Dec 6, 2012; Oakland, CA, USA; Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer (3) throws a pass against the Denver Broncos at the O.co Coliseum. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee/Image of Sport-USA TODAY Sports

Were the Chiefs Too Aggressive in Acquiring a Quarterback?


Dec 6, 2012; Oakland, CA, USA; Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer (3) throws a pass against the Denver Broncos at the O.co Coliseum. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee/Image of Sport-USA TODAY Sports

About two weeks before it could even be officially announced because of league rules, the Kansas City Chiefs traded their 2013 second round pick and a conditional 2014 second round pick for Alex Smith, the quarterback who lost his job due to injury and watched on the sideline as his backup took the team within a score of a Super Bowl win. It’s hard to fault the Chiefs for making a deal for Smith so quickly; after all, I’m sure there were several teams in the hunt for him, but the Chiefs made an offer the 49ers couldn’t refuse, and the deal was a lock. But were the Chiefs too quick to pull the trigger for Smith?

Like I said above, the Chiefs executed the deal about two weeks before it could even be finalized. Instead of letting the market develop and come to them, they were pre-emptive in their search, and got the quarterback that Andy Reid had a man-crush on since his days at Philly. But by taking Smith, the Chiefs didn’t give themselves a chance at other opportunities.

Let’s start with the draft. By acquiring Alex so early in the process, the Chiefs didn’t allow themselves the opportunity to hold private workouts with any of this year’s quarterback prospects with a legitimate chance to go first overall. GM John Dorsey and Head Coach Andy Reid made up their minds that Geno Smith or any other quarterback wasn’t worth the first overall pick very early. What if they misjudged Geno or someone else? Sure, they could still take him, but now they’ve invested three high draft picks over two seasons for two quarterbacks. It seems unlikely that the Chiefs will do that.

Next, by the Chiefs getting Alex, recently available quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb, and Matt Flynn weren’t options. Would I rather have Alex Smith as my starter? Yes; but it’s closer than you think. Carson Palmer was traded to the Cardinals for a conditional 7th round pick. Kevin Kolb was released from the Cardinals. Matt Flynn was traded to the Raiders for a 2014 fifth round pick and a conditional 2015 pick.

If you’re saying that Alex Smith is by far the better quarterback, I won’t argue too much. But looking at the price the Chiefs paid and the price that these other quarterbacks were available for makes it a little more complicated. Let me run some numbers by you now: in 2012, Palmer threw for 4,018 yards and a 61.1 completion percentage in 15 games for 22 TDs and 14 INTs (better than you thought huh?). Although Kolb was oft-injured and took two seasons to collect 15 games, in his time in Arizona he had 3,124 yards for a 58.5 completion percentage with 17 TDs and 11 INTs (and let’s not forget his connection with Andy Reid, who initially went with Kolb over Michael Vick after trading Donovan McNabb to the Redskins). And Matt Flynn, although never getting the opportunity to start a season as a starter, threw for 480 yards with a 70.5 completion percentage, 6 TDs and 1 INT in his last game as a starter, which came in 2012 against the Detroit Lions.

If the stats above don’t impress you, let me remind you that Alex Smith has only thrown for over 3,000 yards once in his career, has never thrown for more than 18 TDs in a season, and has only completed a full 16 game season without missing a game twice since entering the league in 2005. That’s why a trade for a player like Palmer makes sense to me, especially with the cheap price tag that it included. Even Kolb makes me consider it because of the success he had when Reid was his coach in Philly.

While Alex Smith might fit Andy Reid’s system, the Chiefs could have had more options at the quarterback position if they had waited until recently to acquire a quarterback. But by being aggressive, the Chiefs got the quarterback they wanted, but for a steep price. So what do you think Chiefs fans: should the Chiefs have let the quarterback market develop, or did they make the right move in getting Smith early? Fill up the comments section with your thoughts!

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  • chiefridgy

    I think if we would have waited we would of been in a bidding war against a couple other teams ie: buffalo or Arizona and maybe could of ended up possibly paying more. Although Flynn played well in that last game he hasn’t played since and is a bit of an unknown IMO. ( and I’ll pass on Palmer)

    • Chief Hokie

      You think any team would have given more than two second round picks for him?

      • micah stephenson

        That 34th pick is dam near a 1st rd pick.

        • KCMikeG

          Yet still a 2nd.

