Adam's Draft Apples
I’m not gonna lie–I’m an opinionated cat. Quite often, I’m an opinionated cat who sees things differently than the mainstream crowd. I’ll admit that.
Still, I do have pretty good credentials when it comes being an NFL Draft prognosticator. Yesterday, Zach even urged me to remind everybody of how high I was on Dwayne Bowe last year. And then there were some super sleepers I called correctly while writing for Real Football 365, Kevin Boss for instance. Justin Harrell, who the book is still open on, was my favorite player last year, so I’m not perfect. All I’m saying is that I’m willing to step outside the box and have pretty decent intuition.
All I’m asking, Chiefs fans, is that you just give me a shot here and drop your guard and biases long enough to consider my recommendations.
Here are the players I covet heading into Saturday’s draft, just over 48 hours away:
QB Matt Ryan, B.C.
As you all know, this is my guy. And I know that he’s not most of your guys’ guy. In fact, there’s probably still more support for Dubya among Chiefs fans than there is for Matt Ryan. As Herm Edwards says, that’s OK.
First, I want to tackle this notion that there are more pressing needs than quarterback in the NFL. Ridiculous. Asinine. Bizarre. No offense, but I am just shocked that so many fans have this opinion. It’s like saying the CEO isn’t the most crucial part of a business, or that the head isn’t the most important part of the body. It just makes no sense to me, especially on the heels of three first-round QBs in a row winning it all.
Next, yep, Brodie Croyle. You want a leader and a winner in a QB. I wouldn’t follow Brodie into a USC sorority house. I wouldn’t follow Brodie into Best Buy if it included an unlimited shopping spree. The dude is not a leader. He’s just not. Meanwhile, you see Ryan play and do interviews and you see visions of other great quarterbacks. Manning. Brady. Palmer. He’s got what they’ve got. 32 on the Wonderlic. 27-6 as a starter at B.C. The size and toughness Brodie sorely lacks. He’s got it all. Right now the situation is a little like The Lord of the Rings. Brodie Croyle is nothing more than a steward, folks–we need ourselves a king, and in the worst possible way. All we have now is a part-time, injury-riddled steward.
As for the interceptions I hear about every 1.67 seconds (believe me, I’m annoyed), he played in possibly the most predictable offense in the country and still led his team to become the fourth best passing attack in the NCAA. I think people are overstating his interception issues. I’d rather have an 11-3 QB who’s more INT prone (Ryan) than a 6-6 one (Brohm) who can’t lead his squad to victories.
All I’m asking is for you to give the guy a chance. Or don’t. I could care less. History will be kind to me on this one.
QB Joe Flacco, Delaware
No need for as long of a spiel here, because I think we all like him. He’s big, smart, has a canon arm and swagger for days. Problem is he played against inferior competition in college. Also, I think part of why Chiefs fans like him so much is because they’ve talked themselves into thinking they can get a player as good as Ryan a round later. Yeah, I’m just not sure about that. Regardless, I’m high on Flacco.
QB Josh Johnson, San Diego
If for some reason we are more sold on Brodie than I think we are–and definitely more than we should be–this would be a great option. We could even reach a tad early in round three to make sure we got him. Speed Racer wheels, amazing accuracy (43 TDs, 1 INT), good size (6′3″), 24 on the Wonderlic…I prefer him to the two underachievers, aka Brian Brohm and Chad Henne, big time. Still, J.J. is definitely a project. Think Casey Printers on steroids.
QB Kevin O’Connell, San Diego State
I don’t know much about him, but by Saturday I may actually prefer him to Johnson. He’s still a little under the radar, but the ex-S.D. Stater could wind up being Aztec gold. He’s fast (4.6 40), got hops (31-inch vert) and absolutely torched opponents last season in the Mountain West. He’s really starting to rise right now. It might be too late, though, and we could be smart to take advantage and pounce with our third third or our fourth. I don’t know a ton about him, but I’m starting to warm up to the kid.
RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon
He might not end up being quite as explosive or exciting as Darren McFadden, but he very well could end up being this draft’s best pure rusher. If he was there at 17 and there wasn’t anybody left we coveted, I would definitely take a long look at him. Remember how everybody moaned and groaned when we picked L.J. even though we had Priest Holmes? The best-player-available strategy works, folks.
WR James Hardy, Indiana
For the life of me I don’t know why any receiver outside of DeSean Jackson is ranked above this guy. The possibility of getting him at No. 35 is tantalizing to say the least. 6′6″ and he runs a 4.4 40. I don’t ever want to read or hear the words Mario Manningham again.
WR Jordy Nelson, K-State
We’ve already raved, and raved, and raved…and then some about our guy Jordy. The point I want to make here is that with our plethora of picks (13 total, six in the top 82), I would be totally willing for us to trade into round two and snag him. He is the perfect No. 2 WR. Say hello to the next out-of-nowhere guy, a la T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Wes Welker.
OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt
I just want to start singing, “I like the way you move, duh, duh, duh.” Great frame and athleticism, incredible feet. He has the potential to be the very best pass-blocking left tackle in this draft. He seriously could go to the Broncos, too, but I’m reading that they might go with a back. I’m also reading that with Branden Albert moving up, Williams could be there at No. 17. I’d much rather go with a legitimate LT prospect 12 picks later, wouldn’t you? We just can’t be sure that Albert is a LT at this juncture, and you can’t pick a guard in the top five. That’s like winning a sweepstakes for any car you want and picking a Honda Accord. Nice ride, but…yeah…you get it.
OT Sam Baker, USC
As one scout said, he’s a ten-year starter at right tackle. In the late first or early second I will take that with no hesitation whatsoever. If he had been more healthy last year he would have been a top-20 pick. The kid’s got great instincts, the kind of feel for the game that you can’t teach.
DE Quentin Groves, Auburn
Saw this monster absolutely obliterate my Wildcats last year. Plus, his measurables are not far off from Vernon Gholsten’s. Blazing 4.53 40. 30 reps of 225. 30-inch hops. Oh yeah, what about his heart? Well, that was an outpatient procedure that didn’t even cause him to stop working out for teams. I understand that it’s a heart issue, and that’s scary. But as someone who grew up the son of a heart doc, I assure you that this (WPW syndrome, which is almost always cured with a minor preliminary operation) doesn’t appear to even really be an issue. The only reference to heart we should be making when it comes to Groves is how much heart he plays with. Because of the operation we might be able to get a top-ten player with the No. 35 overall pick. I like him every bit as much as Chris Long. Seriously.
