The Thom Jones Conundrum

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Wait....I think this might be the wrong Tom Jones (source: yardbarker.com)

When the Kansas City Chiefs signed Thomas Jones, I, like all of you, was happy.  I wasn’t gushing about it or calling Scott Pioli a genius like some, but it was clearly a good signing.  Jones would limit wear-and-tear on Jamaal Charles, provide a quality insurance policy, and give the Chiefs a dose of that veteran leadership they love so well.  Finally, we had signed someone who wasn’t a former Cardinal, Patriot, or 35-year-old guy named Mike.  This move was clearly a win for everyone.

Except now Thom Jones is starting games.   I know it’s only the preseason, but I still can’t wrap my head around this.  Jamaal Charles is a much, much better running back than Jones.  It isn’t close.  Last year, he made a bad line look good and averaged nearly six yards per carry doing it.  Jones, meanwhile, locker-room-leadered his way to a paltry 4.2 yards per carry behind one of the better lines in the NFL.  

JC is also eight years younger than Jones.  His best is probably yet to come.  It’s not an exaggeration to say that he is one of the most exciting young players in the game.  No disrespect to Thom Jones, but he is just not on Jamaal Charles’s level right now. 

I’ve tried looking at this from another perspective.  The “old school, respect the veterans” perspective.  But even that doesn’t seem to be applicable in this case.  Jones may be old, but he got that way playing for other teams.  Charles has been a Chief longer than Pioli or Haley.  He’s been forced to rot on the bench behind inferior players the whole time, and he hasn’t once complained about it.  He gave another lost season it’s only real dash of hope, and he’s been etched in all of the most loyal fans’ memories for the past eight months.  If anyone is deserving of a tip-of-the-cap, appreciation start, it is Charles. 

So yeah, I’m worried when I see Thom Jones with the first team.  Training camp, preseason game, whatever.  It just doesn’t make any sense.  And I really don’t want to spend another season watching my team’s head coach make decisions that don’t make sense.  God, I feel like I’ve been doing that forever.  I’m not asking for Todd Haley to be a genius, but he needs to get the obvious stuff right.  This falls in that category.  Jamaal Charles needs to start, and he needs to get the majority of the carries.  Not all of the carries, but the majority.

The most troubling of Haley’s many mistakes last season is his inability to recognize what he had in Charles.  I’ve previously written that I thought Haley was a guy who could learn from his mistakes.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t appear to be happening in this case.  Here we are in year two and Jamaal Charles is still not the starter.  But you know who is starting?  Corey Mays and Demorrio Williams.  Still.  We all keep assuming everything will be put to rights, but it hasn’t happened yet, and I’m no longer sure it will. 

Of course, our coaches could clue us in to their grand design.  But for some reason that type of thing is against the rules.  It’s not polite to ask why.  Just sit back, relax, and trust the guys who brought you four wins last year.  They know what they’re doing.  Don’t believe me?  Try to break into Arrowhead.  Just try.  The new laser beams Scott Pioli installed will have you cut to ribbons before you can say “Patriot Way.”

Coaches in all sports get attached to players that aren’t very good.  Whether it be grit, hustle, intangibles, or veteran leadership, something about certain mediocre players is irresistible to their leaders.  With bad coaches this problem tends to be more pronounced.  Across the complex, Jason Kendall is breaking records for playing time and Willie Bloomquist is revered as a baseball saint.  The Royals are bad, and that’s how bad teams do.  If the Chiefs want to climb out of the cellar, distancing themselves from their perennially terrible neighbor would be a good start.  I’m seeing waaaay too many similarities between the Chiefs and Royals these days.  But that’s another topic for another post.

I’d like to see Jones, Mays, Williams, and even Mike Vrabel and Jon McGraw out of the starting lineup by the time the season starts.  I’ve got nothing against any of those guys, but its time to look to the future.  Standing pat with below-average options isn’t looking to the future, its treading water.  And man, I would hate to see Haley tread water with the guys who got him to 4-12.  That’s like getting a bad filet-o-fish and going right back to McDonalds the next day (when really the obvious move is to boycott the location until the McRib comes back). 

