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Chiefs 2013 Draft: Navigating The Blockbuster

As has become customary for Chiefs fans over the years, we begin fantasizing about what could be, and so, many of us have already mentally calendar hopped to the 2013 draft with hopes full bore.

My fantasy is drafting an elite quarterback –Geno Smith, specifically — but, it will likely take a blockbuster trade to get that accomplished.

For the Chiefs to climb that volcano and drop the ring of power — the power that losing has held over this organization — into the lava of Mordor, they’ll need someone young to lead them — a franchise-caliber QB — one who will guide them for a decade or more.

To do that the Chiefs will need to take a big risk. It won’t be easy. Risks never are. In this case the risk will be to trade key players and/or high round picks to gain control of the first pick in the draft.

Gaining the first pick is no guarantee that the Chiefs will end up with a franchise QB. However, it is now a move the Chiefs must make.

MUST make.


The reason is that it makes more sense now than at any other time in the past 40 years, and that’s because the Chiefs have put together a strong team core and now are basically only lacking one or two key components including a breakout QB.

The Chiefs don’t even need a QB who can carry them on his back for games at a time, just periods of games. Joe Montana is the only Chiefs QB who has been capable of that since Len Dawson — and Dawson was picked up by the Chiefs 50 years ago, this year.

So, what’s the record for teams who take the plunge — the big risk of trading away the future, players and Draft picks — for an elite QB talent?

Here’s a brief history lesson about one of the worst possible trades ever.

In 1999, the New Orleans Saints — with Mike Ditka at the helm — traded away every single player in that year’s Draft, plus a first- and second-round pick in the 2000 Draft for the rights to draft RB Ricky Williams. HC Ditka and GM Bill Kuharich were fired at the end of William’s rookie season, essentially for going 3-13.

Williams played for the Saints for only three seasons and it’s widely recognized as a big bad bust of a deal for New Orleans. Ricky Williams was the sixth player taken in that Draft — not the first.

Seven years later the Saints risked millions again, which changed the whole organization’s fortunes.

In 2006, as a franchise player and free agent, Drew Brees signed with the New Orleans Saints. That same season he threw for over 4,400, set a new single season passing record in 2011 and was the winning MVP of Super Bowl XLIV. There’s probably only two teams in the league that wouldn’t be glad to have Brees take over their QB chores and that would be the Patriots, and the Chargers, apparently.

So, there are two ways to make this blockbuster trade happen to gain a high draft pick or to gain an unwanted, second-string QB from another team.

Think back over the past 20 seasons: who — besides Drew Brees — has worked out “great” as a QB coming from another team either in a trade or free agency?

If Peyton Manning is your answer, consider that he is in no way the Broncos’ future.

If your answer is Michael Vick, consider what he’s ever really accomplished, both on and off the field.

If Carson Palmer is your answer, consider how much he hasn’t improved the Raiders since coming over (9-11 record, 18 TDs, 18 INTs). Palmer will be 33 in December and is also not the future of the Raiders.

If Joe Montana is your answer, remember he only played two years for the Chiefs and was injured for part of his stay in K.C..

The facts show that very few QBs traded in the middle or last part of their careers turn around and blow it up with their new team — besides Brees, Montana and Favre. And the laundry list of QBs who don’t do well in another team’s jersey at the tail end of their careers is legendary: Namath, Unitas, Drew Bledsoe, Archie Manning, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason, John Hadl, Dave Krieg, Donovan McNabb — this list is endless.

While Matt Schaub hasn’t help the Houston Texans achieve much — yet,  he could one day become a QB who helped his new team greatly after being traded.

While trading for a QB or signing one in free agency is a possibility, there’s a good reason it’s more of a possibility than it is to trade up in the Draft. Trading for an unwanted QB costs less, yes, but the outcome is a greater risk. In fact, finding a great QB that way is pretty rare.

That leaves a draft-related trade. Besides, most Chiefs fans I’ve communicated with are tired of the Chiefs trying to bring in someone else’s discard: Steve DeBerg, Ron Jaworski, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, Damon Huard, Matt Cassel.

