Your Daily Daboll

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So…..Brian Daboll. I think it’s safe to say this is not what most of us had in mind. It’s like we went to a magic show, and instead of pulling a rabbit out of a hat, the magician pulled out another hat.

I won’t lie, I was pissed off when I first heard about Daboll’s hiring. Another New England guy with a track record of failure away from Belichick? Did we really just make that hire? Is this sandwich too old to eat? Such were my thoughts when I learned of Daboll.

I’m still not wild about the hire, obviously, but my feelings have mellowed a bit. My esteemed colleague Mr. Graverson delivered his usual optimistic perspective (complete with stats) earlier today, so you should go shout him a holler if you haven’t already. AA QB expert Jackie Rubbinson has made the case that Daboll was actually somewhat of a risk-taker last season with Miami. That was good to hear. If he wasn’t scared to attack with Matt Moore, maybe he won’t be scared to do so with Cassel either. For most of the past five years our offense has been like a kid who can’t wait to give the bully his lunch money. If Brian Daboll is able to change that, even if it results in a few more picks, he’ll have a friend in Big Matt.

Still, it is frustrating. The Chiefs had a chance to thrill, and instead they went right back to that New England recycle bin. The “Patriots West” meme used to be kind of a joke. There is no longer anything remotely funny about this. Familiarity is, by far, the  most important thing to Pioli and company when adding to the brain-trust. I can’t say I find that to be a very encouraging thought.

Think of it this way: was Brian Daboll the best candidate out there? Like, of all the coaches available, was he the best possible choice? If not, this “familiarity first” policy, like a lot of what the Chiefs do, is counterproductive.

Daboll is similar to Pioli, in a way. I don’t mean personally, of course, since I know little about his personality yet. I’m talking about performance, results and excuses. Both have been at their current level of employment for three years, and by the most objective measures, have achieved below-average results. Pioli’s Chiefs are 21-29; Daboll’s offenses have ranked an average of 28th. On the surface, both of these men have been bad at their jobs.  In order to paint a different picture, we need to make excuses for them.

Some of you undoubtedly bristled when you read the word “excuses.” Before you put on your “I’m angry and I have bad grammar” pants, hear me out. Excuses can be valid. In both Pioli and Daboll’s case, the excuse-du-jour is how bad their teams were before their arrival. And it’s true: the Chiefs were awful before Pioli came to town, and the Browns’ offense was bad before Daboll.

Here’s the thing, though, about the “he took over a bad team/unit” excuse: it doesn’t say anything positive about the man in question. All it does is mitigate the negative. If you’re trying to argue that someone is good at their job, it should take a lot more than “things were also bad before he got here.”

In Daboll’s case, all that excuse tells us is that he failed where other men failed. Hardly a ringing endorsement. In Pioli’s case, apologists are still referencing the 2008 team as a reason we don’t have depth in 2012. The word “rebuilding” was used in the comment section of my post last week. It’s Pioli’s fourth year on the job, and people are acting like he hasn’t had enough time to find a backup QB who can throw a spiral, a right tackle who isn’t the worst lineman in the league, or a backup safety who will have more tackles than facepalms. The excuse-train runs off the tracks pretty easily, I guess.

I mean really, how simple is it to come up with semi-plausible excuses? Crazy-simple.* My worst employee recently told me she thinks someone put a curse on her and her girlfriend. This was her way of explaining away her own incompetence. Mark Donovan, if you’re reading this, feel free to put that one in your back pocket. My gift to you. I know you prefer the indignant route, but it’s always good to have options.

*Let’s try a little exercise here.  You reference a terrible decision or player from the Chiefs’ past, and I will make up an excuse. I challenge you to come up with a gaffe I can’t cover for. No Herm stuff though. I refuse to do that, even in jest.

