Rehabilitating Todd Haley

@jpopejoy Don't get me wrong - I'm not happy with Cassel. To the point if he plays poorly in SD and Vikes then I'll be screaming for Stanzi. The only class I was putting them in was for making bad decisions. But now that you don't want to have a conversation I'll help you have one. Theyboth sat on the bench for years before getting their chance to play when the starter got hurt. Both have had up and down seasons, make poor decisions and have been questioned if they are really the future of their franchises. Cassel has only had one playoff game to play crappy in but Romo lost the 2006 one single handedly, threw an INT to knock them out in 2007, threw 3 INT/ 0 TD's in a 44-6 blow out in 2008, had 3 fumbles and a INT in a 34-3 blowout following his 1st playoff win and ended up on IR in 2010 with his own players talking about Kitna being the starter in 2011. Cassel's 2010 27TD/7 INT is better than Romo's last FOUR years. You're right NO comparison....

ah. every QB has a bad game (brett favre?...even Brady in the playoffs the last 2 years). But you can't put Cassel and Romo in the same class b/c it's not even close. if you do, i just can't have a conversation about this ;) @KC MikeG

@jpopejoy Romo contract was 1.4M more over 6 years

@KC MikeG lost track...how much is WHO making vs Cassel?

@Double D No but when the offense continues to go 3 and out or turn the ball over in our own end it wears down the D. Plus we are a D that is growing up together and have been successful by bending but not breaking. Not much room to bend inside your own 40.

Opponents have scored 55 points this season on drives beginning in Kansas City territory.

@jpopejoy And the week before he turned the ball over twice which led to them losing the game. And how much is he making vs Cassel?

@huckdaddy Another part of the problemis that he is throwing to a bunch of new guys (Breaston, Urban, Colbert, Copper w/ limited play time, Baldwin and Horne yet to come) w/o an offseason and a limited camp. Everyone complains that he locks onto Bowe but last year we didn't have anyone else who could get free or catch the ball if they did. Losing Moeaki just makes it worse.

@Big Jim And why is it that after getting our ass kicked two weeks in a row with a ridiculous # of penalties, turnoverrs and missed tackles there is not one player in the dog house?? Something is up. Haley should be rockin the locker room but instead is taking all of the heat. Somebody has a muzzle/leash on him this year. WHO? and WHY?

@jpopejoy Two other contributing factors, beyond his own inconsistancy and limitations, to Cassel's decline last year was the collapse of our interior OL and the defenses double teaming Bowe. Tired of people trying to blame Haley for Cassel's struggles while ignoring that he struggled 3 out of the 4 games to start the year WITH Chuck the guru.

also you're ignoring that Larry Fitzgerald has said OPENLY the last 2 years that he wants to play for Haley again. maybe the players actually like/respect him more than you... @jimbobjo

dislike the guy all you want. When weis left, go look up Cassel's #s. I've posted it before...437 total yards in 4 games, 1 td, 10 turnovers. That is why they are losing. You cannot win, when your QB is turning the ball over at a rate of 40 turnovers a seaons. Additionally, he turned Fitzgerald from a VERY good WR to an elite WR. He turned Bowe from a spoiled egomaniac into a humble elite receiver. Under Haley, Hali went from an "eh" player, to one of the best pass rushers in the game. He has redeeming qualities, AND has subdued his temper the last year or so...maybe you should watch some press conferences and his sideline demeanor TODAY instead of making judgements how he is 3 and 4 years ago. So he has made a lot of improvements. However, if you decide you don't want to recognize any of those, there is no reason to continue this discourse... hate away, but the guy will be a successful head coach somewhere. 2 wins to 10 wins in 2 years. I just hope we keep him around and give him more time to build a team.@jimbobjo

myfinal comment to those who think haley has some redeeming features as a coach. you apprently missed his temper tamtrums with boldin and warner in arizona and his side line whining in kc however for those who back theselves up with his accommplishments last year i say check the soring differential between chiefs and opps after weiss announced he was leaving last year and tell me who inspired the wins

Absolutely true. And players are keeping their comments to themselves or they end up in the legendary Haley dog house which means all you are going to do is ride the pines

@Double D@huckdaddy@kentuckychiefsfan after KC was down 7-3, they stopped the lions THREE STRAIGHT TIMES. two of them being 3 and outs (so was the 3rd one, but the BS 15'yd unnecessary roughness on the punt...which we still held them afterwards). Our offense did NOTHING with that (two of them were 3 and outs). 3 straight stops is good. if our O was worth anything, even at sustaining a long drive and changing field position, it would be much easier so they do make stops, but you know how it goes...the longer you are on the field, the harder it is. and our D just wore down

@KC MikeG@mikhel Like I said in another response, the D still needs to man up and prove they make a stop whether it's on our 20 or on theirs.