Trent Green played well for the Chiefs but was never recognized as the long-term solution. Green produced five straight seasons of more than 3,500 passing yards and three straight of more than 4,000. Green was solid but it’s difficult to build around someone who is done in 5 seasons.

Back to the drawing board — which better be the same thing as the Draft board, in the Chiefs’ case.

Several high-quality college QBs appear to be headed for the top of the 2013 NFL Draft board — including Geno Smith. Are there any that you’d love to see the Chiefs make a move for? The time is ripe. The possibilities are greater than they’ve ever been.

If you’re someone who does want to see that happen — and I count myself in the group who does — how much would you be willing to trade in current roster players, in 2013 draft picks, and in 2014-15 draft picks to gain the upper hand in making sure the Chiefs got their preferred QB?

The first way I look at the answer to this question is to look at the current roster. Teams who end up picking high in the Draft are usually rebuilding and rarely have a QB of their future on their existing roster. However, there’s been a bevy of talented young QBs coming into the league in the past two years and so there is a good probability that several teams picking high in 2013 will already have their QB of the future on their rosters, e.g. Rams, 2012.

Consequently, those teams may be willing to trade for players they previously have had a relationship with who may also be on the Chiefs roster. If that’s the case, it’s good news because it means they already “value” that player. Examples include: Gunther Cunningham, Lions: Hali or DJ; Pete Carroll, Seahawks: Cassel, Ken Whisenhunt; Cardinals: Steve Breaston, Tom Coughlin; Giants: Kevin Boss; Todd Haley, Pittsburgh: ½ of the Chiefs offense including Dwayne Bowe. Not that there’s a high likelihood any of those teams will be finishing with a worse record than the Chiefs, but you never know.

From the Chiefs’ standpoint, the important question is:  who would you NOT be willing to part with for the rights to draft (essentially meaning — purchase) an elite franchise QB of the future?

The top of that list looks like this for me:

1. Jamaal Charles
2. Dwayne Bowe
3. Eric Berry
4. Tamba Hali
5. Derrick Johnson
6. Justin Houston

Aside from these six, I’d be willing to part with anyone the Chiefs have on their roster — along with draft picks — to make a trade and draft for an elite QB happen.

Assessing the Cost
Weeks before the 2012 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams, who were holding the second pick in the draft, traded that pick to the Washington Redskins for their sixth overall pick in 2012, plus their second-round pick in 2012 and their first-round picks in both 2013 and 2014.

That’s a king’s ransom, no doubt about it.

Yet, here the Chiefs sit, without drafting, signing or  trading for an elite QB who has turned out to have a long bright future since 1962.

Another trade that went bad was when Dallas traded Herschel Walker to Minnesota for half of the tea in China. That trade is often called “The Great Train Robbery.”

Here’s what that trade came down to:

Minnesota Vikings received:
RB Herschel Walker
1990 Draft
Dallas’s third-round pick – (#54 – Mike Jones)
San Diego’s fifth-round pick – (#116 – Reggie Thornton)
Dallas’s 10th-round pick – (#249 – Pat Newman)
1991 Draft
Dallas’s third-round pick – (1991 #68 – Jake Reed)

Dallas Cowboys received:
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to Chargers, refused to report to Dallas)
DE Alex Stewart
1990 Draft
Vikes first-round pick (#21 – traded this pick along with the 81st pick for the 17th pick from Pittsburgh — to draft Emmitt Smith)
Vikes second-round pick (#47 – Alexander Wright)
Vikes sixth-round pick (#158 – traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
1991 Draft
Vikes first-round pick (conditional pick – 12th pick in the draft – Alvin Harper)
Vikes second-round pick (conditional pick – 38th pick in the draft – Dixon Edwards)
1992 Draft
Vikes second-round pick (conditional pick – 37th pick in the draft – Darren Woodson)
Vikes third-round pick (conditional pick) – 71st pick in the draft – traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
1993 Draft
Vikes first-round pick (conditional pick – 13th pick in the draft – traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)

The Dallas dynasty of the early 1990s was clearly established by that trade.

