Adam's Draft Apples

by Draft

How Bout Dem Apples?I’m not gonna lie–I’m an opinionated cat. Quite often, I’m an opinionated cat who sees things differently than the mainstream crowd. I’ll admit that.

Still, I do have pretty good credentials when it comes being an NFL Draft prognosticator. Yesterday, Zach even urged me to remind everybody of how high I was on Dwayne Bowe last year. And then there were some super sleepers I called correctly while writing for Real Football 365, Kevin Boss for instance. Justin Harrell, who the book is still open on, was my favorite player last year, so I’m not perfect. All I’m saying is that I’m willing to step outside the box and have pretty decent intuition.

All I’m asking, Chiefs fans, is that you just give me a shot here and drop your guard and biases long enough to consider my recommendations.

Here are the players I covet heading into Saturday’s draft, just over 48 hours away:

QB Matt Ryan, B.C.

As you all know, this is my guy. And I know that he’s not most of your guys’ guy. In fact, there’s probably still more support for Dubya among Chiefs fans than there is for Matt Ryan. As Herm Edwards says, that’s OK.

First, I want to tackle this notion that there are more pressing needs than quarterback in the NFL. Ridiculous. Asinine. Bizarre. No offense, but I am just shocked that so many fans have this opinion. It’s like saying the CEO isn’t the most crucial part of a business, or that the head isn’t the most important part of the body. It just makes no sense to me, especially on the heels of three first-round QBs in a row winning it all.

Next, yep, Brodie Croyle. You want a leader and a winner in a QB. I wouldn’t follow Brodie into a USC sorority house. I wouldn’t follow Brodie into Best Buy if it included an unlimited shopping spree. The dude is not a leader. He’s just not. Meanwhile, you see Ryan play and do interviews and you see visions of other great quarterbacks. Manning. Brady. Palmer. He’s got what they’ve got. 32 on the Wonderlic. 27-6 as a starter at B.C. The size and toughness Brodie sorely lacks. He’s got it all. Right now the situation is a little like The Lord of the Rings. Brodie Croyle is nothing more than a steward, folks–we need ourselves a king, and in the worst possible way. All we have now is a part-time, injury-riddled steward.

As for the interceptions I hear about every 1.67 seconds (believe me, I’m annoyed), he played in possibly the most predictable offense in the country and still led his team to become the fourth best passing attack in the NCAA. I think people are overstating his interception issues. I’d rather have an 11-3 QB who’s more INT prone (Ryan) than a 6-6 one (Brohm) who can’t lead his squad to victories.

All I’m asking is for you to give the guy a chance. Or don’t. I could care less. History will be kind to me on this one.

QB Joe Flacco, Delaware

No need for as long of a spiel here, because I think we all like him. He’s big, smart, has a canon arm and swagger for days. Problem is he played against inferior competition in college. Also, I think part of why Chiefs fans like him so much is because they’ve talked themselves into thinking they can get a player as good as Ryan a round later. Yeah, I’m just not sure about that. Regardless, I’m high on Flacco.

QB Josh Johnson, San Diego

If for some reason we are more sold on Brodie than I think we are–and definitely more than we should be–this would be a great option. We could even reach a tad early in round three to make sure we got him. Speed Racer wheels, amazing accuracy (43 TDs, 1 INT), good size (6’3″), 24 on the Wonderlic…I prefer him to the two underachievers, aka Brian Brohm and Chad Henne, big time. Still, J.J. is definitely a project. Think Casey Printers on steroids.

QB Kevin O’Connell, San Diego State

I don’t know much about him, but by Saturday I may actually prefer him to Johnson. He’s still a little under the radar, but the ex-S.D. Stater could wind up being Aztec gold. He’s fast (4.6 40), got hops (31-inch vert) and absolutely torched opponents last season in the Mountain West. He’s really starting to rise right now. It might be too late, though, and we could be smart to take advantage and pounce with our third third or our fourth. I don’t know a ton about him, but I’m starting to warm up to the kid.

RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon

He might not end up being quite as explosive or exciting as Darren McFadden, but he very well could end up being this draft’s best pure rusher. If he was there at 17 and there wasn’t anybody left we coveted, I would definitely take a long look at him. Remember how everybody moaned and groaned when we picked L.J. even though we had Priest Holmes? The best-player-available strategy works, folks.

WR James Hardy, Indiana

For the life of me I don’t know why any receiver outside of DeSean Jackson is ranked above this guy. The possibility of getting him at No. 35 is tantalizing to say the least. 6’6″ and he runs a 4.4 40. I don’t ever want to read or hear the words Mario Manningham again.

