The Other Side

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We are passionate fans of the Kansas City Chiefs.  So much so that even though very few of us know each other, we meet on the internet and talk about them.  What this essentially means is that each and every one of us has deemed we aren’t getting enough Chiefs talk in our real lives. ”Sorry, people I actually know” we think. “You’re just not cutting it anymore.  Time to hit up some strangers.”

It’s funny, but in a sense we’re also taking our preferred leisure activity very seriously.  I think thats a good thing.  A friend recently said that without interests, a person hardly seems to be alive at all.  I agree with that.  The world has a lot to offer.  We should be able to find things that move us.  And if you’re still perusing the Chiefs blogosphere despite this ridiculous lockout, they definitely move you. 

We love the Chiefs.  And with love, comes certainty.  We’ve dedicated so much of ourselves to this team, we’re bound to be confident in our opinions of them.  We’re experts, right?

Yes.  And no.  There are two sides to every coin.  Six sides to every die.  Twelve sides to those special kind of nerdy die.  And lets face it people, we’re all pretty big nerds around here when it comes to the Chiefs.  I’ve had to stop myself from writing the “If Chiefs players were characters from LOTR” post like five times this offseason. 

What I’m getting at here is that although we are all Chiefs experts in our own way, none of us can really be sure any of our opinions are correct.  We can’t even be sure they’re free of bias.  In fact, the more I think about it, the more sure I am that every opinion everyone has (myself included) is chock-full of bias.  We can’t help it.  We are the products of our genetics and our experiences, neither of which are under our control. 

Our formative years are dominated by our parents.  We’re born directly into their religion, they choose what kind of education we receive, and they unknowingly (or sometimes knowingly) indoctrinate us with their beliefs.  This isn’t a bad thing.  Our parents have our best interests at heart.  But they undeniably shape who we are, just as they were undeniably shaped by their parents before them.  Our very identity was, in a sense, passed down to us through generations uncounted. 

Eventually we strike out on our own, and are left to make our own decisions and think our own thoughts.  But are even these thoughts ever truly our own?  Our opinions are constantly being affected and altered by those we come into contact with. Our friends, our coworkers, the books we read, the music we listen to, the websites we visit.  Our brains are like sponges, absorbing all they touch.  Can we ever really be sure what all we’ve picked up, and where?  I certainly can’t.  My thoughts and opinions have changed much over the years, and I’m not so naive as to think myself above influence.  No one is.  When we see the world, we’re seeing it through the prism of our own perspective.  We each wear our own personal me-colored glasses.

I could be wrong about any of the opinions I’ve expressed on this website.  I’ve been wrong many times before (last place in both the AA March madness competition and the 2010 preseason predictions).  So has everyone else.  There is no point hiding from that. 

If you’ve been reading me regularly, you know I’ve been very critical of Tyson Jackson, Thom Jones, and Mike Vrabel.  You also probably know I don’t much care for Clark Hunt, or the rest of the NFL owners.  I have my reasons for these feelings, and to me they seem very logical.  But I am me.  None of the rest of you are.  Naturally, some of your opinions will be very different, despite the fact that we have access to the same information and watched the same games.  This is pretty crazy, when you think about it.  Goes to show just how subjective a lot of this stuff really is.

Four statements you never thought you’d hear me make after the jump:

1) It’s possible Thom Jones will lose weight, improve his quickness, and break that mythical 4 YPC barrier.  And even if he doesn’t, its possible the locker-room leadership we hear so much about actually exists, actually does help the team, and somehow requires Jones to start games and carry the ball many times to be put into effect. 

2) It’s possible Mike Vrabel‘s intangibles (or should that read “Mike Intangible’s Vrabels”?) really are invaluable to this team.  And, again, that he needs to be on the field for that to be the case. 

3) It’s possible Tin Man is developing according to plan, and that he’ll be our left defensive end of the future.

4) It’s possible Clark Hunt actually deserves our respect and admiration.

