Jared Allen: The Legend Of The Space Cowboy
Jason Whitlock once dubbed Jared Allen the Space Cowboy, a name that never really stuck. My nickname for him, the One Man Gang, at least seemed to stick around here, and it sure seems valid right about now. After all, it looks like Jared put his once-in-a-lifetime contract above the entire Chiefs family–Kansas City, his teammates, the front office and, most of all, the fans. I can’t say that I blame him, except that I kind of feel like Jared’s relationship with Kansas City and the fans was a facade. That’s why I’m thinking Space Cowboy might actually be a better moniker for him right about now…
Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Some call me the gangster of love
Some people call me Maurice
Cause I speak of the pompitus of love.
People talk about me, baby
Say I’m doin’ you wrong, doin’ you wrong
Well, don’t you worry baby
Don’t worry cause I’m right here, right here, right here,
right here at homeCause I’m a picker
I’m a grinner
I’m a lover
And I’m a sinner
I play my music in the sun.
I’m a joker
I’m a smoker
I’m a midnight toker
I get my loving on the run… wooo woooo… – Steve Miller’s “The Joker”
Whether it was because he was the Space Cowboy off the field, or the Gangster of Love on it, Chiefs fans cherished Jared Allen. When he got his DUIs, a lot of people did worry and, myself included, said that he had done us wrong and didn’t deserve his big raise. Such raises were instead reserved for star players like Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez, players who had performed well on the field and off of it. But somehow he soothed our worries, got his suspension cut in half and convinced us that he was a Chief-for-life reborn, despite earlier comments to the contrary.
And that was just for those of us who were skeptical. Most fans already had taken the bait–hook line and sinker. But eventually we all did.
I’m not sure if Jared’s popularity was because of his play; his hustle, calf-ropin’ celebrations and Honkey sensibilities; or more due to his accessibility and down-to-earth nature. Regardless, his popularity even exceeded that of Tony Gonzalez. I guess Tony is kinda still looked at as the California kid, and not really a true Kansas Citian. The natives tend to get turned off by vegan shakes and commitment ceremonies, I suppose. L.J. has similar issues; he’s a nice guy who’s probably too private, sophisticated and urban for his own good in a town like K.C.(and, yes, he was overly demonstrative one game…heaven forbid…I’m competitive,too, I understand).
I like a little variety on my favorite team, and as long as they’re loyal, stay out of trouble and make plays on Sundays, I’ve got their back. Not most Chiefs fans–they want someone like Jared.
I can say all this because Boomer Grigsby–who had basically none of Jared’s talent, but all of his personality and then some–was just as popular as No. 69. Whether it was because of his skin, his style or his sacks, or all of the above, Jared had the entire City of Fountains wrapped around his finger.
(By the way, let’s not go overboard on the Chris Long love because he’s also a White defensive end with a high motor, and his old man reminds us of J.A. Skeet Ulrich looks a helluva lot like Johnny Depp, but Skeet can’t act for shit when compared to Johnny. Catch my drift?)
Then, during last season, Jared was a picker, a grinner, a lover and a sinner, and every Sunday, boy, did he ever play his music in the sun (except in the fourth quarter–zero sacks!). With the way he played, his new K.C. restaurant and his relationship with fans and teammates, we all thought he was here for good. He wanted things to appear that way, but deep down he knew differently.
Jared knew the Chiefs were a somewhat frugal organization, which isn’t always a bad thing. He knew that he had made his own bed with a checkered pre-Chiefs past and two DUIs as a Chief. He knew he would never get his highest-paid-defender-in-the-NFL riches in BBQ Bedlam. That’s why he signed the deal he did last year, quit drinking (we’ll see if that lasts), said all the right things and played like a man possessed. Well, for the first three quarters of games at least. It was a contract year and he played the part, did what he had to do to get that money. I don’t blame him for the plan, I blame him for pulling the wool over our eyes.
When this offseason rolled around, he let his real plan unfold. He knew he wasn’t going to get Marlon Brando Superman dough from the Chiefs, but he had an out. Carl Peterson. Everybody’s villain. He knew that right or wrong, if he went to war with Peterson that not only would he emerge as the good guy, but he’d likely become the NFL’s richest DE. After all, he read the Chiefs blogosphere from time to time. Dude knew we were fed up with King Carl, ready to dethrone his ass. He knew we were frustrated by his five-year-but-going-on-twenty plan, his lengthy contract disputes, draft reaches and bargain-bin free agents. He knew the journalist ogre Joeson Posnansklock and the rest of the Star would dive in to save him before checking the waters. He knew that most of the blogosphere would do the same.
Not me. I’m lots of things, but I ain’t no sucker. I also bleed Red and Gold, more so it appears than certain players. Certain ex-players now.