WR Jordy Nelson, K-State

We’ve already raved, and raved, and raved…and then some about our guy Jordy. The point I want to make here is that with our plethora of picks (13 total, six in the top 82), I would be totally willing for us to trade into round two and snag him. He is the perfect No. 2 WR. Say hello to the next out-of-nowhere guy, a la T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Wes Welker.

OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt

I just want to start singing, “I like the way you move, duh, duh, duh.” Great frame and athleticism, incredible feet. He has the potential to be the very best pass-blocking left tackle in this draft. He seriously could go to the Broncos, too, but I’m reading that they might go with a back. I’m also reading that with Branden Albert moving up, Williams could be there at No. 17. I’d much rather go with a legitimate LT prospect 12 picks later, wouldn’t you?  We just can’t be sure that Albert is a LT at this juncture, and you can’t pick a guard in the top five. That’s like winning a sweepstakes for any car you want and picking a Honda Accord. Nice ride, but…yeah…you get it.

OT Sam Baker, USC

As one scout said, he’s a ten-year starter at right tackle. In the late first or early second I will take that with no hesitation whatsoever. If he had been more healthy last year he would have been a top-20 pick. The kid’s got great instincts, the kind of feel for the game that you can’t teach.

DE Quentin Groves, Auburn

Saw this monster absolutely obliterate my Wildcats last year. Plus, his measurables are not far off from Vernon Gholsten‘s. Blazing 4.53 40. 30 reps of 225. 30-inch hops. Oh yeah, what about his heart? Well, that was an outpatient procedure that didn’t even cause him to stop working out for teams. I understand that it’s a heart issue, and that’s scary. But as someone who grew up the son of a heart doc, I assure you that this (WPW syndrome, which is almost always cured with a minor preliminary operation) doesn’t appear to even really be an issue. The only reference to heart we should be making when it comes to Groves is how much heart he plays with. Because of the operation we might be able to get a top-ten player with the No. 35 overall pick. I like him every bit as much as Chris Long. Seriously.

CB Antoine Cason, Arizona

4.4 40. Four-year all-conference guy in the Pac-10. He’s got decent size. He’s perfect for the Cover 2 scheme. If he somehow slips into round three, which is possible, he’d be a steal. I have no clue why he’s slipping so much. Really, I don’t.

CB Chevis Jackson, LSU

As you know, he’s been one of my boys for some time. He’s pretty big, and while not the fastest corner out there, he’s a sticky coverage guy–you can’t shake him. He has great intuition and instincts. He’s really the prototypical Herm corner, and he’ll be there in round three. We should do ourselves a favor and take him at that spot, especially with three thirds.

FS Ron Girault, Fresno State

Started 40 games. Ran a 4.46 40. 40-inch hops. Benched 225 25 times. He wasn’t invited to the Combine, so he’s not a name commodity right now, but he’ll be one of the best safeties in a weak class. He can be had in the late rounds and would be a great insurance policy to Jarrad Page, who I’ve soured on a bit. The biggest drawback is that he’s only 5’9″.

Let us know your “Draft Apples,” Chiefs fans!

Never miss a chance to get your fix! Follow Arrowhead Addict on Twitter and be sure to like our Facebook page.

Tags: ,

Comments
Comments have been disabled for this post.
Sort: Newest | Oldest

It's tough. Clady and Albert are a reach at 5, and Ryan might be also. We REALLY need to trade down.

AND we would STILL have 2 1st rounders

yea but we need oline worse AND peppers is ALWAYS hurt

I'm tellin' ya, Todd at thehuddlerport.com, has the best scenario yet: Carolina sends up Julius Peppers, and their #1 (13), for our #5. We get our DE, and are sitting pretty with 2 first rounders.

LTCF = LongTimeChiefsFan

another thing on the saints shopping brown(lt) IF we could get him and #10 for #5 then we could also draft albert at 10 and have a pretty good oline started. also hes signed for under 900 thousand a year until 2011

Man you guys REALLY need to lay off of Adam and his love affair with Matt Ryan. He is a good QB and might be pretty good in the NFL. Agree to disagree with Adam and let it go. I seriously doubt if he is there anyway. Either Oakland trades out of 4 with a Baltimore or the like or ATL takes him at 3! End of discussion he shouldn't be an issue for us!

