Jan 4, 2013; Arlington, TX, USA; Texas A

The Case For Luke Joeckel Number One Overall


Mel Kiper Jr. released his Mock Draft 1.0 on Wednesday and had Luke Joeckel, offensive tackle from Texas A&M, going #1 overall to the Kansas City Chiefs. This is what he had to say about the 6-6, 310 lbs junior:

“He has started every game at left tackle since he arrived on campus, protects the passer with what could almost be perceived as ease and has zero durability questions after three years against very good competition. Joeckel has been so good, a big question about him at this stage might be whether he’s truly nasty enough, a point of pride among elite O-linemen. The kid is a gifted technician at left tackle, and the Chiefs could go with the strategy of drafting their left tackle for the next 10 years here, then taking a shot on the best QB available with the first pick in Round 2. Two needs, two picks. We’ll see, but QB value at this draft slot isn’t in play right now.”

While many Chiefs fans scoff at this pick – myself included – I have a feeling this might be closer to reality than drafting a quarterback.

In new Chiefs general manager John Dorsey’s introductory press conference, he said this about his plans for the first overall selection: “pick the best player available.” He added, ““You spent all those months as a group staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player because of positional needs? I don’t think you do that. We [the Packers] have proven you don’t do that.”

So what he’s pretty much saying is that if there’s not a quarterback worth the first overall pick, don’t count on the Chiefs using that pick on one.

There has been much discussion about who would be the top quarterback in this year’s draft, and many are leaning towards Geno Smith from West Virginia. But being the best quarterback on the board doesn’t necessarily make you worth the first pick, at least according to the best player available (BPA) strategy. In fact, Gil “the Godfather” Brandt of NFL.com doesn’t have a single QB listed in his top 25 college prospects. So if Dorsey truly sticks to the board, and assuming his board isn’t that much different than the analysts, AND assuming the board doesn’t change that much between now and April (which it will), the Chiefs could very well be looking at Joeckel first overall.

So let’s say all those things come into effect. I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and am going to make the Case for Luke Joeckel Number One Overall.

When I wrote my piece a couple weeks back about Andy Reid, I mentioned that he sees the game through the “prism of the pass.” And one of those important elements is being able to keep the quarterback upright. That’s where the tackle position comes in. In Philly, Reid took two offensive linemen in the first round during his time there, and spent over 20 draft picks total on the offensive line. And yes, while Dorsey supposedly has the final say on the draft in April (and based off his press conference, I do believe that. The guy was straight intimidating), you have to believe Reid will have a bit to do with it.

As for the need at that position, there’s no guarantee Branden Albert will be coming back next season besides a franchise tag. In 2012, the tender for an offensive lineman was worth $9.383 million and will remain in that area as the salary cap is expected to remain flat in 2013. This is about a $6.5 million raise from last season. Sure, there’s always a chance the Chiefs and Albert could reach a long term contract before the draft, but it won’t come cheap. Albert has come into his own since being a first round pick, and some even consider him a top-10 left tackle in the league. And while Pro Football Focus went on to call Albert “superb,” that kind of recognition doesn’t come without a price tag.

In taking Joeckel, the Chiefs would be saving themselves quite a bit of money, while also getting a very good tackle prospect. How cheap you ask? Andrew Luck got a four year $22.1 million contract last year as the first pick. Albert and his agents might be wanting a contract where he makes that much in half the amount of time, in the spirit of Joe Thomas, Jake Long and Jason Peters. Is Albert worth that? Would that money be better served going towards a guy like Dwayne Bowe?

If there is no sure-thing quarterback, then why reach for one at the most crucial slot of the entire draft? And if the boards shake down like many analysts think it will, there is a strong possibility that quarterbacks such as Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, and Mike Glennon will be available with the second pick in the second round, which the Chiefs own. Much like how the 2011 Bengals selected A.J. Green with the fourth pick and Andy Dalton with the 35th pick, the Chiefs could sure up two very important positions on the offense with their first two picks without the fear of reaching for a quarterback that is overrated.

Worried about the Jaguars leaping on the best QB available with the first pick of the second round? Then the Chiefs could be like the Vikings last season. They drafted offensive tackle Matt Kalil out of USC number four overall, then traded their second and fourth round picks (#35 and #98 overall) to get back into the first round and take Harrison Smith at pick 29. If the Chiefs are worried about the Jags adding to their QB conundrum down in Jacksonville, this is another reasonable route worth pursuing.

It’s the Chiefs luck that they couldn’t have been this awful last year and have had their choice between Andrew Luck and RG3, but that’s just how it is. The last thing Dorsey will want to do is use his first pick with the Chiefs on a risky quarterback that might not pan out and then have to be tied with him for a few years (this is what I call the Blaine Gabbert effect). If Dorsey truly means what he says and will take the best player available, it seems Joeckel is his man. Doesn’t mean he won’t draft a QB, just means he is true to the board and true to his word.

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  • http://twitter.com/Soup_Woolridge Soup_Woolridge

    Look! The bottom line is we need a damn quarterback regardless…so why not get the best one with the first pick! Getting one in any round after that is still hurting us at that position. If Andy Reid is that good at prepping QB’s then taking Geno shouldn’t be a problem! Damn don’t screw this up!!!

    • tm1946

      Hit the bulls eye. But will Dorsey and Reid want a maybe with their first pick, how long did we throw Jackson at Pioli, 4 season and he got fired. Best athlete is the way to go.

      • http://www.facebook.com/erika.motley.3 Erika Groth

        I think you mean best player. Best player and best athlete don’t always mean the samw thing…. But I think the kid is worth top ten pick so we aught to get him(geno that is)

        • tm1946

          Thanks for both translations of english, but I do not care all that much for Geno at any early pick. Might be a real find in the 3rd round though.

          • http://www.facebook.com/erika.motley.3 Erika Groth

            The reason I said this is because I honestly didn’t know if you ment player or athlete. I SERIOUSLY doubt geno making second let alone 3rd.