Back to Daboll. This move didn’t just generate a “love it or hate it” response. Equally prevalent is the “let’s just wait and see” attitude. I’ve been seeing this a lot lately in the Chiefs webosphere. I don’t want to rag on the mindset, as its proponents are nearly always rational, respectable commenters. And of course, there is truth in this perspective. We don’t know for sure if this was a good move yet; we can’t. But this is what sports-talk is about: opinions, and the reasoning behind them. We don’t know yet, so we go with what we have. If we’re smart, we realize we may be wrong. If we’re dumb, we know for a fact we’re right. Either way, it’s perfectly acceptable to have an opinion before you know all the facts, as long as your mind is flexible enough to change when new facts come along.

Easier said than done? Definitely. But this is how we live our lives. I don’t know for a fact that I would hate the movie One For The Money, because I haven’t seen itThe fact that Katherine Heigl’s smile makes me cringe is enough to tip me off that in this case, this is probably not a movie I would enjoy. Do I have to watch the movie start to finish to figure that out? Do I have to touch a stove every time I turn it on to figure out it’s hot?

Fortunately, Brian Daboll can’t possibly be as bad as Katherine Heigl. In fact, if you look only at his time in Miami, he seems like a guy who has upside. I no longer find myself upset about this hire. Annoyed would be a more accurate word. And even that isn’t necessarily because I think he’ll be bad. Expectations are very low; he could easily meet them. If our offense is even in the top 20, I think we’ll all be satisfied, and our team will probably be pretty good.

I’m just annoyed, like a lot of people, that Scott Pioli doesn’t seem to be able to get past this Patriots imitation. He just keeps adding their castoffs, and scratching his head when it doesn’t work. Meanwhile the two men responsible for New England’s success are still there. And the one person we really need to understand that is the only one who hasn’t yet figured it out.

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Honestly Clark Hunt hire's me it gonna be with the understanding I'm using a first, second or third round pick on a QB every year until we land one. Drop and trade the ones that don't work and move on to the next one and I'm not talking about landing a guy like Andy Dalton as good as he looked I'm talking about a real franchise QB. If you were gonna waste picks then settle on Dalton you might as well not and just keep Orton or Cassel. I'm talking about landing a real solid QB.

I say draft two to three QB's each year until we find our franchise guy and I'm not talking about these fifth round guys we try everyonce in a while I'm talking about using high picks till we land our guy. Pioli would get killed but if we ended up with a Eli, Payton, Rodgers, or Breeze within two, three, four years then all would be forgiven. It doesn't matter who we draft anyways until we get a QB we will be one and done at the best. I'd rather go all out on QB's until we landed one then while he matures then build a team around him. Teams try to build a team then get a QB but by the time they find a QB and develop him their having to start rebuilding anyway because their team is already getting old. Today's NFL has to have a QB to win so as unconventional it would be and expensive as 1st round QB's are it would still be better to try and get your franchise guy then build around him.

Talk about hires, Halley being the OC for the Steelers now that's a conversation. I hope his hire isn't a sign that Halley wasn't the Crazy one and Pioli was. I mean for Halley to think his phone and room were tapped then something had to have happened that wasn't normal rather it included phone tapping or not. Something has to happen to set off even Crazy people. The Steelers are obviously the most respected franchise their is not matter how hateful, stupid, and crazy Steeler fans are and for Halley to land that gig he obviously doesn't have a reputation for being too crazy, well at least on the East coast. Obviously Tomlin facing Halley's offense in the Super Bowl had an impact on him. I've said it before and haven't wavered on it, I would love to have Halley as our offensive coordinator. It's the same with Crennel, I love and want him as our Coordinator just not our head coach. A head coach is different bread than most and Halley and unfortunately Crennel are not among that bread. I'm not too upset over the Crennel hire even though I think we could have kept him on as the coordinator even if we hired another coach becuase of Crennel's age he won't be around for long and hopefully he will build a dominate defense and during that time maybe find a franchise QB for the first time in over 35 years.