      • chiefridgy

        Nothing is impossible. Look at what Oakland gave up for Palmer

        • KCMikeG

          And look what they got for him. Their continued flailing about episodes bring me such peace.

          • chiefridgy

            It is very savory

      • Jim Harper

        We did not give 2 second round picks. We gave up a 2nd and a mid round pick to be determined. Most likely a 3rd.

  • Johnny Ubben

    Yeah.. when I saw how cheap Palmer was, I got a little bit of a sick feeling, but it’s nothing new, I’ve always thought we over paid for Alex.

    • David Fritch

      Yes I agree

  • micah stephenson

    Of corse they paid too much! The 49s like Alex as much as Chiefs fans like Cassel. 49s prolly was thinking “we wud like to trade him for a pick if we can, but if we might haft to cut him”. A team like that cant want much. All the Chiefs had to do was say “yall gon cut him anyway & nobody is gon give you more than a 4th, lets us slide u this 3rd, well take him off yo hands”.

    • michael carey

      Yeah, I agree that Smith and Cassel are exactly the same…can you believe Cassel was only 19-5 as a starter the last two years… and had a qb rating of 104 last year…oh wait, that was Smith.

      • micah stephenson

        So what. Cassel had a 11 & 10 win seasons taking his team to the playoffs.

        • Michael Shaw

          An 11 win season with an 18-1 team that only lost one game the year before, the super bowl. Had nothing to do with Cassel, Micah. YOU could have won as QB with that team!! Matt’s 10 win season here was because of Charlie Weiss’ ability to create an offense around him and his lack of QB ability and us not having any major injuries. Matt sucks as a starter, period, end of story. I will say he is a good back up similar to Todd Collins era in the NFL.

          • micah stephenson

            You totally missed the point. The point is a QB playing good on a 49s or Patriots wont b as good on the Chiefs.

          • Michael Shaw

            You are missing my point. Alex is a better QB all around than Matt. He is capable of making a decision quickly and doesn’t hold onto the ball for 7 seconds, which has led the last two seasons to unnecessary sacks and turn overs.

          • micah stephenson

            O Alex is going to b holding on to the ball longer now. These wrs dont get open very fast.

          • micah stephenson

            Forgive Cassel for not going 16-0 his 1st season starting as a QB. Why did brady only have 10 wins with Cassels 11 win team the yr after?

      • micah stephenson

        You can put alot of QBs on the 49s and they gon win alot of games. Those same QBs aint gon win as many games on the Chiefs.

        • Derek

          we should’ve traded cassel to the 49ers lol then we could actually see this debate play out

          • micah stephenson

            We already seen it. You take Cassel or Smith and put them on the patriots or 49s and they are decent. U put those same QBs on the Chiefs and they aint as good.

    • Troy Utt

      That is simply not true!!! The 9r’s fans still have nothing but good things to say about Alex Smith. Even after the trade…we have had them here on “AA” with their “Congrats, you’re getting a great player!” I believe that says alot…

      • micah stephenson

        Yea just like Pats fans was pissed they lost Cassel and told how good Matt is.

        • Troy Utt

          Doesn’t even make sense… and it would seem you are going to continue to ignore the truth! Why does that not surprise me with you???

          • KCMikeG

            Actually there is some truth to Micah’s statement Troy. There were articles written after Cassel’s 11-5 season about Brady’s ability to come back from the devastating knee injury. I don’t know how many but there was support for Cassel being the NE QBOTF.

          • Troy Utt

            I have no doubt there was on that level. I was only referring to the fan’s at that point… As just after the trade there were comments to be found on about every forum from 9′r fan’s… from espn, to AP, to here on AA…
            A couple of side bars… Did you catch tonights episode of “Path to the Draft” on ESPN? The picture of what D&R’s plans for then1st pick is hazier each day, but I was watching the clips of the OT’s as I really had not seen as much on Fischer or Lane… Joeckel would appear to be a steady everyday workhorse… But Fischer seems to be just plain nasty!!! If they feel the need to go O-line, I think Fischer is where it’s at!
            No matter who they draft, they will have every opportunity afforded them at top shelf competition in pre-season… How about that schedule???

          • KCMikeG

            I still say if he had stayed in NE or if we had not been the chaotic cluster**k we were when Cassel arrived he could have been a good (NOT great or elite) QB as he showed in 2008 & 2010 but the lack of weapons, protection and coaching contributed to his collapse.

