Broncos watch the Superbowl from last year? Their couch, just like the Chiefs. Manning is a playoff choke artist. You wanna talk about they are who they are, well there you go. I’m not upset, dude. I like flying under the radar. It makes it all that much better when we punch teams like you in the mouth and you say “where the “F” did that come from?”

          • DXW

            See that ‘Manning chokes’ argument doesn’t really work when talking Chiefs football if you consider the Chiefs SB track record, but I get what you’re saying. You might be right. He might lose in the first round of the playoffs again, who knows. They lost last year to a much worse team, so anything can happen. I will say that there were a lot of non-Manning factors that contributed to that loss last year, and most of Manning’s “chokes” were on Colts teams that were no where near as good as Denver is this year. I guess we’ll see.

            The Chiefs could very well be that “punch in the mouth” team. I was shocked at how well Dallas played yesterday. I even think the Jags aren’t going to be the cake-walk everyone expects because there is a massive target on the Broncos right now, and every team they play is going to be HIGHLY motivated and be looking to make a name for themselves. The Chiefs won’t be any different, and they have the D to actually make things difficult. But the fact remains, the Chiefs are what the Chiefs are until they prove differently. Right now they are a talented team playing an outdated system of football against easy opponents, and still only scraping by.

            Can’t argue that.

          • ……ChiefsFan……

            I know I said I was done with you, but I’m not. You say every team wants to beat the donkeys to make a name for themselves, and the donkeys have a huge target on their back. I would ask why the chiefs would need to make a name for themselves against the donkeys, and the target is just as big on KC’s back. WE HAVE THE SAME RECORD!
            Von is no DT….that is just ignorant to state such. Von is your version of Houston at best.

          • DXW

            Because the chiefs are the Chiefs and they ALWAYS find a way to lose. They’ve won five games without blowing anyone out, and despite a good defense, they have a questionable offense that doesn’t scare anyone. Until they do something big, like beat Denver, it’s the typical Chefs talk we hear every year when they start strong and then whimper across the finish line without making the playoffs.

            On the other hand, the Broncos are the undisputed best team in the NFL. They’ve won 17 consecutive regular season games and are putting up Madden-like numbers while breaking multiple records every time they hit the field. The Broncos and the Raiders (vomit) have long been the cream of the AFC West. The Chiefs and Chargers have always been the ugly step sisters of the division.

            re Miller: Oh please… Houston is a poor man’s Sean Phillips, at best. Von Miller is in a different league than ANYONE on KC’s D. Whether you like it or not, he is this generations DT. He’s the best linebacker in the game, bar none, and every team the Broncos play have to game plan against him specifically or he will repeatedly sack their QB. Yesterday’s game was the first time the pain of losing Von Miller presented itself. When KC plays Denver, you’ll see.

            I’d just be thankful the Chiefs will have two weeks to prepare for the Broncos. They’re going to need it.

          • Jason Seibel

            Like I said, Miller is the most dominant linebacker on his couch I’ve ever seen. You might want to take a “wait and see” approach with him. Missing six regular season games is a huge kick to the junk…especially when you’re sitting at home smoking week and eating funions.

          • DXW

            Yeah, you go ahead and keep hoping that’s true, and that he doesn’t come back on a mission. If he does come back with something to prove… watch out.

          • ……ChiefsFan……

            Hide you fun ions ladies and gentlemen!

          • Jim bernard

            Your an idiot

          • DXW

            Your an idiot what?

            ~shakes head, walks away~

          • ……ChiefsFan……

            You have made your point. You are a donkeys fan and not a football fan. I have this strange feeling you recently figured this out about yourself, like, say…ummm, last year when Manning showed up.

          • KCMikeG

            You need to get your facts straight and learn some respect.

            DT had 126.5 SACKS vs 30 for VM – that NINETY SIX AND A HALF LESS – not even in the same state let alone zip code.

            DT had 11 seasons while VM has had only two season of production and if he doesn’t get his act together he will have no chance to even dream of reaching this level of performance.

            DT had double digit sacks in each of his first 4 years and VM let his chance at that record “go up in smoke” this year.