The only positive thing I can get myself up over is Daboll and How he utilized Reggie Bush. We have McCluster a high second round pick with tons of talent that no KC coach has been able to unlock. I watched Sproles go to the Saints and Coach Payton didn't waste anytime utilizing Sproles's unique skill set which is similar to McClusters skill set although Sproles is a little thicker in his lower half and probably a harder runner but still a very similar skill set out of the backfield as well as with Bush. Now Bush was not very good in New Orleans but Daboll found away to utilize Reggie in a very productive way in fact Reggie's best year as a pro so if Daboll is gonna win part of it will come from how he uses McCluster. That will show us how smart and creative Daboll is or isn't. Now thats not all he has to do I understand but for me it will be very telling if he's a coach who forces his way over the players are he takes what he has and utilizes his players to their best ability. There's nothing more upsetting when coaches only have their system and play it rather they have the personal for it or not. A good coach utilizes what he has and builds towards a future that has the players that match his system.

Although I'm fairly happy with the hire, not terribly excited but, I think he may be a good fit. However, you make a good point, "Familiarity is, by far, the most important thing to Pioli and company when adding to the brain-trust. I can’t say I find that to be a very encouraging thought." What concerns me about that is that if Pioli continues to do this... he'll never stand on his own, make his own "way" and forge his own identity. Even more disconcerting is... what happens when his well dries up? I'm guessing Belichick retires before Pioli and when that happens... who will he lean on then?

I'm waiting too. I want to see if Bowe will now sign or will he try and run for the hills.

Kudos BM for the fair and balanced approach. I'm still pulling for you! I will be honest - I had my hopes up for Saunders and was disappointed at 1st when I heard we went Daboll. But then I decided I could be wrong and you what that means don't you BM? So I decided to do some research to see just how frustrated I would be with this decision and how much I would have to agree with your railing on the NE connection. Here's why I realized I may have been wrong at first (and, again, you know what that means right BM?) Yes the teams he has been OC for have sucked but more importantly they both got better under him rather than treading water or getting even worse - although to be honest 2009 Browns were 32nd so they couldn't gotten worse but they could have tread water at the bottom of the well instead they improved to 29th - I know not earth shattering by any means but as Lyle said, look at what he had to work with compared to what we have for him. I also think the biggest reason for us passing on Al have much more to do with starting all over vs. Daboll's adaptable to player skill set than being "cheap". Pioli's only got 2 more years and if we struggle out of the gate and end up sucking cuz Al's system is very intricate and hard to learn well then there was ONE. Thanks to Josh over at KC Chiefs.com for the following facts to overshadow the "crappy job" he did before: "Daboll joins the Chiefs after one season (2011) in Miami where he held the same position for the Dolphins. In 2011, the Dolphins offense had both a 1,000-yard rusher and a 1,000-yard receiver for the first time in franchise history. RB Reggie Bush picked up 1,086 yards on 216 carries and had five 100-yard rushing performances. WR Brandon Marshall caught a team-high 81 passes for 1,214 yards and recorded five 100-yard receiving days en route to a Pro Bowl appearance on the AFC squad. QB Matt Moore finished fifth in the AFC and 12th in the NFL with an 87.1 passer rating. Under Daboll, the Miami offense committed only 39 penalties in 2011, tying for the third best mark in the NFL." HE also reduced their turnover ratio by 50%. Most importantly in ONE YEAR w/o a full offseason and going through a QB change while implementing a new offense. I'm right there with Lyle, on the homer thing as I believe everyone will agree. I think we should start a club called Homer's House. I'll start it off with this Homerism: If Nick Saban would recommend him to Bill Belichick who not only hired him but kept him for SIX years and RAC who obviously knows exactly what he is getting in Daboll wanting him here should speak VOLUMES (edited for (G) General audience rating) to all of us speculators. "Excuses are supported by opinions - Reasons are supported by facts"

@KC MikeG If you guys are the homer-house me and my ilk need a name as well. The dog house? "But then I decided I could be wrong and you what that means don't you BM?" By mine own words, that means smart. Well played. I actually don't think Daboll was hired for cheapness either. The difference between a top coordinator and a young guy like Daboll is probably only a few hundred K per year. I can't imagine the Chiefs would be so cheap as to try and go bargain-basement on a coordinator salary. That would be pretty crazy.

@Big Matt @KC MikeG Could I suggest the "Beating a Dead Dog" That's beating a dead horse - Vick style. Thanks. Agree on the money. So do you think I'm right on ease/speed of implementation?