            Totally agree with you on Fisher’s nasty attitude. I have watched a lot of film on him and he is a beast. If we do end up taking an OT with our 1st pick I would prefer Fisher, Johnson and then Joeckel. The resigning or franchise tag of Albert and/or further FA activity at OT like Smith, Clabo or McKinney would really open up the options with our 1st pick from Geno, Star, Milliner, Jordan, Minter or Patterson.

  • Jason Seibel

    I’d take Smith again and twice over Kolb.

    • Michael Shaw

      I feel the same way with Alex Smith over Palmer, Kolb or Flynn. Jamie Dukes said it best, some QB’s are just back ups period. Flynn is one of those guys.

      • Jason Seibel

        Agreed!

  • berttheclock

    Flynn set his stamp in a game with little meaning. Both Detroit and GB had made the playoffs and the game became a shootout in GB with GB winning 45-41. However, significant that Philbin and Dorsey both passed on him. Schneider took a chance on him, but, PC made him compete with both Jackson and Wilson for the starting job. McKenzie had liitle choice but to take him. RM needs to cut cap and Flynn is cheaper than Palmer. BTW your stats on Palmer do not reflect his long ball capability. His stats were not much different than Flacco’s. He had several passes for over 40 yards, last season, and they were not the catch first run second for that 40. If Arizona can find some support for him, it will be bombs away with Fitz. Palmer would have not fit AR’s system

  • unclejesse40

    My feelings on this are pretty simple. Palmer was a Raider so I highly doubt that they would have traded him to us for a 7th or even at all if another team was involved. I also think it should tell us something that Kolb didnt make it here with the history he had with Reid. If Reid was truly sold on him as a starter I think they would have gotten that deal done. Flynn is such an unknown I would only bring him in if we had another QB in the fold in case he just couldnt make it as a starter. Having one good game when no one has a scouting report on you is different than putting an entire year together. I wasnt thrilled when we first traded for Alex Smith I am a Nick Foles fan. But the more I watch what the top brass is doing, I can at least say they have a plan that looks like it just might work. I am also the crazy guy that wants us to bring JaMarcus Russell in on the league min. contract and see what the big boy can do. If Reid is truly the QB coach that we think he is, it would be in JR’s best interest to come to a team like KC, strong coaches, good rb’s and little to no expectations that you have to be the savior. Oh and dont forget that A. Smith has a injury history so if you came here, worked your butt off, you could see yourself getting a start or two.

  • redchiefs

    My kids always asked what if questions, and I generally reminded them I don’t answer what if questions. R&D knew who they wanted and got him. Now, they need to be sure he has the weapons around him, and a good line in front of him.

    • berttheclock

      As Moses Malone once replied to a question of whether or not he was paid too much, “Boss say it cool, it cool”.

      • redchiefs

        Exactly right. Andy Reid looked at all the talent that would be available to him; on the current roster, free agents, in the draft, and possible trade partners out there. Coach Reid looked genuinely pleased he could get Alex Smith, and he has watched Alex since college. I trust the coach, so does the GM, and so say we all.
        GO CHIEFS!

        • KCMikeG

          Reid didn’t even glance at Kolb. Nor Dorsey at Flynn. That speaks volumes for me.

          • David Miller

            How do you know?

          • KCMikeG

            How do you not? I didn’t speak directly with either of them but based my comment on the lack of reports on Kolb or Flynn coming here, no work outs or negotiations and they were both late round picks that were traded away on their watch combined with the following:

            Reid was “hired” in Arizona before we got him. If he had any interest in Kolb wouldn’t that have helped to seal the deal? Instead Reid passes on the Cards and the QB he traded there to come to KC with no QB’s.

            Kolb said he was reading Reid’s signals allowing the Cards defense to know just about every play that was coming in their game last year. Think that embarrassment might have played into Reid choosing KC over AZ and his complete lack of interest in Kolb?

            Jamie Dukes, a former Cardinal and now an analyst on NFL Network, has a theory on that and shared it Friday with Doug and Wolf on Arizona Sports 620.

            “I found it telling also that Andy, while he flirted with the idea of coming to Arizona, he didn’t want any part of Kevin Kolb,” he said. “What that tells me is that until they solve that quarterback issue, it doesn’t matter who they bring in.”

            Reid & Dorsey wanted a starter not another back up, wing & a prayer or has been QB.

