Big Matt’s Chiefs Chat- Grading the Chiefs Defense

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I think we were all pretty surprised at how well our defense played this year.  This was a unit that had been very, very bad in 2009 and didn’t add much talent other than some rookies in the secondary.  I expected Romeo “pants” Crennel to help the unit take a tiny step forward, but I also assumed it would remain one of the worst defenses in the league.  I was wrong. 

There are going to be some pretty generous grades handed out in this one.  Maybe too generous.  But this unit exceeded all expectations and was able to carry an inconsistent offense through some tough times.  Less was expected of them, yet they delivered more.  I grew to really love this group over the course of the season.  And the arrow is clearly pointing up for them, as opposed to the numerous question marks surrounding the future of the offense. 

Basically what I’m saying is that despite statistically comparable performances over the course of the season, I feel justified giving the defense much higher marks on average. 

Grades after the jump:

A+

Tamba Hali- Hali was a revelation this year.  He looked just as good as Jared Allen in his prime.  Hali’s strange personality will prevent him from ever attaining Allen’s star power, but it turns out Herm and Gunther were right when they said he was just as good.  Of course, he needed them to leave before he could reach his potential.  But reached it he has.  He’s easily the most important player on our defense.  Without him, the whole thing would collapse. 

A

Brandon Flowers- I wore my Dwayne Bowe jersey instead of Flowers during the playoff game.  Was that the wrong move?  Style over substance?  Do I owe Brandon Flowers an apology?

Flowers is my favorite Chief.  He’s the new James Hasty, who was my favorite in his day.  Aggressive, fearless, physical, consistently dependable in coverage despite lack of blazing speed.  when watching our defense you get the feeling Flowers is the leader.  He didn’t put up gaudy stats this year, but don’t let that fool you.  Quarterbacks shun Flowers like Mormons shun archaeology. 

A-

Eric Berry- Some of you remember Berry getting beat deep and probably think this grade is too high.  I can understand your position.  Berry did make several rookie mistakes.  I still think his first year went about as good as it could have.

What do we hope for from rookies?  Enough potential shown to offset mistakes made.  Did we get that from Berry?  Absolutely.  There were big plays all over the place.  Too many to count.  He took his lumps, but I’d say he was well worth that draft pick.  The kid is a future star.  He did everything we could reasonably have expected of him.  Thus, this grade is deserved.

I’m going to start calling Eric Berry “Batman.”  More on this later.

B+

Perv Smith- I realize The Perv is not a B+ talent.  On a really good team he probably wouldn’t even start.  He’s a journeyman, and for the most part, he plays like it.

But to grade Smith based only on that would be shortsighted.   He brought a lot to this defense.  Size, for one thing.  If you don’t have legitimately good linemen for the 3-4, the next best thing is to get a big ol’ pervert in there to mix it up.  Inspire your team, piss the other team off.  I think Smith did both of those things.  He was fired up in the playoff game.  The few guys who came to play that day have forever earned my respect.  Smith is one of them.

He’s also a guy I think has value to this defense moving forward.  He plays the run well.  Gilberry plays the pass well.  That’s a good DE platoon right there.  Or we could move him to the NT rotation, which is what we all assumed would happen when Smith was signed.  A Perv/Sweet Ron platoon would be something I could get behind.

The Perv gives us options.  And he’s hilarious.  Bottom line: We need to bring back Shaun Smith.

Brandon Carr- Carr has done the same thing every year he’s been here: performed better than opposing teams have thought he would.  Everyone tries to pick on Carr.  A natural consequence of playing opposite Brandon Flowers.  But the guy holds up admirably, and occasionally he shines.  Carr is an ideal second corner.  I’d like to call him the Bob Odenkirk of our secondary, but I question the mass appeal of that one. 

Wallace Gilberry- On a per-snap basis, Wally Gills is one of the most productive players on our defense.  I think our coaches value him, but haven’t gotten the most out of him for a variety of reasons, the two biggest being his tweener size and Tin Man’s draft status.  This can’t be held against Gilberry in his grade.  I think a goal for next season should be to get him more involved in the base defense.  The ability to rush the passer is a truly rare skill.