@Big Matt Still waiting on my Babin "excuse". I noticed you didn't comment on the Saban to Belichick to RAC connections being a pretty successful group of coaches for Daboll to have studied under. Don't you think that his is a very experienced road to KC if you look at his entire history?

Letting Jason Babin go. 12.5 sacks in 2010 and 18 sacks in 2011. You got some splainin to do Lucy! Oh and you can't use that the brilliant God of coaching Jeff Fisher let him go too - stick to why we did. Good luck!

@KC MikeG Correct me if im wrong but didnt the chiefs draft Babin?

@rockygentleman No but I've heard that before he was drafted by Texans 3 years before we picked him up on November 12, 2008, after Seattle cut him 2 weeks after trading Boulware for him. Another brilliant move. We picked him up because DE Brian Johnston was placed on IR. After the 2008 season, Babin became a free agent - nice work Carl. Then he bounced back and forth between Philly and Tenn who let him go back after a 12.5 sack year - brains galore when it comes to scouting Babin. He signed 5 year / $28 million contract with Philly this year.

@KC MikeG @rockygentleman I think Babin not resigning with the Chiefs after 08' (which I think is on Pioli's watch) was a casualty of scheme change more than anything. Babin is the prototypical pass rushing DE in a 4-3 but he doesn't have the size to play DE in a 3-4. To stay with the Chiefs he would've had to become a linebacker and who knows how that would've worked. He's turned into a great player though for sure.

@KC MikeG Babin got his sacks in Tennessee as a 4-3 DE. If im not mistaken we run a 3-4 defense that Babin would be useless in unless he could convert into an OLB but that's a stretch I couldn't see Babin transferring to OLB. Now I hate to see an ex Chief playing so well when he could still be on our team but in this case I'm tired of hearing KC fans talk about waiving Babin being such a terrible decision. Now if you wanna say switching to a 3-4 instead of staying at a 4-3 and utilizing all the 4-3 talent we had then I would listen to that argument but you think Dorsey is a square peg in a round hole in this 3-4 system then Babin would be a watermelon trying to squeeze out of a lemon, it's not pretty.

Good article. Like you I was annoyed by Pioli's Patriot's connection hire. However, I will say that to hold that connection against Daboll is unfair to Daboll. I was hoping for Mike Sherman as OC but, that didn't happen. Daboll's a young guy who hasn't been an OC very long that people seem to like. Unfortunately he seems to be attached to head coaches who don't last long at their current position. Hopefully for him and us the third time is a charm. I'm firmly in the wait and see with a hint of excitement stemming from the fact that he's a young guy and new to the team. I'm interested to see what he'll do. By the way, an odd fact that I found was that Daboll has not been OC for a team where one QB was QB for the whole season. His first year as OC with the Browns Brady Quinn played 3 games and then Derek Anderson 13. His 2nd year, Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace managed to play 5 games before rookie Colt McCoy took over due to injury. His first year with the Dolphins, last year, Chad Henne started 4 games before being replaced by Matt Moore.

@Ehud That is a who's who of bad quarterbacks.

@Big Matt @Ehud Exactly yet the offenses got better in spite of that - hmmm wonder why?

@KC MikeG @Ehud Matt Moore has got to be the best of the bunch. It makes sense Daboll would do the best with him. The Browns improvement was very small.

@Big Matt @KC MikeG@Ehud True about the browns offense not getting much better, but consider this - the last 10 years the Browns total offensive ranks have been: 29, 29, 32, 31, 8, 31, 26, 28, 26, 23. I am not sure if it is fair to grade this guy on the Browns offensive performances. The Browns offense is kind of just.... bad.

@Ehud The youth factor is something that is both exciting and important about this hire. He is relatively unknown, where as say Al Saunders is fully recognized. But in order to sustain a playoff team for years, we need some of the coaches to be able to take over as others retire, or seek opportunity elsewhere. The QB switch for this guy has been god awful... great point.