Man, I can’t believe I just typed those things.  They all sound absolutely ridiculous to me.  But you know, so have many other things that have ended up being true.  Do I believe I’m wrong in my opinions of the aforementioned men?  Of course not.  I believe I’m right, just like we all do about every one of our opinions.  And I have to say, the evidence does seem to be on my side in these cases.  Statistically, Jones, Vrabel and Tin Man were terrible.  They failed the eyeball test even worse.  And Clark Hunt, as far as I can tell, does nothing for the Chiefs but hold his hand out and take our money.  These seem like unquestionable truths to me.  But back in the day I used to think Ron Edwards was undeserving of a spot in the NFL, and now I call him Sweet Ron and he’s one of my favorite players.  As I’ve said many times before, truth changes quickly in the NFL.

This doesn’t just apply to fans though.  Professional coaches and GMs are wrong all the time too.  Scott Pioli thought Colin Brown was a prototype right tackle and that Mike Brown could be his Rodney Harrison.  Todd Haley thought Quinten Lawrence was part of his core and that Larry Johnson was better than Jamaal Charles.  These guys are fallible.  Very.  Everyone in the NFL is.  And not through incompetence.  We’re all at the mercy of what our brains tell us.  And when watching a sport, no matter how much of it we watch, our brains aren’t going to tell us the whole story.  We’re foolish to think otherwise. 

So really, I guess this post is a confession.  I am biased against the NFL owners.  I’m also biased against players whose value is based entirely in leadership and intangibles.  I’m biased against and for a lot of things, and that effects how I view the Chiefs. Damn, thats tough to admit.  But its true.  I’m no better than anyone else. In fact according to my psychiatrist I’m much worse.

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Wouldn't allow me to reply to your post above, Matt, so I pasted it here. Your post: "I don’t think he’s a demon. In fact I don’t even think a tactic like that would be so out of the ordinary. These guys all grope for as much credit as they can get. Somewhere Herm Edwards is perpetuating the theory that he drafted these players, so the credit should go to him. These guys all have their masters in job protection. Their other full-time jobs. Whether or not you agree with this theory, you’d have to admit Haley talked A LOT about how his team wasn’t that good yet. This as they were winning the division. Have you ever seen a coach do that before? I haven’t. Honestly the tough to work for stuff and the game decisions hardly bother me. The game decisions in particular I actually sort of like. But seriously, why is this guy insisting the best player in the NFl is still a developing player? You tell me." My reply: So basically you're sold on the guy as a coach. You largely appreciate his roster moves and his in game decisions. You just don't appreciate his PR. Well I'm agnostic on the PR, as dismissing coachspeak for me is about as easy as breathing oxygen, but I still don't it's terribly unique for a coach to downplay his team. ESPECIALLY if they're young. You want focus. You want humility. You everybody on the team to do their job and stay single-mindedly focused on that. Allowing a young team to get high on themselves is an invitation for a lack of preparation and focus.

I wouldn't say I'm sold on Haley as a coach. It is unfortunate that he's apparently an asshole to coworkers, that just isn't a huge pet peeve of mine. And although his gambling doesn't bother me at all (thats what I kind of like about his in-game decisions) his roster moves obviously need serious work. You know who I'm talking about here. Although he did handle Tyson Jackson correctly post-injury and he finally started the right linebackers. I don't know, in terms of actual coaching ability, I go back and forth on the guy. Lets say cautiously optimistic. I'm definitely not calling for his job or anything like that. But yeah, I definitely don't appreciate his PR. Thats the rub. With respect to his "we're not that good yet" tactic, I think we can at least agree that this team's approach to the media is carefully orchestrated, and that the big-picture directive probably comes down from the top, right? Is it really so hard for you to believe Haley would be trying to make himself look as good as possible? Coaches, GMS, and even ownership tries to do that ALL THE TIME. The have employees whose only job is to do that. This particular tactic is actually kind of obvious, when you think about it. Its also probable he didn't want to be held to expectations the winning was creating. He and Pioli like everything carefully controlled, and that includes the fans and their reactions to the team. The last thing he wanted was fans realizing he inherited a lot of talent. This was supposed to be he and Pioli building a winner from scratch. "Patience" was the buzzword. Early wins put them in kind of a tough spot this year with fans actually expecting something. That isn't what they want. They want (and actually seem to think they deserve) many years of scrutiny-free, expectation-free room to operate.