B

Derrick Johnson- DJ started the season on fire, and we all wanted to think that mythical Derrick Johnson breakout season had finally arrived.  That was foolish of us.  Johnson is no longer a young star in the making.  He’s a good player who can be inconsistent.  He’s worthy of a starting spot, and usually plays pretty well.

Todd Haley didn’t somehow motivate Johnson into a good season.  DJ did what he always has done.  Played well, but not quite as well as we had daydreamed.  He made a lot of tackles.  If only he’d caught a few more of those picks…..

Andy Studebaker- The Student Baker shows much promise.  Unfortunately, we didn’t get to see nearly enough of him this season.  We kept on thinking he’d eventually be unleashed, and it never happened.  Our team’s obsession with Mike Vrabel ensured that.  Now we head into next season unsure just how good Studebaker can be.  My guess is pretty good.  A net gain over Vrabel in any case.

B-

Kendrick Lewis- I have to confess that I didn’t spend as much time or energy on Louis Lewis this year as I meant to.  He looked like a potentially dynamic player.  I definitely preferred him to Jon McGraw.  He’s a lot like Brandon Carr: a fifth round pick who made the most of an available opportunity.  A good player destined to be outshone by the stud drafted before him and playing opposite him.

We should start calling Berry and Lewis Batman and Robin.  I think we could have a lot of fun with that.  Plus then Rivers could be the Riddler.  Or maybe……The Rivler? 

Glenngary Glenn Dorsey- I still think Chiefs fans overrate Dorsey.  We always have, if only to keep our sanity.  We were promised much from him, by some very desperate men.  Too much.  When he couldn’t deliver, the spin attempt became a sickening charade.

But thats all in the past.  Dorsey wasn’t what those desperate men thought he was.  He’s something else.  But that something else has value too.  Dorsey has progressed into a decent player.  He’s more active now than in the past.  Makes his presence felt.  Throw in those 2 sacks (!) and you’ve got yourself a B- player.

C+ 

Javier Arenas- I’m not gonna lie Addicts, I still don’t love this pick.  The ceiling doesn’t seem high enough for a second rounder. 

Personal misgivings aside, a good nickelback does have value.  I think Arenas can be a good nickelback.  But I’m not sure yet.  I couldn’t help but notice a lot of McGraw in that nickel package as the season progressed.  For whatever reason, Arenas’ role was lessened towards the end of the year.  Both in the return game and on the defensive end. 

This might sound overly critical.  I don’t mean it to be.  Some people whose opinions I respect really like Arenas.  I can’t say I’m in that camp, but he should be a decent piece.  I like to ask people which rookie they prefer, Lewis or Arenas.  Most people have a definitive opinion one way or the other.  I prefer Lewis.

Sweet Ron Edwards- Sweet Ron just keeps pluggin’ along.  This year he was the starting nose tackle for a division champion and playoff team.  Some day, if he hangs around long enough, he may find himself mayor of Kansas City. 

In all honesty, Sweet Ron isn’t great.  He made a couple nice sacks and then got tired.  But anyone who stays on the team for a while is likely to become a legend of sorts.  William Bartee being a notable exception.

Demorrio Speedwagon- Demorrio had an extremely costly penalty in the playoff game, but I’m not going to let that overshadow a surprisingly good season played mostly in obscurity.  When he was out there, he played well.   Be it special teams or defense.  I actually think our defense may have been better this year with Speedwagon in the starting lineup over Jovan Belcher.

C

Jovan Belcher- I’m not that high on Belcher, and I never really have been.  A middle linebacker should be a presence, and I don’t feel like he is. 

However, he is still young and he showed some flash in the playoff game.  If nothing else, he’s a definite upgrade from Corey Mays, Pat Thomas, and Nap Harris.  We’ve had some serious stiffs at middle linebacker these last few years.  Belcher is a stiff with some upside. 

C-

Jon McGraw- Mcgraw is a decent guy for depth, and I’ve even liked him at times.  But he isn’t a guy you should have covering people on third down in a playoff game.  When asked to play a major role this year, McGraw was shown to be inadequate.  Or maybe just barely adequate.  Either way, not a solution.  And also getting a little long in the tooth perhaps?