I am of the "wait and see" approach. This is truly a great opportunity for Daboll. We have the talent on offense and a top defense. Pioli is putting this guy into a situation that he should succeed in. If he does not succeed, however, there will be no excuses such as 'he took over a bad unit' available to him. And further than that, Pioli will be running very low on excuses for himself. One thing I do believe though, is that both Pioli and Crennel are acutely aware that time is a-tickin. I do feel that they truly believe in this guys abilities, and did not 'just' hire him. PS: A new and good RT & QB, as well as signing Bowe and Carr would help the OC, HC, and GM all retain their respective positions for much longer.

@huckdaddy "One thing I do believe though, is that both Pioli and Crennel are acutely aware that time is a-tickin" What gives you the impression that Pioli in particular feels that way? I really would like to think he does, but I haven't seen much evidence of that. This Daboll hire seems to me like it came from a couple guys who are pretty secure in their position. Would they so brazenly hire another Pats castoff if thety were feelin' the heat? I would think they'd have gone for a more popular choice in that case.

@Big Matt @huckdaddy Being popular doesn't win championships. He only has two years left on his contract and the egomaniac admitted he has made bad decisions and needs to do his job better. That's where I've gotten my impression. With you all the way but unless we get Orton or Foles (2nd round pick assumption) or Stanzi light it up in camp there isn't another FA out there that would be any better in our system than Cassel. Besides this is an even year - check his stats. Time for some 2012 magic!

@Big Matt I say that for a few reasons, but most importantly because the team is so close, not necessarily that Pioli personally feels a lot of heat. I see this roster as being very, very solid from top to bottom already, but will be more so after this offseason. We are no longer in rebuilding mode - it is time to win. Because of all this, there will be no reason to not win a playoff game next year, in my opinion. He had a part in a couple of key decisions that cost us the playoffs this year, and must learn from them. He has to know the time is now, and there are no more excuses. If we do not win a playoff game in the next two years, I could see Pioli getting canned. As for Crennel, the guy is 65. He said in an interview, "I hope to win the last ring here in KC," or something to that affect. He does not have that many years left in the game. The pieces are in place to go on a nice run here - but upgrades in a few key positions would speed that process along as well as give the ability to sustain for years, which in turn would lengthen the stay of our coaches and GM.

awastevenson 21 pts

Just to play your game Ryan Sims/Junior Saivii or maybe every DT for the last decade what is your excuse.

I also need to know where you got the headdress? I need to continue the brain washing of my 9 month old and I think he would look good running around with one.

As always nice articles.

jackie rubbinson 27 pts

Not to ramble, but I didn't say this explicitly. Because Pioli just hired one of his buddies. All of his buddies mistakes are on Pioli's head.

I'm looking past Daboll at Pioli on literally everything. This is perverse.

jackie rubbinson 27 pts

Great last line. So true. And hilarious "bad grammar" line.

The untold story of NE in the super bowl is that the Patriots had a defense of NFL rejects. They were without their best offensive weapon in Gronkowski. They still nearly won. Should have won. Giants fumbled 3 times and got the ball back each time. Only Bellichek.

I think I've landed somewhere similar on Pioli. He isn't incompetent. He's insecure. He's someone who doesn't have the force of will that comes from having an excess of good ideas. That said, his drafts have been respectable. Tyson Jackson is a universally recognized mistake and the Shakespearean tragedy of $8 million a year to Cassel is nearly ending. If Pioli can look in the mirror and have a little gratitude that he's survived, there's hope.

I expect to watch Haley succeed in Pittsburg and smile on the inside. This more than anything exposes Pioli. At the same time if we get Orton in to use these offensive weapons I can be content secretly hating Pioli while our team succeeds. I guess I'm like a girlfriend who is agreeing to make peace, but is one miss-step away from totally losing it.

Danny W 137 pts

Big Matt

I dont know why a good writer like youself has to hate all the time man. Whats wrong with angry people? The only kind of pants my wife will buy me are I am angry and I have bad grammer pants! I get fired from jobs all the time because people like you dont beleive people like me get cursed! That excuse is legitimate mate you need to take your blinders off.

KC Oracle 68 pts

How important is the offensive coordinator? I realize he must be competent. But are there offensive coordinators who have had a solid record of success demonstrated with two teams? If not, doesn't it seem like it is primarily the players?