@jpopejoy@huckdaddy@kentuckychiefsfan Still, is it too much to ask of the D to make a stop every now and then, and I mean regardless of field position?

Great post ! While as a Chief's fan I am certainly concerned about our quality of play so far, I think you did a good job of fleshing out some of the more subtle nuances of our teams current state of dysfunction.

there was nofailure in cleveland he got more out of what he had than clevelandhad for years. the right coach can get a lot out of his team as a fan thats all i ask

@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan yeah i believe the average starting field position is the 45........ our own 45. doesn't bode well for the d.

also just heard...of the 28 defensive possessions we've been on the field...20 of them have started on the other side of the 50. that is also an impossible situation. @huckdaddy @kentuckychiefsfan

yep...9 turnovers in 2 games will do that. 5 by our QB. @huckdaddy @kentuckychiefsfan

@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan That's just the thing. We seem to be so close, yet we give up 90 and score 10 against Buf and Det.

@huckdaddy@kentuckychiefsfan Defense is actually *really close* to being what we need. Upgrade at one ILB, need a NT, and i'd like to upgrade Carr, but that's about it. After that, depth is the game. Offense - *assuming baldwin will be a 1st round pick type of WR* - we really only need a RT, hope Hudson fills in well for Weigmann, then to be honest...we need a QB. That is what's holding us back the most right now. then again...DEPTH. But having McClain and Charles in the backfield is great. DMC as a gimmick player, then Bowe/Baldwin could be scary if we get a guy that can make all the reads. and we need an OC. If we end up being 2-14, it'll will be deceiving, imo. So slowly, step away from the ledge. It's one year, and we really are still rebuilding.

@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan Definitely true about Jackson. That was a real bad draft for sure. But that being said, the franchise as a whole is looking suspect to me at this moment. Anybody have some interesting way to look at the franchise and give some much needed confidence today?

@huckdaddy@kentuckychiefsfan ...Pioli def. out-thought himself w/ T Jackson...when BJ Raji was available and projected to go to KC. Dorsey is hard to judge...he was the "no brainer" of that draft (same type of hype at that position as Eric Berry was at Safety...everyone thought Dorsey would be the next Sapp). BUT if you look at the entire draft, there are busts ALL OVER THE PLACE.

@jimbobjo@huckdaddy@kentuckychiefsfan you think he would actually come out of retirement OR be effective? Remember when Joe Gibbs game back? and he had 3 superbowl wins. How is Shanahan doing? What teams in the NFL right now brought in a "proven winner" to be their head coach. that isn't how it's done. here is a list of teams that win and their HC status when they were hired Pit - Tomlinson - rookie head coach NE - Bellichick failed in CLE, but was given a 2nd chance NYJ - Ryan - rookie head coach GB - McCarthy - rookie head coach PHI - Andy Reid - rookie head coach NO - Sean Payton - rookie head coach CHI - Lovie Smith - rookie head coach Bal - John Harbaugh - rookie head coach ATL - Mike Smith - rookie head coach and these teams have STABILITY from not jumping from coach to coach, and they also all have above average-to-elite NFL QBs (only arguable is Sanchez, but he's played huge in important moments) getting a cowher or gruden is not a long-term answer to KCs success.

@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan Just to go off on a tangent here, I have the day off and am just stewin about the chiefs. I am usually the most optimistic of optimists, but why are we 30 mil under the cap? Why are T. Jacks and Dorsey not dominant? They are top draft picks. And why the hell did we draft TJax in the first place? Why have we been so underwhelming in free agency for ever since I can remember. This year Hunt gets an extra $30+ mil, we fans are paying him that, and are being sold that they are building a championship team. Is Hunt dedicated to winning a Super Bowl? Why is f-ing Bill Muir our 'offensive coordinator'? There is talent everywhere on this team but no depth. Am I just a blind fan, that has had the wool pulled over his eyes? Damn it!!! 