D-

Tin Man- The only thing that Kept Tyson Jackson from another F was the slight improvement toward season’s end.  So very slight.  But he got his first sack, he worked his way back into the rotation, and I want to believe he can become a decent player.  I’ll try to forget the shocking weight gain and less shocking poor play. 

What I don’t want to see is Tin Man handed a starting spot because of where he was picked.  It’s time for everyone, including the Chiefs, to stop thinking of him as a #3 overall pick and start thinking of him as a dude competing for a job. 

F

Mike Vrabel- Bad professional sports teams bring in guys like Vrabel and talk about their leadership and intangibles.  Across the parking lot, the Royals have provided countless examples of this.  They do it literally every year.  Even as we speak, Dayton Moore is telling someone what a great leader Jeff Franceour is. 

Last season Vrabel was a decent stopgap for a bad team.  This season he was a year slower, blocking an obviously better player, and we were a playoff team.  The Chiefs’ refusal to so much as consider benching him, or even lessening his PT, was embarrassing.  And it cost us.  Vrabel couldn’t rush the passer, stop the run, or cover anyone.  He was a complete black hole in our lineup.  This is what happens when your coaches get too attached to attributes that aren’t real. 

Next week, we get to the coaching staff and front office.  And after that, the infamous I Was Wrong Awards!  Who says the pre-free agency offseason isn’t fun?

note: I was in a pretty good mood when doing my initial defensive grading and I think I was overly generous in a few cases.  Some small adjustments have been made. 

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Rivler - I love it. Can I go ahead and get a show of hands to officially nominate Al Davis as the Penguin?

i thought arenas was fantastic when he blitzed and defensed some pretty key passes. not a bad contribution from a rookie nickel. worth a B- I'd say. the grading concept is tough, because it necessarily includes some assessment of expectations, role, and PT (which isn't just a question of merit with this staff).

bad punctuation, was just too excited to use my newly activated account. meant to say "i thought arenas was fantastic when he blitzed, and he defensed some pretty key passes." (i like saying defensed instead of defended).

Welcome vilniusnastavnik. Good to have you commenting.

I might rate a few up or down a grade, but overall I agree with most of the ratings. Solid analysis plus BONUS POINTS for "Quarterbacks shun Flowers like Mormons shun archaeology." That is one of the best analogies that I have heard in years!

Ditto on both lol I got a good laugh out of that one

Glad you guys liked that one. 20th century Archaeology has not been kind to the mormons. Although they don't seem to let it bug them too much.

green I think flowers should have sat out more than one week for his hamsrting that game he came back he wasnt ready and if you push something like that you ruin alot of your season IMO, I know I just threw an excuse out there for him so but your right his injury did hurt him.

just for his playoff game, i would give Belcher a b minus

Know I'm the only one but I think Daniels should get a little time in the nickle slot, dude has a nose for the football. So sign him if nothing else he almost had two picks in the game he filled in for Flowers, thats some depth now let me tell you.

I think Daniels deserves a spot on the team. He could develop into a rich man's Leggett. And I liked the regular Leggett.

If we're grading on an expectations curve, which it's impossible not to do, I'd actually demote Flowers to a B+. I probably have unreasonable expectations for the guy, but I think he's a top tier corner and didn't look like himself after his midseason injury (at least a lot of the local media guys were reporting he was hurt). I'm simply staggered by what Tamba accomplished without another serious pass rushing threat on our team (possibly excepting Gilberry). I can certainly see Sweet Ron doing ribbon-cutting events and some ceremonial pie-eating contests, but does he have the stomach to take on the city council? What am I saying? Of course he has the stomach. I'm in.

Great last paragraph. Classic Greens. This is the second straight year that Flowers tweaked a hammy and wasn't quite the same force afterwards. It's a bummer, because he obviously has it in him to dominate games. Even after his injury though, teams didn't often throw his way. And he still has all the same mental aspects that are such a huge part of what makes him great. I probably should've given him an A-, but he gets bumped a few % for being my boy.