          • boothisgarbage

            nfl.com 4th rated PROSPECT.
            it would be a miracle if he made it beyond the first round.
            jake locker and christian ponder were top 12 guys. give me a breal

          • boothisgarbage

            yet nfl.com has him as 4th overall
            so can you please tell me how hes a 3rd round pick? because of a few fans like yourself who saw him play once and then decided to make your own mock around players you have never seen play?
            this is such a load of BS

          • micah stephenson

            3rd rd??? Just ignore his ignorance.

          • Danny W

            3rd round, now thats funny stuff.

      • micah stephenson

        T.Jackson dont play QB!!! Had Pioli took Mark Sanchez instead he might still have his job!

        • tm1946

          Guess you are correct, if you consider Sanchez a top QB. Sort of like Geno, in some peoples mind he is a top QB, but to others he may seem more like a Sanchez.

          • micah stephenson

            He was the top QB in that draft and waaaaaay better than Jackson. Kinda like Geno wud b waaaaaay better than Joke-kel!

          • KCMikeG

            Could have sworn he won some play off games.

        • Jim Harper

          Micah, that is just crazy talk. Sanchez? Please

          • micah stephenson

            Im not a Sanchez fan. Im just saying he wud hav done alot more for the chiefs than t jac has.

    • boothisgarbage

      considering nfl.com has geno smith as the FOURTH RATED PROSPECT. BEFORE THE COMBINE, INTERVIEWS ETC.
      id say its safe to say that its not too far out of the realm os possibility that the “best player available” to KC, WILL be a QB.

  • Patriot42

    Go for the best athlete as number one.

    • micah stephenson

      No no no! You go for the best QB at 1.

      • tm1946

        Bad year for QBs, as in future HOFers. So I go with best athlete, not necessarily Qb.

        • Joe Myers

          well look at Willson bad year we don’t know that our biggest need is qb and you want to settle for a matt im a sure fire buts barlkey or glennon OR a second round bum ha get get ready for another disappointing season like I said if we don’t take the best QB with the number one pick im out

          • micah stephenson

            Me too! If chiefs dont get Geno I wont care about anything they do cus it wont work. They tricked wit cassel stuff one time. Im not falling for that bs QB stuff twice!!!

          • Jim Harper

            bye bye

          • Daniel Mayfield

            Real big fans giving up on them like that. Just shows the love you have for the team

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            Go ahead leave. If you leaving the fanbase of KC is over them not screwing up the draft, don’t let the door hit you. There are 3 months till the draft and a lot of time for the Chiefs to do their homework.

          • Joe Myers

            number never not a chiefs fan im always with them win or lose you seen how bad this season was we deserve and you got to be a fool if you think a second rate QB will do you know how many people have threw our losing record in my face year after year and I always stand up for my chiefs now we got the number one pick and our biggest need is a QB and thirds one that fits this system vary well we need to take the best QB in the draft if not im not watching sports ever not the chiefs royals skc nothing last year would be the worst season even more so if we waist this opportunity …. Jackasses

          • TAZMOSIS

            Just reading your posts hurts my eyes! Not because I do not agree with you. It’s because you can’t write. Why not just run all your words together?

          • ArrowFan

            Taz is right take the time to read through before you post.

      • http://www.facebook.com/genemyuk Gene Yuknis

        nein

        • Alan Chamberlain

          Guys you aren’t looking at the big picture. Ok lets say that we take Joeckel at #1. Great. Now if we think the QB we want will be there, I’m almost positive you are wrong (draft history). Lets see Eagles (Geno Smith at 4), Arizona (Tyler Wilson at 7), Buffalo (Mike Glennon at 8), Jacksonville (Matt Barkley at 33). So who does that leave? Ryan Nassib, EJ Manual, and Landry Jones. Do you think any of these guy are 2nd round talents? Out of those three, Manual will probably be the pick based on system, but you never know who is going to trade up to get any of the QBs. I don’t know about you guys, but that’s not a position I I want to be in (5th best QB when we need a QB in the worst way). Now the draft may not fall this way, and we may trade up back into the first round, but with teams reaching for QBs at an alarming rate, I wouldn’t be ok waiting till round two. Who is Jockel going to protect? Stanzi?

          • mnelson52

            Stanzi standing may be better than Geno on his back. Besides,Cassel has 2 years left on his contract. When Cassel has good protection, he’s not bad.

      • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

        Why? That doesn’t make sense if there isn’t any worth that pick. Remember, we only get 7. Yeah, we need a qb. But there are smarter ways to go about getting a franchise qb. We don’t even know if geno is a legit NFL qb. And you want to blow the 1st overall on him? This is why you aren’t a GM.

        • micah stephenson

          If I was the GM we would hav ALL MADDEN team! Starting with me drafting Geno!

          • KCMikeG

            PLEASE tell me why Geno isn’t good enough for us? Any us of facts or logic would be greatly appreciated.

          • Daniel Mayfield

            There is no proof because he’s great. If you can, go check out his stats. He’s #1. I don’t see why Luck is any better then him…besides joining the NFL a year earlier

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            It’s not that he isn’t good enough. That’s not what this article says. That’s not even what I am saying. Geno has a legit shot to be a franchise qb. Especially under Reid. That being said, you remember the several blown 1st round picks the chiefs have had. Now multiply the negative effect by 10x if you make a bad selection with the first overall pick. I like Geno, if we get him in the draft I will be completely ok with it. Barring some insane workouts though, using the first pick would be a mistake.

          • Danny W

            There’s a high percentage chance that absolutely no other team wants the first pick. We need a quarterback worse than any other team in the league. I think we take the best player available at the position needed most. Your argument is week Steve.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            Please, guy who spelled weak wrong, how my argument is weak? You have been so educated in your comments so far.