CB Antoine Cason, Arizona
4.4 40. Four-year all-conference guy in the Pac-10. He’s got decent size. He’s perfect for the Cover 2 scheme. If he somehow slips into round three, which is possible, he’d be a steal. I have no clue why he’s slipping so much. Really, I don’t.
CB Chevis Jackson, LSU
As you know, he’s been one of my boys for some time. He’s pretty big, and while not the fastest corner out there, he’s a sticky coverage guy–you can’t shake him. He has great intuition and instincts. He’s really the prototypical Herm corner, and he’ll be there in round three. We should do ourselves a favor and take him at that spot, especially with three thirds.
FS Ron Girault, Fresno State
Started 40 games. Ran a 4.46 40. 40-inch hops. Benched 225 25 times. He wasn’t invited to the Combine, so he’s not a name commodity right now, but he’ll be one of the best safeties in a weak class. He can be had in the late rounds and would be a great insurance policy to Jarrad Page, who I’ve soured on a bit. The biggest drawback is that he’s only 5′9″.
Let us know your “Draft Apples,” Chiefs fans!
Im hoping Aqib slides because of the ua’s in college (what a joke) and we can get him with our 2nd round pick and that that nebraska o-line fall for his arrest for being at a party (he was of age remind you)
April 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pmAdam,
The only thing he doesn’t have is an impressive completion percentage in college, which he compounds by also being interception-prone, while playing in arguably the weakest BCS conference. I’d posit that those characteristics are a lot more important to determining Ryan’s potential than how he does in a news conference or whether you could see him playing the role of Aragorn. He’s a little too reminiscent of Gino Torretta in my opinion…great stats against weak competition, but didn’t do so hot when he had to play good teams. Wonder what Gino’s doing these days. I’d just as soon go for Brian Brohm.
Oh well…hopefully the Falcons will jump on him at #3 and render this a moot discussion.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm-Porter, experts have been tossing Talib down to the early 2nd round. I wouldnt mind snagging him there. I would happy with 1 of 4 of these guys to pick; OT Sam Baker, CB Brandon Flowers (probably wont be there), CB Aqib Talib, or (even) WR Mario Manningham. -UCrawford, THATS what IM saying. Hopefully ATL takes the kid and all we’d have here is an irrelevant arguement. . . Not to mention a HUGE chance at Chris Long or Glenn Dorsey.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:16 pmAs for Sam Baker…
Who’d he go up against this year who was that good? The best ends and linebackers in the PAC-10 this year were playing for USC. The only guy of note he went up against who’s ranked in the top 150 draft picks was #82, Bruce Davis (an undersized defensive end who’s listed as a linebacker for the draft). Most of the rest of the All-Pac-10 1st and 2nd team players who would have gone up against him were seniors that apparently aren’t on anyone’s radar at the NFL level.
He might be good or he might not, but there was a good reason he dropped…he wasn’t dominant while playing against sub-par competition.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pmAdam. . . . You . . . . wouldnt follow Brodie into Best Buy if it included an unlimited shopping spree?? Shit. I WOULD. . . Id follow freakin’ Luke McCown if it came with that offer.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:20 pmRoc,
I was just making a point on Croyle and Best Buy. And I know why you like that bum Mario Manningham. Figured it out–you are a Michigan fan! Nobody else would want him or Henne.
UCrawford,
You’ll get nowhere with me just tossing out something like I’d rather take Brohm. Not high on the kid, but agree to disagree. On Baker, too, I guess.
Porter Park,
Yeah, Carl Nicks. Why not?
April 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pmRoc,
I don’t see Chris Long slipping past Oakland, regardless of what the “experts” at ESPN say. The kid’s a Raiders legacy, he fits a need for the Raiders, we want him, and (most importantly) the Raiders already have Justin Fargas under contract so McFadden (the popular pick for them) is basically an overpaid spare on a team with a lot of bad contracts. I can’t see them taking McFadden and passing up Howie Long’s kid…and particularly not when the team who’s going to take Long is your arch-rival so you’ll get to watch Howie’s kid beat up on your team twice a year (with Howie possibly rooting for the Chiefs). I don’t think it’s possible that Al Davis has gone that senile…he wants to win this year and Chris Long represents the best bet to help him do that.
If I’m wrong, however, I’ll be ecstatic.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:25 pmAdam,
Brian Brohm’s completion percentage has never dipped below 63.4%…completion percentage is the best indicator of whether a QB will be successful at the next level and the numbers Brohm has put up Peyton Manning territory (although he certainly doesn’t have Peyton’s arm). And he’s maintained that level of excellence even after changing coaches. His TD/INT ratio is also far superior to Matt Ryan’s, indicating that he’s much better-suited QB for the Chiefs than Ryan will be because he takes care of the ball.
But don’t take my word for it…check out Brohm and Ryan’s splits this year. They played comparable schedules and Brohm far outperformed Ryan…particularly in big games.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36481#stats
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=1102
April 24th, 2008 at 2:39 pmRoc,
I don’t think we’re going to get Dorsey either (I think the Rams will snag him). But if we can’t get Long or Dorsey I’ll be very happy with Sedrick Ellis. That kid’s a bull, and he was the driving force behind USC’s defensive line this year.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pmWell, UCrawford. . . THATS the great thing about the draft. You can form your theory, express your opinion, and so on, but NO ONE REALLY KNOWS whats gonna take place, til it ACTUALLY happens.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pmUCrawford,
I don’t think we need to worry about the Raiders taking Chris Long, or taking anybody for that matter. They HAVE to trade out, and that’s my biggest concern is that they’ll steal the trade we want to make. The Raiders are in such a cap mess right now that they cannot possibly sign a top ten draft pick, even if Chris and Howie gave the Raiders a family discount. If somehow they do manage to draft and miraculously sign Chris Long (at which point they’ll have to teach him to play on the O-line too since they won’t be able to afford a 22-man roster), that could mean they took a pass on some better talents and greater positions of need for them. Namely, the hands down best player in this draft, Dorsey.