    • Doug McD

      They got the best player available for their system. No need to wait if you have confidence in his ability to work the system you are using. With what was going to be available they knew they needed to move fast. As far as the compensation, I think it could land on either side. But do you really want to take that risk with what little difference it could have been?

      You have to look at the big picture also. When you look at their moves so far, it appears like they think they can win now not later. Give AS 8 regular season games and we will not even question this again.

      I think we still draft a QB this year.

  • ladner morse

    I think a much larger consequence of “not” trading for Alex Smith early like that could have been the way everyone now views Geno Smith. If other teams thought the Chiefs were more serious than they are now about drafting Geno, then his value would be higher and the Chiefs would be in a place of greater leverage when it comes to trading the first pick. It’s always been this way in the field of sales — the first one to name a price — customer or sales person — is usually the loser. The Chiefs acted quickly — which may turn out to be a good thing in the long run but, by doing so they may have wasted some potential value in the process. We’ll never know now unless, Alex Smith becomes a Pro Bowl performer and Chiefs fans go to sleep happy at night.

    • Jason Seibel

      Amen!

    • Calchiefsfan

      I think it’s going to be very interesting to watch quarterback needy teams and how the handle themselves as we approach the draft. Desperation and worry have a way of setting in on teams under intense pressure to get “their man”. I don’t think we’re even close to seeing things played out yet. If one of those teams even remotely believes Jacksonville might take Geno then everything is still in play.

      • KCMikeG

        So true. Many things are TBD like Albert staying or not that will clarify our draft needs.

  • berttheclock

    This trade does not even come close to the worst move ever in trading for a QB. That would be Chicago giving up a 1st for Rick Mirer from the Seahawks. One of the reasons I am adament about building your left side of the O-line first, then, finding a quality QB is I witnessed the “Next Joe Montana” being destroyed as a QB in Seattle. Rick Mirer was taken at Number 2 in the ’93 draft and forced into the lineup. He made AFC rookie of the year, but, in his second year behind a terrible line, he caught the Yips, either, in holding the ball too long (27 sacks) or running for his life. His knees went, plus his confidence, yet, Seattle was able to con the Bears into givng up a First for him So, Mirer joined Carr, Mike Phipps, Joey Harrington and other “Can’t miss QBs” who were all wrecked behind weak o-lines.

    BTW, I still believe the offensive line should be improved for Alex Smith.

    • micah stephenson

      Hell yea. our line needs to b better for A.Smith. He need 5 probowlers blocking for him. And a TE. And a FB.

      • d-block

        I’m all for building up a top notch O-line. I’m not exactly sure why you hate the idea. Remember when the Chiefs could actually score points? They had a pitiful defense but now their D is somewhat respectable.

        • micah stephenson

          Whoa! I dont hate the building an oline. I hav been wanting that for years. Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asomoah, Stephenson are all high picks. When we gon quit being cheap at QB. And I dont mean A.Smith.

          • berttheclock

            Picking high is one thing, but, proper evaluation before the pick is something entirely different. You mention Asomoah, but, did you know Veldheer, who ended up being more highly rated than Albert was left on the board for Oakland? Pioli could not evaluate talent and only lucked into Houston because he wanted to prove that everyone else was wrong. Turned out to be a great pick, but, had he been a 1st rounder in the eyes of others, I doubt if Pioli would have taken him.

          • micah stephenson

            Asomoah is good.

          • KCMikeG

            After Reid shows people how to properly utilized McCluster many will be eating their serving of crow on that pick too. Many of his picks are to early to tell and are still developing. If Jackson is so horrible why did the new regime keep him? People just got to be hatin’.

          • KCMikeG

            Could have sworn Eric Berry was a absolutely great pick. So when he gets it wrong it’s because he doesn’t know how to evaluate talent but when he gets it right he’s lucky. Got it.

          • d-block

            I see. My mistake.

          • Danny W

            I think Allen and Stephenson are going to be busts brother. Just an intuitive feeling I have on this. I think Scott Pioli was horrible at drafting players.

          • micah stephenson

            I dont. They played good and will both get better.

    • PunjabiPete

      Great response bert!