I’ll admit, Jared was a great player and a decent, entertaining dude, but let’s not get carried away. Homeboy orchestrated his escape from Arrowhead pretty damn fast for this to have been a spur-of-the-moment decision. He fooled us, folks. He won our hearts, then ran off for a payday. Like the song, lovin’ on the run. Because of this, I thank him for his outstanding play and all the fond memories, but I’m not shedding any tears. He obviously didn’t want to be a Chief, so, personally, I didn’t want him to be one any longer either.
You think Derrick Thomas, Tony G or Will Shields would have hightailed it out of town just because they had a little scrape or two with Carl? No effin’ way. They both had lots of scrapes with Carl, same with L.J and many other Chiefs. Jared’s behavior, and his insistence on a ridiculous contract (yes, $75 M with $30 M guaranteed is a boatload of cash for basically an alcoholic in remission with an extensive history of DUIs) despite that behavior, forced our hand.
I’m not a Carl Peterson fan either. If you’ve been here all offseason, then you know that right after the season I called for him to step down as G.M. and move to the business side of operations. He’s screwed up royally, and deserved to be fired following the 4-12 season. Still, in this situation, he was right. Not only was Peterson right, he came out of last night’s trade a winner.
Not only did he convince another team to give a “young man at risk” (his words, not mine) Dwight-Freeney-and-then-some money when we weren’t going to pay him anything close to that, he got a middle first rounder and two third round picks, all 2008 picks, out of the deal. If Minnesota was smart they would have waited until after the draft to have signed him, poison pilled us and given us two later first-round picks, one in 2009 and one in 2010. But somehow King Carl convinced those purple jesters up in the Twin Cities that we actually might match a deal. Well, I can’t give all the credit to Carl. I’m sure the Vikings realized that Tarvaris Jackson can only take a team so far, too.
The fallout, regardless if you agree with me or not, is that Jared is gone, Carl is still king and the Chiefs have the opportunity to have their best draft in franchise history. With three top 40 picks, six picks in the top 100 and the most trade value chart points of any team, the Chiefs control this draft’s destiny. That’s especially true considering that the Chiefs own the prime real estate that is the No. 5 overall pick, for sure to be the target of multiple potential trades.
Now that I’ve let it all out on this one, I’m going to move on to what kind of damage we can do with the plethora of picks we’ve assembled. Watch out for “Adam’s Draft Apples,” the guys I covet heading into the draft, dropping before the weekend. For now, make sure to sound off yourselves on the Jared Allen trade.
*Slow clap*
-cw
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 amI’ve know Jared Allen for years and I have posted in here from the very beginning of his KC career. Let’s review
1) He gets picked 125th in the 4th round. The silence from “entire Chiefs family–Kansas City, his teammates, the front office and, most of all, the fans” is deafening. Terms like “wasted pick”, “over-rated 1-AA player”, and “who?” resound from the mid-west. I say he will make you all believers.
2) He started after 3 games and becomes the fastest Chief to 25 sacks since Derrick Thomas. The roar from “entire Chiefs family–Kansas City, his teammates, the front office and, most of all, the fan” is getting louder because in the self-serving world of KC Football you were getting a steal ( 3 years, $1 million TOTAL)
3) Restricted Free Agent year. King Carl dissed Jared before the 2006 in anticipation of the contract negotiations. When asked about Jared out-performing his paltry contract Carl says he doesn’t think that Jared has outplayed that contract and you need to look at when and where the sacks come from. Really? I thought that having numbers better than 96% of the defensive ends in the league spoke volumes. So, Jared is offended BEFORE the DUI issues because the Cheaps are trying to get him for less than market. The “entire Chiefs family–Kansas City, his teammates, the front office and, most of all, the fans” quietly accept the tactic because it is self-serving.
4) Jared double DUI’s his way out of a major contract. He remains true to KC, never trying to hold out, never making threats, never. He works to rehab his image and become worthy of a big contract. Once again “entire Chiefs family–Kansas City, his teammates, the front office and, most of all, the fans.” rally to call him a drunkard and worse DESPITE his efforts to correct his image and life.
5) Pro Bowl year. Takes the 2 game suspension, spots everyone a head start, and leads the league in sacks. Still “entire Chiefs family–Kansas City, his teammates, the front office and, most of all, the fans” bash him every day as if he was drinking dailyon the campus of a preschool. ACTUALLY, he has stopped drinking, taken on dietary restrictions, and worked to be more professional as an athlete.
6) King Carl head fakes everyone with a half-hearted franchise lable to buy some time. No one calls him on it and the “entire Chiefs family–Kansas City, his teammates, the front office and, most of all, the fans” get what they deserve.
You didn’t appreciate what you got in the original draft, you didn’t appreciate what you had over these years, and now you get what you deserve.
