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@Nick Rodgers Thats a big salmon! Id like to try that.

@Arrowhead Adventurer Na, we went for king salmon. We were one short of me and my girlfriend limiting out, and the biggest one was the first one landed at 25 lbs. Lotta fun, I'd like to go back up North sometime and go for Pike, Muskie, and some lake trout.

Did you catch any muskie? Thats my fish!

Good points by all. Being a leader is more about personality than talent. Jones is a better leader because he has those skills, Charles is clearly the better player so he should start. The only thing the fight proves to me is that Charles didn't stand up to a bigger stronger man so Jones stepped in. To say that it is a good thing that our number one pick and only potential big game receiver aside fron Bowe got his ass handed to him and is out for awhile is just wrong. It probably is good to knock him down a peg or two and for him to learn respect for the teams elders. The fact is he's missing time getting into the fold in an already short offseason and there's nothing good about that. It could be week 7 before he and Cassel have the timing and chemistry they'll need to compete with the schedule they have. Nick is right about leadership having something to do with starting whether it should or not. Take Vrabel for example. Do any of us believe he had superior ability on the field over Studebaker? Of course not, he was an awesome leadership presence, that's why he was out there. Same with Jones. The fact that he gets 2 yards on most runs while Charles grinds off 12 at a time seems to be irrelavent. That's ok because last year they won 10 games when everyone but me predicted 6 wins. Haley knows what he's doing and they will be ready. The only thing that could make them take a step back this year is the ridiculously brutal schedule. And God forbid anything happen to Cassel, people still give him no respect but if he goes down we'll all know how good he really is.

You really nailed it this time Nick! The rumble is starting and by the first game..it will be a ROAR! GO CHIEFS!

i agree that, IF Jones put a beating on Baldwin to stand up for Charles, its pretty cool. Of course thats a big if, but it does seem to be the most likely option based on what we know so far. I don't see how that excuses the Chiefs' mishandling of Jones ON the field. Not that you're saying it does really, but by endorsing this "starter" thing.....you see what I'm getting at here. So we're just changing the definition of starter now? Its not the best player, its the best leader?

@Nick Rodgers 1. Here's the tweet: "Real talk...RT @Dangerzombie: @jcharles25 Thomas Jones is my hero..lol. Respect is earned by hard work. Blood,sweat,and tears." I'm not a tweeter, but that lol at the end of the sentence seems to indicate he's being lighthearted about that statement. Why bother putting the lol in there otherwise? Saying Charles meant the hero thing is interpretive at best. 2. That fact is, not all leaders and tough guys start--even on this team. Haley employs a strategy to start the bigger back to wear down defenses. If it's about leadership, why isn't McGraw starting over Lewis? McGraw, so they say, provides much-needed leadership in the secondary. Perhaps Lewis can beat him up? 3. Agreed that Baldwin may have needed to be taken down a peg or two. Just saying that Jones has gotten into it with teammates in the past as well. It's quite possible that Baldwin popped off, and that Jones took it to the next level. Which would not make it (the fight and the injury) totally Baldwin's fault. Again, interpretive at best. You're welcome. I enjoyed the read.

@Nick Rodgers Touche Nick! And I don't disagree with any of that. My comment was more tongue in cheek than serious. I do think that his presence this year, plus the additional carries Haley plans to give McCluster and McClain just further reduce the touches our pro bowl back will get. I like the leadership Charles gives us in yards per game.

@Nick Rodgers Love the new logo!

@LyleGraversen Thanks, Tony did a great job on the logo for me. I'm in the great spot where I have two now that I can use. My point is that you don't have to be the starter to have that role, but in Todd Haley's world taking that role means you're the starter. Agree or disagree with it, but it is obviously part of the culture he is building at Kansas City with the Chiefs, a culture that appears to be working. As long as there is continued success IMO it doesn't really matter who is #1 and who is #2 and Jones has obviously stepped into the role that gives him the starting position.

@RossHackett 1. If it was a joke, then why would Charles put "real talk" in front of it? Reading it I feel that the laugh was more laughing at the fact that Jones didn't put up with Baldwin's trash. 2. Evidently in Todd Haley's world being a team leader does have something to do with being the number one because Thom Jones is the starter.... You can argue that it should not have anything to do with being the number one, but you can't say it has nothing to do with it when the reality is obviously different. I would guess that about 95% of the readers and writers on this site would agree with you on this point. 3. I agree here that Baldwin may not be getting a fair shake here, but I tried and I really cannot see that many realistic scenarios where Jon was a poor victim. Even if Charles and Jones were giving him a hard time he should learn to take it and move on, probably haven't done/said anything to him that they didn't say to any other rookie, and this was the only fight that escalated to the point of media attention. Again, not impossible, but my gut says Baldwin mouthed off one too many times and got put in his place. Thanks for reading!

@JimHarper I'll check it out, and the great thing about chartering a boat is you don't have to clean your own fish : ) Not so sure our rushing attack and Thomas Jones in particular was what kept us from going deep into the playoffs. Offensive line play, Matt Cassel picking a bad game to throw a million picks, and having no receivers of value other than Bowe were what I saw as the main problems from the stands.

