Big Matt’s (Pre) Draft Chat

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I’ve been largely mum thus far as to the upcoming draft.  The lockout and its implications have loomed much larger in my mind, and this site has other writers with far more draft expertise than I.  My annual “Big Matt’s NFL draft dos and do not dos” post at the original BMCC wasn’t exactly the most clairvoyant of endeavors.  I study the players; I have my rankings.  But I’ve also grown to recognize how meaningless they are.  

Analyzing and studying the picks after they’re made is what appeals most to me, because that’s when we’re in a position to learn the most about our general manager.  This GM in particular reveals as little as possible through words.  All we have are his actions.  And bargain-basement free agent pickups really don’t tell us much.  If we want to learn about Scott Pioli, we must observe how he drafts. 

The guy has been a slippery one so far.  I thought I had him pegged after the ’09 draft (also known as the “don’t go anywhere” draft).  I was wrong.  The 2010 draft was a major curveball, and ultimately that ended up being a good thing.  A repeat of the ’09 draft would’ve been disastrous. 

Nobody knows what Pioli is thinking this time around.  I suppose that’s a testament to his discretion, if anything.  I’ve been critical of Pioli’s secretive ways, but the draft is one area where his paranoid tendencies could actually come in handy.  If nobody knows who we’re picking, so much the better.  It actually makes things a little more fun for the fans too, and that’s something I never thought I’d say about anything Pioli has ever done.  I have no idea who we’ll pick, and that’s an exciting prospect. 

Still, there is one tendency I’ve definitely picked up on.  Paddy touched on this a bit yesterday, and I think it bears further discussion.  Scott Pioli is not a risk-taker.  It’s just not in his nature.  He said this himself in an unusually candid moment a year or so ago.  It wasn’t big news at the time, but I definitely think its relevant now.  Pioli will make what he deems to be the safest pick. 

The argument can be made that both of his first round picks were actually fairly risky.  Berry was picked higher than any other safety in NFL history, after all.  And the Tin Man is far from is sure thing.  But that’s looking at things from our perspective, after the fact.  We need to look at those picks from Pioli’s point of view before they were made. 

We’ll start with Tin Man.  Most of us hated that pick at  the time, and after two years it certainly doesn’t look like a good one.  But what has Pioli repeatedly said they were looking for?  Someone who could play the position the way they wanted it played.  In a way that’s just GM-speak, I mean he doesn’t elaborate as to what “the way we want it played” entails.  So really he can claim Jackson is meeting that goal no matter how poorly he plays.  But the important thing here is his goal for the pick.  It was a pretty modest one, right?  Not looking for sacks, touchdowns, or any kind of big plays.  Just a guy who can play the position with the technique you want.  Make no mistake, Pioli thought he was playing it safe with the Tin Man.  The results haven’t been what we’d like, but that isn’t because our GM was taking wild risks.  That pick was anything but. 

Eric Berry, to me, was the safest of picks.  And I mean that in a strictly positive sense.  Safeties aren’t usually drafted high, but they can often come in and play right away.  Look no further than our fifth round pick, Kendrick “Louis” Lewis for evidence of that.  The guy was picked 136th and was immediately a starting caliber player.  That happens all the time with safeties.  I suspect this is because a safety’s responsibilities in the NFL are very similar to what they were in college, as opposed to linemen or skill players who are often entering a whole new world. 

I digress.  The Berry pick was nice-and-easy.  Russell Okung would’ve been considerably riskier.  Even from a fan reaction standpoint.  It was clear Berry was going to make some big plays and be a popular pick.  Safeties have every opportunity to do that.  Linemen don’t.  What if we’d picked picked Okung and he’d given up a few costly sacks?  Most fans only see linemen when they mess up.  If Pioli wanted to give the fans something to cheer, Berry was the obvious pick.

I’m not saying Pioli considered that, mind you.  Not consciously, anyway.  But he had to have known how the Jackson pick was viewed.  Not just by the fans, but by the media and the rest of the NFL.  That pick was pretty universally panned.  One thing he could be sure of is that the reaction to Berry would be nothing like that.  Yes, it was early, but everyone loved Berry.  There was zero chance of Pioli ending up with egg on his face. 