Adam,
I bet you’d follow Brodie’s wife to the gates of Hell itself (hereafter refered to as Richmond, CA).
April 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pmAnd Adam . . . I got your joke on Brodie and Best Buy. Got It, bud. . . . and Yeah, Im a Michigan fan, but Manninham (in MY opinion) is pretty damn good. Sure, he’s not Braylon Edwards, I Know, But he could be a good #2, oppisite D BOWE.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:59 pmKen,
Actually, I’m more of an October Gonzalez guy
Roc,
Manningham is just too slow. I prefer Hardy or Nelson in that same range.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pmKen,
Actually, I saw an article breaking down the Raiders’ cap. They backloaded all of their contracts so heavily this year that they’re able to sign their top pick and have a little cap room left. Next year they’re screwed, though (which is why Javon Walker’s probably only there for one year).
I can’t find a link to that article, though…sorry.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pmRoc,
All I know is that if we keep the pick we’re going to have a shot at somebody really good who can help us.
Unless we pick Matt Ryan, in which case we’re screwed.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pmAdam,
I should also clarify my earlier remark because I forgot to add a qualifier…I’d rather have Brian Brohm if he’s available with our second round pick. I don’t think any of the QBs in this draft are worth the number 5 pick.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:27 pmWhitlock on Ryan:
April 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pmhttp://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=86938BD6A39723B4F4364308C0BA2243?id=09000d5d807f0597&template=with-video&confirm=true
Carucci on the Chiefs controlling the draft.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:35 pmHey, is this site still gonna have the online posts thingy at draft time??????????
April 24th, 2008 at 3:44 pm…the thing you tested out a month ago
April 24th, 2008 at 3:44 pmThe live blog chat? Yes.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:47 pmUCrawford, I totally agree. We need to stay at 5. JUST IN CASE we have a shot at Chris Long. I LOVE Sedrick Ellis, I kinda wanna to see if Gholston would become a star as a Chief, and Im curious to see what our team would look like on Offense with LJ, D BO, Gonzo, and Run DMC. OH the possibilities!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:59 pmCause, I WOULDNT cancel out drafting DMC. Adam may have my with this one, cause DMC could be a huge part of our rebuilding process and eventual starter, he can be a game changing backup, a great return man, Chan Gailey probably loves the kid, and may we not forget. . . . . having Priest and drafting LJ!
April 24th, 2008 at 4:04 pmAdam may have my BACK on this one. . . . sorry.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm2010…2010 is the number we should all be looking at. Forget the 08 and 09 season. Thats all rebuilding, especially in the wake of the JA trade.
Know this, even with the 13 picks we have, we WILL HAVE HOLES NEXT SEASON. Thats guaranteed.
Now in light of that, let me lay this scinereo on you.
Jake Long, Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden GONE.
Sedric Ellis, Vernon Gholston LEFT.
1st round (Sedrick Ellis)(OT)(7th pick) We trade down with the patriots for their 3rd and 4th pick so that they can bounce Vernon Gholston over the Jets. We take Ellis for less money and a few picks. Jets take Leodis McKlevin.
1st round (Brian Brohm)(QB)(17th pick) Williams, Clady and Otah are “gone baby gone!” That leaves Charillus. Lets take the “best QB in the draft” “right here, right now”. Clark wants a franchise quarterback. Herm interviewed this guy gruelingly. And remember, 2010. We pull a Brady Quinn/Jamarcus Russlle on BB. We start Brodie Croyle all 2008 season (find out if he is an Anderson or a Klinger). If 2008 tanks…and “come on” “you know it will”, we finish 4-12 again, Carl Peterson is “gone baby gone!:D” and we take Oher as 1st pick OT in 08.
1st round (Aquib Talib)(CB)(28th pick) we burn our top 3 3rd rounders (remeber we have a fourth 3rd rounder from the pats) and we burn our second 5th rounder to trade up with the Cowboys second 1st. Thats 701 trade points for 660 trade points. Would they bite? who knows.
2nd round (Sam Baker/Carl Nicks)(OT)(35th pick) best OT available
3rd round (Darrell Robertson)(DE)(94th pick)(Pats)
4th round (Eddie Royal)(WR/PR)(105th pick)
4th round (Harry Douglas)(WR)(129th pick)(Pats)
5th round (John Sullivan)(C)(136th pick)
6th(x2) and 7th(x2)…in Herm, I trust.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:12 pm. . . . . . . . . . . WHAT!!!!????
April 24th, 2008 at 4:22 pmBelieve it baby! BTW…Ellis (DT) not (OT)…typo.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:29 pmI’m confused. And don’t get me wrong here, I’m not sold on Croyle by any means, but I could have swore all I heard last year was how much of a leader Croyle was? By the current and former coaches, and the likes of Tony G. and Brian Waters. How all of a sudden is he not a leader? I know they lost every game, but Jesus would have had trouble winning games for us last year.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:32 pm“Mr. Whitlock, is not true that you thought even more highly of Jeff George? . . . . . . No further questions your honor.”
My non-lineman favs/sleepers that I’d be happy to see in River Falls come August:
Owen Schmitt
James Hardy
DeSean Jackson
Dexter Jackson
Chevis Jackson (is it just me or does it seems like every other guy in this draft is named Jackson?)
Early Doucet
Eddie Royal
Donnie Avery
Harry Douglas
Jordy Nelson
Antoine Cason
Aqib Talib
Reggie Smith (bad combine, etc might make him a steal depending on where he falls)
Peyton Hillis
Dennis Dixon
Calais Campbell
Jacob Tamme
As you may have noticed, I’m pretty big on cornerbacks and fast receivers that can also return the ball. I maintain that last year’s special teams (and resulting field position – or should I say lack thereof?) were every bit as big as problem as the lack of an offensive line.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:34 pmA leader suits up and plays every Sunday. Favre. Elway. Manning. Brady.
Matt Ryan played with a broken bone in his foot! Only missed one game.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:35 pmI dont know what this guy pointing out, but. . . . . Adam, I am ALL about drafting Chevis Jackson with our 1st 3rd round pick. The kid is lanky and like you said “hard to shake”. Easier to stand up to guys like Moss, Walker, Marshall, Chambers, and other WRs we got on our hands this season.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:38 pmSo because Croyle missed some completely irrelevant games he’s not a winner despite what veteran players who were in the huddle with him say?
