Feb 22, 2013; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Kansas City Chiefs general manager John Dorsey speaks at a press conference during the 2013 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports

2013 NFL Draft: Can Chiefs' John Dorsey Make A Deal?


The Kansas City Chiefs may be in the worst possible position to get good value out of the 2013 NFL Draft. Normally, having the first overall pick is seen as a reward. Just a few months ago Chiefs fans were celebrating the fact that despite their season of agony, they would at least have that coveted first pick. Then they got a good look at the players available.

The thing is, this isn’t a bad draft class. There are lots of good players. So many in fact that there are going to be several first round caliber players still on the board in the 2nd round. There just doesn’t appear to be any franchise changing elite players at the top of the draft. So to recap, the best value in the draft is in the mid to late first round and early second round. Exactly where the Chiefs aren’t drafting.

That’s why I said they are in the worst position to get good value. Teams drafting in the mid to late first round will get good value with their first round pick and teams drafting at the top of the draft, while maybe not getting an elite player in the first, are at least rewarded with the ability to get another first round caliber player at the top of the second round. Unless of course you’ve traded away your second round pick.

Now, I’m not bashing Alex Smith. In fact, I’m slowly coming around to the idea of him and Andy Reid leading the KC offense. I’m not anti-Alex, I was just pro-Geno and high on the value that was going to be available for KC’s 2nd round pick. I get why Dorsey did it though. In a year when many experts think there isn’t a good starting QB in the entire draft (cue discussion #1,272 on if Geno Smith will succeed or not), Dorsey was able to get his day one starting QB for a 2nd rounder. That’s not bad value (although other QBs like Carson Palmer and Matt Flynn are going for less). It just means that Dorsey traded away the ability to get value out of the draft in return for his starting QB.

That’s why John Dorsey needs to prove his worth and make a deal in order to get back into the 2nd round and get the most out of his first draft as KC’s GM. If the Chiefs stay put they are currently in position to get one starting (and hopefully Pro Bowl caliber) player with the first pick and then won’t pick again until pick #63. In a draft where the best value available is probably in picks #15-50 that’s not great positioning. Could KC land a day one starter with pick #63? Yes, but usually 3rd round picks start more as role players and if you’re lucky then they eventually turn into starters.

So if KC wants more then one day one impact player from this draft class John Dorsey needs to make a move. The most likely deal is that he moves Branden Albert to the Dolphins for their 2nd round pick (#42). Many KC fans don’t like this move. I’ve stated before in posts that my basic feeling is that if they don’t like Alert (for whatever reason) we might as well get something for him. However, that may force KC to stay put at #1 overall to draft his replacement. Trading the first pick would be the other obvious way to pick up another pick or two and get more value out of this draft. However, other teams are looking at the same draft board we are and may be unlikely to trade up in a draft short on elite talent. As has been discussed on multiple occasions, the best hope KC has is that somebody wants to move up to take Geno Smith since QBs are typically the only position worth trading up to #1 for (cue discussion #1,273 on wether or not Geno is worth it or not). The final option would be to see if Dorsey could perhaps package his two 3rd round picks in return for moving up into the early to mid 2nd round if there was a certain player they felt was worth it.

Bottom line, I really want KC to get back into the 2nd round of this draft. I believe there is a good chance that a player that they could get in the #30-50 range could end up having just as much of an impact as the player they take with their first pick. Here are a list of some of the players that are in the #30-50 range on most big boards:

Zach Ertz – TE – Stanford
Eric Reid – S – LSU
Matt Elam – S – Florida
Kevin Minter – LB – LSU
Arthur Brown – LB – KSU
Eddie Lacy – RB – Alabama
DeAndre Hopkins – WR – Clemson
Robert Woods – WR – USC
Justin Hunter – WR – Tennessee

So what do you think Addicts? Do you want KC to get back into the 2nd round as badly as I do? Do you have faith that new GM John Dorsey can get it done? Are you okay with trading away Albert, the first overall pick, or our two 3rd round picks in order to get it done? I look forward to hearing your thoughts in the comments.

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.wherritt Nick Wherritt

    I thought they couldn’t trade their second 3rd rounder because its a compensatory pick

    • chiefridgy

      U r correct

    • Chowder

      Correct. I think we will trade out of our first. Who knows what we will get for it. Also Albert will be gone.

      • Derek

        so they’ll do both; lose our starting tackle AND the pick??? that sounds like an absolutely terrible idea

    • Stacy D. Smith

      They can’t.

  • J.C. 007

    First off I don’t see how we can pass on picking Geno Smith. We haven’t had a first pick in I don’t know how long and even with Alex Smith we really should grab at a possible great quarterback. Alex Smith is a veteran and a B rated quarterback. We need someone who is going to lead our team for quiet some years and who knows we will get a chance at another fresh young quarterback and even if he isn’t a Manning we can build around him and he can improve. Second, I think we should keep Albert and trade Alex Smith for a second round pick or better.