Our GM gave us a sizable hint when he admitted to not being a risk taker lo those many moons ago.  The question we need to ask ourselves is, which of the players available to us at #21 will be the safest?  I hate to say it, but I don’t think that’s Phil Taylor.  I’d like to see us take Taylor for a variety of reasons.  Double D would jump for joy, Merlin would have a meltdown, and we’d finally have a nose tackle. 

It’d be a fun ride, I just don’t think its very likely.  Taylor is many things, but unfortunately a safe pick isn’t one of them.  Akeem Ayers or Derek Sherrod is much more likely in my opinion.  Neither of those guys are exciting picks, but both should be able to come in and improve our team somewhere.  At #21, I think that’s all Pioli is looking to do.  That and stockpile those precious intangibles.  If there was a Mike Vrabel clone in this draft we’d probably trade up to get him. 

note: Just for the record, my preference would be for Pioli to pick Taylor because I think it would be by far the most interesting pick.  But if I was making the pick myself, I’d take Gabe Carimi.  It’s easy to wish for another man to roll the dice, harder to roll those dice yourself. 

note, part deux: I’ll be covering the draft Thursday and Friday.  I think its hilarious the NFL has issued me press credentials when the team I cover wouldn’t even let me have one of those bricks with my name on it.  But regardless, it should be a fun time.  I look like a total pervert in my press headshot. 

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Hatt, I wanted to provide brief bullet points of my thoughts on the top 3 tackles in this year's draft. The reason for the brevity is that I am not impressed with these prospects. Tyron Smith: He is jacked. Very raw. Very athletic. Poor footwork. Needs to be coached better on technique. Anthony Costanzo: Tries hard. Watched a highlight of him versus Quinn of UNC. It was a good battle but Quinn got him pretty good on a few plays. Decent footwork. Tries to be nasty. Reminds me of Marc Colombo. Nate Solder: Big fella. Slow. Bad technique This is a weak crop if you were to ask me. I think Smith and Costanzo can play, but I don't see any pro bowlers here like I saw with Oher and D'Brickishaw. Note: I thought Russell Okung could be an eventual pro bowler, but he had an injury riddled rookie year. I still don't like the Bulaga Whale even though he filled in fine at right tackle.

Im with Andrew. Except on the erection. If Smith's within reach take him. If not, try to trade back.

Crocker - That would also get you in the medical journals for the worst and longest lasting case of priapism EVER.

At this point, two very respected mock writers (Peter King and Rick Gosselin) have mocked Aldon Smith to go at #20, right before us. If Smith drops to #19, I am of the opinion that we give the Giants the 4th rounder necessary for us to move up. Aldon Smith and Tamba Hali on the edges? I could sustain an erection for a decade if that were our lineup.

I say we take Aldon Smith in the first round and Quan Sturdivant in the 2nd. A LB lineup with Hali, Johnson, Sturdivant, and Smith would be deadly.

Oh man I would absolutely love to have Aldon Smith, I'm just assuming he won't get to us. I doubt he'll even get out of the top 15, honestly. But hypothetically, I would most definitely be down to trade our fourth if it moved us up 2 spots to get Smith. that seems like the type of trade Pioli could actually make, too. He's shown a willingness to move up a little in the past, albeit in later rounds. Moved up to get Moeaki, said he'd considered moving up to get Donald Washington. I could see it, and I would like it.

So many point to NE for being wheelerdealers, extra pickers kind of team and then say Pioli came from there and that is what he will do. Don't see it. I will buy into Pioli may have been the NE "got to have a TE" every year but since we are pretty well stocked, not in 2011. Then we have '09 bad, '10 good. Well it seems to me the second round (which should have produced 2 starter) was all about we need returners who can do something else, to heck with starters. Isn't like drafter DE in 09? The safe route. We will get a little better picture after this draft but if Pioli only goes the "safe" way, the Chiefs are in trouble, as in never getting to the promised land. A safe pick and bad pick, the team will get weaker as time passes.