@huckdaddy@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan i want hunt to send some money and bring us a real coach like a proven bill cower

@huckdaddy i agree an evaluation of stanzi in a pro lineup would tell us a loy more than an evaluation of any college qb playing against kids

@huckdaddy@kentuckychiefsfan yep. i think this is mostly media driven speculation. Haley did win 10 games last year and is operating under awful circumstances already this year. I can't imagine him not finishing the year

@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan Yes. But do think Haley will be there to make that move? I am a fan of Haley and want to see him as our coach. I think he would do great given the right weapons.

i agree. if we are 0-4 with two more eggs by Cassel, we should give the others a chance. There is no way Stanzi will be as good as Luck, but you should at least find out what you have.@huckdaddy @kentuckychiefsfan

@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan I completely agree that those short passes are just as frustrating as the deep ones. I also agree that if Cassel lays another egg or two he'll be benched. What worries me is that Haley has the huevos to bench his ass but he might be gone before he gets the chance. If Cassel does in fact get yanked, I hope that Stanzi is given the ball. We could be in the running to draft QB with our first pick, we should evaluate what we have now.

@jimbobjo@TrappedInDonkeyland@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan Much respect, Jimbo. Much respect.

@tm1946 if they,re not that good then why is he demanding it read thepost

@jimbobjo@jpopejoy "Respect", huh. How about giving Haley enough talent on the roster first, then we can worry about respect. Who need respect from players who, apparently, are not very good?

if haley had rogers he would list him # 2 on his depth chart

@TrappedInDonkeyland@jpopejoy@kentuckychiefsfan@huckdaddy im 68 years old ive thrown a pass baled hay and made love with a broken rib

@jpopejoy when you say respect for jones i hope your not talking thomas jones are my lit of things wrong with haley grows with lack of talent judgement

@TrappedInDonkeyland@kentuckychiefsfan@huckdaddy nope, but i did see Romo throw for 350 yards and 2 tds w/ a punctured lung. Additionally, a lot of cassel's errors this year are decision making errors, not cracked ribs errors. Too many interceptions thrown to awful places.

@jpopejoy @kentuckychiefsfan @huckdaddy you guys ever try to throw a pass with a broken rib?

@jimbobjo right, the beginning of last year. at this point it's Jones the starter out of respect to JONES. everyone knows haley's depth charts don't mean shit. hell...Houston was listed as 3rd on the depth chart week 1, but started.

@jpopejoy jamal was constantly commenting on how all he needed to do was respect coach haley jc has to learn respect that was why he was listed behind jones on depth chart

@jimbobjo not trying to be argumentative, but more out of curiosity, does anyone think the team DOESN'T respect Haley? Seems to me they do. out of 53 guys, there would be at least one talking about how "he's losing the team", etc, etc. Honestly, the team respecting Haley is the only thing that matters, not fans or the media.

truth its up to the head coach to get his team ready to play to the best of their talent level whatever that is cheifs aren't ready truth going back to last year cassel is noy a qb that can win a game for us, as soon as we went to division play and teams came up to stop jc this was evident truth we need a coach who earns respect not one who just demands it

that throw, and one more infuriated me. 3rd and 3 early in the game (1st half), and DMC runs a swing pass. If Cassel leads him, it's a first down. Instead Cassel throws to the back shoulder, forcing DMC to stop to catch the ball, which is suicide. tackled for no gain. When your QB can't even make those easy passes, it's time to move on. @kentuckychiefsfan@huckdaddy

@huckdaddy I believe it was the last game where Bowe went deep. Cassel winds up and tossed the ball downfield. Bowe actually had to stop his route and come back to the ball to make the catch. NO ARM STRENGTH AT ALL. The defense knows this so they defend the check downs. If someone does go deep the defense just laughs about it.

The funny thing in all this is if for some reason the team wakes up and plays this week, then leaves SD with a win. Haley will be good coach again. Honestly though I'm not going to hold my breath.

@kentuckychiefsfan See, I have always supported Cassel. I thought that his 1st year he had NO weapons around him, 2nd year had a slow start but looked much improved which is all we can ask. But based on what I've seen so far this season he has taken a big step back. Sure last game he had a few go through the hands, but his accuracy is WAY off. It looks to me like the defense is just sitting on routes because the deep ball just isn't there for him. He has been so far off on the deep ball that it actually turned out well because the DB had no clue of even the general area that the ball was going. I hope he picks it up, but based on these first 2 games I am becoming less optimistic of Cassel.