LTCF

Last time I brought that up, I got jumped on.

i know its stupid just a joke

so the guy is slow and stoopid

totally off subject but yesterday i saw someone say manningham. i read today that the guy got a 6 on the wonderlic. A FREAKIN 6!!!!!!!!!!! WOW A REAL GENIUS

I've been looking through a lot of mock drafts and still see Clady showing up on quite a few. But hardly anyone here talks about him as a possible pick now. I know most here don't seem to like him. One site even said that Will Shields has been working with him.

http://patsdraft.com/April_Draft07.htm

No one here thinks there's a chance we pick him at 5?

Adam, I was initially extremely opposed to drafting Ryan. I don't think it would be a bad pick, though, given that he rates extremely high from a character/intelligence standpoint.

What I take pause at, however, is that I think drafting Ryan is a statement that the team has given up on Croyle, and I think that's unfair. It's like asking your pizza delivery guy to deliver all his pizzas in a half-hour, but refusing to let him use a car to get there. I think the Chiefs should instead work on two approaches: building a really solid offense around Croyle and giving him a legit chance to prove himself and, if he doesn't, look to next year to develop a QB. Or b) the preferred option, instead use your 2nd or 3rd on a QB that can push Croyle for the starting job.

at this point i dont care about character issues...id sell my soul for a winning season and some playoff wins... Saturday can not get here soon enough, the suspense is killing me.....

I may be one of the only ones that agree but Brodie fuckn sucks, and Matt Ryan is a better pick than ellis..They say picking ellis will shure up the defense, but then we let our best young player go???? Was it ust me or did D Bowe admit he was high in that dumb/cocky ass utube video...He's gonna be a problem soon. Whatever happened to humble guys like Gonzalez?????

You are right I'm not sold on Matt Ryan. The Flacco guy transfered from QB rich Pittsburg U. because he could not get playing time. Can't break the starting line for Pittsburg, but he is gonna set the NFL on fire. I'm sure he will be a back for life. I have no problem drafting a QB but I just can't see Ryan becoming a Superbowl winning QB.

You are right I'm not sold on Matt Ryan. The Flacco guy transfered from QB rich Pittsburg U. because he could not get playing time. I sure he will be a back for life. I have no problem drafting a QB but I just can't see Ryan becoming a Superbowl winning QB.

Wow ROC, i think i almost completely agree with your entire post lol.

Ive seen a couple mocks that have Hart going 4th round but i definately wouldnt be surprised to see him early third. Like i said i would prob use a 3rd on him and feel very very good at where we are at RB

As for Manningham, i think hes worth a second round pick, i mean sure he ran a slow 40 but its what he does in the game that matters. One of the reasons Bowe was so good for us though is he can block, he really was the perfect fit of last years class and KC will prob look for similar blocking receivers this year as well (another reason i mentioned Bess).

As for moving down, could go either way. Now that we have no.17 i actually hope we stay put and try to get one of the best in the draft at 5

Im excited though for saturday, its going to be a hell of a draft

Krans, dont ask me about Mike Hart... According to Adam, Im pretty biased and inclined toward drafting EVERY Michigan player in this years draft. Hahaha! I mean, its true... but not. I mean, granted I wanted Jake Long (but who didnt?), I wouldnt mind having Chad Henne as a sold backup QB, I DO like Mario Manningham at WR, and I've always though that Make Hart was quite the player. Now, I think he may be a mid 3rd rounder... if he gets hyped up a little more, he may move up to a late 2nd rounder. MAYBE!... But I like the kid.

And as far as our 1st round goes... I'm totally for Chris Long at 5. Maybe he wont get to 5, fine. But Im pullin' for it. But as a plan B, I say we snag Sedrick Ellis... At 17, Im pulling for Chris Williams! I definitely see a young Willie Roaf. As a plan B, Id hope that Jeff Otah is there, because granted he's not the next Willie Roaf, but he IS the best run blocking OT in the draft.

.... My God! Imagine how LJ is gonn feel come Saturday! I think its gonna be almost the equivalent to when Tom Brady woke up on his personal Christmas morning and found all his WR toys to play with.

As far as the New Orleans J.Brown/#10 pick... I WOULD DEFINITELY consider it. I mean then we'd be able to draft a Branden Albert or Chirs Williams for sure at #10 and maybe snag DRC or (if we dont think Turk can cut it) we can draft Phillip Merling at #17.... This would be kinda cool, but I'm a little to high on Ellis/DMC/and Gholston.