I'll give you biased but that's it. I am not wrong. It's just a matter of time until you agree with me is all. I should be GM. Anyone know how to apply for that job? Seriously though good read Matt. Well done sir. It's safe to safe somebody out there's got a problem with almost anything you do- the White Stripes

Bigg Matt you make my Mondays brighter! You always write what you feel and do so in an articulate, intelligent and most importantly humorous way. The kind of way that makes milk come out of your nose when laughing while drinking milk. That it some good S@#t. This site has its followers becuase we are not afraid of saying what we want even though we absoultely KNOW that other sports writers (Whitlock) read us/you, players read us (Shaun Smith), proabably some Chief coaches and staff and others. We are not catering to people for their approval. I have been writing for the site for awhile. Sometimes I put up good stuff, sometimes I do not, but I stand behind it. In my opinion, it is OK to be biased we are in essence a news and opinion blog. Saying things against the franchise is important, and gives some "toe the lines" fans some true perspective. Don't ever, ever change, please!

You're too kind Jeremy, much too kind. And I'm sure many of our readers agree with me on that. The only way I can change is slowly, over time. And hopefully thats change for the better. Thats the goal, anyway. Does Perv really read AA? Thats awesome! I guess its probably fun for him, I mean he's basically become a hero around here. I'd read a site if everyone on it talked about how much they liked me all the time.

Nice Work Big Matt! Keep up the good work. We are what we are! Thank God we aren't living in a world of clones all mimicing like parrots the same old dribble like the guy next to us drooling into his Cheerios! No matter whether I agree or disagree with you you always give me something to think about. and isn't that what keeps the old tomatoe from goin' rotten? Using it? Actual thinking? In every situation in life I have always believed you can learn something from everyone. Of course sometimes it's what not to do or think! but still you can learn. I hope for better from TJ next year and think the only way is if he is used sparingly with JC getting the bulk. Same for Vrabel. That way we still get the character w/o hurting ourselves on the field. This year is make it or hit the Yellow Brick Road for Tin Man as far as I am concerned. As far as Clunt (never used that before so that just for you Big Matt!) goes he better break out the check book and get us some premium free agents especially a WR or I may just shove my season tickets up his clunt!

I always giggle when someone else uses "Clunt." One of my favorite nicknames of all time. Although I know its controversial, so I've gotta pick my spots. "and isn’t that what keeps the old tomatoe from goin’ rotten? Using it? Actual thinking? In every situation in life I have always believed you can learn something from everyone. Of course sometimes it’s what not to do or think! but still you can learn." Huzzah! Thats a great attitude. I try to learn as much as I can from those who disagree with me, but it isn't easy to do. I'm a naturally contentious person. Its a constant struggle to get past that. I like to think the effort counts for something. And sometimes I succeed. I would've been cool with TJ and Vrabel this year as backups. That should've been their role (and would've been almost anywhere else). After having them crammed down my throat all year now I just want them gone. Its gonna be a long season for me and Jones.

I feel like this article is a response to the heat you get for not being as fawning of the Chiefs franchise as you could be. If that's the case, I hope you don't feel the necessity to back into the "hey I'm just another guy with an opinion" trope. You clearly understand the heat, I hope it just fuels your point of view even moreso rather than watering it down. Post of the week, Big Matt.

And Crock knows all about feeling the heat. You don't get the nickname "Crock Pot" without thinking outside the box.

Muchos gracias. I'm certainly no stranger to heat around here. And it does wear on me at times. But I'll take some heat if it means people hear things they might not otherwise. Most of the time its all in good fun anyway. I'm not going to take it too personal if some dude I've never met calls me an idiot on the internet. It is very, very important to me that the people running the Chiefs be held accountable for what they say and do. That, more than anything, is what fuels my point of view.