April 24th, 2008 at 4:45 pmBetween Chris Long and Sedric Ellis. I know you can find a freak DE later in the draft. Jared Allen proves it. But, how often are freak DT’s found oustide the top 10 of the draft? I just don’t know? Can you guys lay some wisdom on me there?
April 24th, 2008 at 4:46 pmBrodie Croyle missed a lot of games in college, too. C’mon, man. Defending Brodie is like defending Dubya at this point.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:52 pmMaster,
Groves and Lawrence Jackson will be there in round two, at least one of them. Very good players.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:56 pmI’m not really defending Brodie. I’m only defending the idea that he’s not a leader.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:59 pmCrap, I put a bunch of stuff on another post to refute this, BRB.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pmAnd Bush is the best president since William H. Harrison.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pmFair enough. He could turn into a leader, but nobody outside of the organization at least is buying that yet. I definitely am not. The guy couldn’t beat out Huard when the job was handed to him. I mean…
April 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pmI thought he was the best since Hoover.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pmdam, if Ryan is the next Eli, Payton, Brady, as you are so boldy suggesting, any team that needs a QB should be all over him, no matter the cost. You are now like the Chiefs of 2002 drafting Ryan Sims. There are question marks, and teams have passed him by, but you want him because you’ve been able to talk yourself out of the questions. Most everyone on this site is saying no, for various reasons, but your completely sold. We’ve all given you reasons, the most compelling in my mind is that he will be ruined like David Carr if we don’t address the O-line first. He may be worth a high pick to a team like Atlanta who desperately needs a new face, or Baltimore who is a decent team with nothing at QB, but for the Chiefs with so many holes, he is a luxury pick, and with all our holes we don’t get luxury picks. We have a QB who the chiefs (you know, the guys who have actually been coaching him) believe can do the job. So give him a year and worse case scenario, we get the best QB in next years draft.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:03 pmHere’s a list of guys who’ve had seasons as bad as Croyle, or shitball, I believe you called him in another post, and remember, he’s only in his first year as a starter.
Passer rating isn’t everything by any means, but I think its a good indicator of whether a guy helps his team or hurts it, Brodie’s was 69.9
Matt Hasselbeck 1st year 70.9
Peyton Manning 1st year 71.2 Rating
Brett Farve 3rd and 15th year 72.2 and 70.9 Rating
Donovan McNabb 1st year 60.1 Rating
And the most fun of all…
Eli Manning 1st year 55.4 and the Super Bowl winning season 73.9
So, if Brodie can up his passer rating a mere 4 points this season, he could be considered by many to be the next Eli Manning!!! Maybe even a Super Bowl Contender.
Obviously Manning played much better in the playoffs and near the end of the season, but thats with three full years starting under his belt. Croyle hasn’t done anything yet, but all the guys who decided Manning, Manning, Hasselbeck, Farve, and McNabb were “shitballs” are probably pretty happy their teams gave them a second shot.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:04 pmNo, Adam, I believe you’re confusing that with the fact that he sucks LIKE a Hoover.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:06 pmOne last point. I don’t think anyone here has said that QB isn’t the most pressing need on a team. What we are saying is that we are patient enough to see if Brodie fills that need. So in effect, QB is not the Chiefs most pressing need. You have no reason to condemn Brodie other than he had a rough season, and as you can see above, so many superstars have had equal or lesser seasons.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:07 pmI LOVE THE DRAFT!!!!!!
April 24th, 2008 at 5:07 pmJay,
I love my fellow Chiefs fans and both and respect and value their opinions, but the scouts and the experts are extremely high on Ryan, so I think I’m going to roll with them. They have much better access than us, myself included. No offense. Comparing him to Sims is absolutely insane. Teams probably won’t pass him by, as the Rams have a QB and the Falcons will likely take him or trade to a team that will. We can address O-line at 17 and maybe even 35. The first hole that always needs to be addressed is QB. With the way the game has changed in the past five years you cannot win without the right QB.
As for waiting until next year, we’re putting off the inevitable and setting back our rebuilding effort. Brodie Croyle is not the answer, man. Please, people, just trust me on this one.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:08 pmWhat is the biggest reason I condemn Brodie?
Because he cannot stay healthy! History proves that.
The other reason is that he couldn’t beat out Damon Huard when the job was handed to him. You cannot convince me to believe in the kid.
Yes, give him a shot, but you better have a helluva back-up plan for when he goes down to injury, or plays poorly.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pmAdam,
A leader completes a high percentage of passes and doesn’t turn the ball over. Elway, Manning and Brady didn’t/don’t turn the ball over. Favre…well, let’s just say that I think there’s a reason he only won one Super Bowl. And Matt Ryan’s no Brett Favre.
MasterBlaster,
Between Chris Long and Sedrick Ellis, I’d be torn too. On the one hand, I think Long’s about as sure a thing as you’re going to find at defensive end, he’s got a great pedigree and it would piss the Raiders faithful off absolutely no end. But I agree with you about finding that impact DT…they don’t come around all that often, particularly not two in the same draft. The way I look at it, though, is I’ll be jumping for joy if we get either guy.
If we get Ryan, I’ll probably quit watching the draft and go mow the lawn because I just can’t watch Carl fail to overcome his own stupidity for yet another year.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:12 pmMark Schlereth just compared Matty Ice to the Mannings and Brady, saying that he is the exact type of prototypical pocket passer that is excelling right now. I think I have a new nickname for Matty…
THE THIRD MANNING!
Screw Cooper
April 24th, 2008 at 5:16 pmAdam,
I will agree with you, however, that Brodie Croyle probably isn’t going to develop into a good starter for us or anyone else. His numbers in college weren’t particularly great, he is (as you’ve said) injury-prone, and he couldn’t even beat out an extremely banged-up and ineffective Damon Huard last year.
I think he is what he is…a nice enough guy with an hot wife who, because he’s got a good arm, will probably jump around the league for a bit as a backup (3rd string) if he’s lucky.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:17 pmBy the way, surfing Jets chat rooms I heard that the Jets may trade us Chad Pennington to swap places. What does everybody think about that?