It might be too early to be getting on the Chiefs about this.  There is, after all, still plenty of time to tune up.  But all this losing has made me paranoid.  I don’t want to see Todd Haley repeating mistakes, even if it is the preseason.  I keep wishing these bizarre depth charts away, and they keep coming back.

Jamaal Charles needs to start this week.  And next week.  And the week after that.  And every week for as long as he’s a Chief.  Nothing against Thom Jones, but having him in that starting lineup is a criminal misuse of talent.  A team like the Chiefs simply cannot afford to mismanage what meager resources we have.  

Needless to say, I’ll be keeping a close eye on the starting lineups for the rest of the preseason.

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Nice article Big Matt, but your stressing out over nothing. We need to get Jones accustomed to his new team, and O-line. He had a good one in NY, not so much here, yet. Oh, and Haley knows what he has in Charles, so does the NFL. Don't believe the media hype. Haley is as excited as anyone to have Charles running the ball. He's saving him for when it counts. KC kept Charles on the bench for 8 games last year for two reasons: 1. The season was a "rebuilding" one, so why not keep the young guys legs fresh and keep your franchise RB longer. 2. They had planned on dumping Larry, but thought if he might do something on the field they could get a pick for him. Don't blame them b/c it didn't work.

Enjoying this thread. Jamaal is where it's at. But after giving Jones $6 mil over the next two years surely Pioli will send him home in a body bag. Especially if the Chiefs start losing games. In any case, I don't care if Jones takes the first snap as long as everything is being done with Charles in mind. He's the game-changer, Jones the role player.

I guarantee anyone in a tizzy about this that barring injury, Jamaal will have at least 1.4 times more carries this season than Jones, in other words at least an approximate 60-40 split. Haley is many things, but dumb ain't one of them. Quite the opposite. He's one of the sharpest Head Coaches I've seen, certainly the sharpest around here since Marty. He saw how much more effective our Offense and offensive line is running wide than up the gut. He commented many times how Charles energized the offense and the more they gave him, the better he got. Charles is coming off serious shoulder surgery. He's being eased back in, but EVERYONE, from Haley on down, realizes who the feature back on this team is. I'm amazed that some fans don't seem to realize it, because Todd Haley sure does. He's not going to come out and say it in bold print, because his mantra is everyone is always competing, and he's always partial to established vets in designations of depth charts and things like that, but take it to the bank the distribution of carries will be at least 60-40 Jamaal.

Well put! No one could see what we see Jamall do and not know he's something special. I guess if Haley can fools some fans, maybe he'll fool some DC's. I doubt it.

Sorry gentlemen, but thomas is a 225 pound beast, I do understand that he Charles is the future, but that is my point, charles obviously wasnt able to win the job, he was listed as number 1 on the depth charts goin into camp. Coach Haley has made the decision that at this point TJ is the started, and after all some of the most sucessful teams in the league have a 2 back set andd in this league you must earn the top spot. I my self know Thomas Jones personally, he grew up about 20 miles from my home, his parents are hard working people and have instilled values in thomas that are not so common in this league today. Thomas is in the best shape of his career, he has never had a major injury, he is durable and un like charles like i mentioned before, Only LT has ran for more yards than TJ in the last5 seasons. Charles is he survives the punishment and is able to continue to devlelop, then he will make a great back, Unfortunatly a little over a half a season doesnt make a career, exspecially at the postition of rb. Charles is small in NFL standards, but is young and given time can develop into a majur force. but right now i would want the veteran who has been ther to protect my QB, You guys are thinking with your emotions, making Charles the starter is goin to fix all the Chiefs problems, and in all fareness TJ wont be able to fix is , but I think he will be able to stand up to the punishment, and be a much better pass blocker for Cassell. That will also allow Charles to come in and break the big one, You guys think about, PS I apologizefor insulting anyone on this blogwk4z

That's funny...Charles wasn't able to win the starting job. Tied for 11 in the NFL last year, starting only 8 games. We'll see who's #1 when the season starts. Jones was brought in and will contribute, but Charles is man! I just hope opposing defenses can't stop either one. I don't care who carries the ball over the goal line, just so it happens often.