I was way too late to comment on the blockeater article from 2 weeks ago, I was late to the party last week and posted a comment that probably nobody read. I tried to make it in time this week, but I don't really have a whole lot to say. TDIL and the other poster from last week calling you out for race baiting and being sophomoric must have really gotten to you. Based on my personal experiences which formed my biases, it seems that you took their advice, “grew up”, and in your old age you have gotten soft. If you walked a mile in my shoes you’d know I am never wrong.

You know it actually was one of those comments that was the inspiration. The guy's name was Jayker, I think. He accused me of being biased. I bristled inwardly. Then I thought about it for a few minutes and was like, "yeah, I'm totally biased." I still think I'm right, mind you. And I've got a pretty serious ulterior motive here. My hope is that by admitting my biases, I will encourage others to recognize their own. Beast Nation is totally unwilling to do that. Like, to a scary degree.

I don't want unbiased writers on AA. I want fair writers. Newspapers are boring. I want writers who will say what they think and challenge our readers. I feel like I learn by listening to people I disagree with.

It's not easy to pull off a confession post while at the same time not really admitting that you are wrong (just that you possibly could be). You are either going after Pioli's job or making a push to get into politics. In all sincerity, well done!

"And I’ve got a pretty serious ulterior motive here. My hope is that by admitting my biases, I will encourage others to recognize their own." This is a tactic straight out of Camus' "The Fall". Always knew you were a closet existentialist, mon cher. So you've got a license to kill next week. I expect a column calling into question Brian Waters' character. Ya Beast Nation can be scary, but nothing coming out of there is as terrifying as Todd Haley still talking about Jamal Charles like he's the back-up.

Oh come on now Greens, we all know Jamaal Charles is a developing player. Some day, when he's in his mid-thirties, he'll be a finished product. I think the reason haley constantly downplays this team's, and Charles in particular's, talent level is that he wants to be able to take credit if/when they do make a serious run. They were developing, he developed them. This is the narrative he's trying to establish.

That's a hell of a conspiracy theory, there, Matt. Good lord. Haley is purposefully telling us his teams aren't good, and are purposefully underplaying his best players, so that he can look totally awesome when one day he releases his team's true talent and get all the credit when he trumpets how good they are? Good lord. I love your skeptical perspective, but there's a difference between Brett Baiar and Glenn Beck. This is teetering a little too close to Beck territory in the Chiefs' universe. Ease up. There's plenty of room to criticize Haley for what he's said and what he's done on the field. A ton of questionable decisions and apparently the guy is unbearable to work for if you have a certain personality he doesn't like, or are any kind of offensive coordinator. But the guy's not a frickin' demon.

I don't think he's a demon. In fact I don't even think a tactic like that would be so out of the ordinary. These guys all grope for as much credit as they can get. Somewhere Herm Edwards is perpetuating the theory that he drafted these players, so the credit should go to him. These guys all have their masters in job protection. Their other full-time jobs. Whether or not you agree with this theory, you'd have to admit Haley talked A LOT about how his team wasn't that good yet. This as they were winning the division. Have you ever seen a coach do that before? I haven't. Honestly the tough to work for stuff and the game decisions hardly bother me. The game decisions in particular I actually sort of like. But seriously, why is this guy insisting the best player in the NFl is still a developing player? You tell me.

Always love your stuff, on your latter statements I dont personally care if Thomas Jones does lose wieght, then he will be about Charles size with out the track speed. We need some one who can bang out a big defensive line, running backs are a dime a dozen, get one undrafted who doesnt drop the ball and loves to crash and your issue is fixed. Charles can find a buddy with someone else man, I'm sure Jones is a real likeable guy but this is a business and its time we let him go. Mikes intangebles; well on this I do realize that some of these young men need father figures because a guy that coaches like Haley does, cant really provide that type of leadership, that is no excuse for leaving Vrabel in all year. I dont care if the guy has a defensive brain that recognizes everything on offense, smart teams are not going to field Dick Labo. Mikes lost not just a step but he's lost it all except his brain, leave him off the field. I wont even comment about the beer thing that is just dumb he got drunk and forgot to pay is my assumption. On Clark well maybe he isn't the devil. The CBA calls for players and owners to get together and discuss the deals. Its not like were everyone else works you dont get to debate the owner on your salary. It's not the classic conservative vs liberal debate here. So for the owners to be snakes and not show the books to justify thier enormous raises they are willing to lock out for, to "save" the franchise is just sidewinderish. If the NFL were a regualar business I would say well it is thiers to do with and set the guidelines however they will but it is not. Clark is no angel and I wish he would open up his pocket book a little bit more to try and get us to the big dance.