April 24th, 2008 at 5:17 pmWhy should we trust you on Brodie? You keep saying he sucks, but don’t back it up much. As for scouts, its funny that you are using my argument against me. Chiefs scouts and more importantly coaches seem to be fine with Croyle, but you don’t defer to them on that. Now, if it comes out that the Chiefs have been blowing smoke, I’ll concede. But until we see evidence of that, I’ll have to disagree. Ryan is probably a fine QB, but we don’t need another guy there nearly as badly as we need guys elsewhere.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:19 pmIncidentally, I totally agree on Josh Johnson. I also think Will Franklin will surprise people, he took a back seat to Macklin this year with no complaints and learned to block, but his numbers were great a year ago, and he has the speed and size to be dominant. Hands may be his only issue.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:23 pmJay,
Everybody besides the Chiefs thinks Brodie is worthless, that’s the difference. Fans, scouts, press…And I don’t think the Chiefs have a very good track record when it comes to drafting and developing young quarterbacks. I definitely have a point there.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:24 pmYou know, I really like Johnson, but I think I’m starting to move towards O’Connell. Been hearing fantastic things about him in the past 48.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:26 pmAs for the Helicopter, maybe later on in the draft, sure. Still, I prefer Jordy Nelson. Mel Kiper called him the next Dwight Clark. I’m a Cats fan, but you gotta like the kid.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:27 pmHigh praise, but I don’t think too much of Mel. As for the Chiefs developing young QBs. That isn’t really fair, it isn’t the Chiefs organization, its the coaching. Herm did a fine job with Pennington on developing, can’t help it if he’s an injury waiting to happen. Croyle could be the same way, but given the weird nature of his injuries, I am all for giving him another year. If you went by your development logic, we shouldn’t draft Ryan or any other QB ever because we are doomed to never have a good QB unless its through a trade.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:03 pmI think that Jets fans are spreading b.s. because we’ve already got one old, ineffective, overpaid QB on our roster (Damon Huard)…why would we want to take on a second one so we can move down in the draft? Pennington sucked last year, and he wasn’t great the year before.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:05 pmjay,
The thing about Croyle’s injury history is that it goes all the way back to high school. I’d be happy if the kid could stay healthy because, in all fairness, the injuries may have stunted his development and helped cause those mediocre numbers (so he may have some potential if he can avoid the injury bug for an extended period of time). But the fact of the matter is he hasn’t been able to stay healthy when he’s played and injury histories like that generally don’t just go away.
He’s a slender guy who’ll be playing behind a o-line comprised largely of rookies. It’s not likely to get much easier for him next year. Nothing against the guy, but I’m just not seeing him being our starter once we get another “QB of the future” in.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:09 pmNo, we just haven’t made good decisions drafting QBs, and have avoided drafting a first rounder for 15 years, Jay.
Herm is about to come on NFL Live, everybody.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:10 pmjay,
Of course, I favor taking Brian Brohm in the second round (if he’s available then) and he’s a little prone to picking up dings too. However, his numbers indicate that it hasn’t stunted his development at all.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pmI actually like three kids from the state of Oregon as steals in the draft.
Roy Schuening – Top three guard prospect that most mocks have falling past the Chiefs in the third round. He’s massive and helped the Beavers be the top rushing team in the nation two years ago. A beast that the Chiefs need to have.
Dennis Dixon – Unlimited upside, should be available in the fourth round, who knows where he would have gone if he hadn’t torn his ACL. The injury is worrying, but let Brodie take his licks this year and see if he develops or not and if he doesn’t we have the next coming of Vince Young on the roster.
Cameron Colvin – Both SI and ESPN have done tear jerker stories on the guy in the last couple of weeks, with both stating that he likely won’t even be drafted due to his injuries in college. He has all the tools (was the 2nd rated WR in his recruiting class) but has been limited. Burn a 7th rounder on him and see what happens. At worst he gets cut. No big loss.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:13 pm“Everybody is playing poker right now. Don’t believe anybody.” – Herm
April 24th, 2008 at 6:14 pmBecause we generally weren’t picking low enough to get the “can’t miss” QBs in the draft. There’s nothing wrong with taking a QB outside of the first round (as Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Dave Krieg, and Matt Hasselbeck have all demonstrated)…assuming your GM knows what to look for in a QB. Carl Peterson doesn’t. Hell, the mere fact that he likes Matt Ryan is almost enough for me to label the kid an automatic bust. Fortunately we have the Internet to look up his numbers and history so we don’t need to rely on Peterson’s, Schlereth’s, Edwards’, Kiper’s or the Chiefs’ scouts’ opinion to form our own.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:16 pmMcShay says we should go Chris Long and Jeff Otah. Says we may reach for Albert.
Biggest need:
Floyd Reese – Quarterback. Would take Ryan, make it a competition.
Wiley – Defensive end. Go Long.
Schelerth – Offensive line.
Pretty biased answers, really.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:17 pmUC,
Peterson isn’t calling the shots draft-wise any more, just signing off. Herm, Bill and Ray are doing that. And I’ve formed my own opinion by watching Matt Ryan play the game, the scouts and experts just back me up.
Let’s take a break to talk about Joe Flacco. Why in the world would anybody want Brohm or Henne over Flacco?
April 24th, 2008 at 6:20 pmUmmm…Vince Young kind of sucked last year. Nice completion percentage, but I’ll pass on having any QB who throws 9 TDs against 17 INTs. A better argument would be “second coming of Randall Cunningham” or “second coming of Donovan McNabb”. Both those guys were scramblers with a good arm who developed into good passers. Jury’s still very much out on Young.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:21 pmClayton says no on Cowboys moving up to get Run DMC.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:21 pmThe Titans did go to the postseason. To me, that is the most important stat. I hear you, though. But it reminds of the Brohm vs. Ryan argument. Sure, maybe you prefer Brohm’s stats, but with more talent he won five less games. It’s all about winning.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:24 pmTrue, I was actually quoting from an SI article that stated Dixon was a better prospect than Young, but failed to actually elaborate upon that. Sorry for the confusion.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:25 pmFlacco just isn’t a chiefs kinda guy. Brohm is.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:26 pmMasterBlaster, you’re better than that. That was just a lazy, empty response. C’mon. You usually bring it!