This to put it mildly, simply amazing! Jamaal Charles has entered his contract year. If the Chiefs feel that he is the future of the offense, they are mortgaging that future with stupidity that will run him out of town. Then they will be stuck with a 170 pound running back and a large contract on an aging dinosaur. By that time, Haley will be adding to the nations high unemployment rate! Oh well!!

first of all, what kind of idiot are you. Thomas Jones is second only to Lt in yards over the last 5 seasons, true Jamal Charles is younger, but he is far less experienced than Tj. The jets will be missing TJ this year, and it was not a coindence that the jets were the number one rushing team, and largely led by TJ. The bears after the 2007 season decided to go in a different direction, We have seen how thats worked out for them. Thomas Jones is a proven running back, and Charles has had 1 half of a season, I got a idea lets let the coaches coach, and and if and when Charles is ready to be the starter, then so be it. But for now dont be blind Jones is coming off one of his best years as a pro, and know one will out work TJ, just read the team reports. And at the end of the year if the Chiefs are successful it will have something to do with Thomas Jones, not Jamal Charles, Every were Thomas has went he's has helped the team turn things around, and he is one of very few active Rb that may eclipse the 10000 yrd mark. And i bet you Matt Cassel would much rather have TJ than Charles protecting his blind side. Jones is known for his superior pass protection, and with a suspect OFF-line who would you want protecting your francise QB. So now why would you be so concerned about about TJ starting over Charles> Would you please explain this to me.

joe you forgot to mention how big tj's muscles are!

Joe. No personal attacks here. If you don't agree with someone's opionion, debate them in a respectful manner. Calling someone an idiot because you do not agree with their opinion is not welcome here. We welcom eall opinions because we are all Chiefs fans. But be good or be gone.

Joe, this is a blog that is designed to discuss the coaches' decisions as well as other things Chiefs. If you want the "coaches to coach" then a blog isn't exactly where you should be poking around. It's not a coincidence that the Jets were the one of the best rushing teams in the NFL. They had a rookie QB so they ran the ball more to protect him, they have a great offensive line, and TJ is/(was?) a good running back. TJ is good and will factor into helping this team out this year. However he is turning 32 in two days and is certainly not our future. It is amazing how much running backs drop off after 30. He has delayed the inevitable for two years so far, but he won't be doing it for long. We need to please Charles because he is our rusher now and for the future. If we don't watch out, he will want out. If we piss off TJ and he wants out.....it doesn't matter.

Big Matt, you got this one all wrong buddy. You're taking this way too personal! Chill back and let the season play out. Keep in mind that we are trying to be stealthy these days. I'm for doing anything and everything to get ahead. Why is it so important that Charles is on the field for the first play of the game? It's not. In fact, it kind of keeps them guessing which is a good thing. Your heart is in the right place but your head is not. GO CHIEFS.

keeps who guessing? i think it IS important for charles to start every game in the preseason, even if he is taken out after the first series. the argument has been made in this comment section that we want to "see what we got" or whatever. how are we going to see what we got when we go three-and-out on our first series?

Carl Jung Guns 2, I'm actually doing my best to completely take the personal side out of it. On a personal level, I like Todd Haley and want to believe in him. I was totally in the tank for him that whole first year. Any Big Matt's Chiefs Chat readers can confirm this. I've written probably four times as many words in defense of him as attacking him since he was hired. But objectively, this training camp looks A LOT like the last one. Based on what I'm seeing now, I think its likely that Haley wants to use Thomas Jones as much as, if not more than Jamaal Charles. Thats a mistake, and what worse, its a mistake Haley already made last year. My entire belief in Haley was based on the fact that I thought he'd learned from his mistakes. That belief has been eroded somewhat by the way he has handled both the running backs and the inside linebackers. It looks to me like history repeating itself. It isn't personal. I'm trying to evaluate Haley impersonally, and the initial results haven't been pretty.

Right on again, sir!