Since there is a lockout right now, can any team "trade" anything during the draft? I know we aren't allowed to make roster moves so would even trading draft picks for other draft picks be allowed? This will probably make for a very boring draft if you aren’t allowed to trade at all. Side note: If we are allowed to trade up, I think this would be a smart year to gamble and trade up for a top 10 talent (Von Miller?). I think when we finally have a CBA in place there will be a rookie pay scale. Therefore, a top 10 pick won't be the risk it once was. On the downside that there isn't one, we have plenty of cap space that we can afford a top pick. I think we could maybe leverage that to get up in the draft easier than years past. That is, assuming you are allowed to trade up with the lockout. I haven't been following the pre-draft stuff so forgive me if this has all already been talked about.

The Chiefs can trade any present or future draft picks but no player trades will be allowed. Players can't be moved until the lockout is over. The rookies, once they are drafted, will pretty much be immediately locked out by their new employers. I believe there will be a window where they can talk to the team briefly and then that is it till things are settled.

Then let's trade some picks and get to the top 10. If we don't have enough picks left to cover all our areas of need, hit the free agent market HARD. This is about the only time of year I want to be a GM.

It's going to take a whole lot to go from #21 in to the top 10. And if we end up making some kind of trade like that, it better not be for Von Miller. If we're going to trade in to the top 10, I want AJ Green. I'll take Julio Jones in the 11-15 range, but I want a #1 starting WR if we're going to trade up that far.

I'm on board with that! I don't know the cost of things really (in terms of trading up) but you obviously don't know the kind of guy I am. I am in the "trade Cassel for Brady" camp. We like to throw out ridiculously unreasonable trade requests and then complain about what the Chiefs actually do. Please, don't blow my cover before I can operate the entire "draft plan". I also think we should take Nick Fairley at #21 if we can't trade up.

I'd trade Cassel for Brady's left middle toe and a 7th round draft pick in 2018.

Got to this convo late, but I'll weigh in. Pioli ain't trading into the top ten, and he sure as hell isn't hitting the free agent market hard. Come on now BE, you know this. Although if we're playing fantasy GM here i could certainly get behind those moves. Thing is though, I actually kinda like being at 21. We always seem to make picks I like in the 20s. Hali, Bowe, Jerome Woods. I even liked the Victor Riley and Sylvester Morris picks. How come you aren't bangin' the drum for Aldon Smith? I assumed you'd be all over him.

I would pay to see the Double D vs. Merlin discussion if the Chiefs do in fact take Phil Taylor.

How much money are we talking . . . .

I've got $0.72, and a big ball of lint in my pocket. Is that going to be enough for admission?

I just found a nickel and a paper clip in the other pocket. Can I get VIP seats?

Hatt,
I wanted to provide brief bullet points of my thoughts on the top 3 tackles in this year's draft. The reason for the brevity is that I am not impressed with these prospects.

Tyron Smith: He is jacked. Very raw. Very athletic. Poor footwork. Needs to be coached better on technique.

Anthony Costanzo: Tries hard. Watched a highlight of him versus Quinn of UNC. It was a good battle but Quinn got him pretty good on a few plays. Decent footwork. Tries to be nasty. Reminds me of Marc Colombo.

Nate Solder: Big fella. Slow. Bad technique

This is a weak crop if you were to ask me. I think Smith and Costanzo can play, but I don't see any pro bowlers here like I saw with Oher and D'Brickishaw.

Note: I thought Russell Okung could be an eventual pro bowler, but he had an injury riddled rookie year. I still don't like the Bulaga Whale even though he filled in fine at right tackle.

Im with Andrew. Except on the erection. If Smith's within reach take him. If not, try to trade back.

Crocker - That would also get you in the medical journals for the worst and longest lasting case of priapism EVER.

At this point, two very respected mock writers (Peter King and Rick Gosselin) have mocked Aldon Smith to go at #20, right before us.

If Smith drops to #19, I am of the opinion that we give the Giants the 4th rounder necessary for us to move up.