By the way, I think the Chiefs will do very well in our division over the next few years. Whether they accomplish anything in the playoffs is an entirely different story. Probably not with Cassell.

Danny W 137 pts

KC Oracle Offensive Coordinator is a really big deal. The last three years we've seen just how important that someone can be. Its very easy to plan for a predictable run first and second and sometimes draw play on third down. You could have Drew Brees and all of his team mates but if you dont utilize the teams talents effectively they're of no use. You can play Marty Ball if you want but teams like the Patriots, and the Saints will dominate you.

KC Oracle 68 pts

Danny W:

You may be correct that an offensive coordinator is a "really big deal," but you are assuming there is causation between bad offense and the offensive coordinator (and good offense). I think it is more likely heavily dependent on the players and any competent offensive coordinator would look good witht high quality players.

I had tried to look at causation by asking if there offensive coordinators who have had a solid record of success demonstrated with two teams. Another relevant question would be OC's who came in and made a big difference with the same players.

People make a big deal of playcalling, in part because the results are right in front of us, but there are not that many plays in the NFL and all teams run the same basic plays. Obviously, surprise and adjustments play some role, but I'm looking for proof that some OC's are better than others.

Danny W 137 pts

KC Oracle Man Oracle I know your smart but your tellin me you really dont believe one coordinator isnt better than another?

KC Oracle 68 pts

Danny W:

You are switching subjects (albeit based on one line from my comment). I questioned how important an OC is assuming basic competence and how we know OC is "a really big deal" As to the one line you refer to, I probably should have said I'm looking for proof that some OC's are significantly better than others (again, assuming basic competenence).

I never said that at some level one coordinator would not be better than another. I think to some extent that has to be true, but I don't know how to reliably judge that other than the situation where an OC takes over an in tact offense and the offense's performance can be compared to the year before.

Again, I think the importance of an OC is overrated. Do we see them in high demand or heavy competition between teams to get a particular OC?

FmsAmos 13 pts

Honestly Clark Hunt hire's me it gonna be with the understanding I'm using a first, second or third round pick on a QB every year until we land one. Drop and trade the ones that don't work and move on to the next one and I'm not talking about landing a guy like Andy Dalton as good as he looked I'm talking about a real franchise QB. If you were gonna waste picks then settle on Dalton you might as well not and just keep Orton or Cassel. I'm talking about landing a real solid QB.

Danny W 137 pts

Why would you draft three players every year when you could just do what it takes to trade up and get a guy whose already there? I'm sure Luck could be bought, then your not wasting your time with three picks. Just get it done in one year with a bunch of guys. I like the fact you want a qb though. I wish they would sell the farm to get a guy too.

FmsAmos 13 pts

I say draft two to three QB's each year until we find our franchise guy and I'm not talking about these fifth round guys we try everyonce in a while I'm talking about using high picks till we land our guy. Pioli would get killed but if we ended up with a Eli, Payton, Rodgers, or Breeze within two, three, four years then all would be forgiven. It doesn't matter who we draft anyways until we get a QB we will be one and done at the best. I'd rather go all out on QB's until we landed one then while he matures then build a team around him. Teams try to build a team then get a QB but by the time they find a QB and develop him their having to start rebuilding anyway because their team is already getting old. Today's NFL has to have a QB to win so as unconventional it would be and expensive as 1st round QB's are it would still be better to try and get your franchise guy then build around him.

kctenn44 47 pts

FmsAmos can you even imagine how much heat pioli would take for drafting two or three qbs 2 years in a row?!?! even if we did find "The One" what about the four to five backups we've just stockpiled not to mention potentially great players we would've passed up on to get the same position over and over never gonna happen also an example why it hasn't happened yet

FmsAmos 13 pts

kctenn44 It's Crazy it's stupid it's not gonna happen I get it but it wouldn't matter how many great players we passed on until you get a QB your not gonna win a Champinship, ya ya I know you can list teams that won without a good QB I get it nothing is impossible but today's NFL is totally different and we would definitely pass on some great players but when you have a franchise QB he makes players better. You can have the best WR's in the league but without a QB it doesn't matter. You pass on great players then land a Franchise QB for the next 12-15 years you'll have plenty of time to build a team around that QB