April 24th, 2008 at 6:29 pmAdam,
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, right…what are you smoking? Did you watch “Hard Knocks” last year? Edwards (to his credit) wanted to go with youth from the start and Peterson overruled him in front of the viewing audience…a scene the Chiefs could have cut from the show (since they had editing rights) but didn’t because Carl wanted everyone to know who was ruling that football team (not Herm). And you think that it was Edwards who wanted to keep Medlock around when the kid couldn’t hit field goals in practice and cost the Chiefs a pre-season game by screwing up a kickoff? Think again. He was on the roster until the regular season because Peterson didn’t want to admit he screwed up his draft pick…even when it was clear from the start that the kid wasn’t good enough to make it on the roster. Same with the whole Justin Phinnissee/Eddie Drummond debacle. Herm likes young players…you think he wanted a washed-up never-was like Eddie Drummond when Phinnissee outright won the return job in camp?
Regardless of what he says is going on Peterson’s a control freak…pure and simple. And control freaks who’ve been in charge for 19 years don’t generally give up their power, regardless of how bad they are at their job. Peterson may say that Kuharich and Edwards are in charge, but Kuharich is Peterson’s hire, Edwards is Peterson’s hire, they both answer to Peterson, and when Peterson decides he wants a player that’s who they’re going to choose. And since Peterson knows his job is on the line this year, he’s most definitely going to tell them who he wants to choose because control freaks don’t like putting their destiny in other peoples’ hands. We’ve just got to hope that this ends up being one of Peterson’s smart drafts.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:31 pmNow NFL Live is doing a mock. This is great!
April 24th, 2008 at 6:32 pmWhatever, UC. You have some points, but Hali and Bowe have Herm and Kuharich written all over them. He has relinquished some of his control, a lot of it, when it comes to the draft. Does he have final say? Absolutely, man, absolutely. He and Clark do, but he is taking a more reserved role in the draft, and you can clearly see that when you look at the last couple classes. He still makes some picks, i.e. Medlock, but it isn’t like it used to be.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:36 pmNot to take away from the Carl Peterson hatred, but does anyone else have a prospect that might be unknown that they think will be a steal?
April 24th, 2008 at 6:36 pm“Going to the postseason” is not a stat…it’s an accomplishment. Teams accomplish a visit to the postseason by individual players putting up good stats in regards to their area of responsibility on the team, both on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. Last I checked, Matt Ryan didn’t play defense so he (like any other individual player) does not deserve all of the credit.
As for Brohm last year, his team won six games without any kind of defense because he largely carried them on offense (and did a damn good job). Without Brohm, that was a 2 or 3 win team. And, last I checked, Brohm didn’t play defense either, so he wasn’t responsible for the crappy job they did.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:38 pmNFL Live just went…
1. Jake
April 24th, 2008 at 6:38 pm2. Chris
3. Glenn
4. Gholsten…
Did McShay just say Gholsten isn’t athletic? LMAO!!
4.5 40, 37 reps, 40-inch hops…OK
April 24th, 2008 at 6:41 pmI definitely don’t feel like going QB is the smartest choice for us first. I agree with most of you guys that we are the wrong situation to develop a franchise QB. Especially, when we have more options for an immediate impact. Adam, I do agree with you though, I’ve got this gut feeling (which in my career has saved my ass a few times) about Ryan too. Both that we will draft him (which I won’t be sure if I’ll celebrate or regurgitate) and that one day he will be great. I just had this weird epiphany a couple months ago with Matt Ryan as a Kansas City Chief. I know you all have a problem with his picks, but:
att comp % yrds td int rat
T. Brady 711 443 62.3 5351 35 19
D. Marino 1204 693 57.6 8597 79 69 77.7
M. Ryan 1346 806 59.9 9310 56 37 126.2
All 3 College QB Stats
Granted, Brady and Marino didn’t come into a Oline like ours though.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:46 pmThe only thing I see is that Carl Peterson’s not constantly running his mouth about his involvement with the draft (which is smart, considering the hostility towards him and how badly he’s screwed it up over his tenure). As for the last two draft classes, it’s way too early to tell how good or bad they’ll be because most of those guys are unproven. Right now, we’ve got one player who looks like he’ll be very good (Bowe), one who may be very good or may have plateaued (Hali), one “QB of the future” who hasn’t impressed anyone, two players who might turn into good starters (Pollard, Page), two guys who may or may not crack the starting lineup (Tyler, McBride), and a bunch of guys who were bench players for a really bad 4-12 team (including two offensive linemen who couldn’t get regular spots on the worst offensive line in pro football). Four starting players out of two draft classes is not particularly impressive (that’s a 28% success rate in fact) and if no one else cracks the starting lineup regularly and most of those players on the fringe are gone after a year or two, that would make them really bad draft classes.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:49 pm5. Matt Ryan – Floyd Reese
Rebuilding starts at the QB position. Head and shoulders above the other QBs. Closest thing to a franchise QB. May not like it, may not make fans happy. Have to give yourself time and get the process started.
McShay is going nuts, says Long might be better for Chiefs, but can’t take Run DMC.
Schlereth doesn’t like it. Typical hog. Wiley neither. I’ll roll with the ex-GM and Draft expert, and not the players
April 24th, 2008 at 6:52 pmno too pennington (well to get him we only lose 1 spot that MIGHT work) but you say that croyle is injury prone well look at chad also REALLY WEAK ARMED
April 24th, 2008 at 6:56 pmFloyd Reese said he thought about McFadden at 5. Without either of the DEs or Dorsey there, if we don’t want Ryan don’t we have to look at this guy. Run DMC is the one guy that I think can make us a borderline .500 team or slightly better. Granted, that’s assuming we go OT at 17 and get a guard later on.
Mel Kiper: “Matt Ryan is the best pick for the Kansas City Chiefs” given the above-mentioned scenario.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:57 pmJason,
Did I endorse Pennington? No. Just brought it up to start convo.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:58 pmDustin,
Miami’s offense was plenty horrible outside of Dan Marino. The only reason he didn’t get sacked 10-15 times a game was because of that freakishly quick release of his. Just check out the history of the Fins’ running backs during Marino’s time there to see how ineffective they were (especially from 1988 on…most of those primary RBs didn’t crack 4 yards per carry).
http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?season=1996&team=MIA&seasonType=
The Dolphins linemen pretty much owe their careers to Marino.