          • Danny W

            Your argument is weak because you give no explanation as to why your argument is valid. Your just stating your opinions over and over again. I read football every day. I’m a grad student and have full time job so proof reading my comments isn’t tops of my list of things to do. But hey you got me Steve I miss spelled weak in the context of my paragraph. Here are some links, go watch/ read these and then you will have an educated argument. I won’t regurgitate months of hard work you’ve missed out on.

            http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/01/14/video-geno-smith-is-worthy-of-the-1-pick/

            http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1/10/3862228/geno-smith-a-tale-in-accuracy

            http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1/10/3852670/we-can-get-a-qb-in-the-second-round-just-as-easy-as-in-the-first

            http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1/8/3853756/2013-nfl-draft-qb-prospects-analysis

            http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/01/09/geno-smith-qbeast/

            http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/01/01/chiefs-season-finale-the-future/

            http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/12/27/chiefs-first-round-qb-quiz-name-that-qb/

            Okay let me know if you need more educating mkay.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            First, you have been reading sports articles for a long time? You want a cookie? So have I. In fact, my roommate is a sports anchor on tv. I have worked in tv for 10 years. I have shot chiefs games. Interviewed the players. You are annoying and I would rather not spend my time on this site arguing with you. Let me finalize what I have been saying this whole time. Maybe your grad school degree will understand it. I don’t have anything against Geno. He could be the next Warren Moon. If KC thinks he is, they should draft him. If not, they shouldn’t make the pick just to say they took a qb. That does us no good. The only reason we should take a LT is if Albert doesn’t re-sign. Best option? Trade down. Is that a sure thing that a team wants to trade with us? No. I know the most important position for us this offseason is qb. I could see a scenario where we get a vet like hasslebeck and a qb in the draft.

          • ArrowFan

            You just said he has a legit shot at being a franchise QB. But then say he is not worth the 1 pick? If a legit franchise QB isn’t worth the 1 pick then what is? Just because Mell Crapper says so isn’t good enough.

          • mnelson52

            The whole NFL world as far as scouts and analyst go, says none of the QBs are worth a #1 pick. The only ones saying different are the QB starved Chief fans willing to reach with the #1 over all pick. Everyone Loved the hire of Dorsey because he has been very good at drafting. Now you think he’s an idiot if he don’t think like you. What if Albert or Winston got hurt? You would be tickled if someone like Joeckel could step right in and keep our QB upright. Or better yet, What if he won the starting job over Albert and improved our QB protection immediatly? What if Albert doesn’t sign, and we have no way of protecting our QB. Our GM won a SB a couple of years ago because he took the BPA. Because they took BPA, they had people on the bench that could be starters on other teams. They had 16 people on IR when they won the SB because they kept taking the BPA no matter the position. That being said, a lot will change after the senior bowl, their pro-day and the combine. I wouldn’t start getting mad and threatening to quit being a fan until after those events are over. You sound like 2 year olds saying I’m going to quit if I don’t get my way. I’m know more than that stupid GM. He will stay true and take BPA but at this point we don’t know who that will be. Maybe by then it will be Geno, but I doubt it.

          • ArrowFan

            Having the best LT in the NFL will not put one more point on the board that what we had this year. The only way a team can afford to follow a to the letter BPA approach is if there is no holes like say a team like GB. I call Mel Crapper crap because he is wrong more than he is not. The biggest problem with our team is the QB it drafting a QB with the #1 pick is not what is done then a clear plan otherwise will need to be evident Because rolling with Cassel again will only result with bad things for the new leadership.

          • mnelson52

            His play was terrible against good teams. He had 1 game that they only scored 14 against a bad team

          • KCMikeG

            He had a couple of rough games (101 QB rating minimum) in the middle of the season vs TxTech (8-5 is hardly bad) & K-St (one of the top ranked team in nation) true but you don’t dismiss THREE years of improving performance nor do you ignore that he went toe-to-toe with a top 10 Oklahoma team with 320 yards/4 TD’s losing 50-49 on a 4th down play with 24 seconds left as his defense submitted once again.

            His stats over THREE YEARS against good and bad teams just like it is in the NFL too.

            2010 9-4 made Bowl game 68.4% completion, 24TD/7Int and 144 QB rating,

            2011 10-3 Won Orange Bowl over Clemson with 74.4% completion, SIX TD’s NO Int’s and a 200 QB rating,

            2012 7-6 made bowl game, SEVENTY ONE.2 completion, FORTY TWO TD/ONLY 6 Int’s and a 163.9 QB rating

            See you guys just want to ignore all of the good and all you have is he played bad against good teams while ignoring that he played well against good team too and that even his “bad games” weren’t that bad being a 101 QB ranking isn’t “bad”. Your choice to ignore overwhelming evidence and the stats over three years to not support your position.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            No, you wouldn’t. The posts on this article alone tell me that.

        • micah stephenson

          There are smarter ways to get 1???? Is that y we havent had 1 sinse we got lucky with trent green?

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            Yeah, smarter as in trading down, or waiting till the top of the second round, or trading back into the first. You all really can’t think that using the 1st pick is the only way to get a qb.

        • Danny W

          I guess you are a GM though aye there steve? As the Dude once said; “Thats like your opinion man.” Geno Smith is a good quarterback do you have any statements to verify that Geno isn’t worth the pick or just opinions stating other wise? I hear all the time he isn’t worth it but no one can tell me why.

          • Chief Hokie

            LOL that’s hilarious. Who is this Dude?

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            Big lebowski

          • Danny W

            The Big Leboski, is the movie staring Jeff Bridges as the Dude, and Dan Akroid as his Nam veteran cohort. They get into all kinds of hilarious shenanigans. You’ve got to watch it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            It was John goodman and Steve buscemi. Ps- learn to spell.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            What do I have as proof? A) he wasn’t even the best qb this year in college b) he put up good numbers but nothing he did was elite. He’s got a lot of work to do if he wants to be the 1st pick. If you can’t figure out that much, tying your shoelaces must be a daily struggle.

          • Danny W

            What quarterback is better? Does he have a higher completion percentage? Come on man, make your move, whose the man? You have no numbers or even a name, just an opinion stating otherwise.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            I am not saying don’t take geno. I am not even saying dont take a qb in the first round. What I have been trying to get you guys to realize is that using the first pick on a qb just to take a qb whether he is worth the 1st pick or not is dumb. Apparently, you don’t get that. Reading is tough, isn’t it?