He LOVED Kansas City. He loved the fans. He would have played his entire career there had it been handled better on the part of the team in general and the GM specifically.
Enjoy the rebuilding years…
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:15 amyoure probably the same guy who thought merriman deserved d player of the year AFTER coming off 4 game suspension for roids. what an example for the young kids out there
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 amyou also sound like you are in love with him
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:38 amI lived in Minneapolis from 2004 to 2006 and talked to my (level headed and educated) friends from there about Allen and heard things like “he seems like kinda guy people love up here” or “LOL, DUI’s and a country boy, a true Vike”. Lets also remember that they ran Moss out of town and called him a cancer then the sex boat thing happens a year later, and ran Dante out in favor of Brad freaking Johnson.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 amCalChief1, Kansas City fans LOVED Jared Allen. It’s just too bad that we are in a no win situation because he made bad choices and King Carl and the Chiefs are cheap. Don’t put the fans as people to blame as they supported him throughout his years. I’m pretty sure that I can’t say, “Good job Jared, here’s a contract.” The fans aren’t the GM and the owner so I take offense that you lumped us into the roller coaster ride that you see as Jared Allen’s career. I also loved how you glossed over the fact that he had TWO DUI’s and didn’t expect people to be upset. I’m sorry but if he isn’t an NFL player most people don’t like repeat offenders of something as serious as a DUI. Even though he was an NFL player it still made me mad. But the fans still loved him after that and most forgave him. I don’t say “good riddance” but I understand the hesitation on the Chief’s part to give big time money to a player that might get in trouble again.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:10 amStop living in a dream world, Allen was the only reason to watch the chiefs play last year (aside from the odd Bowe highlight), and he has never directed an ill comment to any of you fans (just the opposite in fact). You all loved him last year and kept saying “don’t worry, carl will cut a deal”. Well he is the single reason our defence was at all respectable last year and carl did not cut a deal. Even though there is little doubt at age 26, the best defensive end in the NFL would have been able to play out a full 6 year deal. Now you all have hopped on the “Allen was A Bastard Bandwagon”, just to make it a little easier on yourselves. Cut the crap guys. If we had the DE’s we have now and had just aquired Allen from another team, you guys would be jumping for joy. Don’t deny it, most of you were hoping we’d sign Deangelo Hall for Christ’s sake. Now we will probably pick an end at #5. A guy who since he is picked top 5 will earn just under Allen money even though he has not played a freaking snap in the NFL. He is not going to be better than Allen either. So with #5 we have to hope that we can replace Allen. Then with #17 we have to fill the hole we could have filled with #5 had this trade not happened. Leaving us nowhere except for having two extra Rd3 picks, which isn’t even enough to move us out of #17 back into the top 10, where we already were. By the way, how often have we actually “hit” on a 3rd Rd pick lately? This is absolutely ridiculous. Just be prepaired for the same to happen when your next favorite chief becomes a probowler and wants more money, then you can start hating him as well.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:24 amAlso, enough with the DUI’s, he has done everything possible to change his life, and I am willing to bet everything that it won’t happen again. Obviously all the teams who wanted him felt the same. I hope you guys realise what we have lost when the Vikings D tears it up next year and Allen (next to the Williams’) destroys every O-line they play against.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:29 amAdam:
We finally agree
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:40 amMy bad, we could hypotheticly trade our #17, and both of our newly aquired Rd 3 picks to get into #9, but #9 still isn’t as good as #5. Which we wouldn’t have to blow on a DE if we still had the best one around.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:50 amOdd Bowe Highlight? Are you serious?
http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/21/bowe-to-the-endzone/
Dude made a ton of plays….
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:00 amThe thing is you still have to say BET that he will stay away from alcohol.
“There is evidence that approximately 90 percent of alcoholics are likely to experience at least one relapse over the 4-year period following treatment.”
More power to him if he does stay sober, but people need to realize he knew that it was either:
1. Quit drinking and become the highest paid defensive player in the NFL (which I wouldn’t have paid him)
2. Keep drinking and drink himself out of the league with the few millions he made.
Pretty simple decision….
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:04 amBigchief and Calchief. . . . I request that you guys take the ‘chief’ out your name.
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 am“Also, enough with the DUI’s, he has done everything possible to change his life” – like opening a freaking bar
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 amListen we are all Chiefs that what makes us it so great. But we need to realize that JARED wanted the Chief out of his name.
We now need to worry about what we got as Chiefs and I still think we have lots of talent:
D-BO, LJ, Tony-G, Waters, DJ, Tamba, T&T, Kolby Smith, Page & Pollard, D. Williams, Donnie Edwards, and 13 draft picks! Jared was still on a 4-12 team last year.