KC MikeG 320 pts

FmsAmoskctenn44 You're right it is crazy and stupid so why would you say it? One minute you're all knowledgeable and the next you're stupid - which is it? And it does matter how many great players you pass on because this is a team game. Elite QB's help carry teams but they can't do it by themselves. Look at what happened to Peyton when his run game diminished and his OL deteriorated. Got smacked around so much his career may be over.

FmsAmos 13 pts

kc MikeG Maybe I said Pioli should draft and draft QB's until we land one not becaus I think in any way in hell that's gonna happen but saying it because I'm a 30 year old life long Chief fan who has never watched a Chief team with a legit QB behind center. Yaha we had Montana and I loved it and going to the AFC Champioship was special but Montana was on his last leg. KC had never had a franchise QB in my life-time and all I want is for KC to draft a franchise guy and he be the Chiefs starting QB for 10-15 years and I'm so sick of it I'm at the point were if almost rather the Chiefs use every damn draft pick on QB's until we find a franchise QB and I'm sure I'm not the only KC who is so sick of KC not having a QB their ready to do just about whatever it takes to get one. You wanna take what I said serious then that's you, we already know your not very bright so I don't expect you to be able to figure out on your own when somone is speaking facts or fantasy so I'll let you know this was me speaking over fantasy and frustration and willing to do anything for a franchise QB. Hell as Pioli if my scouts told me Luck or Griffin was just that a franchise QB then I would give every draft pick we had for the next two years to trade up for him maybe even three years. That's how sick i am of not having a QB and when it comes down to it I'm sure I'm not alone, you can't say we'd be any better for having all those draft picks and still no QB in three years than having a franchise QB and no draft picks for three years. I truely think our current roster along with a franchise QB is a great team.

KC MikeG 320 pts

kctenn44FmsAmos Don't argue with amos he is the top expert on all things football - just go along quietly of he will tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. That really carries a lot of water after his draft strategy though doesn't it?

FmsAmos 13 pts

Talk about hires, Halley being the OC for the Steelers now that's a conversation. I hope his hire isn't a sign that Halley wasn't the Crazy one and Pioli was. I mean for Halley to think his phone and room were tapped then something had to have happened that wasn't normal rather it included phone tapping or not. Something has to happen to set off even Crazy people. The Steelers are obviously the most respected franchise their is not matter how hateful, stupid, and crazy Steeler fans are and for Halley to land that gig he obviously doesn't have a reputation for being too crazy, well at least on the East coast. Obviously Tomlin facing Halley's offense in the Super Bowl had an impact on him. I've said it before and haven't wavered on it, I would love to have Halley as our offensive coordinator. It's the same with Crennel, I love and want him as our Coordinator just not our head coach. A head coach is different bread than most and Halley and unfortunately Crennel are not among that bread. I'm not too upset over the Crennel hire even though I think we could have kept him on as the coordinator even if we hired another coach becuase of Crennel's age he won't be around for long and hopefully he will build a dominate defense and during that time maybe find a franchise QB for the first time in over 35 years.

FmsAmos 13 pts

The only positive thing I can get myself up over is Daboll and How he utilized Reggie Bush. We have McCluster a high second round pick with tons of talent that no KC coach has been able to unlock. I watched Sproles go to the Saints and Coach Payton didn't waste anytime utilizing Sproles's unique skill set which is similar to McClusters skill set although Sproles is a little thicker in his lower half and probably a harder runner but still a very similar skill set out of the backfield as well as with Bush. Now Bush was not very good in New Orleans but Daboll found away to utilize Reggie in a very productive way in fact Reggie's best year as a pro so if Daboll is gonna win part of it will come from how he uses McCluster. That will show us how smart and creative Daboll is or isn't. Now thats not all he has to do I understand but for me it will be very telling if he's a coach who forces his way over the players are he takes what he has and utilizes his players to their best ability. There's nothing more upsetting when coaches only have their system and play it rather they have the personal for it or not. A good coach utilizes what he has and builds towards a future that has the players that match his system.