          • Danny W

            No Steve reading isn’t tough. Taking it in the poop shoot is though I bet isn’t it? You seem like the type. You know a guy who trolls around on football websites causing drama in such. Yep, I’d say you get dressed up like Hulk Hogan and then the wrestling match turns into experimenting with your homeboys bodies. I don’t go there with dudes. I don’t care if you pitch or catch. I don’t even judge you just keep on keeping on.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            Why is it that if you have an opinion you are considered a troll? Secondly, you call me a homo yet you were obviously Facebook stalking my profile pictures. By the way, calling someone a homo is judging, dumb shit. Your parents must have been related before they got married.

          • Danny W

            I don’t judge, where did I use the word homo? What do you have against them? Yah these comments show up on my email and if I click on link to comment it takes me here, if I click on link to user site on accident it takes me to your Facebook page if that’s what you use Hulk. Hey dude, no sense in living in the closet. I won’t think any less of you.

          • KCMikeG

            Neither were Kaepernik or Wilson according to the same “experts” who are saying Geno isn’t worth the top pick. Tell me why you believe he isn’t and if you wouldn’t trade our #1 pick for either of them now?

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

            Every year the “experts” get it wrong with at least a couple players. It’s all a guessing game. Luck and RG3 are exceptions. You can see in their eyes that they have “it”. And Geno or another qb could be right I. That same group. Personally, I like Tyler Wilson. I have covered him for the tv station I work at for the last 2 years. Kid works his ass off and has done some incredible things on a bad team. Off the topic though. Back to your question, would I have traded for Wilson or Kap? First overall pick? Even now I have a hard time saying yes, just because its one year that they have even done anything. The first overall pick is its own monster. You take a player that is supposed to be a lock for a franchise changing player regardless of position. I don’t know if that’s geno anymore than anyone else does. My fear is that, kc has been without a true franchise qb for so long that we are trying to force it to happen. I am a die hard fan. I bleed red and gold. I know we need a qb and bad. Just don’t make a hasty/bad choice just for the fact. You hear gm’s say all the time not to pick for need but for value. If he’s shows Reid and Co tha he is worth it, do it. Don’t even think twice but make sure he is.

          • KCMikeG

            Again – what about Geno makes him a risk for us? What about him makes him not the BPA? What makes Joeckel or Star a better #1 pick when we already have starter quality players in those positions. So we pick one of them as the BPA so we can let Albert walk or sit down a DL starter while hoping and praying there is someone worth taking the risk on at QB in the 2nd – the same “risk” we couldn’t take with Geno even though we have no answer at starting QB. Please could someone clarify for me?

          • ArrowFan

            Then sit and watch Geno play for the Faiders for the next 10 years, I just puked a little.

          • KCMikeG

            Don’t even think it let alone say it…

    • scastagnoli

      Bill Parcels must have felt Jake Long was the best player at an important position and passed on Matt Ryan. How do you think Miami fans have felt about that one these past five years? Ryan isn’t great, but he looks like he’ll be a good QB for many years, while Long played well but is starting to rack up the injuries to the point that Miami probably won’t even resign him.

      Joeckel looks very good. During their bowl game, the D-end frequently gave up on his pass rush because Joeckel was so effective stoning him with great technique. However, barring any structural issues with his back, we already have a pretty good left tackle in BA with a talented youngster who looks very capable of filling in on either side if an injury sidelines either starter. Why select a player at a position of strength? Just use some of that cap money and sign Albert.

      Geno Smith isn’t a finished product, but his intelligence, love of football, work ethic and abundant physical talent will allow him to grow into the role of a true franchise QB. We pass him at #1, and there is no guarantee we’ll even have a shot at the next best three. There are a lot of teams desperate for QBs. You can’t assume that we’ll be able to trade back up into the first round because you may not have a trading partner.

      • KCMikeG

        So true…..

      • Chief Hokie

        Well said

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        I would say Ryan is a VERY good QB. I’d take him in a heartbeat.

      • ArrowFan

        Lets add that he had 42 TD’s and only 6 int’s as well.

  • Mike Ross

    Yes the Chiefs need a QB… but you don’t draft 2nd rd. talent with the first pick overall. And for those who are calling for the Chiefs to do just that, you have no idea as to what you are talking about.

    • Kyle ferguson

      As of right know geno is the 13th best player in the draft a cording to one big board I saw, why is he so low? To me it seams To be his win loss record. Even though he lead a high power offenise his D at WV sucked I think he is going to shoot way up come combine time

    • micah stephenson

      Whoever says Geno aint a 1st rd talent should not post any more comments till they learn more about football.

      • Lenny Lieurance

        What he said.

      • http://www.facebook.com/genemyuk Gene Yuknis

        i would suggest reading kipler’s articles on the kansas city star web site, and then reporting back

        • micah stephenson

          Melon Head Kiper!!!! Is that the same idiot who said Jimmy Cluasen was the next Tom Brady/P.Manning. GTF out of hear with his bs.

          • Calchiefsfan

            If you really want a good laugh, go back and read Kiper’s scouting report on Jamarcus Russell. Kiper has zero credibility when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.

        • Danny W

          Gene; Mel Kiper Jr!

        • micah stephenson

          Baaaah haa haaaaa! Lol lol! Is that why think the chiefs shud take somebody besides Geno? Lmao! Becuase Mel Kiper said so! Lol lol I cant stop laughing! Lol o stop lol! You are funny!!!

        • boothisgarbage

          so kiper is end all be all?
          but NFL.Com’s 4th ranking is out the window?
          hes a 2nd round talent? laughable

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          Kiper also said he thought Ricky Stanzi would be starting by now. Stanzi is the worst QB on the roster and that is saying something.

        • ArrowFan

          If Crapper says not to, then that is the best argument for getting him.

    • Chief Hokie

      And what exactly makes you so qualified? As far as I’m concerned, if the chiefs want a tackle so bad they can either resign Albert or go get Jake long. They don’t have to burn their first round pick on a position they can adequately fill by simply resigning someone. The only argument against that is $$, but we have plenty of cap space we could easily get it done.

      When it comes to qb, I don’t see any names out there, including free agency, that have more potential than Geno Smith. And seeing that QB is BY FAR our weakest link, it’s an obvious choice.

    • boothisgarbage

      and you calling all the qb’s 2nd round talents at best, is what shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

    • micah stephenson

      I havent seen anybody wanting 2nd rd talent with the 1st pick. Which player exactly are you refering to wen u say 2nd rd talent?