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 amWell, THATS what I’M saying. It doesnt mean shit to defend the guy NOW. He wanted out and now he’s out. To ME, when it comes to football, youre either WITH US or AGAINST US. None of this “Oh, but he’s a nice guy. We shouldnt bash him, fellas.” F That! He’s a Minnesota ViQueen, and THATS THAT. Sucks, but again . . . life goes on. . . . . . as a CHIEF!
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:57 amTwo of the best contract extensions over the past few years: Kellen Winslow and Ben Roethlisberger.
These two were “at risk” players because they made stupid decisions off the field that could cost them career-ending injuries. Big Ben is a motorcycle addict and the Steelers had to make a good faith decision that he’d change his ways and stop risking his career. After all, Big Ben and Winslow missed significant time in their career because of motorcycling.
So I understand your point about “high risk” behavior, but there are plenty of teams that chose to ignore it and Winslow and Big Ben were awesome in 2008 after their contract extensions.
Allen’s case applies more than you think. While he drank off the field, he has been nothing but a very hard worker on the practice field and a high motor player in the games, so really, the ONLY reason you’re not signing him is based on your fear that he’ll drink and drive again.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 amEveryone! Although we are Chief fanatics, we must never forget that the NFL is a business. Good for Jared Allen and Good for the Chiefs! It is a win-win! Let the re-building begin is right!
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 amWow, this guy bleeds red and gold. I didn’t know you were a Niner fan. You’re colors are more of a red and yellow, Also you’re an awful writer. The end.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 amWell lets ask the Eagles how they felt about signing Jevon Kearse or even the Colts right now about Freeney. If Freeney never returns to form then they took a HUGE hit. So we all have examples that counter each others arguements…
And my fear is not really about him drinking and driving that just adds on to the pile (and your two examples didn’t deal with drugs or alcohol). My fear is paying him to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. I don’t think he is worth that much money.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:28 amlets see what has big ben done since the extension? winslow either in fact what has winslow EVER done except let us all know hes “a soldier”
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 amRobert –
LMAO! Would love to see your talents? Where do you write?
Go check out our colors (right sidebar, right underneath the uniform):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs
THE END!
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 amWell Big Ben did have a pretty outstanding season and K2 could argue that he was the best TE in football last year. So they both had rather good seasons, but not the same off the field issues as Jared.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 amAbout opening a bar…
You think Jared Allen is tending bar late night there? He does what every professional athlete does — lends their name to a business and gets paid for it.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 amActually, in ESPNs latest magazine in the “PreDraft: Moving Kit Special” section he says:
Perfect Date
“It would be dinner, then off to my place, the Sports Arena & Grill. Or you could cut out the dinner”
I don’t know if he goes or if he doesn’t since I have never been there, but he did get quoted saying that. He also said in that section he doesn’t go to clubs, but he does go to his place.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 amOh and Robert, if you think Adam is such an awful writer than you might want to take that up with Matt Mosley at ESPN:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-6-205/Jared-Allen–Space-Cowboy-or-One-Man-Gang-.html
Thats right baby! Hashmarks again!
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 ambigchief13,
My favorite Chief, Larry Johnson, got his big deal last year. He actually deserved it, brother. And staying sober during a contract season proves nothing to me. This is the Show-Me State, show everybody that you didn’t just straighten up for the money. Anyway, no hard feelings. I wish Jared well, but I’m glad we’re moving on. By the way, D-Bo had more than just the occasional odd highlight. Laughing at that statement.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 amthat first post is ridiculous. what a drama-queen. somebody should have told that guy Jared was a huge fan-favorite in KC. Arrowhead errupted louder than ever for him. He obviously never went to any games there.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 amZach, that’s pretty much my point.
The only off-the-field issue he has is that he has, in the past, engaged in behaviors that could lead to his being sidelined for a year. That’s no different from Big Ben and Winslow, who was warned about riding a bike without a helmet and even had behavior clauses in their contract, and still repeatedly made bad decisions off the field too.
Just saying, the Steelers and Browns chose to forego those risks on the “good faith” basis and it worked out superbly for them.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 amChris Carter would have been a much better example…
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 amOh and Jared actually has 3 DUI’s he got one in college. I have heard he could actually have a 4th too. He was in high school so it might have been charged as a juvenile and not gone on his official record.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 amJon…you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You weren’t making Zach’s point. He said he’s not worth the money, your point was ostensibly that some at-risk players are worth the money.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 amAnyone see this quote from Vikings coach Brad Childress?
Vikings coach Brad Childress said Friday the team has done a significant amount of checking into Allen’s background. Childress called Allen a “high-energy guy,” who is not “just a designated pass rusher” and is very good against the run.
Boy is he in for a shock…
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 amBTW Hey ROBERT!