    • micah stephenson

      Myer, Phipps, Harrington, & Carr! Lol. Who told you those guys wur cant miss QBs? lol. The best olinemen in the world wudnt help them any. This guy loves giving us Rick Myer references. Lol. You starting to remind me of myself. You just dont eva give up do you? Lol

      • berttheclock

        Rick Mirer went 2nd in the ’93 draft and the hype on him was the “second coming of Joe Montana”. Remember, much of that was part of the vast Notre Dame hype machine, but, when, any QB is taken that high, he should be a “Can’t Miss”. I lived in Seattle when Ken Behring, who was the owner but he really was a Raiders fan, took him and the Seattle papers were full of how Mirer was going to put the Seahawks in the SB. Similar to the raves in Detroit about drafting Joey Harrington as he was hailed as the one who was going to save the Lions. Carr was, also, very highy rated when he went to Houston. Learn something about pro football, Micah. It is far more complicated than just getting on a Band Wagon for a particular player. BTW, it is great to look back at failed careers with a “I told you so”, but, you really had to be there to see how they were viewed when they were first drafted. There was a huge debate about Ryan Leaf and many felt he should have gone first over Bledsoe. How did that work out?

        • Calchiefsfan

          Actually the debate was Leaf or Peyton Manning. Unbelieveable! I remember watching Leaf vs. Brian Greise in the Rose bowl and thinking that Greise looked more like an NFL quarterback than Leaf. Hype can certainly affect people’s opinion, even professionals. This is what has me worried about Geno Smith. I’m just not sold on him as a sure thing.

      • Spencer

        Carr got sacked 76 times in 1 yr behind that “texans line”…he was sacked 208 times in 4 years…i’m sorry but David Carr fits the bill of sucking because he had no one there with him…no o-line, no RB and only 1 receiver..who was very young still…David Carr is a perfect example of worst situation possible (no talent around him, all backups, oldies who can’t find a job elsewhere and journeymen…

        the others such as Harrington sure…but Carr deserves to fit the bill of being killed by his own team

        anyway…the O-Line/this team is better then most believe IMO…when u have the QB play and Offensive scheme (run outside with Charles…dump it off tio Bowe here and there) it hurts the entire team…O-Line did good last year for the majority…despite being literally destroyed by injuries and having 3 rookies (Lilja a rookie at player C) getting major playing time…and yet we graded out as a top 15 line by a majority of sites despite said injuries…only issue is RT…and even then its more getting depth then anything…Stephenson could start at RT with either Schwartz or Allen backing him up (Allen being able to play LG/RG/RT as backup as well as Schwartz with the same ability…then C with Hudson who was looking good till his injury (maybe draft Barrett Jones with the 3rd rnd pick???if he falls that far)

        Defense was underrated because of multiple issues last year (literally basically never could play with a lead/go into attack mode in the 4th for the outside linebackers and let them just go hammer after the ol opposing QBs) teams could run a lot more often and bang up our D do to knowing all they had to score was 14 pts to beat us (look at our avg pts/gm when u get rid of the 4th qrt scoring of which was inflated due to garbage time pts) bla bla bla…going on to far with this

        Biggest issue IMO at this point is getting another pass rusher for the front 7/defensive linemen…Bailey has potential but hasn’t been able to do much…would love Jordan or Ansah at this point (it looks like we are playing more of a hyrbid 3-4/4-3 defense of which would allow us to play a small 3/4 defensive linemen possibly then the normal run stuffer

        • micah stephenson

          Our oline is good. Why compare our oline to the old texans oline? Its no comparison.

          • dominicscarlatti

            Because YOU cited Carr in your comment and he was making a point about proficiency in pass protection and its relationship to the development of a young QB.

          • Spencer

            couldn’t put it better then dominicscartatti

    • Da Menace

      Course not every QB had to play against Derrick Thomas or Neil Smith…but yes I do feel your point.

  • micah stephenson

    Yup they paid waaaay to much. You tell the 49s “you can have our 4th rd pick take or leave it, cus we gon take Geno anyway”. That 34th pick is dam near a 1st.

    • Derek

      THAT IS EXACTLY what we should’ve done trading anything higher than 4th for a back-up QB or two year stop-gap was INSANE!

      • micah stephenson

        2 yr stop gap? If he was a stop gap we wud b drafting Geno. Alex is it man. They plan on trying to win with A.Smith.

  • Justin KIRK-LEWIS

    We gave up way to much! Giving up our second rounder while it’s pretty much another first for a qb who hasn’t playe thru an entire season! I don’t know anymore, but R&D are supposed to know what they’re doing.