    • Lyle Graversen

      I have a composite big board post that will hit the sight on Monday morning that combines 10 different big boards and I’ll give you a sneak peak at where Geno ranked….#10.

      • ArrowFan

        If he is good enough for 10 then he is good enough for 1 to a team that has no QB.

    • Danny W

      Okay I would like you to be the first commenter whether it be on AP, AA, Gretz, Warpaint, et al to explain to me why Geno Smith is a second round prospect. Do you watch football Sir? Do you read and understand football statistics? Do you know what QBR is?

  • David Bramwell

    My personal opinion would be to take Joeckel at #1 and package a 2 and 4 and look for a mid to late 1st round trade partner to get Geno. That would seem to solve several problems.

    • micah stephenson

      Geno wouldnt drop past Jacksonville at 2 or the raiders at 3 who are both hoping the chiefs are actually that dum to pass him up.

      • KCMikeG

        Speak the truth my brother!! Why can’y people see this??

      • Chief Hokie

        Agreed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/genemyuk Gene Yuknis

      that may be a great idea if it pans out. i’m sure dorsey would love it

    • Lyle Graversen

      Jax, Oak, Philly, Arz, and Buf could all possibly consider taking Geno or any of the other top QB prospects.

      • Lyle Graversen

        NYJ could be a possibility as well.

        • micah stephenson

          Please help me explian to everyone that this not drafting the best QB u can when you can is why we are 1 of 6 or 7 teams still looking for a franchise QB. Help me explain how franchise QBs dont hit free agentcy very often. Please help me explian that with A.Ried we might go 7-9 or 8-8 and will be looking at the 3 or 4th best QB agian next yr. What are the fans logic or draft strategy? Is it to let the other 31 teams draft a franchise QB 1st then finally get 1 by defualt due to all the teams have a QB but us? The fans cant think A.Smith, Vick, or Sanchez/T bo is the anser.

    • Danny W

      Doing a lot of gambling that other teams won’t take him. Just sign Albert or Jake Long and get a quarterback. Nice write up though gives us something to argue about.

      • KCMikeG

        Now this makes great sense! Stephenson is not far from being ready either if something would happen with Albert.

        • Chief Hokie

          Honestly Stephenson could take over now if he had to. That’s the one thing I will miss about pioli, his ability to get quality offensive linemen in the later rounds. Hudson, Allen, Asamoah, Stephenson I mean the man was on a roll!

          • boothisgarbage

            later rounds?
            allen round 2
            hudson round 2
            asamoah round 3
            stephenson round 3
            here’s the truth, they spent high draft picks on offensive lineman, and need to DEVELOP them, instead of “moving albert to guard”, which is a hilarious idea considering we have two picks in allen/asamoah sunk in the last 2 drafts on guard

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Yeah, moving the moving Albert to Guard idea has seen its day. Dude is going to be a free agent LT. He’s going to get paid to play that position by someone. It damn well better be the Chiefs. He’s never playing Guard.

        • micah stephenson

          I been ready! Lol

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Why not just re-sign Albert?

    • Ron White

      Geno will be gone @ #3 if we don’t take him

    • ArrowFan

      The Faiders will jump all over him.

  • Alan Chamberlain

    Mike I happen to fit that category your speaking of, and I happen to think I do know what I am talking about. Draft a tackle, then wait for a QB when you desparately need one? Sure 2008 Miami Dolphins, how did that work out for ya? Oh what was that, you passed on Ryan and got Jake Long and Chad Henne in round 2, neither of which will be on your team this year? Oh ok so we should do exactly that. Take a tackle (which I actually don’t oppose, but with the QB class being so thin, there wont be much left after the first round), then settle for scraps at 34. Yeah that’s going to work brilliantly. SMH.

    • tm1946

      Scraps at 34. Many say there are more than 40 possible first round rated college kids but you say scraps? How about we meet in the middle and do what David B suggests below.

      Scarps at 34, hahahaha.

      • http://www.facebook.com/erika.motley.3 Erika Groth

        He is referring to the fact that geno maybe Barkley and glennon might be gone by 34. The scrap would be at the Qb position. I bet there will be a high rated tackle or guara at 34 but since after geno the qb class is less than desirable.

        • Alan Chamberlain

          That is correct Erica, and in this draft, QB is the only position that matters for KC. If we fill ALL other needs, and still have bad QB play, the best we can do it 7-9 or 8-8.

      • boothisgarbage

        if its such a weak qb class as those like yourself like to point out, then how does it make sense to mock the idea that there isnt anything worth taking at qb in the 2nd
        you really cant have this both ways

    • TAZMOSIS

      Agree….mostly. Although a huge part of a team’s offense, a left tackle alone has never gotten a team to the Super Bowl. I think that their could be a middle ground here. Somebody out there wants a top left tackle, and the Chiefs have him if they want him. But, I would say let another team pay for him….with draft picks. If the Chiefs can get another pick and stay in the top ten, then the guy they need will probably still be there. If not Smith, there is Manuel, Wilson and even Glennon. Of course, this can and will probably change before draft day.

      • Chief Hokie

        Manuel is the guy I want in the third.

      • jimfromkcj

        No QB can get you to a super bowl by himself. Football is a team sport with 11 players on each side of the ball. All are important, but some positions are more important than others and LT happens to be what I think is the 2nd most important. If there is any doubt that a QB will not be the QB to lead your team to the super bowl, you don’t waste a #1 pick on him. You go for the guy who is the surest of being a franchise or elite player at the highest ranked position.

        • TAZMOSIS

          Check my response to Patrick a few moments ago. My answer is only my opinion, but I think it is the consensus.

        • ArrowFan

          But we already have a good one.

    • Chief Hokie

      What a fantastic example, i’m surprised nobody’s brought that up before.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Chances are there is a QB in this draft that will succeed in the NFL. The Chiefs need to figure out who that guy is and draft him #1. If we’re going to miss, I want to miss on a franchise QB. In fact, I’d rather miss on a franchise QB than hit on a hall of fame LT. Know why? Hall of fame LTs don’t win you Super Bowls. See Roaf, Willie.