This may be your best work yet :)

Thanks Denny, much obliged.

Wouldn't allow me to reply to your post above, Matt, so I pasted it here.

Your post:

"I don’t think he’s a demon. In fact I don’t even think a tactic like that would be so out of the ordinary. These guys all grope for as much credit as they can get. Somewhere Herm Edwards is perpetuating the theory that he drafted these players, so the credit should go to him. These guys all have their masters in job protection. Their other full-time jobs.

Whether or not you agree with this theory, you’d have to admit Haley talked A LOT about how his team wasn’t that good yet. This as they were winning the division. Have you ever seen a coach do that before? I haven’t.

Honestly the tough to work for stuff and the game decisions hardly bother me. The game decisions in particular I actually sort of like.

But seriously, why is this guy insisting the best player in the NFl is still a developing player? You tell me."

My reply:

So basically you're sold on the guy as a coach. You largely appreciate his roster moves and his in game decisions.

You just don't appreciate his PR.

Well I'm agnostic on the PR, as dismissing coachspeak for me is about as easy as breathing oxygen, but I still don't it's terribly unique for a coach to downplay his team.

ESPECIALLY if they're young.

You want focus. You want humility. You everybody on the team to do their job and stay single-mindedly focused on that.

Allowing a young team to get high on themselves is an invitation for a lack of preparation and focus.

I wouldn't say I'm sold on Haley as a coach. It is unfortunate that he's apparently an asshole to coworkers, that just isn't a huge pet peeve of mine. And although his gambling doesn't bother me at all (thats what I kind of like about his in-game decisions) his roster moves obviously need serious work. You know who I'm talking about here. Although he did handle Tyson Jackson correctly post-injury and he finally started the right linebackers. I don't know, in terms of actual coaching ability, I go back and forth on the guy. Lets say cautiously optimistic. I'm definitely not calling for his job or anything like that.

But yeah, I definitely don't appreciate his PR. Thats the rub.

With respect to his "we're not that good yet" tactic, I think we can at least agree that this team's approach to the media is carefully orchestrated, and that the big-picture directive probably comes down from the top, right? Is it really so hard for you to believe Haley would be trying to make himself look as good as possible? Coaches, GMS, and even ownership tries to do that ALL THE TIME. The have employees whose only job is to do that. This particular tactic is actually kind of obvious, when you think about it.

Its also probable he didn't want to be held to expectations the winning was creating. He and Pioli like everything carefully controlled, and that includes the fans and their reactions to the team. The last thing he wanted was fans realizing he inherited a lot of talent. This was supposed to be he and Pioli building a winner from scratch. "Patience" was the buzzword. Early wins put them in kind of a tough spot this year with fans actually expecting something. That isn't what they want. They want (and actually seem to think they deserve) many years of scrutiny-free, expectation-free room to operate.

I'll give you biased but that's it. I am not wrong. It's just a matter of time until you agree with me is all. I should be GM. Anyone know how to apply for that job? Seriously though good read Matt. Well done sir.

It's safe to safe somebody out there's got a problem with almost anything you do- the White Stripes

Bigg Matt you make my Mondays brighter!

You always write what you feel and do so in an articulate, intelligent and most importantly humorous way. The kind of way that makes milk come out of your nose when laughing while drinking milk. That it some good S@#t.