            DT recorded 20 sacks in his 2nd season which is greater than VM’s best.

            DT had double digit sacks in SEVEN of his eleven seasons with another at 9.5 VM has two.

            DT had 41 FF while VM has NO FR & 8 FF which is one less than DT’s NINE plus DT had 3 FR after his 1st 2 seasons.

            DT had 138 tackles in his 1st 2 years while VM had 105 – 33 LESS.

            MILLER FALLS SHORT EVEN WHEN COMPARING ONLY THEIR 1ST 2 SEASONS LET ALONE CAREERS. Miller has great potential, IF he can get his act together AND stay healthy, but has a million miles to go before he should even be mentioned along side the greatest ever in Derrick Thomas. Lesson learned. Enough said.

          • Darkwolf1414

            ChiefsFan is right. You’re not a football fan. You’re just a Broncos fan. Any football fan or anyone who has been around football for a long time knows that the good teams win close games. Bad teams lose games by 3 or 7 points and say, “That was a game we could have won!”, “We should have won that game!” or “We lost 7 games by 7 points or less so we’re not really that bad!” Again, the good teams win those close games because they have the heart and the ability, in the crunch, to impose their will. Just as Jamaal has ground out first downs to kill the clock at the end of games this year.

            BTW, not sure if you noticed this, before the season, but Denver has the 32nd ranked strength of schedule this year. When fans from our division opponents complain about our schedule; all they have to know is that we received the toughest strength of schedule in our division. Sure that’s based on last year’s records, as they always are, but it’s a fact. How did the Broncos go to the playoffs and get the league’s weakest schedule? The Chiefs’ run of games playing 3 of the NFC East teams from Week 2 – 4 was expected to be a murderer’s row before the season. Our schedule was supposedly front loaded with tough opponents. It didn’t work out that way. That’s the way it works in football, though. Let’s just figure that both the Chiefs and Broncos win this Sunday. Both teams’ strength of schedule through Week 6 will be .409 and it doesn’t matter in the end game whether you blew someone out or beat them by 1. Strength of victory is all the way down at #5 on the list to break a tie in a division.

            Here’s the strength of schedule article from NFL.com:

            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000137115/article/teambyteam-strength-of-schedule-for-2013

          • KCMikeG

            That’s right the Chiefs are what they are – UNDEFEATED! Can’t argue that. What the hell are you babbling about now? The Egghead choke factor in relation to the Chiefs SB track record? WTH? Last I checked the Chiefs SB track record EQUALS ONE WIN JUST LIKE Egghead’s ONE WIN. And his two SB appearances EQUALS THE CHIEF’S TWO appearances. Manning has a losing playoff record at 9-11. The Peyton Playoff Choke or PPC as we will refer to it from now on, factor is also a fact that can’t be argued.

          • DXW

            Yeah, dumb ass, that was my point. Chiefs fans shouldn’t hold up Manning’s mediocre SB record because of their own mediocre record.

            Jesus, between you and Jim Bernard up there, I’m really starting to wonder about the public school system in KC. You guys, come on… at least try.

          • KCMikeG

            Are you mad bro?? Must be if you need to call me names! Glad to see I could get under your skin! I was responding to your “the Chiefs are what they are” crap you were spewing. The Chiefs are UNDEFEATED – that’s what they are.
            Reality check. YOU were the one downing the Chiefs playoff/SB performances so Jason’s bringing up Eggoboy’s history of choking was spot on. I was just reinforcing his point by showing that they are identical in SB achievements. Tough shit if you don’t like it.
            By the way I was born, raised and educated in Iowa which ranks above dumbver public schools so spare me your condescension. I see you avoided responding to my DT vs vm post that shoots holes in your claims. Wise choice on your part. Run along little donkey boy.

          • DXW

            Oh, you’re one of those…

            Lucky for you, I have a policy of not shooting cripples. Since you’re obviously a Chefs homer with a very small brain and limited ability to understand the discussion you’re taking part in, I’m not going to take you down even further. Your life is obviously sad enough, despite your stellar Iowa public education that I’d put closer to Council Bluffs than Iowa City.