However, GMs don’t try to make trades like that anymore. The reason? GMs have to continue working with each other. They don’t want to lose their working relationship.

New school trades are worked so that everyone is happy with the trade. So, for the Chiefs to make this kind of blockbuster trade before the Draft of April 2013, they will need to be clear about what equipment (players and/or draft choices), they are willing to shop around but, don’t expect them to have to give away the farm — like Minnesota did in 1989.

You can tell that the trade environment has balanced out by comparing that trade to the one the Redskins and the Rams made this past spring. I’m sure both team are still very happy. If I was a Redskins fan, I sure would be.

So, what’s this trade — were it to happen — going to look like?

I can feel it in my bones — it’s going to happen — so go to YouTube and find the Weather Girls and have a listen to “It’s Raining Men.”

You’ll feel a lot better while reading this post. Promise!

Ummm…that hits a sweet spot. I have to confess I have a 2012 -2013 NCAA FB man-crush on Geno Smith. In five games so far this year he has 1,996 passing yards, 24 TDs and 0 INTs. That’s ZERO interceptions.

I’ve watched three games of Geno Smith’s including the week he threw 8 TDs against Baylor.  CBS Sports tracked all of Smith’s passes in that game and said the average amount of distance his passes flew before being caught was 35.1 yards. They stressed that Smith is winning by attacking the defenses down field and he’s not winning by “dinking and dunking” his way down the field.

“88.13: Touchdown percentage for West Virginia offense when entering opponents’ red zone. The Mountaineers have scored TDs on 15 of 17 trips.”

On Saturday against Texas, at halftime I watched an interview with Geno Smith and he said, “I choose to go to West Virginia and not Miami or another big name school because I wanted to help an unknown school become a big time top ten contender.”

Hallelujah! He’s perfect for the Kansas City Chiefs.

I like Smith’s athleticism as much as I like RGIII’s but, be clear: Geno Smith is a pocket passer. Geno Smith is a quiet leader who works hard to excel and his progress is easy to chart.

While Smith is a pocket passer, he can also run well when necessary — as pointed out by WVUs quarterback coach Jake Spavital,

If you look at a lot of NFL teams — especially with Aaron Rodgers — it’s run seven yards and slide, and that puts a lot of stress on the defense. Obviously Geno can do that. We don’t want him acting like he’s a dual-threat quarterback, as much as we joke around about it, but we’re going to at least have defenses acknowledge that our quarterback can run when he’s out of the pocket.

Geno Smith is the new-school, mobile QB prototype. He’s also been a brainy type since birth. From the time he was very young, Smith has been more than just an astute student.

On September 28, the NY Times interviewed his mother, Tracey Seller, who said, “His visions of things have always been beyond his years. After taking an intelligence test, he was labeled gifted.” The Times report also stated,

If his mother wished, Smith could have skipped a grade. She decided against it, preferring he mature with his peers — a notion that did not go as planned, considering Smith often grew bored after finishing his school work faster than most of his classmates.

Grouped with other students classified as gifted, Smith was taught an advanced curriculum… In fifth grade, he won an oratorical contest reciting work by the poet Langston Hughes.

Smith’s brilliance carries over to the game. “On the field, he’s visualizing,” his mother said. “It’s like a puzzle, his masterpiece.

Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk says, “Geno Smith looks and plays the part of a big-time quarterback, possessing the passing and running skills that have revolutionized NFL offenses.”

At this point in time, I’d give what the Washington Redskins gave for RGIII to get Geno Smith of the West Virginia Mountaineers, which would look like this: trade first-round picks, plus give up our second-round pick in 2013, plus give up our first-round picks in both 2014 and 2015.

To get that elite, franchise QB with incredible upside and sky’s-the-limit leadership ability — on and off the field — I’d make that deal all day and twice on Sundays.

And never look back.