@her3ma1 Yeah I'm back now, and not super happy about it.

The 'hero' portion of Charles' tweet was a joke. Literally. Had a 'lol' after the 'Thomas Jones is my hero' line. Beyond that, being a team leader has zilch to do with being a team starter. Nor does having the ability to whip someone's ass. I too hope the scrap becomes a teachable moment for Baldwin, no matter how it went down. Speaking of, this isn't the first time Jones has gotten into it with a fellow teammate. I'm not defending Baldwin, but the perspective on this seems a little skewed considering we don't even know the particulars of how it went down. (This last sentence is not referencing Nick's post specifically... just the fan-o-sphere in general.)

First off I'm glade that the is RB unity with Jones sticking up for Charles and having his back in all of this. Second I'm glade that Jones put Baldwin in his place, Baldwin needs to know you don't go around spouting your mouth off in the NFL to Veterans and players like Charles who have proven themselves in this league. I think Baldwin and Bowe need to set down and have a long conversation on how to be an NFL widereciver, because it's apparent this kid needs someone to look up to and take direction from.

Nice post Nick, welcome back. I agree to an extent about Jones. I think with Waters gone the offense now looks to Jones to be the guy to confront players who the rest of the team has a problem with. That makes him an important member of the team. However, has others have said before, you don't have to be #1 on the depth chart to play that role. Also, your new logo is fantastic!

Come on back to Oklahoma. Currently 105 at my house. AC is working overtime.... which is more that I can say about the Chiefs Special Teams....

Do yourself a favor and listen to the Out of Bounds podcast on the Jon Baldwin Saga. You can do this while cleaning the fish you caught on vacation. I am a believer that the Chiefs will go deep into the playoffs the same year Jones retires or otherwise leaves the team.

Did you catch any muskie? Thats my fish!

Good points by all. Being a leader is more about personality than talent. Jones is a better leader because he has those skills, Charles is clearly the better player so he should start. The only thing the fight proves to me is that Charles didn't stand up to a bigger stronger man so Jones stepped in. To say that it is a good thing that our number one pick and only potential big game receiver aside fron Bowe got his ass handed to him and is out for awhile is just wrong. It probably is good to knock him down a peg or two and for him to learn respect for the teams elders. The fact is he's missing time getting into the fold in an already short offseason and there's nothing good about that. It could be week 7 before he and Cassel have the timing and chemistry they'll need to compete with the schedule they have. Nick is right about leadership having something to do with starting whether it should or not. Take Vrabel for example. Do any of us believe he had superior ability on the field over Studebaker? Of course not, he was an awesome leadership presence, that's why he was out there. Same with Jones. The fact that he gets 2 yards on most runs while Charles grinds off 12 at a time seems to be irrelavent. That's ok because last year they won 10 games when everyone but me predicted 6 wins. Haley knows what he's doing and they will be ready. The only thing that could make them take a step back this year is the ridiculously brutal schedule. And God forbid anything happen to Cassel, people still give him no respect but if he goes down we'll all know how good he really is.

You really nailed it this time Nick! The rumble is starting and by the first game..it will be a ROAR! GO CHIEFS!

i agree that, IF Jones put a beating on Baldwin to stand up for Charles, its pretty cool. Of course thats a big if, but it does seem to be the most likely option based on what we know so far.

I don't see how that excuses the Chiefs' mishandling of Jones ON the field. Not that you're saying it does really, but by endorsing this "starter" thing.....you see what I'm getting at here. So we're just changing the definition of starter now? Its not the best player, its the best leader?

The 'hero' portion of Charles' tweet was a joke. Literally. Had a 'lol' after the 'Thomas Jones is my hero' line. Beyond that, being a team leader has zilch to do with being a team starter. Nor does having the ability to whip someone's ass. I too hope the scrap becomes a teachable moment for Baldwin, no matter how it went down. Speaking of, this isn't the first time Jones has gotten into it with a fellow teammate.

I'm not defending Baldwin, but the perspective on this seems a little skewed considering we don't even know the particulars of how it went down. (This last sentence is not referencing Nick's post specifically... just the fan-o-sphere in general.)

First off I'm glade that the is RB unity with Jones sticking up for Charles and having his back in all of this. Second I'm glade that Jones put Baldwin in his place, Baldwin needs to know you don't go around spouting your mouth off in the NFL to Veterans and players like Charles who have proven themselves in this league. I think Baldwin and Bowe need to set down and have a long conversation on how to be an NFL widereciver, because it's apparent this kid needs someone to look up to and take direction from.

Nice post Nick, welcome back. I agree to an extent about Jones. I think with Waters gone the offense now looks to Jones to be the guy to confront players who the rest of the team has a problem with. That makes him an important member of the team. However, has others have said before, you don't have to be #1 on the depth chart to play that role.

Also, your new logo is fantastic!

Come on back to Oklahoma. Currently 105 at my house. AC is working overtime.... which is more that I can say about the Chiefs Special Teams....

Do yourself a favor and listen to the Out of Bounds podcast on the Jon Baldwin Saga. You can do this while cleaning the fish you caught on vacation. I am a believer that the Chiefs will go deep into the playoffs the same year Jones retires or otherwise leaves the team.