    • Derek

      LOL so basically you want us to un-do the alex smith deal? call the 49ers and be like we changed our mind???!!!! lmao yeah if that’s how life worked nothing would get done. Face it, we’re fucked. this draft has been a disaster from the minute they started free-agency lol. As pro-geno as i am it’s the only move that makes sense at this point unless dion jordan can be THE GUY or we need more d-line like star. Otherwise no tackle is going to improve this team and win games. KC will just be at the same point we were last year and even worst next when we go into the draft one less pick due to the alex deal, still without the right QB and be picking around 17/18….which won’t get us nearly enough value unless we trade the farm and the kitchen sink–aka the raiders for jamarcus russel–on a gamble that could be even worse than Geno possibly. Short answer is there is no such thing as a sure thing so make do with what we have, take advantage as it won’t be happening again likely ever, and draft Geno. In the very least he gives the fans something to be excited for otherwise this off-season has been eh so far. I thought I would excited but we signed some average at-best players and ANYONE from GB should be avoided when it comes to LB or o-line. If isn’t a receiver or QB or a CB I want nothing to do with the packers hell the only good safety they had was woodson in FA–would love to see him go back to Oakland where he belongs just like I want to see TG back in KC… but seriously the packers are ATTROCIOUS as a team; if it wasn’t for Aaron Rodgers they wouldn’t be able to win shit. I hope the Vikings can finally give them competition–hate them!–lol enough about the rant though and my biases. Anyway if they can’t trade Geno off they have to take him unless Dion can be the man they can get on the field with everyone else otehrwise everything I read says he doesn’t fit our scheme…so yeah..Geno it is

      • J.C. 007

        I agree Geno Smith is our answer, but I didn’t mean give Alex Smith back to the 49ers. I figure we can get a second maybe a second and a third round pick for him.

        • JP Esler

          So what your saying is that we paid to much for Alex Smith (I derived that from everything you said about him in your first comment) but you want / think another team will give us more than we paid for him?

          • J.C. 007

            I was under the impression that we gave two draft picks for him.

          • Derek

            we did you’re correct but your post was confusing say cut and trade alex smith–yes we overpaid for him–would’ve rather had palmer put up over 4000 yards while alex might get 3100 for a 5th round pick rather than number 34 this year plus a second/third next year but that’s just my opinion a lot of hate on him for some reason even though he had a great season last year as an aging veteran with no talent behind him. Okay so ou want him cut and traded just to a different team for the same or even more value than what we originially paid for him?? That won’t happen. I would fine with the alex smith thing if we were taking Geno because then he would have his mentor (a lot of us here want that in fact) but it’s not gonna happen and taking daniel kind of solidifies it. Hopefully we can really improve our pass-rush with this first pick be it eitehr star or jordan but this tackle talk needs to just stop. We need a sexy impact player in the 1st and 3rd and then worry about depth in later rounds. I thikn kiko alonso and steadman bailey for our 3rds and kyle long in the 4th and tyrann matthieu in the 5th. Anyone like that prediction?

          • JP Esler

            Well the second pick is next year and is a conditional mid-round pick, you said 2nd and 3rd seemed like your implying no conditions, making the trade to be better than what we paid for him, I personally woudn’t mind Matthieu in the 5th because say what you want about him he made an impact at LSU. Alex Smith is better than alot of people give him credit for, and he’s young enough / smart enough to learn on the job by the same man who would be mentoring Geno, the difference? Hopefully we get the results now, not 3-4 years from now. Also, he can be good for another 8-9 years. Quarterbacks can play well into there mid 30′s. So I ask, what’s the difference in developing Alex Smith and Geno Smith? Alex Smith is accurate and has NFL / Playoff Experience. Not as big an arm you say? I say not as many questions, you know what your getting at the NFL level. Just saying that I understand people want us to draft our own quarterback, however, this just isn’t the year for it, cut and dry.

          • Derek

            you can argue that it isn’t but the problem lies in that THERE WON’T be ANOTHER SHOT. The team we have now barring injury issues causing a late fall-apart should be guaranteed at least 7 wins a season and could be even be as high as 10 or 11 but i predict a 9-7 season personally….anyway the problem is that when you win so many games whether you come up “close but no cigar” like we always have seemed to do you don’t get shit for first round picks unless you trade the house. What i’m saying is if we want to get the impact QB later it’ll cause us to trade the kitchen sink up for it and if that person busts like jamarcus russel did we’re in a far worst position if we just say screw it and take him now. If Geno busts we’re not out anything and if he becomes the pro-bowler I’m hoping for and a number 5 or 6 in the league quarterback in a couple years he was WELL worth it. So you tell me what have we to lose by taking him number 1 overall when he’s free to us? a tackle? pahleasssseee nobody gives a flying fuck about a tackle…now if miss on Jordan that’s another thing. personally I like the idea of jordan or star almost as much as Geno and with all the other moves in FA it only makes sense that they take Jordan if they can find a way to mak him fit our schemes that is as Jordan would have tremendous upside and pass-rushing is just as great a value as QB if it’s elite-elite AND he would have impact on this team RIGHT AWAY. Where as Geno would probably be at best competition for second string right away but in a year or at most 2 whoever gets him is going to be loving the pay-off; it just wont’ be KC. I dont care I’ll love to watch him play whereever he goes. I ride that Geno wagon til the wheels fall off baby!