Well, Chiefs fans, what are you willing to give to see the Chiefs make that blockbuster trade a reality?

And don’t say a kidney.

Now, a kidney-shaped pool? I may need to call you on that one later.

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  • Doc

    Good read Ladner but I would be willing to give up Bowe to secure Geno. BY bringing in a qulaity QB in the draft, it would entice other quality WR FAs to want to come to KC. I could see Gonzalez wanting to come back to KC for one final year if we had a quality QB at the helm to finish his career. Wouldn’t that be a nice wish klist! Bowe is one man and he has far too many dropped balls of the easy catch nature. As we saw in the pre-season baldwin was making good catches. Unfortunately, as soon as Bowe stepped back on the field in game 1 – Cassel has rarely looked to Baldwin (or Breaston, or Moeaki, or Boos – even though he got injured, or McCluster). I do a gree the time is now to make teh big trade up in the draft. If not, our current talent are only gonig to get older and a little slower and would need replacing again. We need to get off this cycle of constant rebuilding.

    • ladner morse

      I’m torn about Bowe. However, I think he’s the best receiver the Chiefs have ever — ever– had. Otis Taylor played 11 seasons for the Chiefs and had just over 7,300 yards. Bowe has 5 years in and has over 5,300. Yes — Bowe has had some drops but — you’d have to convince me more to want to let him go.

      • Chiefswatch

        Agreed, I think it is Bowe’s fault Cassel has been on this team as long as he has been. Without Bowe Cassel would probably floating around 25 turnovers on the season.

        • ArrowFan

          Bowe has been making bad QB’s look good all the way back to LSU? We should probably all personaly thank him for the years of ineptitude from the Faiders and the purple drank QB. Thank you Bowe for making bad QB’s look good.
          P.S. please don’t leave.

      • Doc

        Think of it in terms of risk versus reward. Bowe is the prime bait to lure to get the first pick along with a few late rounds and the following yer’s first round. Let’s be real here, it is apparent that Bowe does not want to stay, so why not get value out of him that could benefit us in the future.I’m not arguing the stats Bowe has put up, but he is going to want big time money to stick around. We have other players coming due (Albert) and Geno won’t come cheap either, so Clark won’t pay major money to have everyone stick around. As you stated, waht it will take to get the pick is going to be high and Bowe gives us the best leverage to get us a franchise QB. Sure it is a high risk to put Bowe up for grabs, but the upside is equally as high for a long term future.

        • ladner morse

          If a third team was involved in the trade — who would give a high round picks for Bowe (probably not going to be higher than a second rounder) — then that pick could be used to ship top another team to move up in the draft.

          I think a lot of people forget how many years they complained about not having a top flight WR — and since Bowe came to town — that doesn’t happen any more.

  • chiefridgy

    Sounds good to me.

  • Patrick Allen

    The problem is I think we’ll have to give up more than that. I have a feeling the Chiefs are going to start winning. I know it seems crazy but…do you realize that if Denver beats the Chargers Sunday and the Chiefs win, they will be one game back?

    • Chiefswatch

      I see five games left on the schedule that we would have to try real hard to lose. That said we finish probably 7-9, maybe 8-8. I think we miss out on Geno even those teams we think have a QB like Jacksonville or Tennessee would trade up from Locker and Gabbert.

    • Doc

      I am in agreement with you in that I think the Chiefs will start winning now with the QB switch. There was a difference in the team on both sides of the ball Sunday when Brady came took over. Granted Quinn may not be the answer for us long term, but he does provide something different to this team and the fans. The question to play what if with is – what if Brees is available next year? Do the Chiefs pursue him of the draft pick QB?

      • xxxlp

        Dunno if you missed the memo but Brees signed a 5-year, 100 million dollar contract a couple of months ago, buddy. He’s not going to be available.

  • Scott Campbell

    Holy crap learn to use hyphens, I can’t even read this.