            As far as the DT vs VM rant… We’ll wait and see where VM is when he’s played as long as DT did, then we’ll talk.

            BTW, I won’t be the least bit surprised if KC loses to the Raiders this weekend. The Chefs have been running on borrowed time for too long this season, and when they finish the season 10 and 6, I’ll be here to laugh laugh laugh and remind you once again that the Chiefs are exactly what they have always been. A bottom feeder in the AFC West.

            Raiders 28, KC 14.

          • BigGil

            Thought better of your “better driver” comment and edited it out, huh? No wonder you’re trolling; you’re obviously a terrible human being that I’m sure no one in the real world would actually willingly choose to converse with.

          • KCMikeG

            Exactly! How sad that he doesn’t choose to be with his fellow donkeys in the barn. Then again as you mentioned they probably don’t want anything to do with little donkey boy either. Calls me a Homer like that’s something bad – duh! Being loyal to your team no matter what and focusing on the positives is how to enjoy being a fan to its fullest. I have never wasted a minute of my time trolling on our competitor’s blogs when it is much better use of my time here.

          • KCMikeG

            Bring it on big talker. It’s clear that the FEAR is rising in dumbver since you know you haven’t faced a defense as great as ours and now with the emergence of Marcus Cooper our DB’s are taking to the next level. Five more weeks and we will be shoving the ball down Eggheads throat right in front of horse face Elway. I love it when donkeys like you get all frustrated because they get exposed for being full of shit. As far as your DT vs vm comparison you know I schooled your as so now you want to wait for a decade to hope to back up your donkey bray? You ignored ALL of the areas that vm is already short of DT’s numbers in his first two years. Obviously your out of your league so just trot back off to the barn little donkey boy.

          • WORLDCHAMPSPURS

            ABSOLUTELY!
            We can eat the clock.
            And… that’s why you play the game!

          • Lyle Graversen

            Preach on brother Seibel!

          • Steve Carithers

            I will add another thing the Chiefs offensive line should do. Chop block Miller in the knees hard. Take him out for the season.

          • Steve Carithers

            I would laugh if Manning got hit in the head or in the neck and had to leave the game. He needs a concussion…..LOL.

          • Calchiefsfan

            And you guys barely beat Dallas. We beat Tennessee convincingly by shutting them down in the 4th quarter.

            The Chiefs are only 5 weeks into a new offense with a new QB. I really don’t expect the Chiefs to be comfortable with it until the end of this year at the earliest. Right now the Titans have a better D than Denver and we got 26 in that game, just sayin. By the time we play in week 11 it could be the 2 best teams in the AFC going at it. Don’t get too cocky, it will not be a blow out for Denver.

          • BigGil

            The Raiders scored 21 points on Denver, and held them to their lowest total of the year at 37… the Raiders… let that sink in…

          • Jason Seibel

            Which is why we play the game on the field every Sunday instead of on paper. The Broncos are one Poslunski hit on Manning away from having Brock Osweiler as QB, just like the Chiefs are one hit away from having Chase Daniel take snaps. Either of those happen and the game changes dramatically.

          • DXW

            Very true.

          • BigGil

            Which is why I’m taking KC game by game. They’re showing steady improvement, which is good, but I’m not gonna call them world beaters, yet. Any fans that take success now to 100% mean success later annoy me (Denver fans, Miami fans, Seattle fans, etc.). Hence why DXW is annoying me, and I felt the need to remind him that down days do happen, and that a down day for leading to a loss for Denver can (and probably will) happen before all is said and done (as it can and probably will happen to KC). What revs me more about Broncos fans is that a loss of Manning and the insertion of Osweiler could be greatly devastating, and the way their defense has performed thus far suggests that they may be more susceptible to failure at the turn of a one player event than the teams that are playing with an all around team effort. Of course, I could just like to see team unity in team sports… How about the Browns? They’re showing a lot of heart. I think that’s pretty cool. Don’t know if they can sustain it… but still pretty cool…

            P.S. As a lifelong PSU fan, I already love Poz… mortalizing Denver would just make me love him more.