          • JP Esler

            Ask any QB if they give a “flying fuck” about a left tackle and i GUARANTEE that they will care who’s watching there BLIND SIDE. But that argument aside, Geno Smith is not worth #1 overall in my opinion. Look at the below avg defenses that he faced during His senior year in College and FAILED. Do you think he’s going to fair well against the Donkey’s Defense?!!?!?? SERIOUSLY!?! You can’t just look at his 70% Completion rating as a whole, you must look at the defenses he played against. Add in that he had good to above avg receivers and it takes even more away from him. The fact remains though that when you look at the teams he played and did well against vs the teams he played and did not do well against you can see that alot of his stats came from “gimme games”. Games that the school knew they would win when they made the schedule.

          • Derek

            i understand your comment but GB uses a 5th round pick at LT for christssakes and Rodgers gets sacked like 8 ties a game YET they will still win 12 games a season so it’s ALL ABOUT THE QB. Alex Smith is no way better than Aaron Rodgers everyone knows that. The 49ers are just a afar better team lol so yeah. Anyway that combats your LT is important nonsense. As far as Geno goes…his D gave up 38 points a game what do you expect. The kid still put up fantastic college numbers and on a complete team with an o-line, running game, and TE’s and a D Geno will be unstoppable. At the next level should he succeed and his footwork be corrected permanently the kid is going to the pro-bowl no doubt in my mind. More talent than anyone on our current roster. If he has the brain for it that’s yet to be seen. We have the same issue with trick shot right now as well. But I think Geno Smith has a better shot making it than trick shot does sadly. Geno will come in and be a mix between ryan tannehill and andrew luck….he’ll succeed. He just won’t be doing it for us and all teh fans can piss and moan then after they ate up this tackle BS. Either draft Dion or Eugene as theyr’e both “sexy picks” and can play with impact. Taking a tackle doesn’t win games. Otherwise hell just draft a tackle a every round and alex smith and 10 tackles can win games apparently….

      • krayfish

        Dion all the way, and no Leon…Dion. His comment was funny…call the 49ers and request a re-do…”Hey Jim…its Andy..uhhhhhh…”

        • Derek

          yeah I did laugh but he was saying just trade alex to someone else he had to clear that up for me but I honesty at first thought he meant call him and say we changed our mind lol

    • Lyle Graversen

      I was all in on Geno too, but it’s not happening.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    I just don’t see a trade down happening at this point. Too many teams in the Top 10 have addressed their problem at quarterback. The Eagles are the only team left that might consider it. Hopefully there will be enough interest in Geno that they’d pull the trigger on the trade to avoid losing out to Jacksonville.

  • Ben

    I think we need or second round pick, because it will be better than our first pick

  • TAZMOSIS

    With teams like Arizona, the Raiders, et.al. signing other teams leftovers at QB, it throws a monkey wrench into the Chiefs getting value for the first pick. These teams looked at the same QBs available in the draft and just didn’t see a top-round guy, even Geno Smith, that they can commit to giving up an extra pick to move up to get him. Now, R&D really have their work cut out for them, especially with the Albert situation. The Chiefs are just not in a very favorable position to move down or rid themselves of Albert for picks. Good luck.

    • dominicscarlatti

      Unless we can get Miami or another club to part with a 2nd rounder in this draft, I think we are stuck at #1 overall and stuck with Albert. Now, if Lane Johnson blows out his knee in a b-ball pickup game, or something like that, then Miami would be forced to trade for Albert or take their chances with someone like D.J. Fluker. Otherwise, as I’ve been predicting here for days, they will shun a trade for Albert and move up in the 1st round to get Lane Johnson.

      • Lyle Graversen

        No way is Lane Johnson on the board when Miami picks. The latest he goes is 11 to SD. Miami would probably have to move up to 6 to get him for sure since the Cards at 7 may take him.

        • dominicscarlatti

          I think you’re spot on correct, Lyle. I too think they have to go all the way up to pick 6 to get Lane Johnson. Unfortunately, they have the picks to accomplish that, if they desire. The Cards really need an OT.