Thanks for the comments guys. Figured I'd do a blanket response here. First of all, the idea that the Chiefs need to "see what they have" in the 31-year-old Jones is absurd. Everyone in the NFL knows exactly who Thomas Jones is and what he can do. And do you guys seriously believe he's going to "learn the playbook" or "fit into the system" any better because his carries come in the first quarter instead of the second? No way. Thomas Jones started for one of 2 reasons. Either: A) Haley is trying to send a message or B) Haley actually thinks Jones is better than Charles I honestly don't know which one it is. The former would be more in character, but I wouldn't rule the latter out. Haley thought LJ was better than Charles. Is it so hard to believe he thinks TJ is too? Until Jamaal Charles is actually in that starting lineup, I'm gonna be worried. Paddy is right, it isn't time to panic yet. But its defnitely time to raise the eyebrows. And if Thom Jones is starting in week one, I'm gona go ahead and panic.

1) It was about seeing what he has with this offensive line. He's been behind the best in the NFL for a few years, time to see how much was them and how much was him. 2) I don't care if KC Wolf starts at running back as long as we win games. 3) I think there may be an element that is being overlooked. While we feel that Charles has earned the starting spot, does he think so? One might argue he could feel like he was the starter by default because LJ screwed up. In this way, he is presented a situation to go head to head against a proven veteran and to take the job from him. Not only will that drive Charles to be his absolute best but, it will also make him feel that he earned that starting job.

I like Thomas Jones. He is a great pick up, and in a RB by comittee it does not matter who starts. We need Jones for the goal line and to wear down the big boys in the beggingin of the game. Haley is just trying to save the enevitable wear and tear on his new small toy Charles.

If it doesn't matter who starts, then why not give Charles the start and bench him after the first play. The truth of the matter is having your name as the starter, whether it be preseason or a season game, matters to the players and it definitely sends a message. It may not matter in the W or L column or to us fans, but it does matter to the players. Do you really think Todd Haley was sitting there deciding the starting line-up saying "it doesn't matter so I will go with Thomas Jones because JC is more injury prone due to his size"? It was a calculated move for whatever reason and I just wish I knew why. I have yet to hear a valid reason as to why Jones would be listed as the started. Learn the playbook? You don't do that on the first play. You can play him more than JC for experience but you don't have to start him. JC is more injury prone? If that is the case then why would you run him more throughout the game. Wouldn't the injury risk also get higher behind our second team O-Line?

I propose we call this by its true name: LJ redux. Pioli and Haley appear to want force upon this team the same type of rushing offense that LJ once-upon-a-time excelled in. There is however one tiny problem with such an approach - the Chiefs don't possess the type of supporting cast needed to pull that off (e.g., the likes of a road-grading OL, T-Rich, Jason Dunn, plus a cadre of pretty good receivers to keep the secondary out of the box). The fact that Haley/Pioli chronically stuck with LJ as the (non-factor) starter until they were forced to get rid of him, and now are apparently showing a preference for the exact same core type of rushing attack, namely Jones over Charles, highly suggests that Haley/Pioli are yet again too arrogant and too stubborn to acknowledge any need for changing the plan even when "the plan" is failing horribly when to producing the intended result. It.is.just.insane.

They gave Jones 2 carries. 2. I know that he got a stinger or whatever but Charles had 6 touches. 4 runs and 2 passes and all of those plays were specifically designed for Charles. Just because they didn't use him first doesn't mean they aren;t going to use him.

Just have to wait and see I guess. The only thing we really have to go off is history and applying it to present context. I hope I'm wrong.

I agree with you that sticking with LJ was by far, the biggest mistake they made last year. It was clear to everyone that he was washed up and that the line couldn't help him, yet they kept running him anyway.

Hasit occured to anyone that 1. Charles needs to learn the offensive system. Which Charles already knows. 2. To rest Charles and keep his wear and tear down for the season, not waaste him in camp. 3. See just what Jones has left in the tank, and to show some of the younger guys how to prepare. 4 Jones will during the season be out short yardage back. 5 Charles and McCluster will see all the long field yardage, Jones will be the thumper and eat up clock at the end of the game. He is our Martyball back. WHO WON"T FUMBLE

Mark, all those things have occured to me. 1. You don't learn the system on the first play. That would be an argument to play Jones MORE, but not necessarily to start him. 2. See Reason 1 3. You do that through practice and doesn't require him to start. 4. Doesn't make an argument for him to start over JC. 5. Again, see reason 4.