      • jimfromkcj

        I would have to say that with your analysis Cassel has succeeded in the NFL. There will probably be 3 or 4 QB’s in this draft that will be that kind of success. If that is the success you are satisfied with, it certainly isn’t mine.

      • TAZMOSIS

        Patrick, why can’t every Chiefs fan not see this? Can anyone tell me who our left tackle was when Derrick Thomas was killing QBs? How about the left tackle when LT was doing the same for the Giants? I repeat, no left tackle has led a team into the playoffs, let alone got them to a Super Bowl. Yeah, that is an important position, but he ain’t the QB!!! I am sure there was a “franchise” left tackle available when we got Thomas at #5.
        There is not a tackle in the NFL that I would have traded DT for.

    • Alan Chamberlain

      Patrick I have been following AA for a long time now and this QB or bust philosophy has been one I have shared for a long time. By the way, I agree with you completely. Look at the two teams in the SB today. Ravens were always good defensively, but didn’t start going to playoffs consistently until they got Flacco (Well they had McNair, but my point is illustrated all the same). A lot of fans I talk to want Alex Smith, yet the 49ers didn’t get over the hump until they started Kap. Yes they drafted 3 OL in 1st round, but they didn’t become a dynamic offense until Kap. The point is in today’s NFL, you HAVE to have good QB play. Until Reid/Dorsey draft that guy, we are going to continue to writhe in mediocrity. Also, we may not have the first pick ever again, so take a swing. If he busts, how are we any different that where we are now? Thanks Patrick, love your work.

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        Thanks Alan. Love seeing people who have been reading for a while jump in and comment. Really makes the site even more fun.

        I agree. We just need to give this a shot. The worst that can happen is it doesn’t work out and we have to try again. I just know that the evidence is there that the value of the QB position is too great not to try.

  • micah stephenson

    So let me get this st8, chiefs finally get n a position to draft the best QB in college as they franchise QB but instead draft a LT. Then jacksonville drafts Geno. Buff and Arz get the other 2 good QBs the chiefs are stuck lookn at Landry Jones or some bum in the 2nd rd. WTF eva!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/genemyuk Gene Yuknis

      you need to look at the big picture. i will take 1 to 2 years to build a dynasty. start your dynasty with the bap

      • micah stephenson

        Im looking at the big picture and I cant find a QB in it!!!! Albert, Winston, Allen, Stephenson all play LT. Chiefs can find a LT in free agentcy or rds 2-4 but u CANNOT FIND A QB THAT WAY!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/erika.motley.3 Erika Groth

        Funny how Wilson was able to turn the Seahawks around… Not flynn the vet cassel clone but an athletic qb that keeps his eyes down field. Mobile enough to dodge sacks and pick up easy yards on the ground. Wilson wasn’t supposed ro be that good all the experts agreed. Kapernick wasn’t supposed to be taken before 4th round moat teams agreed a 3rd round would be an understandable reach. We have a aolid line a solid d a solid running baxk. It’s almost as of people are scared to take a minimal risk to actually be relevent again.

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          Yep. The thing for me is no matter who the Chiefs take, if he isn’t a QB, he won’t help us win the Super Bowl until we get one.

      • Danny W

        Gene are you trolling? You seem to be trolling for some emotional responses here. Your out thinking yourself on this one trust me. Joe Thomas and Jake Long aren’t’ winning anyone any titles. Look at the big picture.

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        I think BPA available is a good strategy to draft with….except for the QB position. The reason is because the QB position has a higher value than all of the other positions. It isn’t even close. A great QB can make a weak line look better, can make crappy receivers look like stars and can even help running backs be productive. Aaron Rogers won a SB with a sub-par line. Tom Brady made Deion Branch a sought after free agent. Peyton Manning mad people thing Moreno has some value in Denver. Put the Green Bay line, Branch or Moreno on KC and they stink to high heaven.

      • boothisgarbage

        big picture? BIG PICTURE?
        charles has 2-3 years left
        hali is nearing 30
        our key players like albert are reaching their 7th year in the freaking league
        the time is NOW to find your qb. we cant sit around for a few more years and let some LT develop
        and if they DO, WE HAVE A LEFT TACKLE TO DEVELOP. DONALD STEPHENSON if you want to wait 2 freaking years.
        and in 2 years, kc wont have the top pick in the draft. how do I know this? they have had it ONCE since the merge, COUNTING this pick

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathon.thomson.3 Jonathon Thomson

    What about this: What if we traded with the Eagles for the fourth overall pick and we also take their 3rd round draft pick? They want Joeckel, and we can select Geno 4th overall? Or take the best player available at 4 and see if we can trade up in the first round afterwards (but that is unlikely).

    • Lyle Graversen

      Wouldn’t be surprised if Chip Kelly might not want Geno himself to run his offense compared to the immobile Nick Foles.

      • KCMikeG

        The truth is if we don’t take Geno #1 we won’t get him. Wish we could make a sweet move and trade back and still get him but it isn’t going to happen. If we trade back I am all in on CB Millner. If we are going to stock up picks to get our QB next year then our next greatest need is CB since next to a QB stopping the dominate passing teams is the next greatest priority to win in the NFL.

        • boothisgarbage

          exactly. and wont get wilson either
          wilson WILL go in the top 25 picks, to some team that will be more than happy to make him the future.

      • boothisgarbage

        that would make sense if geno ran the darn football. there is even a youtube video where he talks about how he doesnt like to run the ball, that he isnt a running qb, and when he had “8″ carries, he didnt like it very much.
        hes black, but hes not a running qb, and hes not a qb you draft to run a read option

      • Justin R Groth

        Or the jags or raiders snaging geno. Leaving the best qb at barkley or glennon leaving us again needing to reach for a Qb

  • Joe Myers

    Our biggest need is a QB

  • Joe Myers

    f that 5 probowlers one of the best running game in the NFL and we went 2-14 if they dont take “the best” QB with the first pick overall im done with sports matt Flynn is garbage smith can’t throw deep like Geno cousins ain’t leaving WA will we finnaly draft and develop our own QB AFTER HOW MANY YEARS FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF LOSSES IF THEY DONT TAKE GENO IM DONE

  • boothisgarbage

    its simple
    for the first time since the merger, kc has the first pick
    it wont happen again soon with reid around
    and you want to replace a top 8 LT(albert) who could be kept on a franchise tag for 2 years as they prepare stephenson and develop stephenson, or could just get a long term deal, with the TOP PICK IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT?
    this is logic I cant even begin to argue with, as its completely dumb.
    lets go by the winning fomula the dolphins and browns have set forth with top 5 LT’s. and they didnt have a borderline top 5 LT who allowed (1) sack all season

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      We haven’t needed a LT since we drafted Albert yet every single season, people start mocking us a tackle. It is infuriating.