          • http://twitter.com/RusselAzul Russel Azul

            I think they would have to go up to 4 or 5 actually, simply because there is no way Cleveland gives up the chance to get Dee Milliner

  • toperspective

    I’m ok with the giving this years 2nd round pick for Smith…giving up a pick next year was completely unnecessary. I’m also ok with trading down in the 1st round as long as they can still get one of the top tackles.

  • Brody Hall

    Ur not allowed to trade comp picks from the NFL… Ie brandon car pick

    • micah stephenson

      We hav 2 3rd rd picks 1 which is tradable.

      • dominicscarlatti

        The higher pick, which is our own (1st pick in 3rd round), is tradeable.

        • micah stephenson

          Duh I know that. Wit yo GENO SMITH hating ass! Lol

          • dominicscarlatti

            As I’ve posted umpteen times here, I like Geno and would be very happy with him as the pick. Your real beef is with other posters who don’t rate Geno highly as I do.

  • KCPauly

    I hope they do something good to offset the terrible deal they gave for AS, I am not an AS hater either I just think Reid’s mancrush on him cost us too much for what he is, we could have saved our 2nd. drafted Geno and let him sit behind Cassel or some FA veteran, if Reid is such a QB Guru he should have been able to work a system around Cassel for a couple of years, like Weiss did and saved us $1mil and our draft picks, I am not impressed so far with R&D but I will wait it out…GO CHIEFS!!!!

    • Lyle Graversen

      Sounds like we have similar thoughts, but I trust Reid (for now). He clearly wanted Alex so we’ll see what happens. I just really want to get a 2nd round pick back.

  • David Fritch

    Dorsey showed his hand when he started looking to trade Albert. He has his mind set on drafting an OT #1 and he wants a second round pick instead of 2 highly paid Left Tackles.

    • Jim Harper

      With the new wage scale he would not have two highly paid LT’s

      • David Fritch

        I thought after the 3rd year we would have to pay the average of the top ten OT salaries. Kinda hard to give Albert a long term deal with that on the horizon I think.

  • Jim Harper

    It looks difficult at best that we can trade down. This draft is good, but there is just not that have to have player that teams will trade up for. Miami is probably out best bet for trading Albert. If I were Dorsey I would drop our request for another pick for next year and just accept a 2nd this year. If that does not happen then I think we keep Albert and if nobody will trade for him then let him walk next year, take Joeckel this year, and have him start at RT and move him to LT next year. By that time Stephenson may be ready to assume the RT spot. Now for all the people who think we should draft Geno just think that if he was all that good of a choice don’t you think we would have trade partners galore?

    • NathanaelL

      if I was going to let him walk next year I would put him at rt and put luke at lt because I don’t need him jumping back after getting used to one side.

      • Jim Harper

        You are probably right. The only reason I would go the other way is because Reid said publically that he would never ask a player to play out of his position and he also stated that Albert is a very good LT, so to move him to RT would be going against his word which I just don’t see him doing.

    • Derek

      you’re outta your freaking mind trading a franchise left tackle for a gamble on the escond pick…I like a lot of the players there but if they trade albert I’ll be pissed if it’s not for at the very least 1st and 2nd next or i’ll take 2nd this year and 1st and 3rd next I could handle that. Anything less would be robbing KC again ust like the alex smith robbery

  • NathanaelL

    would not mind them picking either of the two LB or S that you put up there. would like to have lacy but thats just being greedy we need a ilb

  • NathanaelL

    well I like the ideal of trading for a 2nd round pick two impact players better than one. I don’t see them paying a rt franchise tag or selecting and paying a rt at the # 1 spot.

  • Danny W

    I think I’ve said this before but I’m pretty sure Albert isn’t going to get traded. They shopped him publicly and didn’t get anything done so I’m doubting that all of the sudden on draft day they (Miami) can’t somehow manage to grab one of the top three left tackles coming out of college. Mike Mayok said on Path to the Draft that he thinks the top three could be as good as Joe Thomas or even better. Albert isn’t anything close to that. So why wouldn’t Miami just use their second pick to come up and get a top left tackle? We’re drafting number one and unless we throw in some lower round picks and next years picks I highly doubt we get into the second. Which sucks because I would say I want in the second round as badly as anyone.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Yeah, Miami is probably waiting to see if they can get one in the first and if not may still deal a 2nd for him after their first pick.

  • ArrowFan

    I think we should draft Geno as Alex Smith Insurance and we needed Alex Smith for Geno insurance so the trade is a bad one. I remember noticing on more than one occasion last year that if we only had a QB we would have a pretty good team.

    • Derek

      this is what all the fans have been crying about for months now…personally I’m with you because I just have the most faith in Geno but in the suits don’t then I guess we look elsewhere…personally what pissed m off the most was the Daniels bullshit. THAT was a bad deal too not because of his talent but because of the reasoning they did it; They did it so alex would be “comfortable” at KC. Fuck that kid being comfortable give him some competition to only push him further. If he’s worried about the “kaepernick curse” then he isn’t good enough to be a starter period.