KC MikeG 320 pts

FmsAmos I never thought it could ever happen but I agree 100% with you on this one. If used properly and on the right number of plays Dexter could end up challenging Berry for the best pick for us in 2010.

laddiemorse 205 pts

Although I'm fairly happy with the hire, not terribly excited but, I think he may be a good fit. However, you make a good point, "Familiarity is, by far, the most important thing to Pioli and company when adding to the brain-trust. I can’t say I find that to be a very encouraging thought." What concerns me about that is that if Pioli continues to do this... he'll never stand on his own, make his own "way" and forge his own identity. Even more disconcerting is... what happens when his well dries up? I'm guessing Belichick retires before Pioli and when that happens... who will he lean on then?

ArrowFan 205 pts

I'm waiting too. I want to see if Bowe will now sign or will he try and run for the hills.

KC MikeG 320 pts

Kudos BM for the fair and balanced approach. I'm still pulling for you! I will be honest - I had my hopes up for Saunders and was disappointed at 1st when I heard we went Daboll. But then I decided I could be wrong and you what that means don't you BM? So I decided to do some research to see just how frustrated I would be with this decision and how much I would have to agree with your railing on the NE connection. Here's why I realized I may have been wrong at first (and, again, you know what that means right BM?)

Yes the teams he has been OC for have sucked but more importantly they both got better under him rather than treading water or getting even worse - although to be honest 2009 Browns were 32nd so they couldn't gotten worse but they could have tread water at the bottom of the well instead they improved to 29th - I know not earth shattering by any means but as Lyle said, look at what he had to work with compared to what we have for him. I also think the biggest reason for us passing on Al have much more to do with starting all over vs. Daboll's adaptable to player skill set than being "cheap". Pioli's only got 2 more years and if we struggle out of the gate and end up sucking cuz Al's system is very intricate and hard to learn well then there was ONE.

Thanks to Josh over at KC Chiefs.com for the following facts to overshadow the "crappy job" he did before:

"Daboll joins the Chiefs after one season (2011) in Miami where he held the same position for the Dolphins. In 2011, the Dolphins offense had both a 1,000-yard rusher and a 1,000-yard receiver for the first time in franchise history. RB Reggie Bush picked up 1,086 yards on 216 carries and had five 100-yard rushing performances. WR Brandon Marshall caught a team-high 81 passes for 1,214 yards and recorded five 100-yard receiving days en route to a Pro Bowl appearance on the AFC squad. QB Matt Moore finished fifth in the AFC and 12th in the NFL with an 87.1 passer rating. Under Daboll, the Miami offense committed only 39 penalties in 2011, tying for the third best mark in the NFL." HE also reduced their turnover ratio by 50%. Most importantly in ONE YEAR w/o a full offseason and going through a QB change while implementing a new offense.

I'm right there with Lyle, on the homer thing as I believe everyone will agree. I think we should start a club called Homer's House. I'll start it off with this Homerism: If Nick Saban would recommend him to Bill Belichick who not only hired him but kept him for SIX years and RAC who obviously knows exactly what he is getting in Daboll wanting him here should speak VOLUMES (edited for (G) General audience rating) to all of us speculators.

"Excuses are supported by opinions - Reasons are supported by facts"

Big Matt 199 pts

KC MikeG

If you guys are the homer-house me and my ilk need a name as well. The dog house?

"But then I decided I could be wrong and you what that means don't you BM?"

By mine own words, that means smart. Well played.

I actually don't think Daboll was hired for cheapness either. The difference between a top coordinator and a young guy like Daboll is probably only a few hundred K per year. I can't imagine the Chiefs would be so cheap as to try and go bargain-basement on a coordinator salary. That would be pretty crazy.

KC MikeG 320 pts

Big MattKC MikeG Could I suggest the "Beating a Dead Dog" That's beating a dead horse - Vick style.

Thanks. Agree on the money. So do you think I'm right on ease/speed of implementation?