April 24th, 2008 at 7:04 pmnot saying you did just responding to the question letting you know what i think and he IS injury prone
April 24th, 2008 at 7:06 pmcool, sorry for the mistake… my bad…
April 24th, 2008 at 7:08 pmThen Marino did come into a situation maybe WORSE than ours. At least we got LJ (and bowe and T.G.)
rumors are the saints are shopping jammal brown(probowl lt) to trade up what do you guys think? #10 and brown they say he slipped a little last year
April 24th, 2008 at 7:30 pmhe played RT for them last year so maybe he’d be a good fit?
sorry i was wrong he played RT his ROOKIE season
April 24th, 2008 at 7:31 pmhes 27 played in 43 games last 3 years missed 5 not too bad ?????
April 24th, 2008 at 7:34 pmIck. I’d rather have a one of the defensive linemen in the top five this year and then try to trade up from #17 to get an OT. Buffalo seems like a good trade partner…they want a WR but none are available at that pick without severely reaching. They might go for one of our third-rounders to swap.
April 24th, 2008 at 7:42 pmSure, I’d be interested.
FYI, Floyd Reese just took Otah at 17 with Albert still on the board. Mel grilled him.
April 24th, 2008 at 7:43 pmWe might not have to trade up from 17. Otah and Albert were both there in NFL Live’s Mock, even though Clady went 12 and Williams 14. Personally, I want Williams. Reese said in five years he’ll be the best LT in this class. I definitely think he has the chance to be. The only real knock on him is strength, which will come.
April 24th, 2008 at 7:45 pmI figured Quentin Groves would be one of the big talking points of this thread. What does everybody think?
April 24th, 2008 at 7:51 pmTo be honest, it’s so weird to even think about another defensive end lining up in Jared’s spot. You forgot to mention how Ryan was trying to force plays to overcome his mediocre surrounding cast.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:23 pmhttp://nfldraft.rivals.com/default.asp
#5 Vernon Gholston
April 24th, 2008 at 8:45 pm#17 Jeff Otah
#35 Chad Henne (w/ Joe Flacco going to Ravens @ 38)
i like Gholston and id like to see Williams at 17 but Otah will do but id rather get Flacco than Henne
April 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pmToday on Cowherd’s show on ESPN radio, he had on a rep from Las Vegas Sports Consultants. These are the experts that deal in information, set lines, and know their stuff more than anyone else. This guy enequivocally stated that Brohm is better than Ryan now, and will be a better pro. Adam, I’m afraid you have an irrational man-crush on Ryan. At this point, I think Ryan would be a bigger reach than Clady at #5. There is no possible way that Croyle can be fairly evaluated playing behind the line we had last year. The rush to throw him under the bus just doesn’t make sense. I’ve been trying to find some text from the Cowherd show, but you will probably have to be a paid ESPN insider to hear the podcast. Dude makes people money with sports gambling info, and they have advanced degrees in breaking down and evaluating the data. Man says go Brohm.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:41 pmI still think Colt Brennan might be the best QB of the draft but i digress with that argument. Even though he has the winning record, accuracy, efficiency he had one bad game and an injury so he drops 5 rounds, awesome logic! (Again Brennan doesnt fit in our system anyway, i believe hed beat out brodie but hed excel elsewhere more than in KC)
Anyway while on the topic of Hawaii, WR Bess would be a nice pick up in one of the later rounds if he is there and we dont get someone like Jordy. Hes very very talented, very elusive, only problem i question his work ethic at times.
For Me:
-Obviously we need to get a Tackle with no.5 or no.17 , im hoping Long or Dorsey falls to us at 5 i dont really think we should reach for an olineman there but it has to Albert if we do. Hopefully Otah falls to 17 if not then maybe Williams will or Clady (doubt it)
-As far as RB, we can get Slaton or Hart in the late rounds. Slaton is somewhat a gamble but i love love love hart, i think he will be one of the biggest steals of the draft.
-CB, lots of options here and its one position i have almost 100% confidence in Herm picking the right guy, plus in Cover 2 theres a lot more wiggle room for Corners.
After that its pretty wide open, im honestly not really high on any of the QBs, if anything maybe Flacco or Johnson though ill admit ive seen and know very little about them other than what ive read throughout various scouting sites.
Overall though
If we get a nice lineman 1st round, and get a DT or DE
Get Mike Hart
A Receiver/ and corner
thats an excellent start
Also Adam what you said about HArdy from Indiana, i completely agree, i think he would be a very nice pickup
April 24th, 2008 at 10:02 pmAnother platinum hit…lol…
April 24th, 2008 at 10:37 pmnah… forget Matt Ryan… we give Croyle another year, sign a solid, more mobile backup like Culpepper, then next year if the Brodie Project goes to the crapper and when Derek Anderson proves he’s the man in Cleveland we could maybe trade for Brady Quinn
ok… it’s a stretch… i’m just not sold that Ryan is the best pick there at 5…
April 24th, 2008 at 10:50 pmok… so Culpepper isn’t mobile… but in comparison to Huard… you see where i was going with it…
April 24th, 2008 at 10:52 pmKrans,
I wouldn’t mind seeing us snag Brennan with a really late pick if he’s around. 70% completion percentage two years running (in a system where his predecessor, the NCAA passing yardage leader, only hit 57%)? He’d be a hell of a 6th-7th rounder.
I wouldn’t want to waste a pick higher than 6th round, though, with the baggage that guy carries with him.
April 24th, 2008 at 10:52 pmCrawford,
Yea thats pretty much all im saying. You have to realize prior to the Sugar bowl many ppl though he had a chance of going 1st or 2nd round and almost everyone would agree hed go first day
Im not expert on talent but ive seen him play enough times to be pretty convinced hes a great QB when healthy. I honestly think San Fran will prob grab him in the 5th but we’ll see.
But yea all im pretty much saying is i here the arguments for Ryan and they are sound but hes not the best in a lot of areas. Now i think hes got great potential and hes a smart kid but i just would rather go in another direction.
Anyway Adam has his favorite, i have mine, neither is very popular haha
Anyone else have thoughts on Mike Hart?