      • jimfromkcj

        And how many championships have we won since Albert was drafted. It is always infuriating to me that people can be wrong year after year and still think they are right.

        • ArrowFan

          LT win championships, along with following Mell Crapper.

        • Justin R Groth

          Not sure but if you mean that Albert needs replaced because we haven’t won sin he was drafted your missing the elephant in the room. Albert is a highly ranked LT who allowed a grand total of 1 sack last year and help block for jamaal to have another1000+ yes year. Qb is our main problem not our tackle who everyone wanta to move to guard ( he OS a tackle, hasnt played guard in a long time, this is not madden)

  • http://www.facebook.com/barrett.thompson.12 Barrett Thompson

    Joeckel or Milliner would be our best bet at the top of the draft. Geno Smith is not worthy of the top pick in the draft and it would be inexcusable to pass on all the talent that everyone would jump at the chance to get should we be stupid enough to take Geno first overall. Tyler Wilson should be available at 34 and will probably be a much better pro QB under Andy Reid anyhow. I don’t expect to be going into the draft with our current QB lineup anyway though…

    • micah stephenson

      Tyler wont b available at 34. Mayby Landy Jones but not Tyler, Geno, or Glenon

      • Chief Hokie

        Maybe Glennon. I wouldn’t be crushed if we ended up with Glennon and joekel or milliner. But of course I’d prefer Geno, I mean look at my profile pic.

      • KCMikeG

        True!!

    • Chief Hokie

      If we had to go with any other position than qb with the first pick I’d rather it be milliner than joekel because at least that would address a team need.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      What is your reasoning for saying he isn’t worth the #1 pick. Honest question because I have seen a number of arguments for him but whenever someone argues against him they just say “he isn’t worth the #1 pick.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/barrett.thompson.12 Barrett Thompson

        His value as a player does not present him as a better option than at least 8-10 other players that are available.

        • ArrowFan

          If he is good for 11 then he is good for 1 to a team the is QB deprived.

        • KCMikeG

          Please define how you are setting his value compared to these other 8-10 players left unnamed.

      • jimfromkcj

        Mainly because you and the usual suspects are so in love with him. With the past performance of the main posters here and at Pride I am not enamoured with your picks. In 2008 most of you thought Dorsey was a great pick at 5, In 2009 the general consensus was Curry, In 2010 Berry was the glamorous pick and in 2011 Taylor was the choice, In 2012 Griffin and Kuechly was the choices. So with that said I don’t have much confidence in your choices. My choices were 2008 Clady, 2009 Oher, 2010 Okung, 2011 Kaepernick and 2012 Weeden. My chice this year has been Joekel from watching A&M last year and this year.

        • Danny W

          Kuechly has been a monster Jim. He will be one of the best linebackers in football.

  • Jim Harper

    Man, after reading some of the comments this is a very volatile to be sure. I was in the Geno Smith camp too and I still would like him in a Chiefs uniform next year. However the case of Joeckel makes some sense too. The one thing no one seems to be thinking about is Reid’s ability to develop QB’s. And it is awfully hard to second guess Dorsey with the track record he has had in the draft. At this point I don’t have a problem with whatever direction they go in the draft because I DO have faith that they know what they are doing. As knowledgeable as Chiefs fans are they still pale in comparison to these guys that Clark has given the keys to. I think it would be prudent that we forgo the lynch mob until all is said and done.

    • Chief Hokie

      Good stuff.

  • Jason Ray Brawn

    Everyone is sayin that a left tackle has never won a championship but a QB without a good if not great left tackle sure as heck spent more time on his back than in the playoffs. A QB of any caliber will need a soild TEAM around him to be sucessful in the NFL. No one wins it alone guys. Now for the record i would rather get Milner the Bama CB in the first. And just because their are teams that also need a QB (i.e arizona, bills, faiders, jags? ) Qb might not be the only need they have and i bet they will have positions of need that they might go with in the first and try to grab a signal caller in the 2-5 th round or next year. The only team i think that will grab a 1st round Qb other than us is the cards.

    • boothisgarbage

      and kc HAS BRANDEN ALBERT. he allowed ONE FREAKING SACK. so our qb wasnt on his back due to albert.
      and behind him, is a recently drafted in the top of the thid donald stephenson.
      why are we discussing a position with not one, but two capable players? one of which is a top 7 LT, the other being a Raw developmental player

      • Jason Ray Brawn

        Unfortunatly we dont have Albert right now as hes a free agent soon as the offseason starts and i believe he will want more money than KC will want to pay him with the back injury he is dealing with. Now please understand i do not want LT at #1 I would like to grab Jake long in FA and move Albert back to LG where hed be amazing. And i believe we could either go with Geno at 1 or go with Milner at 1 then go QB at 34. Remember its really kind of a crap shoot with the QBs comin outta college it can be just a matter on the system they are in and i believe there will be a very good QB there at 34 because i think between Geno, Barkley, Glennon, Wilson, And Bray one of those will still be there in round 2 and i think at least 2 or 3 other QB prospects will move way up the boards before the draft. Bottom line i believe there are more servicable QBs in this draft than there are big shut down CBs so i say take Milner at 1(or trade back for more picks) and then grab a QB at 34. Id for sure not be mad at all if they took Geno at 1 either these are very exciting times to be a chiefs fan. GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!