  • Jamie Denton

    In my opinion I would love to see them get back into the 2nd round, but with that being said I think with this draft there will be quality players in the 3rd as well, and two 3rd’s would be a high price to pay for a 2nd in my opinion! The only way I see getting a 2nd in a positive way is finding someone who wants Geno bad enough to trade up to 1 for him in exchange for their 1 and their 2. Or to trade Albert for a 2nd which I have mixed feelings on then draft either Joeckel, Fisher, or Johnson, Maybe we get lucky and one of them fall to us at the 2nd or we could use one of our 3rds to trade and our 2nd we get for the Albert trade, to trade back up into the late 1st to get one of these OT if they are available! and use our overall 1st on someone else leaving us with a 1st, a 2nd or if we trade up another 1st, then a 3rd as well since we have two 3rds. I know wishful thinking, but someone might be crazy enough to go for it, and one of the 3 tackles might fall to us in a late 1st I have seen stranger things happen!

    • Derek

      the only way we’ll get back into the second is we actally take Geno and then trade him to jacksonville….because jacksonville can’t for a minute be thinking gabbert is the guy and they can’t for a minute think we’re taking anyone but jordan or fisher…so they’ll jsut take him number 2 overall as it won’t cost them anything and KC screws themselves again unless they trade albert which I dont’ understand how that’s a good thing; isn’t the dude like a top 10-12 in the NFL?

      • Jamie Denton

        I still think Buffalo may have an interest in Geno. Or maybe even Philly, so they might look to trade 1′s and a 2 to go in front of Jacksonville! or Philly might even work out something in a trade of 1′s and a trade for Foles if they think Geno is a better option for their new Chip Kelly system and they know coach Reid has an interest in Foles no matter who we have signed. Then we would have A. Smith, C. Daniels, N. Foles, and then Stanzi could be moved to the practice squad, and goodbye to trickshot Tanney!

        • Derek

          why would yu send trick shot packing…the kid has more talent than anyone on the roster. Stanzi meh we’ve never seen what he was capable of but if he coudlnt make it during the quinn-cassel show then he’s gotta find work elsewhere other than football lol. Finally Foles hasn’t been anything special and though he has upside Geno has way more upside so dont’ compare either of them. Personally I would love to see trick shot be somebody btu he needs to learn the game first. Honestly I thikn daniels and Geno would make that kid even better but this is all guesswork. If you want anyone’s back-up I think kellen moore is the best of the late rookies FAR better than anything nick foles or blaine gabbert or brandon weedon or any of them so-so guys. At least moore is smart as a whip and has great instincts and anticipation. I wanted him last year personally…so eyah Geno makes the most sense now if Dion Jordan isnt the best guy and is zeke even a top-5 worthy prospect or wouldn’t he be even more of a reach than Geno?? Buffalo might be willing to do that trade BUT i still want a future pick as well their second….we need to worry about drafting in the future because this draft is FUCKKKKED lol

          • Jamie Denton

            As far as trick shot I am not sure of his college talent all I have seen is his youtube video which anyone could create givien the proper editing tools. The reasoning on Stanzi over him is Stanzi actually had draft potential, but agree I do not understand why we haven’t seen anything from the kid since being drafted, hence moving him to the practice squad or even letting him go! My reasoning for Foles is we both know he is a coach Reid project and that he must have seen something in the kid or he wouldn’t have had interest in trading for him early on, and wouldn’t have drafted him in the 1st place in Philly! as for Kellen Moore IDK anything about the kid so I will leave that open! As for geno I am not sold on him, and from listening to all of the so called experts his downfall is inconsitancy (sp). But if I were the Chiefs and had to pick 1st as bad as I hate to do it as it is not the exciting option I would go tackle with either Joeckel/Fisher as Jordan would be a nice fit but we need someone to start every down this year not just special packages and sub packages. But I agree on the fact that if we did a Buffalo trade I too would trade 1′s this year, get their 2 this year, and something next year as well possibly another 1 or 2. and for your opinion on the draft I agree, but I have to add if they keep changing the rules in football in general the game itself will be F#*@!$…….. I can see making some changes but instead of changing the way the game is played lets change the protection the players have to wear depending on position! I remember when I started out playing in 2nd grade all the way up through high school it was mandatory we wore knee pads, thigh pads, shoulder pads, etc. and I don’t remember hardly anyone getting the amount of leg and knee injuries we have today! yes it slows down the game a bit I agree but I would rather watch a slower game with no rule changes, than a faster game of flag football!