Big Matt I dont know why but I only think I've disagreed with one of your posts ever and I think it was when you were mad at big scary Barry or something, but I gotta say man I agree again do you believe it. Vrabel Moxy I like the F on vrabel because I think it got in the way of Andy's progression he slowed down team movement and he was a major liability on every play, I dont think I've ever seen an OLB play worse defense. Big Matt I really like were you said Demarr should have played over Belcher too, think we would have been a little better. Plus finding ways to get Gil in the game will not hurt. I even agree on Arena's only I think both of our seconds could have been better spent than what they were.

Vrabel was poor. I don't deny that. But, if he is an F then Studebaker is a D. And I don't agree with that. Studebaker did have his development a bit hampered. But, had he played the majority of the snaps he would have been exposed. There is a reason he is a backup. His run defense is pretty awful. He gets a decent pass rush, but can also be swallowed up. I would give him high marks on his pass defense, but he is just too inconsistent. I love Andy, he is an Illinois boy, but I think we over-estimate how much better he is than Vrabel.

The thing is though Moxy, Studebaker had 2.5 sacks in very limited PT. How many would he have had if given Vrabel's amount of snaps? Half a dozen? More? Surely that makes up for some struggles in the run game, right? And really, given that he was in predominantly on passing downs if at all, I don't think any of us can really claim to know that much about the Student Baker's rush defense yet. I'm willing to bet it would've been better than Vrabel's in any case. Danny, I was very hard on Barry Richardson after the shove, so perhaps that was the article we disagreed on. It does seem like usually we're on the same page. I definitely agree with you that our 2nd round was questionable. Nothing against Arenas or McCluster, but if we could do those picks over again I would.

I paid a lot of attention to Studebaker against the Rams. I think he saw a lot more time in that game. And he played pretty well. But, he "opens the gate," really bad as a DE. Tamba does the same, but not to his extent. It is fully correctable, but I just grade him down because of that. I'll admit, though, that I am a firm believer in shutting down the run game. The game is changing, but I think it still boils down to run defense. I may be a bit harsh on Studebaker because of that. All in all, I can see your point Matt.

I like your honesty and enthusiasm with the grades and would have loved to have you as a teacher.

Hey Big Matt, you hear that Tony G is considering retirement?

Thats a bummer, but hardly surprising. This loss had to have been heartbreaking for him. At the same time, he makes millions of dollars to play football, so I'm not gonna shed any tears for his hardships. I ate a can of baked beans for dinner last night.

Can't complain too much about the grades. Although, if C is average then we probably have too many guys with high grades. I don't know if Vrabel is an F. To get an F, I would have to say you make the team a lot worse. I don't think he made it a lot better, but he didn't make it a lot worse, either. I could understand a D, as he was below average.

I adjusted a few of the grades down a notch, but I don't think a C has ever really been average in my mind. I mean, show me a school where the average GPA is 2.0. I think of a straight C more towards mediocre, with D being actually bad.

I am in the Arenas Arena (fan group started right now) but I still wonder about him. I think he did a good job in coverage when he was playing the nickel. I don't understand the move of McGraw playing more in the nickel at the end of the year. Based on how the Chiefs were playing him at the end of the year, it is not looking good on the value of the pick. I was trying to talk myself into really liking the pick, but I definitely felt it devalued the McCluster pick. All and all, he is on our team and we should now evaluate him based on him being a Chief and not where he was drafted (same with all our players). All that being said, if I had to choose between the two I'd take Louis Lewis. I thought he had a great year and it showed when he was injured how much we missed him. He might go down as the steal of the draft when it is all said and done. I don't think the coaching staff thinks too highly of Arenas in the secondary for whatever reason. Why didn't they put him in at safety when Lewis was banged up instead of Donald Washington or the other scrubs? Kind of off topic, but what's the latest on Cameron Sheffield. I know they were high on him before his neck injury. Is he going to be back next year or ever? I never really heard the severity of it besides "out for the year". We could use some help both inside and outside at LB. Based on all the other draft picks from that class, I think he could be good.