  • micah stephenson

    The way the Chiefs are playing they mite hav the top pick in the draft. They shud just lose as many games as they can so they dont hav to drade away pics. Its HARD to attract top teir free agents like P.Manning. Only the cheap middle teir bums other teams dont care about will come here. So id still like building through the draft. Id love to b the team that ended up wit 2 1st rd pics the next 3 yrs and 2 2nds next yr. As far as wat wud i trade to move up for the best QB i cud get. Id do the 3 1st and 2nd to move to the top ovr all pick

    • spencer

      more like 6-10th range, that is if we keep on turning the ball over 3.8 times per game…which i doubt, or just hope won’t happen, their defense is finally catching up and Dabol seems to want to abuse Charles and force him to win the game by himself, which he has already done once this year and almost did last week

    • ladner morse

      As Patrick pointed out — the Chiefs may be about to start winning — and if Brady Quinn is in there I think the chances go up for that to happen. Even if the Chiefs won half or their games from here on out — they finish something like 6-10 or 7-9 — and like last season — it probably doesn’t get you in the bottom ten.

    • Chiefswatch

      Yes its unfortunate Cassel got injured, we will probably start winning games and lose out on Geno to the Raiders.

  • spencer

    The chiefs are too good despite their quarterback….,, if our offense didn’t average 3.8 turnovers a game i think we would be considered a top 10 defense this year, Charles refuses to let this team get blwn out, he has to make plays^^, speical teams is underrated for us IMO, or at least the punter and kicker are…

    i say TRADE NOW, trade for the brown 1st pick, exspecialy before they get new ownership in town, once that happens Brandon Weeden is getting shipped out of town, get their 1st before they do that, the browns despite 3 years? since Crennel has left has increased their talent level by 0, they actually seem to have gotten worse, despite their “star” running back, and “1st” round QB…,

    ehh smith is going to be like RG3 last, year, i was hoping to draft him late 1st early 2nd and getting a steal, then they feel like having Heisman seasons now need to go top 5, Not Saying Geno has won the Heisman but he, even if injured right now for the rest of the season, could still give a fight for that trophy, you just don’t do what he has done this year all the often, even if RG3 did it last year to a lesser degree

    • ladner morse

      You know — your “trade now” message has not fallen on deaf ears. I’m in agreement that the Chiefs can make at least some trades now — players for rounds and/or this years one for next year’s one+this years other picks (13 picks in Pioli’s basket gives him some immediate leeway) — for next season’s equivalent value — all with the idea of leveraging a quantity of picks for the highest pick possible come this Spring. The whole deal doesn’t even have to get down now but, parts of it can be accomplished.

  • MrCCG

    This article is 99.9% PERFECT.
    Here is the only place you went wrong… in my opinion.

    Your list of Untouchables

    The top of that list looks like this for me:
    1. Jamaal Charles
    2. Dwayne Bowe
    3. Eric Berry
    4. Tamba Hali
    5. Derrick Johnson
    6. Justin Houston
    Here is MY list of untouchables.
    1. Justin Houston
    2. Tamba Hali
    3. Eric Berry
    THAT’S IT! Nobody else should be considered untradable for a Franchise QB
    Don’t get me wrong. I love all of these guys, but if trading Charles or Bowe or BOTH would get this team a TRUE Franchise QB… IT IS WORTH IT EVERY TIME!!
    Nothing is more important that the QB. We can find another RB or WR or LB. Charles is special, yes, but so was Barry Sanders. You can’t build a championship contender year in and year out without a QB. There are always running backs available in every draft. Are they all special… no. At this point though, this team is going to run Charles into the ground because they can’t trust their QB.

    • Altarium

      A QB may be the most important part of a team, from both a playing and leading standpoint… but I would not trade Charles or Bowe. A good QB needs a good target, and right now no one else on the team looks to take Bowe’s place (that of course could change!). As far as Charles goes, look at the Packers. Rodgers is a great QB, but the Packers have a minimal running game, and it shows. It will be especially rough for them without Benson now!