          • Derek

            i got a good laugh out of your conclusion….but long story short from what you said, sir, I actually know a lot more that somebody for once in these posts and usually it is me who is behind lol mr Scarlotti will testify to that. Anyway, what I really think you should do is watch some tape on tanney and moore and foles as well as geno and compare them all feel free to give me what you come up with but you’ll see they all have their weaknesses. As for Geno’s inconsistency I can’t stress it enough it’s been cleared up tremendously over the past few months because Eugene Smith has been training with Chris Wienke over at IMG; the same place a lot of players like russel wilson and RG3 went too and weinke even said that kid has tremendous potential and has made a huge turn-around because of his amazing work-habits. He’s a true workhorse and will make it I have no doubt. How good he’ll be regardless of his tools is up to him and how his brain acclimates to the game. WV had what appears to be a complex offense but really it wasn’t. It was a lot of the different looks but similar play-calling from different positions (1-back, 2-back 3-back sets for instance but could be used interchangably throughout their play-calling; so yes a little simplified compared to like Kellen Moore over at Boise St who john Gruden commented on saying if he doesn’t make it as an NFL star then he’d make one hell of a pro football coach–now that’s saying something and not too mention he has anticipation like like drew brees or matthew stafford. Trick shot as our current roster sits is the best arm period no questions asked. And if you honestly think trick shots vid was fake he did it for a tv show once live and he was asked to do things that he didn’t do in the video and still accomplished them with rediculous precision and timing like throwing into a moving truck from the roof of a building at a 45 degree angle….yeah it was a insane. It was called “Superhumans….” had to do with the marvel comics guy lol. Anyway I’m getting a little off-topic at this point. The real question is look at a QB like Aaron Rodgers–which coincedntally enough Geno is often compared too–the way he escapes in teh pocket and extends plays with the worst O-line in football and will go out and make the play-offs and win 12 games…..clearly LT is overrated in reality. We need to stop putting so much importance on tackles and look to improve the talent on the roster. I want Jordan to be a fit and get him on the field for all 3 downs one way or another. However if that doesn’t work then the only other gamble in the draft that makes sense is low and behold Geno Smith. I get that he could be a bust sure but so could anyone else INCLUDING your joeckle dick-bag. So why not take the gamble that will have the highest pay-off because Geno’s ceiling trumps ANY tackle ten-fold AND won’t cost us anything extra. There isn’t anything to lose here when looking at opportunity-cost. If we pass on Geno and Alex Smith gets us to a respectable 9-7 season we’ll be stuck drafting around 17 or 18 at which point any QBeast of the future will be long gone unless we don’t pull an Oakland and sell the farm to move-up for him and what if he thn turns out to a Jamarcus Russel bust??? yeah sets the team back for 4 years. That just isn’t smoething that can be afforded and should be avoid at all costs. So now what say you, sir??

          • Jamie Denton

            To be honest I am not one really wanting to be in a QB argument because I am trying to look at it from our new coaches eyes and not from my own! my only opinion on our QB situation is as it stands at this point it appears that our new coach and gm have made their choice where the QB situation is concerned and whether I was pro Geno or not has nothing to do with this discussion! I am trying to look past a QB situation that has been taken care of aparently and look at what is next in line via the draft and our choices to make what we have now better through the draft taking out the conversation of the QB completely! In those reguards I welcome anyone’s opinions but when it comes to proving who is better at the QB position I am the wrong guy for that conversation, and won’t even debate the fact! I claimed in my earlier posts to be QB stupid for the most part and I stand by that statement!

          • Derek

            lol then the guy has to be jordan who else is left with value? I didn’t ask you which QB I just gave you reasons why tackle doens’t make sense overall. It’s less important than ppl think.
            BTW most current research says Geno might fall to the browns at 11 after they trade with SD so san diego can get their tackle at 6…..showing that san diego is out of the BA sweepstakes which leaves on miami and they haven’t budged clearly. It looks as though albert will liekly be playing uner the tag with us. So what happens now at KC do they grab his replacement and make his day worse or address it later?? I say later and take teh player with teh most impact now which has to be defensive in which case Jordan if they can scheme it so he fits. Otheriwse I dont’ see any other options other than takeing Geno number 1 and trading him like the Eli deal.