It is kind of a big deal. Its not going to neccesarily make us better if JC starts and TJ comes off the bench if their playing time is right, but it sends a bad message to our best player. You have to keep your best players happy. We have recently lost Jared Allen and Tony Gonzo because they were not happy for one reason or another. We should be bending over backwards and treating JC as he should be treated. Thomas Jones has earned nothing yet. I'm not saying this is going to make JC want a trade or hold-out in the near future, but it could be one of multiple contributing factors if Haley isn't careful.

I agree to a point Paddy, only because it is the preseason. But football is a mostly mental game what kind of mindset do your risk putting arguably your best talent in? That's my point and not to speak for Big Matt but I think that's what he was hitting on as well, JC is bar none the best talent on the roster if the right 53 is true does it not make sense that JC earned the start and would not bringing Jones in after JC softened up the d make more sense? I mean this is just my humble followed the team since I grew up in the city since I was 9 and now two decades later thoughts? Paddy please help me see the bigger picture LOL!

I agree with Paddy. They know how Charles runs with our O-line, they don't know how Jones runs with our O-line. Preseason is about figuring out how the players work together as well as evaluating talent. They already know those things about Charles, not for Jones.

Big Matt I hear I was screaming at todd haley as soon as JC came in. He did look a bit rusty but why in some football god's name was Thomas Jones starting at all? Althought I would not say that Haley doesnt learn, just yet the Studebaker was playing more and they slid varbel inside about time! So I am just a perplexed by this whole Thomas Jones starting as you are I am so sick of coaches sticking to people they are comfortable with!

It isn't crazy that Haley started Thomas Jones on Friday. The Chiefs know what they have in Charles. It makes sense that they would want to see what Jones can do behind their line right out of the gate. The Chiefs are going to run the football a lot. They need to used the preseason to figure out who runs best in what situations. It doesn't matter who takes the first handoff in the first preseason game. Thomas Jones had two touches. I know he left with an injury but they used Jamaal PLENTY. Both backs are capable of doing very well. I wouldn't hit the panic button just yet.

Nice article Big Matt, but your stressing out over nothing. We need to get Jones accustomed to his new team, and O-line. He had a good one in NY, not so much here, yet.
Oh, and Haley knows what he has in Charles, so does the NFL. Don't believe the media hype. Haley is as excited as anyone to have Charles running the ball. He's saving him for when it counts.

KC kept Charles on the bench for 8 games last year for two reasons:

1. The season was a "rebuilding" one, so why not keep the young guys legs fresh and keep your franchise RB longer.

2. They had planned on dumping Larry, but thought if he might do something on the field they could get a pick for him. Don't blame them b/c it didn't work.

Enjoying this thread.

Jamaal is where it's at. But after giving Jones $6 mil over the next two years surely Pioli will send him home in a body bag. Especially if the Chiefs start losing games. In any case, I don't care if Jones takes the first snap as long as everything is being done with Charles in mind. He's the game-changer, Jones the role player.

I guarantee anyone in a tizzy about this that barring injury, Jamaal will have at least 1.4 times more carries this season than Jones, in other words at least an approximate 60-40 split. Haley is many things, but dumb ain't one of them. Quite the opposite. He's one of the sharpest Head Coaches I've seen, certainly the sharpest around here since Marty. He saw how much more effective our Offense and offensive line is running wide than up the gut. He commented many times how Charles energized the offense and the more they gave him, the better he got. Charles is coming off serious shoulder surgery. He's being eased back in, but EVERYONE, from Haley on down, realizes who the feature back on this team is. I'm amazed that some fans don't seem to realize it, because Todd Haley sure does. He's not going to come out and say it in bold print, because his mantra is everyone is always competing, and he's always partial to established vets in designations of depth charts and things like that, but take it to the bank the distribution of carries will be at least 60-40 Jamaal.

Well put! No one could see what we see Jamall do and not know he's something special. I guess if Haley can fools some fans, maybe he'll fool some DC's. I doubt it.