Aldon Smith and Tamba Hali on the edges? I could sustain an erection for a decade if that were our lineup.

I say we take Aldon Smith in the first round and Quan Sturdivant in the 2nd. A LB lineup with Hali, Johnson, Sturdivant, and Smith would be deadly.

Oh man I would absolutely love to have Aldon Smith, I'm just assuming he won't get to us. I doubt he'll even get out of the top 15, honestly.

But hypothetically, I would most definitely be down to trade our fourth if it moved us up 2 spots to get Smith. that seems like the type of trade Pioli could actually make, too. He's shown a willingness to move up a little in the past, albeit in later rounds. Moved up to get Moeaki, said he'd considered moving up to get Donald Washington. I could see it, and I would like it.

So many point to NE for being wheelerdealers, extra pickers kind of team and then say Pioli came from there and that is what he will do. Don't see it. I will buy into Pioli may have been the NE "got to have a TE" every year but since we are pretty well stocked, not in 2011. Then we have '09 bad, '10 good. Well it seems to me the second round (which should have produced 2 starter) was all about we need returners who can do something else, to heck with starters. Isn't like drafter DE in 09? The safe route.

We will get a little better picture after this draft but if Pioli only goes the "safe" way, the Chiefs are in trouble, as in never getting to the promised land. A safe pick and bad pick, the team will get weaker as time passes.

Since there is a lockout right now, can any team "trade" anything during the draft? I know we aren't allowed to make roster moves so would even trading draft picks for other draft picks be allowed? This will probably make for a very boring draft if you aren’t allowed to trade at all.

Side note: If we are allowed to trade up, I think this would be a smart year to gamble and trade up for a top 10 talent (Von Miller?). I think when we finally have a CBA in place there will be a rookie pay scale. Therefore, a top 10 pick won't be the risk it once was. On the downside that there isn't one, we have plenty of cap space that we can afford a top pick. I think we could maybe leverage that to get up in the draft easier than years past. That is, assuming you are allowed to trade up with the lockout.

I haven't been following the pre-draft stuff so forgive me if this has all already been talked about.

The Chiefs can trade any present or future draft picks but no player trades will be allowed. Players can't be moved until the lockout is over. The rookies, once they are drafted, will pretty much be immediately locked out by their new employers. I believe there will be a window where they can talk to the team briefly and then that is it till things are settled.

Then let's trade some picks and get to the top 10. If we don't have enough picks left to cover all our areas of need, hit the free agent market HARD. This is about the only time of year I want to be a GM.

It's going to take a whole lot to go from #21 in to the top 10. And if we end up making some kind of trade like that, it better not be for Von Miller. If we're going to trade in to the top 10, I want AJ Green. I'll take Julio Jones in the 11-15 range, but I want a #1 starting WR if we're going to trade up that far.

I'm on board with that!

I don't know the cost of things really (in terms of trading up) but you obviously don't know the kind of guy I am.

I am in the "trade Cassel for Brady" camp. We like to throw out ridiculously unreasonable trade requests and then complain about what the Chiefs actually do. Please, don't blow my cover before I can operate the entire "draft plan".

I also think we should take Nick Fairley at #21 if we can't trade up.

I'd trade Cassel for Brady's left middle toe and a 7th round draft pick in 2018.

Got to this convo late, but I'll weigh in. Pioli ain't trading into the top ten, and he sure as hell isn't hitting the free agent market hard. Come on now BE, you know this. Although if we're playing fantasy GM here i could certainly get behind those moves.

Thing is though, I actually kinda like being at 21. We always seem to make picks I like in the 20s. Hali, Bowe, Jerome Woods. I even liked the Victor Riley and Sylvester Morris picks.

How come you aren't bangin' the drum for Aldon Smith? I assumed you'd be all over him.

I would pay to see the Double D vs. Merlin discussion if the Chiefs do in fact take Phil Taylor.

How much money are we talking . . . .

I've got $0.72, and a big ball of lint in my pocket. Is that going to be enough for admission?

I just found a nickel and a paper clip in the other pocket. Can I get VIP seats?