    • ladner morse

      Although I am a Bowe fan and supporter — I think that the presence of a Geno Smith on the Chiefs roster make KC a favorable destination for a lot of FA WRs. I loved the Pierre Garcon signing by the Redskins.

      In a several ways you may be right — besides QB — the most impossible position to find good players to play at — is a rush end or LB.

  • DT58bestLBever

    I actually like your list of untouchables but would add Flowers.
    I think we should trade our owner, GM, and head coach along with whatever they want to get the #1 pick.

    • ladner morse

      I actually thought of the GM and HC trade too — just didn’t want to go there — but, glad YOU did! lol

    • Jarrod Field

      I’m with you there!

  • ThisChiefsFan

    Personally I don’t believe the demand for QB will be particularly high this year. I think the Redskins traded so much last year because there was so much competition for RG3 last year. This year there won’t be as many teams looking for a franchise QB, having said that I would still be fine if we gave what the redskins gave for Geno Smith. So I’m pretty sure we won’t need to trade away any players and I’ll think we’ll get a solid deal from whoever has the top pick this year.

    • ladner morse

      I just don’t understand why — after trading away so much value — the Redskins would draft a second QB — Kirk Cousins. Crazy. They have a load of other needs. Crazy.

  • ArrowFan

    This guy is going to revolutionize someones team, looking at the QB contenders I think there will be more than just the Chiefs wanting this guy. So lets through in a couple of first round drafted DE’s to sweeten any deal.

    • ladner morse

      I second that motion. I completely believe that Pitoitua and Bailey can do as good if not a better job than these 1st rounders playing like 4th rounders.

  • Matt Dickson

    Not willing to part with Jamal Charles? I’m sorry, but that reminds me of all the people who weren’t willing to trade Larry Johnson after his monster year. Obviously Johnson was a head case, but the simple fact stands– RBs have incredibly short shelf lives and Jamal’s would appear to be getting even shorter with his recently upped workload.

    Think I’m exaggerating? Look at how the immensely powerful Johnson became immensely ineffective after his high carry season, just one short year later.
    The fact of the matter is, if Charles escapes this season in one piece, he’ll probably finish as the NFL’s leading rusher (his yard per game avg almost guarentees it). His trade value will be at an all time high– but so will his susceptibility for a dip in next year’s performance. This makes it the PERFECT time to trade him.
    Does that sound cold or disloyal? Well it shouldn’t it’s football and not a relationship.
    If what it takes is Jamal Charles to trade up and get our franchise QBOTF, we’d be pennywise and pound foolish to not jump at the chance. I’ll take a franchise QB for the next 12-years over an increasingly less effective Charles for the next 2-3 years.
    How couldn’t you?

    • Chiefswatch

      Johnson and Jamaal comparison is just fucking stupid. Johnson could only run with a good run blocking game and once that disappeared, and he couldn’t find his hole he was done. Jamaal came in behind the same line and lit it up in the little time he did play in 2009. The biggest misconception is that Johnson was run into the ground, when really he just couldn’t run behind a weak line…..Jamaal is this team. I would rather have Barkely and Jamaal, than Jeno by himself.

      • ladner morse

        You know … a lot of peps think Barkley is a Cassel-clone. On the other hand … Barkley will be coming into the NFL with as much experience as Cassel has.

        My challenge with Bark — every time I watch him — he rarely gets me excited. I never say to myself — “that guy has got to be on my team.” With Geno Smith — that experience is almost every play and every down.

    • Doc

      While runnnig backs have a limited life span int he NFl, we would need to keep Charles while the franchise QB got through the first eyar just to take pressure off of him so he can learn coverages. Johnson stopped running effectively when he got his guranteed money. He lost his incentive to be productive IMO.

    • ladner morse

      You must be related to Pioli — sounds like a deal he would make. Honestly though, do you think Chiefs Kingdom would NOT revolt if JC was traded away at the height of his career?

      Of course — I could live with that loss — mostly because I really like Cyrus Gray — but, it’s the dynamics change in the locker room that would be twisted ugly as well. Every player would be saying — at least mentally — you (Geno Smith) better be great — cuz we gave up “the man” for you.