Sorry gentlemen, but thomas is a 225 pound beast, I do understand that he Charles is the future, but that is my point, charles obviously wasnt able to win the job, he was listed as number 1 on the depth charts goin into camp. Coach Haley has made the decision that at this point TJ is the started, and after all some of the most sucessful teams in the league have a 2 back set andd in this league you must earn the top spot. I my self know Thomas Jones personally, he grew up about 20 miles from my home, his parents are hard working people and have instilled values in thomas that are not so common in this league today. Thomas is in the best shape of his career, he has never had a major injury, he is durable and un like charles like i mentioned before, Only LT has ran for more yards than TJ in the last5 seasons. Charles is he survives the punishment and is able to continue to devlelop, then he will make a great back, Unfortunatly a little over a half a season doesnt make a career, exspecially at the postition of rb. Charles is small in NFL standards, but is young and given time can develop into a majur force. but right now i would want the veteran who has been ther to protect my QB, You guys are thinking with your emotions, making Charles the starter is goin to fix all the Chiefs problems, and in all fareness TJ wont be able to fix is , but I think he will be able to stand up to the punishment, and be a much better pass blocker for Cassell. That will also allow Charles to come in and break the big one, You guys think about, PS I apologizefor insulting anyone on this blogwk4z

That's funny...Charles wasn't able to win the starting job. Tied for 11 in the NFL last year, starting only 8 games. We'll see who's #1 when the season starts. Jones was brought in and will contribute, but Charles is man! I just hope opposing defenses can't stop either one. I don't care who carries the ball over the goal line, just so it happens often.

This to put it mildly, simply amazing! Jamaal Charles has entered his contract year. If the Chiefs feel that he is the future of the offense, they are mortgaging that future with stupidity that will run him out of town. Then they will be stuck with a 170 pound running back and a large contract on an aging dinosaur. By that time, Haley will be adding to the nations high unemployment rate! Oh well!!

first of all, what kind of idiot are you. Thomas Jones is second only to Lt in yards over the last 5 seasons, true Jamal Charles is younger, but he is far less experienced than Tj. The jets will be missing TJ this year, and it was not a coindence that the jets were the number one rushing team, and largely led by TJ. The bears after the 2007 season decided to go in a different direction, We have seen how thats worked out for them. Thomas Jones is a proven running back, and Charles has had 1 half of a season, I got a idea lets let the coaches coach, and and if and when Charles is ready to be the starter, then so be it. But for now dont be blind Jones is coming off one of his best years as a pro, and know one will out work TJ, just read the team reports. And at the end of the year if the Chiefs are successful it will have something to do with Thomas Jones, not Jamal Charles, Every were Thomas has went he's has helped the team turn things around, and he is one of very few active Rb that may eclipse the 10000 yrd mark. And i bet you Matt Cassel would much rather have TJ than Charles protecting his blind side. Jones is known for his superior pass protection, and with a suspect OFF-line who would you want protecting your francise QB. So now why would you be so concerned about about TJ starting over Charles> Would you please explain this to me.

joe you forgot to mention how big tj's muscles are!

Joe.

No personal attacks here. If you don't agree with someone's opionion, debate them in a respectful manner. Calling someone an idiot because you do not agree with their opinion is not welcome here.

We welcom eall opinions because we are all Chiefs fans.

But be good or be gone.

Joe, this is a blog that is designed to discuss the coaches' decisions as well as other things Chiefs. If you want the "coaches to coach" then a blog isn't exactly where you should be poking around.

It's not a coincidence that the Jets were the one of the best rushing teams in the NFL. They had a rookie QB so they ran the ball more to protect him, they have a great offensive line, and TJ is/(was?) a good running back.

TJ is good and will factor into helping this team out this year. However he is turning 32 in two days and is certainly not our future. It is amazing how much running backs drop off after 30. He has delayed the inevitable for two years so far, but he won't be doing it for long. We need to please Charles because he is our rusher now and for the future. If we don't watch out, he will want out. If we piss off TJ and he wants out.....it doesn't matter.

Big Matt, you got this one all wrong buddy. You're taking this way too personal! Chill back and let the season play out. Keep in mind that we are trying to be stealthy these days. I'm for doing anything and everything to get ahead. Why is it so important that Charles is on the field for the first play of the game? It's not. In fact, it kind of keeps them guessing which is a good thing. Your heart is in the right place but your head is not. GO CHIEFS.

keeps who guessing? i think it IS important for charles to start every game in the preseason, even if he is taken out after the first series. the argument has been made in this comment section that we want to "see what we got" or whatever. how are we going to see what we got when we go three-and-out on our first series?