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great article. can’t wait for the draft… and I just read about this article on Hashmarks… very nice!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pmMaybe this is a mini-Hersc Walker scenario that will bode well for our Chiefs?
13 picks sure beats where we have been missing during several rounds the past few years.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmThe whole motorcycle thing is something I have to comment on.
If you fall of a motorcycle and are lucky enough to walk away, you likely won’t repeat the same mistake and fall off again.
If you are a drinker and you fall off the wagon, chances are even if you clean up that you’ll eventually fall off the wagon again.
One is a leisure hobby, the other is a disease or addiction (alcoholism). Jared has gotten three DUIs, four by some accounts. That isn’t making mistakes, that’s a pattern.
I agree with the “young man at risk” comment. And I’m not being a hypocrite here, because I’ve been a little too much of a drinker in the past and am currently dry. Alcoholism runs in the fam. I kinda know what I am talking about.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pmAllen did not quit drinking. Everyone needs to understand that. Saw him at the Hawk in Lawrence, KS the saturday night before the Bears game. He was suspended for that game. I asked him why he wasn’t with the team in Chicago and he said, “Dude, I’m suspended, give me a F-ing break”. He was bombed (as was I- but I don’t have two DUI’s and a million dollar NFL ability)
This was two weeks after his KC star puff piece about him not drinking anymore.
Please…
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:48 pmI’d like to provide some perspective from the Minnesota fans’ side of things.
First of all, Adam, very well written and expressed. It’s somewhat colored by a sense of betrayal, but that’s understandable. I think this is simply a matter of two teams who feel they’re going in slightly different directions.
The Vikings, with the retirement of Favre, now sit staring at an NFC North with absolutely no strong teams. We were a shaky 8-8 last year, and it was clear that we were missing several pieces (QB …a whole other story… and DE) that are essential for success. Jared Allen has been a tremendous performer over his four years in the NFL. The last good DE we drafted in Minnesota was Chris Doleman, so I’d put our chances of drafting a player of Allen’s caliber at about 1 in 3,000.
The Chiefs have a number of amazing players at the talent positions, but the retirement of Hall of Fame caliber O-linemen over the last few years has left your team with a few holes to fill. 13 picks in the draft and I believe 6 – correct me if I’m wrong – in the first three rounds is a great way to address that need and allows a new core to develop together. Spending a huge amount of money on Allen would’ve been a waste until the younger core can develop, frankly. I don’t know that you can fault either the Chiefs for not wanting to make the financial commitment nor Allen for wanting to make sure he locked up a long-term deal while his stock was incredibly high. If you were the player, wouldn’t you want to strike while the iron was hot? Loyalty goes both ways when it comes to contracts. I can’t think of an NFL player who’s been franchised and thought that the one year situation was good for them.
Do I think the Vikings are going to win the Super Bowl? Hell no. Do I think this improves our situation significantly, yes. I don’t know how this can be viewed as anything other than a win-win situation for the two teams.
As for Porter Park’s comments regarding the Vikings: First off, I’d love to meet these “level-headed and educated” friends of yours from Minnesota, because I fear the educated part doesn’t fit. Randy Moss didn’t get “run out of Minnesota”, especially not by the fans. Former owner Red McCombs was incredibly cheap, and decided to unload Randy, but luckily the team is no longer in his hands. That being said, Randy’s also a prima-donna. Put him on a losing team again and watch what happens. Lastly, Dante Culpepper got cut because he no longer had a knee and was refusing to do his rehabilitation work with the team. No one in their right mind thought that Brad Johnson was the answer. In retrospect, I don’t think cutting Dante was a bad idea. He had a $100 million dollar contract and had lost the ability to run. Last I checked, he’s not exactly lighting up the league.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pmWhat some people forget is that the only reason his suspension got reduced last year, is because Herm took it upon himself to personally write the commish a letter on behalf of Jared. It’s obvious that he didn’t like Carl (most people don’t) and he wanted his payday. Can’t blame him, but he won’t be getting all the love he did down here while he’s in Minnesota. Nobody has fans like us. It was a great trade by Carl. It’s about time we take the time to rebuild the franchise.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pmGiven the status of Jared’s contract and pending free agency year coming soon,King Karl may have just pulled off a very good deal…(one of the few I will admit). Let’s see how happy the folks are in Viking land when oponents faccing third and 8 consistently pick up the first down running traps and delays off the offensive left tackle because Jared is, once again, too deep to get back on the play because he’s trying to sack a quarterback that doesn’t have the ball.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmHaving said that, come on Karl draft, or trade for some offensive linemen so we can get back to really playing offensive football that has some options instead of three predictable running plays/screen passes and a punt.