      How many players ever have had the yards per carry results that JC has had? I just don’t see that happening — changes the identity of the team too too much.

  • Chiefswatch

    This is a moot point. I assure you Cassel being gone is going to be enough to net us a lot more wins. We will beat Tampa, then the Raiders, then who knows. Quinn just has to not be a complete disaster to win these next two. So at the end of the year I truly believe there will be at least three teams more terrible than the Chiefs that would draft Geno Smith. These include Jacksonville, the Titans, and without question the Raiders. Personally I see the Raiders being in the bottom three and being the team to move up and take Geno. They will improve in the future, and the Chiefs will have to take the USC Gamble.

    • ladner morse

      Nightmare. Just didn’t want to say out loud what you — said out loud. Yikes!

      However, I’d be surprised if they don’t give Matt Leinart and Terrell Pryor a shot before they go down the 1st round QB road — besides they have so many other needs — and there are other high quality players there who could immediately help them.

    • DT58bestLBever

      I could see all these teams being worse than the chiefs also but… Jacksonville has Gabbert, Titans have Locker, and Raiders have Pryor and Palmer. I’m thinking these teams will be willing to get something for the #1 pick instead of taking another QB.

      • DT58bestLBever

        Oh and the Browns just drafted Weeden.


    We NEED GENO NOT Barkly! Like I’ve been sayin u draft Barkly and in 2-3 yrs he will pick up the nickname “LIL CASSEL” plus USC QB’s haven’t really showed much n the NFL as far as i can remember. Since we have 13 picks in next draft I would give up 3 picks 1st rounder, 5th rounder, n a 7th rounder with cassel n dorsey in 2013 if that isn’t enough than I would give 2nd round n 2014 , & finally If that deal isn’t sweet enough than i would give 1st round in 2015 all for The only one worth movin up for is GENO SMITH BABY!

    • ladner morse

      Great post. My fear is — Pioli is not the GM to make this move. I’m hoping and praying he can swing it — but, I have my doubts about what he will say is the “relative value” of the lost picks. The Chiefs can stash all the good players in the world away — but, if none of them is a franchise QB… this era will be lost as well.


    And I’m just confused about people wantin to get rid of BOWE! Yes BOWE might dropp a few passes but so has alot of BIG NAME WR’s. BOWE still gets 1100-1300 reception yards a yr and that’s with casshole throwin to him. Imagine what he can do when Geno throws a accurate pinpoint dart to him and for once in his last 4-5 years he won’t have to jump for a high ball or spin around to catch one thrown behind him constantly. Instead with GENO, BOWE will be able to catch a perfect throw in stride without having to adjust to the throw every time he can bring his yards up to somewhere round 1600 IMHO. With all the drops from mostly horrible throws or from shock one was actually on target, If we get GENO, BOWE IMHO WILL be a TOP 5 reciever in the NFL along with BALDWIN n top 10. If we keep EVERY1 BESIDES CASSEL N DORSEY HERE WE COME SUPERBOWL!!!………………….WE NEED A JJ WHATT FOR DORSEY SO I would move T-JAX TO DORSEY side to free up TAMBAS PASS RUSH BC HE DOESN’T PASS COVER VERY WELL SO BLITZ HIM EARLY N OFTEN and DRAFT THE 6’6″ OLB from BYU which runs the 400 meter n track (WICH CAN U IMAGINE THE O-LINE TRYIN TO BLOCK A 6’6″ 280 lb MONSTER THAT IS FAST LIKE A SAFETY BUT STRONG LIKE A BULL) “SCARY” and put him at DE in T-JAX spot for added pressure when Houston drops back in coverag.