  • berttheclock

    Aaron Rodgers is one of the only QBs who could win behind a make shift O-line. He did so bcause, he has very quick feet to set up for throws and he had five receivers who could get open. The Chiefs have had Bowe and Who Else?

    So, unless the offensive line of the Chiefs is improved and more legitimate targets are added, it will matter little whether a Two was too much to give away. BTW, I would feel the same way should Geno be taken. Remember, he had the great tandem of Austin/Bailey to bail him out. Playing behind a very weak o-line, he ended up using his arm only far too much for his throws. He really did not have much time to use his feet to set up.

    • Danny W

      Yeah Alex Smith got good when his O line became tops in the NFL. I’m not saying Alex cannot succeed with Kansas City but I’m saying our pass blocking has to be tremendous. He holds onto the ball for a long long time. He takes a lot of sacks with a top o line let alone what we can offer thus far.

      • sidibeke

        Perhaps this is why we let Winston go? We better get that RT spot nailed down though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Larry-Vandesande/1692334818 Larry Vandesande

    Yes, Chiefs were aggressive acquiring Alex Smith — but they had to outbid other teams for him. The other quarterbacks signed and traded for since that time were not in demand as was Smith. Chiefs overpaid for a couple other free agents, notably that other Smith, Sean. That’s what happens when you pay the going cost on the first few days of free agency…or, in the case of Alex, agree to a deal before it happens.

  • kmon

    I have been saying we gave up too much for him since day one, but everyone says oh we’ll get it back in return in wins, He’s a good qb (which he is) we did what we had to do, what a load of malarkey lol. Tops a 3rd rd and a conditional next yr, and I stress TOPS. what if he gets hurt? what is chase actually out plays him (slim chance), what if he plays like cassell or BQ9 (terrible nickname lol) only one way to find out

  • oldchiefsfan

    I wasn’t happy about giving up a 2nd round pick for Alex Smith and wanted Geno Smith.

    However, I would rather have Alex Smith over Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb or Matt Flynn if we were going to go with a FA QB. At least Alex Smith is relatively young and has shown an ability to win on a relatively consistent basis.

    There are 3 basic thoughts for me now as we approach this season
    1.. I’m A Chiefs fan
    2.. Alex Smith is our QB
    3.. I am going to support our QB

    • tm1946

      Also Alex Smith is the guy Reid went after. I suspect he is more aware of what he was looking for and needed for the Chiefs than most posters, at a rate of 100%.
      I am riding with Dorsey/Reid.

  • Troy Utt

    The 9′er’s did not have to get rid of Alex Smith…They were not in cap trouble, & with the cap friendy deal that CK is playing under having AS was not only smart, but it was a very economically estute game plan! Had Reid & Dorsey waited, or allowed for other teams to get involved that would have done nothing but driven the price even higher! As a fanbase sure we wish we could have gotten something for nothing… But the fact of the matter is, the new brass identified that there was not a QB in the draft inwhich they were comfortable with to entrust our offense to…Thus it was necessary to strike quickly to ensure we had the man who in the last two years has developed into the type of leader we will need to lead & motivate this team that we so profoundly cheer for each Sunday, not to mention all the new FA pick-up’s we have all been excited about in the last few weeks! WAR CHIEFS!!!

    • KCMikeG

      Excellent comments.

  • freshmeat62

    I thought at the time of the trade that it was too much to give for a backup. And now that we see what other QB’s, Carson Palmer (a starter) and Matt Flynn, are gong for, I think maybe R&D could have done a little more negotiating. But whats done is done, so now lets make sure and not make the same mistake Pioli made when he brought in Cassel of not giving him protection. Build an O-line.

    • sidibeke

      But A Smith is a starter, and his numbers last year were good…top 5 TQBR. Doesn’t mean this will carry over, but he wasn’t a back up.

      • Scott Mahurin

        Smith WAS the backup at the time we traded for him. He has never started over 10 games during a season during his 8 year career. He has either been benched or injured or both every year. It remains to be seen if he can stay healthy, regresses or continues to improve under a different coach.

        • sidibeke

          Whatever dude.

  • cd3382

    Agreed, I though we could have got another draft pick as well. I also do think Alex Smith was the best QB out on the free agent market as well.