Crawford,

Yea thats pretty much all im saying. You have to realize prior to the Sugar bowl many ppl though he had a chance of going 1st or 2nd round and almost everyone would agree hed go first day

Im not expert on talent but ive seen him play enough times to be pretty convinced hes a great QB when healthy. I honestly think San Fran will prob grab him in the 5th but we'll see.

But yea all im pretty much saying is i here the arguments for Ryan and they are sound but hes not the best in a lot of areas. Now i think hes got great potential and hes a smart kid but i just would rather go in another direction.

Anyway Adam has his favorite, i have mine, neither is very popular haha

Anyone else have thoughts on Mike Hart?

I think he would be a really nice nice pick

Krans,

I wouldn't mind seeing us snag Brennan with a really late pick if he's around. 70% completion percentage two years running (in a system where his predecessor, the NCAA passing yardage leader, only hit 57%)? He'd be a hell of a 6th-7th rounder.

I wouldn't want to waste a pick higher than 6th round, though, with the baggage that guy carries with him.

ok... so Culpepper isn't mobile... but in comparison to Huard... you see where i was going with it...

nah... forget Matt Ryan... we give Croyle another year, sign a solid, more mobile backup like Culpepper, then next year if the Brodie Project goes to the crapper and when Derek Anderson proves he's the man in Cleveland we could maybe trade for Brady Quinn :)

ok... it's a stretch... i'm just not sold that Ryan is the best pick there at 5...

Another platinum hit...lol...

I still think Colt Brennan might be the best QB of the draft but i digress with that argument. Even though he has the winning record, accuracy, efficiency he had one bad game and an injury so he drops 5 rounds, awesome logic! (Again Brennan doesnt fit in our system anyway, i believe hed beat out brodie but hed excel elsewhere more than in KC)

Anyway while on the topic of Hawaii, WR Bess would be a nice pick up in one of the later rounds if he is there and we dont get someone like Jordy. Hes very very talented, very elusive, only problem i question his work ethic at times.

For Me:
-Obviously we need to get a Tackle with no.5 or no.17 , im hoping Long or Dorsey falls to us at 5 i dont really think we should reach for an olineman there but it has to Albert if we do. Hopefully Otah falls to 17 if not then maybe Williams will or Clady (doubt it)
-As far as RB, we can get Slaton or Hart in the late rounds. Slaton is somewhat a gamble but i love love love hart, i think he will be one of the biggest steals of the draft.
-CB, lots of options here and its one position i have almost 100% confidence in Herm picking the right guy, plus in Cover 2 theres a lot more wiggle room for Corners.

After that its pretty wide open, im honestly not really high on any of the QBs, if anything maybe Flacco or Johnson though ill admit ive seen and know very little about them other than what ive read throughout various scouting sites.

Overall though
If we get a nice lineman 1st round, and get a DT or DE
Get Mike Hart
A Receiver/ and corner

thats an excellent start

Also Adam what you said about HArdy from Indiana, i completely agree, i think he would be a very nice pickup

Today on Cowherd's show on ESPN radio, he had on a rep from Las Vegas Sports Consultants. These are the experts that deal in information, set lines, and know their stuff more than anyone else. This guy enequivocally stated that Brohm is better than Ryan now, and will be a better pro. Adam, I'm afraid you have an irrational man-crush on Ryan. At this point, I think Ryan would be a bigger reach than Clady at #5. There is no possible way that Croyle can be fairly evaluated playing behind the line we had last year. The rush to throw him under the bus just doesn't make sense. I've been trying to find some text from the Cowherd show, but you will probably have to be a paid ESPN insider to hear the podcast. Dude makes people money with sports gambling info, and they have advanced degrees in breaking down and evaluating the data. Man says go Brohm.

i like Gholston and id like to see Williams at 17 but Otah will do but id rather get Flacco than Henne

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/default.asp

#5 Vernon Gholston
#17 Jeff Otah
#35 Chad Henne (w/ Joe Flacco going to Ravens @ 38)

To be honest, it's so weird to even think about another defensive end lining up in Jared's spot. You forgot to mention how Ryan was trying to force plays to overcome his mediocre surrounding cast.

I figured Quentin Groves would be one of the big talking points of this thread. What does everybody think?

We might not have to trade up from 17. Otah and Albert were both there in NFL Live's Mock, even though Clady went 12 and Williams 14. Personally, I want Williams. Reese said in five years he'll be the best LT in this class. I definitely think he has the chance to be. The only real knock on him is strength, which will come.

Sure, I'd be interested.