Nobody is mentioning the fact that we essentially gained the #5 first round pick, NOT the #17 pick in this deal. Let me explain: With Jake Long off the board, no room at DT to take Dorsey (with our young draftees from last year) and the #5 selection being a stretch for Talib, Mel Kiper was probably dead on with his prediction that we’d take Brendan Albert or a similar O-Lineman. Brendan Albert is not a top 10 pick, he’ll probably go 13th-15th, however we were in a bind as the available positions at that point were already filled.
Now that Allen’s been traded we can take Gholston at #5, and a player similar to Albert at #17 when we were originally going to get that same value at #5. In the end, I think this was a big factor for Carl, knowing full well that this draft absolutely MUST produce a big yield.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 pmAlex B,
We can take Dorsey at five, and must if he’s there and Matt Ryan isn’t. Turk is a DE, and Tank and Boone would pair with Dorsey to form a great rotation.
Mike,
Great comments from the land of 10,000 lakes! I really enjoyed that comment, and I actually hope this works out for both teams as stated. I just did really feel like Jared played us, and was frustrated more by our fans’ blind support of him than anything else. This time around, King Carl was right on. Good luck in 2008 in the North. I think you guys have it locked up.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:19 pmI can’t be mad at Jared. I enjoy my co-workers but some of the management I don’t care for and for more money…please.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:11 pmMDT -
Great point! Adam and I talked hone yesterday. So what if he doesn’t like Carl, no one really does. But Herm Edwards stood up for him and did a lot for Jared. So this is more about the payday…
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:28 pmObviously my earlier post was not about Dwayne Bowe. If that is what you guys took it for, I have severely over-estimated you mental capacity. Also, just because someone drinks does not make them an alcoholic. I drink every weekend and by the definition of my 6th grade health class, I may be an alcoholic, but in reality I’m far from it. And Jason, have you even watched a football game in your life? Your Winslow and Big Ben comments could not be more off-base. Roc, you can choke on it.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pmwatch football ALL THE TIME. EVERY GAME THATS ON. winslow did what? did ben even make the playoffs since the extension. winslows season had more to do with the surrounding cast this year but what about before
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:18 pmwinslow: 82 catches 1106 yds 5 td last season
34 gms 176 catches 2031 yds 8 tds career
roethlisberger: 3154 yds ONLY 404 att 32 tds 11 int last season
56 games 92.5 rating ONLY 908 comp in 4 yrs for 11673 yds 84 td -54int with 18 fumbles(8 lost)
Youre right bigchief they BOTH are hall of fame bound
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:30 pmthe steelers obviously try to keep big ben from doing too much and with that run game most QBS would look good
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:31 pmoh and sorry ben has not had a chance to play since he signed that 8 yr 102 million contract
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:43 pmcant find ANYTHING about a winslow ext. the guy had ONE good year and asks for more money the day before a knee scope and wont get a shoulder sugery that the team wants. come the fuck on get back in three years and let us know how that worked out for those teams
bigchief13.. Or should I say big_____13… I KNOW you aint comin’ at me. You? What?? …
“Allen was the only reason to watch the chiefs play last year”
… What kinda fan says that??? Do you not remember seeing the arrival of Dawayne Bowe? Do you NOT remember seeing Tony Gonzalez make history?? What about watching our defense become one of the best in the league?? EVERY season has its pros and DEFINITELY and OBVIOUSLY its cons…. but in your little comment you posted, you shit on your own team and fellow fans.
“This is absolutely ridiculous. Just be prepaired for the same to happen when your next favorite chief becomes a probowler and wants more money, then you can start hating him as well.”
….. Whats are the names of those other 2 guys on our team who were pro bowlers and “wanted more money”??? OH!! THATS RIGHT!! Larry Johnson! Tony Gonzalez! I dont think I ever hated them.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:11 pmDont come at me like that big_____13, I’ll back you down everytime.
So you can choke on that… big_____13.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:15 pmjust wait DJ will get signed THIS YEAR
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pm“over-estimated you mental capacity. ”
If you insult somebody’s intelligence, it’s probably not a good idea to sound like the sixth grader who thinks you’re an alcoholic.
And there is no problem with drinking every weekend. What is a problem is getting four DUIs in less than eight years or so. That probably means he has an alcohol problem, dude. Just a shot in the dark.
bigchief13, I try not to come at Chiefs fans, but if you don’t shape up the comment executioner is going to have to come out.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:38 pmYup. And why?? Cause he DESERVES it. NOT cause he put up good numbers ONE year. Cause he has progressed and become one of the most underated LBs in the league! Robbed from the Pro Bowl last year. For real. And yet… A GREAT player ON and OFF the field.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:39 pmFYI, if anybody wants to defend Jared in a post, send me a rock-solid piece and I’ll post it. You better bring it, though. E-mail me at arrowheadaddict@gmail.com with what you’ve got if you think you are up to the task. If it’s well written and thought provoking I’ll post it.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pmAdam… Take it easy bro. Theres no need for the Comment Executor! He hasnt gone too far… But if he does… I’ll hand you the axe… Unless you want me to take care of it… Cause I think people here know that I CAN. Hahaha! Ask J.D. The ViQueens fan… You can call me, the Comment Assassin.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 pmComment Executioner… my bad.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 pmGentlemen, ticket holders, and pundits,
I respect the frustration that many of you have leveled at the Chiefs and at me personally.