    • Scott Mahurin

      Alex Smith was not a FA. He was, in fact, a backup QB, under a two year $9.5M (bloated) contract. The 9ers were NOT going to pay him that much money to be a backup. We knew he was available and would be traded or cut. The problem is: we out bid ourselves to obtain him. Nathan is absolutely right. The Chiefs acted out of desperation/zealousness and WAY over paid. Chase Daniel was a real head shaker. $10M…for an unproven, UDFA, backup QB…WTF?!!!!

  • Bigtexjayhawk

    Geno Smith is going to be the biggest flop since Jemarcus. Write it down. Bookmark it. He is a system QB. He is frail. He has a poor attitude. He will get hurt. Let the. eagles trade with us please!!

  • ArrowFan

    We paid the current going rate for a off season QB trade no more no less.

    • Danny W

      Apparently not. Possibly two second rounders is woefully expensive. We gave San Fran way to much.

  • Derek

    Definitely a bad move to get alex how they did….Palmer would probably put up good enough numbers for way less of a draft fuck-up–am I reading this correctly that palmer went for a 7th round pick!? I would of jumped on that in a heartbeat; the dude is worth a 5th or 6th at the very least….and we wouldn’t need to trade albert for that second back…at this point I want 2 seconds for albert and nothing less otherwise the trade isn’t worth it unless we get a first second and third for next years draft. Look it’s Geno or bust at this point…alex isn’t the future and he shouldn’t even be considered it at what 29 or 30 now this year? he’ll lead KC to 7-9 possibly 8-8–anything beyond that is fantasy

    • Jason Seibel

      You said one thing right. Geno is a bust. Oh wait…you said Geno or bust. My bad. Nevermind.

      • micah stephenson

        Lol. Good one. Lol

    • sidibeke

      I think Palmer is done; really probably was before the Raiders broke the bank.

      • KCMikeG

        But luckily they did it anyway!

      • Derek

        really? but he put up good numbers for someone on his way out…

  • Adrian Morales

    Yes

  • berttheclock

    Hey, Micah, if you should come back to this thread, check out the stud blocking for Palmer in the photo above. The one blocking for the blind side of Palmer. Number 68. He is Jared Veldheer, the stud LT for the Raiders, who was rated as the 11th best LT, last season. Albert was rated at 13. Pioli took Asamoah and left Veldheer for the one pick Al Davis did right. At that time, Albert could have been moved to guard before he found out LTs earn more than OGs. That is what I meant about the lack of talent evaluation by Pioli.

    • Danny W

      Also we got Jeff Allen in the second round and we could have had Mike Adams whose a very solid starting right tackle for the Steelers who was rated to go into the first round. Obviously a better pick than Jeff Allen.

      • micah stephenson

        I like Mike Adams too but Allen can still b good.

        • KCMikeG

          And everything is so clear in retrospect.

    • micah stephenson

      You keep bringing up Asomoahs name like he scrubby. He is good too. Wat good is Veldheer when he his blocking for Palmer?

  • Danny W

    At the end of the 2012 season I kept saying over and over to make it my mantra that the Chiefs needed to leave no stone unturned and no dollar unspent to find a franchise quarterback. I would have been fine with it if they would have drafted Geno Smith in the first and then EJ Emanuel in the second then spent a third round pick on Alex Smith and picked up some boss O linemen in free agency.
    They did get some new blood in here at quarterback but they gave up pretty close to a first rounder for a guy who has his ups and downs and everyone feels like this is deja vu including myself. In my opinion it was way too much to shell out right a way.
    Chase Daniels hasn’t done anything in the NFL (Matt Flynn anyone) and we gave him 10 million dollars. Okay this is fine no dollar unspent. Were we have seemingly failed is we won’t draft a quarterback now with that much money spent. If it were my team I wouldn’t have given the number 34 pick or a second rounder this year for Alex Smith but would have given them a conditional second in 2014 if he would have led us to the playoffs or something. As it sits now it was way too much. In my opinion that high second rounder could have been used on a much needed linebacker to help get our defense over the hump.

  • Calchiefsfan

    Alex Smith was and still is the smart move. He’s better than Palmer or Kolb and Flynn is too much of an unknown. Let the Raiders make that gamble.

    I’m with Bert, build the o line with quality and depth like we had with Vermeil/Saunders and Trent Green. With a quality o line we have the rest of the personnel to be a top 5 offense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/genemyuk Gene Yuknis

    what a sad article !!!

    • Jason Seibel

      Why?