This site has its followers becuase we are not afraid of saying what we want even though we absoultely KNOW that other sports writers (Whitlock) read us/you, players read us (Shaun Smith), proabably some Chief coaches and staff and others. We are not catering to people for their approval.

I have been writing for the site for awhile. Sometimes I put up good stuff, sometimes I do not, but I stand behind it.

In my opinion, it is OK to be biased we are in essence a news and opinion blog. Saying things against the franchise is important, and gives some "toe the lines" fans some true perspective. Don't ever, ever change, please!

You're too kind Jeremy, much too kind. And I'm sure many of our readers agree with me on that.

The only way I can change is slowly, over time. And hopefully thats change for the better. Thats the goal, anyway.

Does Perv really read AA? Thats awesome! I guess its probably fun for him, I mean he's basically become a hero around here. I'd read a site if everyone on it talked about how much they liked me all the time.

Nice Work Big Matt! Keep up the good work. We are what we are! Thank God we aren't living in a world of clones all mimicing like parrots the same old dribble like the guy next to us drooling into his Cheerios! No matter whether I agree or disagree with you you always give me something to think about. and isn't that what keeps the old tomatoe from goin' rotten? Using it? Actual thinking? In every situation in life I have always believed you can learn something from everyone. Of course sometimes it's what not to do or think! but still you can learn.

I hope for better from TJ next year and think the only way is if he is used sparingly with JC getting the bulk. Same for Vrabel. That way we still get the character w/o hurting ourselves on the field. This year is make it or hit the Yellow Brick Road for Tin Man as far as I am concerned. As far as Clunt (never used that before so that just for you Big Matt!) goes he better break out the check book and get us some premium free agents especially a WR or I may just shove my season tickets up his clunt!

I always giggle when someone else uses "Clunt." One of my favorite nicknames of all time. Although I know its controversial, so I've gotta pick my spots.

"and isn’t that what keeps the old tomatoe from goin’ rotten? Using it? Actual thinking? In every situation in life I have always believed you can learn something from everyone. Of course sometimes it’s what not to do or think! but still you can learn."

Huzzah! Thats a great attitude. I try to learn as much as I can from those who disagree with me, but it isn't easy to do. I'm a naturally contentious person. Its a constant struggle to get past that. I like to think the effort counts for something. And sometimes I succeed.

I would've been cool with TJ and Vrabel this year as backups. That should've been their role (and would've been almost anywhere else). After having them crammed down my throat all year now I just want them gone. Its gonna be a long season for me and Jones.

I feel like this article is a response to the heat you get for not being as fawning of the Chiefs franchise as you could be.

If that's the case, I hope you don't feel the necessity to back into the "hey I'm just another guy with an opinion" trope. You clearly understand the heat, I hope it just fuels your point of view even moreso rather than watering it down.

Post of the week, Big Matt.

And Crock knows all about feeling the heat. You don't get the nickname "Crock Pot" without thinking outside the box.

Muchos gracias.

I'm certainly no stranger to heat around here. And it does wear on me at times. But I'll take some heat if it means people hear things they might not otherwise. Most of the time its all in good fun anyway. I'm not going to take it too personal if some dude I've never met calls me an idiot on the internet.

It is very, very important to me that the people running the Chiefs be held accountable for what they say and do. That, more than anything, is what fuels my point of view.

I was way too late to comment on the blockeater article from 2 weeks ago, I was late to the party last week and posted a comment that probably nobody read. I tried to make it in time this week, but I don't really have a whole lot to say.

TDIL and the other poster from last week calling you out for race baiting and being sophomoric must have really gotten to you. Based on my personal experiences which formed my biases, it seems that you took their advice, “grew up”, and in your old age you have gotten soft.

If you walked a mile in my shoes you’d know I am never wrong.

You know it actually was one of those comments that was the inspiration. The guy's name was Jayker, I think. He accused me of being biased. I bristled inwardly. Then I thought about it for a few minutes and was like, "yeah, I'm totally biased."