          • Jamie Denton

            I like the Jordan pick as I see Tamba getting older and unfortunately he doesn’t excel where pass coverage is concerned. He also got slower as the game went on last year, but to his defense, the defense itself was on the field way to much last year for anyone to get a break, especially our pass rushers, who were obsolete after the other team took the lead and ran the ball the rest of the day! As for the tackle position I am still torn between Joeckel and Fisher but am starting to lean a little towards Fisher if we go tackle because he has a toughness about him, and although he isn’t as polished, I think he can become a better OT down the road. But with the spread becoming such a big part of the NFL the OT isn’t that important position it used to be, and the good tackles like Long found that out in free Agency and the Chiefs are finding that out now while trying to shop Albert! And while the subject is on Albert he may play under the tag this year but I see him gone come hell or high water come next year! He is not a team player and only thinks of himself, and do we really know that much about his back issues? I have degenerative back disease and my back started out as just spasms too, I had good days and bad just like Albert and now I have to have injections just to be able to walk and bend over! This is why I see them going OT, as I really don’t think they (coach Reid and G.M. Dorsey) think he is healthy enough for a contract extension or they wouldn’t be trying to shop him around so hard! Sure there’s the number 2 they want back but I think there’s more to it than meets the eye! So in my opinion I still think we get rid of Albert for a No. 2 then if we can find someone to trade 1′s with and gain another 2 and a 1 and 2 next year that would be awesome! But lets just say we get rid of Albert because of injury concerns in the future and gain a 2 for him. Then I could see us either getting the OT, or Jordan at 1 or even your idea of drafting Geno and trading him for more picks! Hell I REALLY LIKE THAT THOUGHT! THATS TRUE TEAM THINKING! LETS BUILD A TEAM THROUGH THE DRAFT!!! then lets say we get Geno or Jordan at 1 let me ask you this, if lane Johnson was still available towards the end of round 1 would you trade your 2nd and your compensatory 3rd to move up and get him? Because if we spend the 1 on Geno or Jordan, then I know Joeckel or Fisher would be gone by our next selection! or is their someone else past Johnson as good as Albert we could get at 2 without trading up?

          • Derek

            why not just wait it out and grab long early in the 4th? he’s teh son of Howie so that has to be worth at least taking a flyer on again a tackle which as has been pointed out isn’t as key as everyone here seems to think. Denton you agree with me and micah and pauly that all this tackle business is obnoxious and doesn’t take this team where it needs to go. For some reason ppl are still thinking this team can be as good as 2003 with “the Beef” at O-line which was nice when it mattered back then but this new offense doesn’t require star tackles. It’s about getting rid of the ball quickly in the short-intermediate passing game. If alex smith is incompetent enough to do that on his own then the whole smith trade is a bust by itsself. Give me aaron rodgers and the worst O-line in football over smith and the best….QB is where it’s at. Makes sense now only to grab Geno when I talk like this though and since that’s not happening I’ll gladly settle for a compromise involving jordan and a later round tackle and keepiing albert around. If he’s gone after the tag next season so be it we’ll address that tackle need then but this is not the draft to worry about something so mundane and trivial.

          • Jamie Denton

            As for the “Long” I was referring to it was Jake Long from the Dolphins as my reference was to free agency and how hard he was having finding a team! But I like your thoughts as well!
            But I feel the OT position will be reflected by the type of offense we run! If we incorporate some sort of spread offense we are going to need and aggressive OT that is athletic enough to get out and block as well! Thus the BIG BEEFY OT might not be the best option! But with that being said looking at it from Coach Reid’s point of view which I have tried to do all along he is known for the BIG BEEFY O-Line from his Philly days! But everything is so mysterious right now that who knows exactly what type of offense he will be running? This will depict who they keep and or pick for an OT. But bringing in coach Childress to be his “spread anylist” or whatever he is tells me that they could be looking to add some type of spread to the offense, plus prepare for it as a defense as well!

          • Derek

            also if it were possible to take the alber replacement in the 1st eww BUT grab 2 high second round picks that I’m fine with that call if we dont’ have to give up anything else. Then we grab Cyprien and arthur brown or even better cyprein and trufant! or wait Cyprein and ERTZ!!!!! okay i’m salivating with that line up: new Draft plan: fisher/long, cyprein, ertz, bailey, alonso, mathieu, boyett (tons of depth AND playmaking for this D!!! MAYBE ppl will actually vote me UP with this line-up!! Also who then can we come up with as 4th-5th round back-up RB for cyrus gray/Charles?

          • ArrowFan

            Sure anyone can be a trick shot QB that is why so many other people are posting videos of them doing the same amazing stuff.

          • Jamie Denton

            That was the point I was trying to get across but was proven wrong! I guess he has done the same thing live on a tv show or something, but I still need to look at some game tape of the kid in college to get a better perspective on him as a player against other players! See how he plays under pressure, how his throws are to actual people because like I posted all I have seen on the kid is the youtube video! I know this is bad of me, I am an avid Chiefs fan and I don’t even know enough about the kid to even be able to tell you where he went to college! Guess I will head to kcchiefs.com and do my research!