          • DXW

            ~sigh~ You obviously didn’t watch that game if you think it was anywhere near being close.

          • BigGil

            I’m not saying it was close. I’m saying that the Raiders didn’t look nearly as hapless as they should’ve. IT’S THE RAIDERS!!!! Come on, man. Did the defense phone it in like SEA did with Jacksonville? Did Manning and the crew not try as hard? What the hell happened?

      • freshmeat62

        I’m not arguing that at all. And the Boys put up 48 against them. Right now, though, I’m more concerned about the Raiders. I live outside Knob Noster, about 60 miles away from Arrowhead. Come this Sunday, I want to feel the ground shaking here.

      • DXW

        The best team the Chiefs have played this year is the Cowboys, so what does that say about KC?

        Honestly, I don’t think beating the Cowboys is as easy as you’re implying. They’re the one team that I think is much better than their record. They lost that first game, but that was just a hiccup. After that, the only two losses they have are to KC and Denver, both undefeated teams, and those losses were only by a few points.

        I think the Cowboys gave the league the blueprint for how to beat the broncos yesterday. They showed that you have to put up 52 or more points (which means you have to hope Denver’s defense is injured and you get to play mostly second stringers like Dallas did), and your QB has to have the best day of his entire football career in order to have a chance. If you can do that, you might be able to beat Denver.

        • ……ChiefsFan……

          If you were so confident you eouldnt be hanging out around here trying to convice us the donkeys are going to beat the CHIEFS. You sound like you’re trying to convince yourself. Now shut up and move along.

          • ……ChiefsFan……

            •wouldn’t

          • DXW

            Well that’s just rude.

            The Chiefs have a good team this year, so it’s fun to come here and debate hypotheticals. I missed you guys last year. What’s the point in coming here if your team is terrible. You have to have two good teams and passionate fans to have an interesting conversation, otherwise it’s just shooting cripples. It’s certainly more fun here than on Bronco boards. People aren’t exactly arguing the merits of Tebow over there anymore… Life is more fun with conflict. Why not just enjoy the football season and everything that comes along with it and stop crying.

          • ……ChiefsFan……

            I’ll take beng called rude over being an arrogant asshole any day of the week. We can talk again in six weeks, because I’m done wasting my time on you.

          • DXW

            HA! Sorry for wasting your time. I don’t want to keep you from your busy life. I’m sure you’ve got to get back to blowing your uncle-brother in his trailer, am I right.

            Enjoy.

  • Blake Molina

    Our offensive philosophy is ideal to play against the Broncos,, because the key is clock management. We just gotta “keep metriculatin’ the ball down the field” and chew up that clock to keep Peyton off the field.

    But score when we’re in the red zone. Because the Donkeys will.

    • Michael Shaw

      I know that is the right philosophy, but after watching that game against Dallas, who the hell do we double cover? I mean if you double Bebe, then Decker, Welker and Thomas beat the crap outta you. If you double any of the other three, then Bebe gets lose, so I am really worried about winning against them. But that is why they play the games and Andy seems to have this team on his same page. GO CHIEFS!!!!

      • kcpauly

        I don’t think we need to double them, I think we have the secondary to go man press, Reid/Dorsey built this “D” for one team and one team only the Denver Manning, that is why all others have looked so pedestrian because they are not the Den. Manning. I call them that because he is all you hear about you would think there is nobody else that plays on Denver…I Yi Yi, I’m tired of hearing about ol’ Purple Head,
        Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!

  • Nicholas Michael Barnes

    I would be very happy if the chiefs were able to win at least one playoff game.

  • Nemoi

    Dallas kept up in the outrageous shoot out with the Broncos yesterday. We held Dallas to 16 points. This is my only hope that when Denver meets our defense, we might be able to keep them in check. If we can do this, at least at home, then I will start believing that we might have some success in the playoffs.