I appreciate your intensity and will to win.
In turn, I hope you appreciate how difficult it is for me to maintain my impeccable television image, with perfectally parted hair, camel hair blazers, and a shine from my perfect teeth. It’s hard work, and at times, I admit, is a distraction that causes me to say, well, admittedly statements that can only be considered completely asinine, foolish, and ego-driven.
Examples? Sure.
How about making the comment last year about how we’d surely draft Brady Quinn if he was there. Ok, I guess that did send a message to the Browns to trade up and get him in front of us… but hey… we’re gonna be on HBO and I need to practice my sound bites!
Another? Ok, I guess “young man at risk” was maybe best served in private, between Jared and his agent. I guess I can see how someone may be offended in the public domain… but maybe I’ll mention them on my next appearance on the NFL Network.
Finally, I do think, from a psyeudonym perspective that this deal ends up looking good, if I indeed ensure stellar picks. I’ve been watching the Chargers and the Patriots and I’m sure I can find another Jason Medlock, er… Trazelle Jenkins, er…. Sly Morris, er…. I know… Ryan “move up and take him early” Sims. Oh, wait. Never mind.
And while I’m dishing off parting salvos…. please be sure to catch my next appearance on Deal or No Deal (I’m the banker). I hope that no one ever figures out that each year we manage to end the year well under the available cap — so we can spring for more Hair Stickem. (I pray that no one well ever question me for not resigning our players and pro-rating the cap hit into the current year — and thus freeing up for other years to be active, as needed).
So enjoy… if you want to call in and listen to the strategery room on Saturday – 900-MT-AHEAD.
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:16 pmWow. He finally graces us with his presence. All hail the King…lol
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 pmGreat post. I feel for the Chiefs though. All of those picks are great, too bad that King Carl is doing the choosing.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 pmActually, he is not. He has given that responsibility to Herm and the staff. Carl is actually going to be less involved this year than he ever has been.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pmYou guys are the single most pig-headed, misunderstanding, gates in the wind. Like talking to bricks. The whole Allen trade scenario was a bad idea, it is what it is, don’t trash Allen over it, he’s an excellent player who did a ton of good while he was here. Don’t call someone an acoholic unless you know for a fact he is, “Mr. I Once Was An Alcoholic Poor Me”, you should understand that. Roc, you say I’m shitting on fans? I’m not a true Chief fan? What about you guys and your pussy stadium boycott? Thats what true fans do right. You are a bunch of hypocritical bastards. And Jason, by listing those stats you pretty much destroyed your whole arguement. Get real. No need to even reply to this comment as I am now out. Comment executioner? How old are you? I have been here for a year now and thats long enough to see that your great opinion on things changes every other day. You sure know how to stand by your comments. Good luck with your conflicting and yet repetative forums. I hope you are at least making some money for this garbage. Go Chiefs!!!!!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 pmAdam, my opinions are based on knowing him for 10 years, on understanding that he made severe mistakes and has acted to correct them, and on seeing the negotiation tactics of Peterson on each year of the restricted and unrestricted years. Jared made the mistakes and has paid for them dearly. My entire point was in reply to your piece and the huge flip-flop that has been evident on these very pages. When the trade winds blew, all of a sudden the same fans that loved him are saying he wasn’t deserving of his desired contract. My points are valid, correct and true. Enjoy the cellar of the west.
He loved it here and never held out or did anything more than ask to be traded when it was evident that CP was not going to pay. Jared respected and loved the fans of KC. They returned the favor only until it was time to pay. Then they flipped for Carl’s PR and left Jared hanging as “Not worth the money”. Wait and see…he’ll deliver (again) but in Minnesota.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:25 amCalChief,
That’s fine that you’ve known Jared for 10 years. I’ve known the Chiefs for almost 30 now, ever since I was born in K.C.’s St. Luke’s hospital. My loyalties lie with the Chiefs, not your buddy. From where I’m sitting, it doesn’t look like he ever cared that much, instead just soaking in the adulation until he got his payday. By the way, I have never said to pay Jared anything close to what he got. Just a ridiculous contract given what he’s accomplished and his track record off the field.