The arenas Arena! I think Paddy might join you in that one, he's an Arenas guy. The Centaur over at FJH is too, I believe. Jackie Rubbinson is an Arenas fan as well. It's weird how they subjugated him as the year went on. He wasn't exciting in the return game, but he seemed to be solid in coverage. I felt like each week I was seeing less and less of him. Troubling. What I'm worried might happen is that next year rolls around and Arenas isn't necessarily even the nickel back. If there's one thing Alex magee taught us, its that the trip from semi-promising rookie to off the team can be a short one. I don't know much about Cameron Sheffield's status. People seemed to like him when he was drafted. Still, I'm not expecting anything from a 5th round pick who spent his entire rookie year on the IR. If he comes back and does anything it'll be a pleasant surprise.

While I did not watch closely, Arenas seemed to be covering a wide receive one on one when he came in as the nickel back.

So you should call Carr "Mr. Show" then right?

Maybe they could talk Flowers and Carr into doing a remake of the hit song "Ew Girl Ew" by two plus two minus one....

That was the reference I was referring to, yes. Carr is the Bob Odenkirk to Flowers' David Cross. I woner if Odenkirk is bitter at how things turned out? He doesn't strike me as a bitter guy, but it would have to be hard to watch most of your contemporaries become stars, knowing that at one point you had comparable talent. I'd constantly be asking where it all went wrong.

Can't we just call them the Brandon Brothers?

The Brandon Archipelago

I love Shaun Smith. He has to be back next year. Kendrick Lewis is going to be better than you think. Eric Berry's rookie season: 16 games, 92 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 interceptions Other Rookie Seasons: Ed Reed; Year 2002, 16 games, 85 Tackles, 1 Sack, 5 interceptios Kerry Rhodes; Year 2005, 16 Games, 85 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 Interception Sean Taylor; Year 2004, 15 Games, 60 Tackles, 1 Sack, 4 Interceptions Troy Palomalu; Year 2003, 16 Games, 38 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 0 Interceptions Donte Whitner; Year 2006, 15 Games, 37 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 1 Interception Adrian Wilson; Year 2001, 16 Games, 32 Tackles. 0.5 Sacks, 2 Interceptions Brandon Meriweather; Year 2001, 32 Tackles, 0 sacks, 0 interceptions Jarrad Page, Year 2006, 16 Games 30 tackles, 1 Sack, 3 Interceptions Jon McGraw, Year 2002, 15 Games, 30 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 1 interception Bob Sanders; Year 2004, 6 Games, 29 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 Interceptions Antrel Rolle, Year 2005, 5 Games, 28 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 1 Interception OJ Otogwe; Year 2005, 12 Games, 11 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 Interceptions Bernard Pollard, Year 2006, 16 Games, 10 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 interceptions Eric Berry is going to be one of the best, ever?

Kendrick Lewis 12 games, 30 tackles, 0 sacks, 3 interceptions

Berry is going to be a BEAST!

Petty impressive stats, but I'm not sure how much weight to put on them. If a safety regularly gets beat, what is the importance of the stats? Don't get me wrong. I think Berry will be very good. But he was not A- this year.

I'm not a huge fan of comparing people's rookie stats. So much of those stats are circumstantial. Also rookie situations with regards to PT differ drastically from one team to the next. Having said that, I sure liked this list :) I think Berry is going to be awesome.

Great entertaining analysis and pretty good explanations of all grades. As Big Matt said, there is a bit of grade inflation here with many of the higher grades, but heck, they made the playoffs. But Eric Berry clearly did not have an A- season. It is a continuation of the overrating of number one draft picks, after Dorsey and TinMan. He is a great tackler, who perhaps placed as a C+ level and, if you want to give him rookie credit, then maybe a B or B+. He really did not look close to the stud safeties that you see in the league, although he might yet get there someday. But he was getting beat too often from game one through the playoff game.

I did grade a touch high initially. That said, your mind was poisoned against Berry before the season even started by that scout you heard say Kendrick Lewis was better. The two played next to each other all year; Berry was clearly better. C+ is just not an accurate assessment from where I'm standing. And a comparison to Dorsey and Tin Man is flat out crazy. Those guys spent their rookie seasons getting pancaked while out of shape. Berry became a playmaker before his rookie season was even over. He got beat sometimes, I will admit that. He also had several great plays in coverage. Not every deep ball we let up was his fault, and we didn't let up an inordinate amount. Agree to disagree on this one.