          • Derek

            LOL he went to Monmouth and set rediculous records. However he played at a division 3 school…that was a mistake on his part he was like a dwarf among midgets when it came to his skill set. So yeah I agree the kid needs to learn the speed of the game and reading blitz packages and audibling all that; that said, Geno did all of the very well at WVU. The jury is still out on tanney because he only played literally 2 minutse of the preseason game against the pack last year but on throwing the ball was 1/1 for lik 31 yards…that is pretty exciting for being his first NFL pass so I will keep the kid in the back-ground to see if does in fact develop. Note that play was called back for a hold on our rookie o-line which improved as the season went on so maybe he’ still very much legit. Again don’t send him packing yet. Now stanzi on the other-hand I don’t have any hope for. Tanney did better in preseason in his 4 snaps before he broke his hand getting crushed lol.

          • Jamie Denton

            Thanks Derek! you saved me a lot of time!! and as for Stanzi I really liked him in college and was glad the Chiefs grabbed him but I truly think it actually had more to do with the Pioli/Ferentz (if I spelled that correctly) connection than anything else. Plus since he was drafted let’s just say our coaches have had a multitude of opps to put him in and see what he had, but chose to go with everyone else on the roster but him for some reason! So here’s my question most teams keep 2 to 3 QB’s on the active roster and without getting into a lets draft so and so lets just say the Chiefs draft a 3rd round QB that is a quality QB on everyone’s board that gives us A. Smith, as our starter C. Daniels as our no. 2 then we have our Draft pick QB from this year, plus Stanzi, and Tanney. Ok we go with one of the remaining 3 on the active roster giving us 3 active QB’s can we keep the other 2 on the practice squad, or is that to many QB’s?

          • Derek

            I have no idea Denton. I haven’t looked into who makes the team and who doesn’t so much as I’m focussing on just players I believe have a shot and value for KC. I too would like to have seen stanzi as would probably everyone but they refused to do it and i’m not putting complete faith in the coaches here but if NOONE is talking abotu stanzi in any positive kind of light it probably means he won’t really be mking this team much longer when there are better options. As for trick shot hell keep him at camp at least. Personally I thought most teams kept 3-4 QBs as chiefs have had 4 for some time now so I don’t see any reason to mess with taht formula. Hopefully while Chase is learning/developing so can everyone else. I am just dying to see what Trick Shot has come up with I mean he has had a full year now to study film and get with teh program/play-book (with exception of any WCO changes of recent obviously). Who knows maybe he’s smart as a whip and picked a lot of it up and in a year could be ready to move to number 2–would be so sweet but probably just dreaming. Maybe we’ll get an interview or some press about him soon enough. Anyway he gives the fans something to ponder and isn’t costing anything so why not keep around another year at least and see what he’s capable of? Certainly it can’t hurt. Note there a couple of teams in teh league using 5 QBs currently but I doubt all of them will actually be on the roster other than camp/practice bodies, especially when you look at the Jets and the all-over style QB prospects there.

  • Canad-Ian

    Good article but you can’t trade compensatory picks.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Yeah, I knew that, not sure what I was thinking. It would probably take their 3rd and next years 2nd then which is pretty steep.

  • Da Menace

    Yeah I’d love to see the Chiefs get back to the second and see Ertz be picked durable fast and good hands kid

    • Derek

      zach ertz has been my favorite tight-end all season. big man, good hands, good speed and can get down the field and high-point that ball. TE’s are clutch players when you need those 3rd and 5 situations that are bound to be a problem for KC especially…I would love the ertz pick as well but I think Green Bay gets him to be honest maybe Eiffert instead but they have a need at TE as finley is just plain AWFUL and crabtree is depth at best no real talent or size.

  • Philip W

    A franchise LT is bad value. Using our 2nd rd pick for a proven NFL is bad value. The only thing bad is this article.

  • Parkie

    As a long time football coach and fan I can’t believe all of the negativity. That is not a great way to rapidly build a team. The Chiefs have many holes that won’t completely be upgraded enough in one year. Leave the QB situation alone till next year! There will be lots of evidence on what to do then. Rookie QB’s like the super 3 from last season are the exception rather than the rule. That is true of many other players who can show if they fit into the new system or not. We should have a much better salary cap surplus next year as we won’t have to fill so many gaps. We still have multiple back-up openings that need to be dealt with this season as injuries do happen. We are close to being a team with a winning record for this season but we need to fill the spots with usuable people in this draft to make a playoff run. Beside the immediate need of O-line, inside LB, 2nd RB, and 2nd Center, we will also need to improve our recieving corps, the return game, interior pass rush, 2nd LBers, another safety and 2nd outside pass rushers. Some combination in the draft like FB/TE might be needed. PLAYOFF TEAMS don’t have so many weaknesses and those weaknesses can’t be solved by one player! Get on board, the Chiefs will be a lot more fun to watch and cheer for in 2013-14

    • dominicscarlatti

      Agree 100% with your identified roster need areas.

  • http://twitter.com/RusselAzul Russel Azul

    EVERYONE: If we were going to draft Geno Smith, we would not have traded for Alex Smith or picked up Daniel! End of story! I’m sorry, I am, but Geno is just not happening.