Carl Jung Guns 2,

I'm actually doing my best to completely take the personal side out of it. On a personal level, I like Todd Haley and want to believe in him. I was totally in the tank for him that whole first year. Any Big Matt's Chiefs Chat readers can confirm this. I've written probably four times as many words in defense of him as attacking him since he was hired.

But objectively, this training camp looks A LOT like the last one. Based on what I'm seeing now, I think its likely that Haley wants to use Thomas Jones as much as, if not more than Jamaal Charles. Thats a mistake, and what worse, its a mistake Haley already made last year. My entire belief in Haley was based on the fact that I thought he'd learned from his mistakes. That belief has been eroded somewhat by the way he has handled both the running backs and the inside linebackers. It looks to me like history repeating itself.

It isn't personal. I'm trying to evaluate Haley impersonally, and the initial results haven't been pretty.

Right on again, sir!

Thanks for the comments guys. Figured I'd do a blanket response here.

First of all, the idea that the Chiefs need to "see what they have" in the 31-year-old Jones is absurd. Everyone in the NFL knows exactly who Thomas Jones is and what he can do. And do you guys seriously believe he's going to "learn the playbook" or "fit into the system" any better because his carries come in the first quarter instead of the second? No way.

Thomas Jones started for one of 2 reasons. Either:

A) Haley is trying to send a message

or

B) Haley actually thinks Jones is better than Charles

I honestly don't know which one it is. The former would be more in character, but I wouldn't rule the latter out. Haley thought LJ was better than Charles. Is it so hard to believe he thinks TJ is too?

Until Jamaal Charles is actually in that starting lineup, I'm gonna be worried. Paddy is right, it isn't time to panic yet. But its defnitely time to raise the eyebrows. And if Thom Jones is starting in week one, I'm gona go ahead and panic.

1) It was about seeing what he has with this offensive line. He's been behind the best in the NFL for a few years, time to see how much was them and how much was him.

2) I don't care if KC Wolf starts at running back as long as we win games.

3) I think there may be an element that is being overlooked. While we feel that Charles has earned the starting spot, does he think so? One might argue he could feel like he was the starter by default because LJ screwed up. In this way, he is presented a situation to go head to head against a proven veteran and to take the job from him. Not only will that drive Charles to be his absolute best but, it will also make him feel that he earned that starting job.

I like Thomas Jones. He is a great pick up, and in a RB by comittee it does not matter who starts.

We need Jones for the goal line and to wear down the big boys in the beggingin of the game. Haley is just trying to save the enevitable wear and tear on his new small toy Charles.

If it doesn't matter who starts, then why not give Charles the start and bench him after the first play. The truth of the matter is having your name as the starter, whether it be preseason or a season game, matters to the players and it definitely sends a message. It may not matter in the W or L column or to us fans, but it does matter to the players.

Do you really think Todd Haley was sitting there deciding the starting line-up saying "it doesn't matter so I will go with Thomas Jones because JC is more injury prone due to his size"? It was a calculated move for whatever reason and I just wish I knew why. I have yet to hear a valid reason as to why Jones would be listed as the started.

Learn the playbook? You don't do that on the first play. You can play him more than JC for experience but you don't have to start him.
JC is more injury prone? If that is the case then why would you run him more throughout the game. Wouldn't the injury risk also get higher behind our second team O-Line?

I propose we call this by its true name: LJ redux.

Pioli and Haley appear to want force upon this team the same type of rushing offense that LJ once-upon-a-time excelled in. There is however one tiny problem with such an approach - the Chiefs don't possess the type of supporting cast needed to pull that off (e.g., the likes of a road-grading OL, T-Rich, Jason Dunn, plus a cadre of pretty good receivers to keep the secondary out of the box).

The fact that Haley/Pioli chronically stuck with LJ as the (non-factor) starter until they were forced to get rid of him, and now are apparently showing a preference for the exact same core type of rushing attack, namely Jones over Charles, highly suggests that Haley/Pioli are yet again too arrogant and too stubborn to acknowledge any need for changing the plan even when "the plan" is failing horribly when to producing the intended result. It.is.just.insane.