FYI, Floyd Reese just took Otah at 17 with Albert still on the board. Mel grilled him.

rumors are the saints are shopping jammal brown(probowl lt) to trade up what do you guys think?

Ick. I'd rather have a one of the defensive linemen in the top five this year and then try to trade up from #17 to get an OT. Buffalo seems like a good trade partner...they want a WR but none are available at that pick without severely reaching. They might go for one of our third-rounders to swap.

hes 27 played in 43 games last 3 years missed 5 not too bad ?????

sorry i was wrong he played RT his ROOKIE season

rumors are the saints are shopping jammal brown(probowl lt) to trade up what do you guys think? #10 and brown they say he slipped a little last year
he played RT for them last year so maybe he'd be a good fit?

cool, sorry for the mistake... my bad...
Then Marino did come into a situation maybe WORSE than ours. At least we got LJ (and bowe and T.G.)

not saying you did just responding to the question letting you know what i think and he IS injury prone

Dustin,

Granted, Brady and Marino didn’t come into an O like ours though.

Miami's offense was plenty horrible outside of Dan Marino. The only reason he didn't get sacked 10-15 times a game was because of that freakishly quick release of his. Just check out the history of the Fins' running backs during Marino's time there to see how ineffective they were (especially from 1988 on...most of those primary RBs didn't crack 4 yards per carry).

http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?season=1996&team=MIA&seasonType=

The Dolphins linemen pretty much owe their careers to Marino.

Jason,

Did I endorse Pennington? No. Just brought it up to start convo.

Floyd Reese said he thought about McFadden at 5. Without either of the DEs or Dorsey there, if we don't want Ryan don't we have to look at this guy. Run DMC is the one guy that I think can make us a borderline .500 team or slightly better. Granted, that's assuming we go OT at 17 and get a guard later on.

Mel Kiper: "Matt Ryan is the best pick for the Kansas City Chiefs" given the above-mentioned scenario.

no too pennington (well to get him we only lose 1 spot that MIGHT work) but you say that croyle is injury prone well look at chad also REALLY WEAK ARMED

5. Matt Ryan - Floyd Reese

Rebuilding starts at the QB position. Head and shoulders above the other QBs. Closest thing to a franchise QB. May not like it, may not make fans happy. Have to give yourself time and get the process started.

McShay is going nuts, says Long might be better for Chiefs, but can't take Run DMC.

Schlereth doesn't like it. Typical hog. Wiley neither. I'll roll with the ex-GM and Draft expert, and not the players :)

He and Clark do, but he is taking a more reserved role in the draft, and you can clearly see that when you look at the last couple classes.

The only thing I see is that Carl Peterson's not constantly running his mouth about his involvement with the draft (which is smart, considering the hostility towards him and how badly he's screwed it up over his tenure). As for the last two draft classes, it's way too early to tell how good or bad they'll be because most of those guys are unproven. Right now, we've got one player who looks like he'll be very good (Bowe), one who may be very good or may have plateaued (Hali), one "QB of the future" who hasn't impressed anyone, two players who might turn into good starters (Pollard, Page), two guys who may or may not crack the starting lineup (Tyler, McBride), and a bunch of guys who were bench players for a really bad 4-12 team (including two offensive linemen who couldn't get regular spots on the worst offensive line in pro football). Four starting players out of two draft classes is not particularly impressive (that's a 28% success rate in fact) and if no one else cracks the starting lineup regularly and most of those players on the fringe are gone after a year or two, that would make them really bad draft classes.

I definitely don't feel like going QB is the smartest choice for us first. I agree with most of you guys that we are the wrong situation to develop a franchise QB. Especially, when we have more options for an immediate impact. Adam, I do agree with you though, I've got this gut feeling (which in my career has saved my ass a few times) about Ryan too. Both that we will draft him (which I won't be sure if I'll celebrate or regurgitate) and that one day he will be great. I just had this weird epiphany a couple months ago with Matt Ryan as a Kansas City Chief. I know you all have a problem with his picks, but:

att comp % yrds td int rat
T. Brady 711 443 62.3 5351 35 19
D. Marino 1204 693 57.6 8597 79 69 77.7
M. Ryan 1346 806 59.9 9310 56 37 126.2

All 3 College QB Stats

Granted, Brady and Marino didn't come into a Oline like ours though.

Did McShay just say Gholsten isn't athletic? LMAO!!

4.5 40, 37 reps, 40-inch hops...OK

NFL Live just went...

1. Jake
2. Chris
3. Glenn
4. Gholsten...