  • Chris Tarrants

    We really need to get our good blocking TEs back, nothing against McGrath because he has played his heart out but another good veteran blocker will help this line emencely. Reid also needs to figure out who he wants at WR and stick to it, that Hall kid yesterday was a joke. Bowe, Avery, DMC, and Hemmingway should be on the field to gel with Smith and this offense but when you start playing musical chairs then we regress.

    • Michael Shaw

      Agreed.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Yeah, what was up with 4 straight passes to Chad Hall at the start of the game? Especially when your best WR hasn’t seen the ball enough all season.

  • Michael Shaw

    I am good with believing that they are just good enough to be 5-0!!! GO CHIEFS!!!!!

  • Roc

    Ravens didn’t get things going last year until they fired Cam and hired Caldwell. I think it’s gonna take a convincing win over the broncos before I consider our team a contender

  • Jacob Crouse

    I just want to witness a playoff win in my lifetime

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Good work, Graversen. I have some deep concerns about this offense. They’ve come up big when necessary, but they need to be much more consistent. We’ve been pretty bad at producing points off of turnovers. That has to change.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Agreed, you can get away with that against other flawed teams, but once it’s playoff time and you’re facing the “big dogs” of the NFL, it won’t fly.

  • tm1946

    Big Reid fan, cannot give enough credit to Clark Hunt for tossing so much money down the toilet to get the other bunch out of KC but…..until the playoff berth is signed, sealed and delivered, I am just going to enjoy every Sunday’s effort.

    We all are concerned about the offense, why Bowe is MIA, draft is not healthy or doing all that much, and even with 14 on injury list the backups are stepping in without much loss in performance.

    We are in a new unfamiliar area, 5-0. But it is Raider’s week, stealing from Marty – I see a glimmer.

    • berttheclock

      I do not understand your “MIA” statement. He was targeted six times, catching 4 for 35 yards. McGrath was targeted 6 times and Charles 9. On one of those catches by Bowe, he came within an inch of breaking it for 50 yards and a TD.

      • tm1946

        Think if you add Charles and McGrath combined pay, it would not equal what Bowe is paid. No issue because one media type believes if the Chiefs really wanted to get the ball to Bowe all they have to do is run him in slants with a one step drop, no double team no chance Smith could not find him.

        No answer or real question from me but when you are the #1 receiver and get 9 mill a year I would expect more than down field blocking and a smile on his face. But that is just me.

        • kcpauly

          I still think Reid is doing just enough to win, with some tricks up his sleaves for the Donkeys, that’s why they are not targeting the Show, they want everybody to just kind of forget about him
          Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!

          • tm1946

            Not Reid’s history but ok by me. But how does a team “forget” the best receiver on the team…..Thigpen, Cassel, et al got the ball to Bowe no matter how bad the team did but 2013 not so much.

            Fear we may have a player who plays better when the paycheck is lacking but when he get what he deserves, he figures he has already earned it. Frankly, I am hoping I am wrong and more than prepared to eat crow and lots of it but….there is always a but.

            PS We got Hall involved where is Jenkins.

        • Lyle Graversen

          I agree, if KC’s offense is going to score enough to beat teams like Denver, then they’ll have to get more out of their best weapons and that means more Bowe.

      • Davé

        He was robbed of that TD. No way was it clear he stepped out of bounds

  • oldchiefsfan

    I BELIEVE!!!

  • ……ChiefsFan……

    I just visited the raiders site on here, and their fans are claiming the only reason we are winning is because of the refs….. Are all raider fans this dumb?

    • ……ChiefsFan……

      Kids forgot to mention, they are calling out our record. They are claiming we haven’t played a good team yet. Did I miss something here? Aren’t their two wins against the Jags and Chargers, with a loss against the skins.

      • berttheclock

        Fans of the Titans were saying the same last week.

        • ……ChiefsFan……

          That is true. I guess it just feels deferent coming from the raiders.

      • berttheclock

        However, one point about those Raiders. Pryor is improving and their losing the “Freeman Sweepstakes” may turn out to be a blessing for them. Someone at sfgate said “The Chiefs better be ready to play”. They love to bring up the last six games against the Chiefs. They fail to understand this unit is a completely different team.