Lewis and Berry were close to the same in their caliber of play this year. I would give the edge to Berry because he is such a good tackler. But generally, look at what the tight ends did against us and look at the TD passes against us. Berry was the victim far too often for an A- grade. The comparison was not to the play of Dorsey and Tin Man, but to the overating of first round draft choices.

Right, I got that. But the comparison to Berry's overrating and those guys, particularly Dorsey, is way off. Dorsey was terrible as a rookie and people were swearing he was getting double-teamed on every play. It was some of the craziest, scariest groupthink I've ever seen. The worst people have done with Berry is allow his many big plays and excellent run support to overshadow some mistakes in coverage. Not the same thing.

My point is that when people like a number 1 pick, they overrate his performance. So if Dorsey was a D, fans of him would rank him C or B. And, if Berry was a C (or B), fans of him would rank him A. He better be great next year with the Chiefs' schedule, although Paddy made the good point earlier that all teams in our division will have a tough scheudle and 7 or 8 wins might take the division. So there is more hope than I thought.

Wish you would have looked at the defense as a group insted. Crennel gets lots of credit for his efforts with a group short on talent. Maybe a "bend don't break is all you can play with these guys? Did not seem strong in the adjustment department, what was there either was adequate or game over. If you looked at who we played, the teams we see twice a year, cleaned our clocks against Crennel defenses. In fact, did we beat a winning team at the time we played them?? Hali was best, then Smith, Berry, Flowers, and Carr. The rest all had moments and lapses, even more than the five named. DJ chased a lot, out of position and even then was great for some games. Dorsey was stronger than expected. McGraw tried but the speed was gone, add Vrabel. Then consider the backups, no body worth mentioning. You had kind statements about two, I take acception to. Arenas, much heralded 2nd round pick, turned into a nickle back. Not much bang for the buck. Just to small for the NFL, maybe canada? Jackson, third pick of the draft, and how is the 4th pick doing, oh yeah, he is still playing in the AFC Champ. game. A bit "F" as a pick and the job he is doing. Cannot wait to hear from the "give him time, it takes time to learn the NFL" guys - where are you?? Sanchez is playing while Jackson is home in front of his Wii. Guess the Jets do not need time to get first rounders to contribute.

Tin Man was obviously a lousy pick, but the grade here is for performance. It is a little hard to be to critical of a D-. Also, since we were not interested in a quarterback, I don't know that a comparison to Sanchez is the right comparison. I have heard that draft was weak, and perhaps the other pickes behind Tin Man have not been that good either.

I think I would have rather had BJ Raji or Aaron Curry from that Draft

oh oh!! or Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews

Matthews does look like a player. Big Matt knows who else was available. My recollection is that Curry was the logical choice. How has he done?

I almost gave Tin Man an F. Maybe I should've. He was certainly a terrible pick. People are quick to say that was a weak class, and that looks like it's probably somewhat true. However, Chiefs fans are quick to classify other teams' picks as busts while demanding several years before we can consider evaluating ours. A fairly obvious double-standard. I'll say this: I would rather have almost anyone else picked in the first round that year (possible exceptions Heyward-Bey and Andre Smith). Oher, Alex Mack, Orakpo, Cushing, Matthews, Curry, Raji, Eugene Monroe, Crabtree, Moreno, Sanchez, Maclin, and Mauluga are all players I'd much rather the Chiefs have taken off the top of my head.

Rivler - I love it.

Can I go ahead and get a show of hands to officially nominate Al Davis as the Penguin?

i thought arenas was fantastic when he blitzed and defensed some pretty key passes. not a bad contribution from a rookie nickel. worth a B- I'd say. the grading concept is tough, because it necessarily includes some assessment of expectations, role, and PT (which isn't just a question of merit with this staff).

bad punctuation, was just too excited to use my newly activated account.

meant to say "i thought arenas was fantastic when he blitzed, and he defensed some pretty key passes." (i like saying defensed instead of defended).