  • Jim Harper

    I read about half way through the comments and had to stop. The Monday morning QB’s are out in full force. I want to personally thank all the NFL experts taking time out from their busy football schedules to post on AA. But somebody needed to come forward and try to correct the mistakes that Reid and Dorsey are apparently making. You would think that R&D would have consulted these guys before making their moves. Sadly that did not happen.

    • Jason Seibel

      Jim, you crack me up!

    • KCMikeG

      Good stuff Jim!

  • GDL40

    The Chiefs were overly aggresive…..they gave up too much …… I’m hoping Alex proves me wrong, but he’s not going to win us a playoff game . WILL NOT trust any coach or GM until they ‘ve actually done something for our team.!!!!!!! …. and by something I mean win some playoff games !

  • Bosco Cletus

    Anyone ever read that Buffalo was in the mix for Smith? I read somewhere that the chiefs front office offered a fourth, then Buffalo offered a third, and that’s where we ended up giving up the 2nd and the conditional. We go 11-5 this year, people wont care what it took.

    • KCMikeG

      God forbid we actually invest something of value in the QB position.

  • http://www.facebook.com/carl.harlin.7 Carl Harlin

    If you know he’s the right guy no price is to high…I give a 1st round for two yrs but you better be right.

    • sidibeke

      I had jumped on the bandwagon to do that for RGIII; now, of course, it looks like durability may be an issue with him, but still.

  • Philip W

    I love reading articles on Arrowhead Addict but this one was bad and a waste of time. Why not ask what if the Chiefs would have drafted Tom Brady in the 5th round in 2000 draft instead of DB Pat Davis? Step your game up.

    • sidibeke

      90 posts…whether you like it or not, it is at least a discussion provoking article.

  • KCMikeG

    None of the other QB options would have been better than keeping Cassel. Palmer is the only one that has a chance. It was Alex Smith or roll the dice on the worst group of QB’s to ever try to be drafted. Brilliant move created because they acted decisively and two picks is not paying too much for the caliber of QB AS has been under good coaching in SF AND will be under Reid. I’ll take AS with 3,000 yards and 18 TD’s. Along with our rush game of featuring Charles having 22TD’s/1,600 yards and McCluster with 8TD’s / 900 yards.

    Interesting post on the RB combo/committee successes.

    http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=918158

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Nope. They went out and got the best quarterback available. A QB they believe is the right guy for the job. I may not agree with their judgment, but they absolutely have to run with the guy THEY believe in. Their jobs are on the line. I would hate to lose my job and wonder what might’ve happened if I’d followed my gut. I can live with following my gut and that not working out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000362104802 Toy Cook

    Would the Chiefs have gotten Palmer for the same deal though? Remember that the Raiders and Chiefs are in the same division and I’m not sure the Raiders would’ve made the deal unless the Chiefs were going to offer a lot.

  • sidibeke

    I wasn’t overly-excited when we first got him, but I like the way they did it and am personally much happier with A Smith than I would have been with Flynn, Palmer or Kolb. We needed a QB; R&D knew who their guy was (including potential #1 picks), and they got him. Let’s hope they were right in selecting him as the guy to run Reid’s WC offense. And if it works out, a 2nd round and 3rd round is a small price to have paid.

  • NicholasAlanClayton

    Good points all. Setting aside scheme fits, durability and other issues, the one thing that puts Smith over Palmer is his age. Even though it seems like he’s been in the league forever, he’s only 28. I also recognize that with QB being our biggest question mark, it makes sense that the new regime felt like they had to settle that question quickly so that they could figure out how they were going to play their cards in free agency and the draft.

  • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

    I am all for it. Even though I really wanted Geno Smith, I know that I could be wrong about him. Reid and Dorsey did the right thing for the team. There were no QBs available and so they went out and got the best one they could.

  • krayfish

    I do think they could have waited a bit longer just to test the market but I am not privy to what was going on behind the scenes. However, I do know that the Chiefs have scouts that were scouting Geno and every other QB all through their college careers so they didn’t need to hold private workouts necessarily to know what these players were made of. A workout only tells you so much as we know by Jamarcus Russell and others. There are years of tape on these guys so no I don’t think they needed more time to evaluate any of the top QB picks, I’m sure they were well done with that process by the time they traded for Alex Smith

  • d-block

    Why is there a link to the knockoff KC Kingdom at the top of the page? I didn’t even know that existed. AA is much better!