        • ……ChiefsFan……

          I think this game will be similar to the last two against the Giants and Titans. It’s going to be a tough game, and it should be. That’s how all divisional games should be.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Let them talk, we’re clearly the better team so far. The only thing that worries me is that we’ve given up some QB runs so far this season to guys like Vick and Fitzpatrick and Pryor may be more dangerous with his legs than either of them. They need to get a lead early and force Pryor to throw the ball.

      • Davé

        We didn’t anticipate Fitz running so it was a surprise for sure. We do know that Pryor will run so I am guaranteeing Sutton will have a game plan in mind. This will be a blow out.

        • KCMikeG

          The dolts shut him down after the 1st quarter. Sutton will find a way.

    • KCMikeG

      YES.

  • berttheclock

    The great college and NBA basketball star, Gary Payton, was known as “The Glove” for his defensive prowess. After watching young Mr Cooper, I would suggest he hook up with some glove manufacturer to start a new line called “The Cooper”.

  • Trevor Gooding

    Its obvious our defense is stellar and our offense is still a work in progress, but it is only week 5 in a Andy Reid offense give them time. They will start gelling soon I have a feeling. The Broncos defense is pretty shaky in my opinion. They gave up 48 points to the Cowboys who we only allowed to score 16 points. Although on the other hand we only scored 17 points, but like I said it is early and we are yet to see the best of our offense and what they can do after some more chemistry is created. Because we have also been killed by injuries at the tight end position and have been lucky to get the production we have from “The Beard”, can anyone else imagine how much better our offense would be with a Fasano or Kelce going out on pass routes. Alex Smith favors throwing to tight ends, he did it plenty in pre season and has thrown a lot to them this season.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Good points, and I agree that the passing game should only get better as the season goes on, especially if we can get everybody back and healthy.

    • KCMikeG

      Good points. Reid’s WCO is driven by the TE position and we are playing with a TE we got on waivers a week before the season started. When Fasano and Kelce get healthy along with the great surprise “The Beard” has been our offense will shift into high gear. This along with getting the OL healthy will energize the running game too. Even though we have faced all of these challenges we are still #7 in points! The best is definitely yet to come.

  • Troy Utt

    It’s Raider Week! Obviously most all of us have re-evaluated our expectations for our Chiefs. The Titans win was not pretty, but it answered a question many of us had in the back of our minds… How would the team respond if forced to play from behind?
    This morning’s conversation turned to a couple other points. The first being our ranking & expectations with the 5-0 start. Our D is top shelf, the offense is coming together, special teams is second to none, we can compete… With both Seattle & NE getting beat I believe we move up to #3 in the power ranking, & my pre-season expectation of a 10-6 record now seems a bit modest. With Dallas hanging 48 points on Denver last night it reasurred me that despite losing Dallas was a dangerous team! Denver has not faced a good D yet this season, I am so looking forward to seeing them in weeks 10 & 13. The Donkeys are good…there is no denying this, But we split at the very least! Our boys are going to make a run this year… How far into the play-offs? We’ll have to wait & see… WAR CHIEFS!!!

    • Lyle Graversen

      I’m high on this team, but I don’t think you can count on a split with Denver, it’s possible, but it’s going to be a real challenge.

      • Troy Utt

        Lyle, Do you really not think that by week 13 with the way our defense is playing & that extra time given for our offense to gel, heal, & get back on the field we can’t split? Denver is good & beating them at Mile High would be near impossible playing as we did against the Titans, but I would like to at least think we have a chance come week 13 at home. Certainly stranger things have happened this season causing us to change our outlook & expectations… So here’s to hoping that the offense continues to make that needed progress, our OL steps up, the TE’s get healthy, WR’s gain seperation, & we keep on rollin’! In the mean time…WAR CHIEFS!!!