I think he would be a really nice nice pick
April 24th, 2008 at 11:29 pmKrans, dont ask me about Mike Hart… According to Adam, Im pretty biased and inclined toward drafting EVERY Michigan player in this years draft. Hahaha! I mean, its true… but not. I mean, granted I wanted Jake Long (but who didnt?), I wouldnt mind having Chad Henne as a sold backup QB, I DO like Mario Manningham at WR, and I’ve always though that Make Hart was quite the player. Now, I think he may be a mid 3rd rounder… if he gets hyped up a little more, he may move up to a late 2nd rounder. MAYBE!… But I like the kid.
And as far as our 1st round goes… I’m totally for Chris Long at 5. Maybe he wont get to 5, fine. But Im pullin’ for it. But as a plan B, I say we snag Sedrick Ellis… At 17, Im pulling for Chris Williams! I definitely see a young Willie Roaf. As a plan B, Id hope that Jeff Otah is there, because granted he’s not the next Willie Roaf, but he IS the best run blocking OT in the draft.
…. My God! Imagine how LJ is gonn feel come Saturday! I think its gonna be almost the equivalent to when Tom Brady woke up on his personal Christmas morning and found all his WR toys to play with.
As far as the New Orleans J.Brown/#10 pick… I WOULD DEFINITELY consider it. I mean then we’d be able to draft a Branden Albert or Chirs Williams for sure at #10 and maybe snag DRC or (if we dont think Turk can cut it) we can draft Phillip Merling at #17…. This would be kinda cool, but I’m a little to high on Ellis/DMC/and Gholston.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:48 amWow ROC, i think i almost completely agree with your entire post lol.
Ive seen a couple mocks that have Hart going 4th round but i definately wouldnt be surprised to see him early third. Like i said i would prob use a 3rd on him and feel very very good at where we are at RB
As for Manningham, i think hes worth a second round pick, i mean sure he ran a slow 40 but its what he does in the game that matters. One of the reasons Bowe was so good for us though is he can block, he really was the perfect fit of last years class and KC will prob look for similar blocking receivers this year as well (another reason i mentioned Bess).
As for moving down, could go either way. Now that we have no.17 i actually hope we stay put and try to get one of the best in the draft at 5
Im excited though for saturday, its going to be a hell of a draft
April 25th, 2008 at 4:34 amYou are right I’m not sold on Matt Ryan. The Flacco guy transfered from QB rich Pittsburg U. because he could not get playing time. I sure he will be a back for life. I have no problem drafting a QB but I just can’t see Ryan becoming a Superbowl winning QB.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:51 amYou are right I’m not sold on Matt Ryan. The Flacco guy transfered from QB rich Pittsburg U. because he could not get playing time. Can’t break the starting line for Pittsburg, but he is gonna set the NFL on fire. I’m sure he will be a back for life. I have no problem drafting a QB but I just can’t see Ryan becoming a Superbowl winning QB.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:54 amI may be one of the only ones that agree but Brodie fuckn sucks, and Matt Ryan is a better pick than ellis..They say picking ellis will shure up the defense, but then we let our best young player go???? Was it ust me or did D Bowe admit he was high in that dumb/cocky ass utube video…He’s gonna be a problem soon. Whatever happened to humble guys like Gonzalez?????
April 25th, 2008 at 9:10 amat this point i dont care about character issues…id sell my soul for a winning season and some playoff wins… Saturday can not get here soon enough, the suspense is killing me…..
April 25th, 2008 at 9:31 amAdam, I was initially extremely opposed to drafting Ryan. I don’t think it would be a bad pick, though, given that he rates extremely high from a character/intelligence standpoint.
What I take pause at, however, is that I think drafting Ryan is a statement that the team has given up on Croyle, and I think that’s unfair. It’s like asking your pizza delivery guy to deliver all his pizzas in a half-hour, but refusing to let him use a car to get there. I think the Chiefs should instead work on two approaches: building a really solid offense around Croyle and giving him a legit chance to prove himself and, if he doesn’t, look to next year to develop a QB. Or b) the preferred option, instead use your 2nd or 3rd on a QB that can push Croyle for the starting job.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:06 amI’ve been looking through a lot of mock drafts and still see Clady showing up on quite a few. But hardly anyone here talks about him as a possible pick now. I know most here don’t seem to like him. One site even said that Will Shields has been working with him.
http://patsdraft.com/April_Draft07.htm
No one here thinks there’s a chance we pick him at 5?
April 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pmtotally off subject but yesterday i saw someone say manningham. i read today that the guy got a 6 on the wonderlic. A FREAKIN 6!!!!!!!!!!! WOW A REAL GENIUS
April 25th, 2008 at 1:54 pmso the guy is slow and stoopid
April 25th, 2008 at 1:55 pmi know its stupid just a joke
April 25th, 2008 at 1:55 pmLTCF
Last time I brought that up, I got jumped on.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:01 pmLTCF Whats that mean?
April 25th, 2008 at 2:11 pmmarcus henry out of kansas
April 25th, 2008 at 2:42 pmMan you guys REALLY need to lay off of Adam and his love affair with Matt Ryan. He is a good QB and might be pretty good in the NFL. Agree to disagree with Adam and let it go. I seriously doubt if he is there anyway. Either Oakland trades out of 4 with a Baltimore or the like or ATL takes him at 3! End of discussion he shouldn’t be an issue for us!
April 25th, 2008 at 2:57 pmanother thing on the saints shopping brown(lt) IF we could get him and #10 for #5 then we could also draft albert at 10 and have a pretty good oline started. also hes signed for under 900 thousand a year until 2011
April 25th, 2008 at 3:09 pmLTCF = LongTimeChiefsFan
April 25th, 2008 at 3:35 pmI’m tellin’ ya, Todd at thehuddlerport.com, has the best scenario yet: Carolina sends up Julius Peppers, and their #1 (13), for our #5. We get our DE, and are sitting pretty with 2 first rounders.
April 25th, 2008 at 3:35 pmyea but we need oline worse AND peppers is ALWAYS hurt
April 25th, 2008 at 3:38 pmAND we would STILL have 2 1st rounders
April 25th, 2008 at 3:39 pmIt’s tough. Clady and Albert are a reach at 5, and Ryan might be also. We REALLY need to trade down.
April 25th, 2008 at 3:46 pmCARL IS AN IDIOT
April 26th, 2008 at 9:39 am