I still think I'm right, mind you. And I've got a pretty serious ulterior motive here. My hope is that by admitting my biases, I will encourage others to recognize their own. Beast Nation is totally unwilling to do that. Like, to a scary degree.

I don't want unbiased writers on AA. I want fair writers.

Newspapers are boring. I want writers who will say what they think and challenge our readers. I feel like I learn by listening to people I disagree with.

It's not easy to pull off a confession post while at the same time not really admitting that you are wrong (just that you possibly could be). You are either going after Pioli's job or making a push to get into politics.

In all sincerity, well done!

"And I’ve got a pretty serious ulterior motive here. My hope is that by admitting my biases, I will encourage others to recognize their own."

This is a tactic straight out of Camus' "The Fall". Always knew you were a closet existentialist, mon cher. So you've got a license to kill next week. I expect a column calling into question Brian Waters' character.

Ya Beast Nation can be scary, but nothing coming out of there is as terrifying as Todd Haley still talking about Jamal Charles like he's the back-up.

Oh come on now Greens, we all know Jamaal Charles is a developing player. Some day, when he's in his mid-thirties, he'll be a finished product.

I think the reason haley constantly downplays this team's, and Charles in particular's, talent level is that he wants to be able to take credit if/when they do make a serious run. They were developing, he developed them. This is the narrative he's trying to establish.

That's a hell of a conspiracy theory, there, Matt. Good lord.

Haley is purposefully telling us his teams aren't good, and are purposefully underplaying his best players, so that he can look totally awesome when one day he releases his team's true talent and get all the credit when he trumpets how good they are?

Good lord. I love your skeptical perspective, but there's a difference between Brett Baiar and Glenn Beck. This is teetering a little too close to Beck territory in the Chiefs' universe.

Ease up.

There's plenty of room to criticize Haley for what he's said and what he's done on the field. A ton of questionable decisions and apparently the guy is unbearable to work for if you have a certain personality he doesn't like, or are any kind of offensive coordinator.

But the guy's not a frickin' demon.

I don't think he's a demon. In fact I don't even think a tactic like that would be so out of the ordinary. These guys all grope for as much credit as they can get. Somewhere Herm Edwards is perpetuating the theory that he drafted these players, so the credit should go to him. These guys all have their masters in job protection. Their other full-time jobs.

Whether or not you agree with this theory, you'd have to admit Haley talked A LOT about how his team wasn't that good yet. This as they were winning the division. Have you ever seen a coach do that before? I haven't.

Honestly the tough to work for stuff and the game decisions hardly bother me. The game decisions in particular I actually sort of like.

But seriously, why is this guy insisting the best player in the NFl is still a developing player? You tell me.

Always love your stuff, on your latter statements I dont personally care if Thomas Jones does lose wieght, then he will be about Charles size with out the track speed.

We need some one who can bang out a big defensive line, running backs are a dime a dozen, get one undrafted who doesnt drop the ball and loves to crash and your issue is fixed. Charles can find a buddy with someone else man, I'm sure Jones is a real likeable guy but this is a business and its time we let him go.

Mikes intangebles; well on this I do realize that some of these young men need father figures because a guy that coaches like Haley does, cant really provide that type of leadership, that is no excuse for leaving Vrabel in all year. I dont care if the guy has a defensive brain that recognizes everything on offense, smart teams are not going to field Dick Labo. Mikes lost not just a step but he's lost it all except his brain, leave him off the field. I wont even comment about the beer thing that is just dumb he got drunk and forgot to pay is my assumption.

On Clark well maybe he isn't the devil. The CBA calls for players and owners to get together and discuss the deals. Its not like were everyone else works you dont get to debate the owner on your salary. It's not the classic conservative vs liberal debate here. So for the owners to be snakes and not show the books to justify thier enormous raises they are willing to lock out for, to "save" the franchise is just sidewinderish. If the NFL were a regualar business I would say well it is thiers to do with and set the guidelines however they will but it is not. Clark is no angel and I wish he would open up his pocket book a little bit more to try and get us to the big dance.

This may be your best work yet :)

Thanks Denny, much obliged.