    With the new CBA it actually will not cost the chiefs much for GENO untill after his first few initial years (RGIII-20million guaranteed for first few yrs, LUCK same thing 20.1 mill) If he pans out after those than yes he will cost a chunk of change. But to start he will recieve less than half Cassels contract givin”Which was like 55mil or so”. Bowe might be a great tradin tool but how n the HELL could u get rid of one of the two guys (CHARLES/BOWE) that keep this team on the map? Makes no sense where is the loyalty for ur teams best players bc without them two people would prolly think the KC CHIEFS WERE A FUTBOL(SOCCER FOR THE ONES WHO DONT GET THE MEANING OF THE WORD) TEAM LETS BE REAL!


      And if Bowe DIDN’T want to stay than y would he have bought a badass red n yellow charger this year or whatever with “82 THE SHOW” embroidered in the seats? For not wanting to be here he sure shows alot of pride in his team colors.

  • Joe

    who are we kidding we are not going to take a QB in the first. What is going to happen is Brady Q is going to come in and play poorly and then Cassel will come back to finish the season and put up numbers just-good-enough to justify not taking a qb in the first round and take a DE from LSU (there are 2 this year that are projected to be good) and Pioli will try to convince us that Cassel is good. And like always our first round DE from LSU pick will be a epic fail and Cassel will play the best to his ability (with is at best a mediocre backup) and we will suck next year too. you all mark my words Pioli will never admit that Cassel is just a backup and he is a horrible judge of first round talent. PS we are not going to sign bowe to a long term deal Pioli is to cheap to do so.

    • ladner morse

      Hey little ray of sunshine — why don’t you tell us what you really think.

      So — what’s your fantasy? Your wish? Your dream come true? Besides the nightmare material you just depressed us all with?

  • jpopejoy

    i’d give up any 2 players on the team + the 1st round pick. This is all assuming we get a legit Franchise QB, which I’ve not seen enough of Geno Smith YET. Barkley is still the safe bet (and just stop right now w/ the USC qb knock…that is a pete carrol thing, not USC).

    with that said…they may not have to trade up playing like this…may end up with a top 3 pick.

    • Corey Wayne Lande

      I dont think it was/is a Pete Carrol issue at all… case-in-point Bark decided to stay another year at UUSC why? Because his talent and stock fell last year; he is still hyped up because he is from USC (newsflash every QB from USC is hyped up) but his numbers are still the same and slightly falling off still from last year. My motto is just say no to USC QBs

      • ladner morse

        Second the motion.

  • Corey Wayne Lande

    great read and spot on except for the list of untouchables… Here is what it should be.

    1. JC
    2. Hali
    3. Houston
    4. Flowers
    5. Derrick Johnson

    The reason I put Berry in the mix to be traded was because statistically he is literally our worst Defender this year. When he has been out on the field he has just looked confused and unsure of himself. I think that his injury may have scared him a little too much and it is affecting his play. His hype however would still be able to get us somewhat of a ransom of either picks or trading fodder to move up in the draft. If he turns it around this season though then I would add him to the list of untouchables but as of right now I just dont see it.

    • ladner morse

      I think it was Patrick who pointed out that this season — for Eric Berry — is like another rookie season all over again. He’s still feeling his way physically — and I wouldn’t be surprised if he became the best Safety in the league one day. Now, if that happens — it would be so messed up to have ever traded him.

  • Danny W

    Great read. Play like BS of GS.

    • ladner morse

      The Future Home 2D Genome.

      • Danny W

        Blow for Geno
        Suck for Smith
        Junk it for Geno
        Just say yes to GS
        Lay down for G town
        Take Geno to the Casino
        Jamal and Geno 2013!
        LOL whatever it takes..

        • ladner morse

          Chiefs Hit D G-Spot

          • Danny W

            LOL you went there! I thought about it but didn’t. Hilarious.

    • ladner morse

      Say L-Yes 2 GS

  • Jarrod Field

    I would give up Bowe in a heartbeat to get Geno. Bowe is over-rated. Don’t get me wrong, he can be excellent, when he’s not being lazy…or whining. Baldwin isn’t much better in the attitude department, but he has every bit of Bowe’s ability and talent…I think this will be seen more and more as the year goes along. We definetely need a franchise QB and I would be so happy to see the Chiefs go after him.