  • Tom Sparks

    As always, great read, Lyle. The Chiefs are most definitely a playoff team, and with Alex Smith (all QB’s have an off day, except maybe Peyton Manning, [so far! he's waiting until we come off the bye] but Alex he shook it off in the 4th Q, persistent perseverance) I think we have a Championship mold for Lombardi totting Team here! I still believe, after starting 5-0, with the improvement expected (just listen to the players in the locker room, after each game. They are totally buying into Reid’s “enjoy it for a day & back to the grindstone, because we NEED to improve to keep posting W’s”.
    Our team obviously has the D to believe! If we ever get Fasano & Kelsey back, that will be huge for the O, and I can think the o-line will get better, as the season grinds, that’s usually the case, if they can avoid injury. Stephenson did pretty well yesterday, even better than Fisher, although Fisher needs the playing time to improve!
    I say, if we can beat Denver once, and we (I know it’s a Pro Sports catch phrase, but) PEAK at the end of the season, he have a good shot at bringing the Glory back to KC! Like I’ve commented before, maybe it shows my age but, Lamar damn well deserves it & Clark may have (Did) dial up the right GM/HC tandem! And I know Lamar, Clark, Dorsey, Reid, & all the players would say, in unison, the CHIEF’S KINGDOM of loyal fanatics deserve it!
    Now, it’s time for the Faithfull in the Kingdom to ROCK Arrowhead with our Sea of Red on Raider Hater’s Week! They have had our number, at home, way too long! And this is for the Guiness Book of World Records, no less?…. Let’s ROCK THE RAIDER’S!!!!!!!
    Again, thanks for the great commentary & stats, Lyle!

  • PunjabiPete

    I had something profound to say, then while scrolling down saw Friday PMs hot chicks and forgot what it was. So, until I remember… **this space reserved**

  • Taylor Bieberle

    Just how good are the chiefs? GOOD! This team is winning with 30 some new players, running an entirely new offense/defense. There is absolutely no way they have gelled yet as a unit, especially on the offensive end. I love you all chiefs fans, but any negative talk about Alex smith has got to end. Seriously, the guy is simply put, a winner. Throw the deep ball harassment out the window, he CAN when the opportunity presents itself. He demonstrated that against the titans. I’ll take Alex smiths ability over most QBs in the NFL. He is the type of guy that can win an organization Superbowls. But seriously, who complains about a QB that wins football games? 5-0 for that matter. The only QB that’s outplayed smith this year is P Manning and D Bree’s. That’s it. And that’s if your a numbers guy. When does the “I just win” stat get recognized? Anyway, about the broncos, their defense is atrocious. I don’t care if it was Romos best game of his life. OUR defense shut him down. The Denver’s offense is good, but their defense will lose them games. If the cowboys D was just a slim amount better, they win that game hands down.

    • Lyle Graversen

      I love Alex Smith and think he’s good for this team, but there are more QBs that have outplayed him this season than just Manning and Brees. I get that they’ve lost and Smith hasn’t and that wins are the stat that counts most, but if you’re saying the Chiefs would be worse off with Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, etc you’re crazy.

      and I’m a Smith supporter!

      • Taylor Bieberle

        No that’s not my point, I’m saying at this point in time, AS11 is the QB I want running this team. Too me, he’s the perfect fit. He knows how to overcome adversity. We’ve needed a guy like this for quite some time!

        • Lyle Graversen

          That I can get on board with. If they can gel and get a little more production from the passing game as the season goes on, they’ll be a force to deal with.

      • Davé

        If we had Brady or Brees or Rogers we would be the best team in the league by far. We don’t though, instead we have Jamaal and an a awesome defense. The question is: is that good enough to be Manning and Brees?

  • WORLDCHAMPSPURS

    2 PLAYOFF wins would come close to satisfying my desires…
    A Superbowl would satisfy my dream!
    Beating the donks twice… and one playoff win… I’d be cool.
    I’m worried about the Colts!

    • Lyle Graversen

      I think if KC makes it to the playoffs and loses, I’ll be upset at the time. I think once the sting wears off, I’d still feel great about going from 2-14 to in the playoffs. Anything more will just be gravy.

  • michael mckee

    Atlantas is done.tony g deserves better.chiefs are thin at TE…go get tony g,helps our offense,gets tony g in the playoffs..

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