        • Justin R Groth

          Didn’t you JUST use the fact that LT is important for why we should get the a&m guy? If its that important you sign the guy that is a proven comodity and get the qb. This year free agency is filled with OT, of which Albert is ranked 3rd, bot so much on Qb. The smartest thing for us is to either resign Albert or repallace him with a vet OT grab a vet guard to compete with Allen. Draft Geno first, best available CB second then BAP

          • Jason Ray Brawn

            No man what i was meaning is that if we dont sign Albert/ or grab one of the top 5 FA LTs before the draft then i could see grabbin the LT from a&m. Again i dont want that to be the case. Id like us to resign Albert (if his back is 100%) and mabye sign Long. What i was tryin to say is that without a very good o-line any Qb we take at #1 will not suceed. Now again i will be very happy if they resign Albert the go Geno @ #1 and then a good, big Cb at #34. But i just think that the drop off from round one to round two in Cbs is alot bigger than the drop off on Qbs in this years class. Now if we could grab DRC fairly cheap in FA then im all about Geno @ #1 and then mabye either Lacy the rb from bama or the center from bama @ #34 or Austin if hes still there.

    • boothisgarbage

      and you are DEAD wrong. there will be more than just KC and arizona looking at QB early.
      ponder, locker…..evidently all SO MUCH BETTER than geno, wilson.
      laughable. seriously.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stephenrfloyd Stephen Floyd

    The smartest thing KC can do is trade down. Especially, if Reid has to have Geno. They will find a lot more teams willing to trade with the rookie scale. If you can, you can take a shot at Tavon Austin in the 2nd. Those 2 know each other very well. Comfort goes along way with qbs.

    • Danny W

      Smart, maybe possible maybe. Know one knows anything yet.

    • Justin R Groth

      I disagree off reid wants geno trading down is a BAD idea. The raiders need a good Qb, the jags wouldn’t mind to have him, Phil might like the idea of a young mobile qb instead of foles, the browns cards bills jets all need a signal caller and all are in the top10, I can see the jets, and browns holding off maybe but there is no way he makes it out of top ten, or even top 5.

  • micah stephenson

    No team has anybody and do a 53 player mock. How many QBs go 1st rd and how many LTs go 1st rd? Prolly 25 QBs and mayby a LT or 2. Thats cus if you dont have a QB you dont have S**t!

  • Calchiefsfan

    There is no doubt that we need a quarterback, that’s a given. I’m on the Geno bandwagon too. That being said, the negative things that I’ve read and seen in his play is that even though he is a film rat and studies the game, he doesn’t read defenses very well, goes through his progressions too slowly and buckles under pressure and makes stupid mistakes, (of course we all saw Manning buckle and throw a stupid interception to end the game against Baltimore). The point is he has flaws, he’s not a guaranteed franchise quarterback.

    Anyone who puts the whole Chiefs future on whether we take Geno with the first pick or not is just getting a little too crazy. Three out of the four QBs in the playoffs are not first round picks. Wilson, Kaepernick, Dalton and Cousins were not first round picks and we all have seen how that worked out.

    What if Dorsey and Reid think they have a potential Wilson or Kaepernick in this draft? Who is this years Wilson or Kaepernick? We’re still 3 months away from the draft, a lot can happen. It’s a big test for the new regime and I think they get it. We need a quarterback. It will be interesting to see how they go about accomplishing that.

    On a side note, coaching has a lot more to do with the success of a quarterback than most people realize. The one year we had a coach, Charlie Weiss, who knew how to get the best out of a quarterback, Cassel went to the Pro Bowl. The same Matt Cassel who sucked every other year. Just sayin.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I wouldn’t say he makes that many mistakes. Look at his TD to INT ratio.

    • boothisgarbage

      counting cousins as a playoff qb is laughable. seriously, they played a guy with a torn acl over cousins.
      dalton was a top of the 2nd pick, same with kaepernick, wilson fell due to being 5’10.
      so you want to risk our qb position on a qb falling to our 2nd round pick
      no one seems to understand this. those teams could afford to take 2nd round qb’s. we cannot.

      • Calchiefsfan

        Actually if you look at my second sentence I state that I’m for Geno with the first pick. All I’m saying is all is not lost if the Chiefs don’t go that way like a lot of people on this site are saying. There have been some very good QBs after the 1st round in the last 2 years and we do have the 2nd pick in the 2nd round.

  • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

    I’d be fine with this as long as the qb situation gets addressed too be it through draft of free agency.

    • Justin R Groth

      But how could we address th Qb position? With a second tier rookie or second tier back up? It’s not like free agency is,busting at the seems with Qbs

  • http://twitter.com/Krans24 Keane Santos

    So frustrating.

    And by the way Kiper said not too long ago Glennon was worth and would go number one in the draft, I don’t put much weight into Kiper.

    So let’s talk about why this is frustrating, we’re talking about drafting a tackle with our top pick when tackle is not currently a need at all. Albert has done a fine job but we want to draft someone new why? to save a little bit of money?! This has been the old problem with KC, we find true great talent, develop them and then let another team take them and try to build up again. I agree I wouldn’t reach for a QB if it looked like no one was worthy of a top pick but I think Geno has proven enough to show he has a high ceiling. Most people who knock him haven’t watched more than thirty minutes of him play, he’s smart, can lead, he’s accurate and although he’s athletic he doesn’t just go running around all over the place.

    So do we finally draft a QB in the first for the first time since I’ve been born? By the way we’ve won no playoff games either during this time, or do we draft to replace a solid talent we ALREADY have on the team when we can just PAY him the money he deserves.

  • ArrowFan

    If Geno performs halfway decent at the comine and at his pro day I don’t see how he is a reach.

  • chiefridgy

    No way we go offensive tackle with first pick.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Drafting Joeckel only makes sense if they want to save money on the LT spot. If it means Joeckel in R1, Tyler Wilson in R2, and keeping Dwayne Bowe though? I can live with it.

  • Troy Utt

    Best Athlete #1 ! We don’t need Geno’s attitude… We need a Leader!

  • http://twitter.com/SkittleWittle1 skylar smith

    how are you going to replace a proven talent like albert?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.aldridge.73 Jonathan Aldridge

    NO, NO, NO!