And there was no flip-flop here, partner. Check out my stance from one year ago: http://arrowheadaddict.com/2007/05/21/back-in-time-to-chime-in-on-allen/
Again, I wish Jared well and have no hard feelings. I just prefer the picks, the cap room and players who actually want to wear the Red and Gold.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:45 amBigChief,
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure, I guess, because we had over 5,000 unique visits today. And if it’s such garbage, then why have you been kicking it here for a year? Go start your own site and see how far that takes you.
As for my views, they only change as situations change. Ask any of our loyal readers–I’m pretty stubborn and set in my opinions and I’m definitely not a flip-flopper. I’m not a fence sitter, and not afraid to take bold stances (see Matt Ryan).
Lol…I never said I was an alcoholic, douchebag. And you know what, acts like an alcoholic, sounds like an alcoholic, I’m going to call him an alcoholic. Or at least say dude had a drinking problem. Either that or he’s just a fucking moron and wasn’t smart enough to get cabs or limos. Personally, from what I heard, dude had a drinking/partying problem. And don’t knock me for being honest about myself. I’m just saying I understand Jared, but you have to understand the Chiefs from a business standpoint, which you are obviously not willing to do.
What are you, Jared’s fucking agent? I hope he gave you a big chunk of his signing bonus for being loyal. Oh yeah, Jared could give two shits about loyalty.
And what’s wrong with boycotting buying tickets from a team that won’t spend on FAs? Carl is slowly changing our minds, but we had to send a message, whether it was received or not, that Chiefs fans will not be taken advantage of, nor accept the bare minimum. We deserve better, and we wanted to speak up on behalf of our readers. What’s more loyal than that? Pussy? I actually think it takes balls. I’ve been going to Arrowhead for three decades and hate not going to games, but I would to prove a point. And so my conscience can rest at night.
Don’t let the door hit you either. We treat our readers with respect, and have plenty of people who enjoy this site. We also enjoy our reader’s input when they are respectful, which you have not been. You are obviously more of a Jared fan than a Chiefs fan. Why don’t you go get yourself a Vikes jersey and a horn and go blow on it. I gave you a chance to defend Jared civilly, but you had to be a prick. Why? Because you knew you were coming to a gunfight with a knife and had no argument.
Hit the road, Jack. The comment executioner has struck.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:58 amZach’s right, Bill Kuharich, Herm and Ray Farmer will do the picking, with Clark and Carl signing off. It’s worked pretty well thus far.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:59 amI get the feeling big chief liked Jared and might be an America Indian as offended as he gets about alcohol. Don’t be a turn-coat bigchief! Just because you don’t agree with everything we say doesn’t mean you have to throw a fit homie!
April 24th, 2008 at 1:02 amFor those throwing the “at risk” label liberally, by the way… is there really a difference between losing a player for a full year because of DUI and losing a player for a full year because of injury?
I already cited Big Ben and Winslow as examples of “at risk” players that had stellar seasons in 2007. What about Larry Johnson–the Chiefs could have easily labeled him as “at risk” because he was run into the ground in 2006 and history showed that these 400+ carry workhorses typically get injured the following year. What about Priest Holmes, who was given a major contract extension after major hip surgery? What about Drew Brees, who was given a huge contract in spite of having a busted shoulder the year prior, then went on to have a pro bowl season?
The “at risk” label is a reason, but it’s hardly an excuse. A lot of players you sign are going to be at risk to miss an entire season of action.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:55 amwhat did i say that destroyed my point? if you cant comprehend ill simplify, ben is protected by his team in the offensive gameplan. winslow hasnt EVEN GOTTEN AN EXTENSION and talk about injury prone
April 24th, 2008 at 7:25 amthe difference with an injury is THAT THE PLAYER HAS NO CONTROL OVER IT! WITHA DUI THATS A DECISION THAT GUY MADE! ARE YOU STUPID?
April 24th, 2008 at 7:28 amEasy, Jase. Jon’s a solid part of this community, unlike, oh, bigchiefs.
I think you both have points. I do have a problem with pro athletes getting on motorcycles–wait until you retire! The injury thing is a bit of a stretch, though. They are a risk, but all NFL players share that risk, really. Some just have higher probabilities.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:02 amI couldn’t even read your entire article. I couldn’t get past your use of the term “Honkey” and your other racist language. Grow up.
April 24th, 2008 at 11:05 amI’m a racist? I’m a white guy from Springfield, MO. Get a sense of humor and get real. I just honestly think if Jared Allen were Black and L.J. were White their popularity would have been equal in K.C. I’m just being honest, which is a huge part of growing up
April 24th, 2008 at 11:30 amsorry about the stupid bigchief had me all steamed
April 24th, 2008 at 12:05 pmcarl is an idiot!!!!!!!!!!
PERIOD
April 26th, 2008 at 9:34 amWow. Adam, this is your website?
You sure make yourself look childish to the world when you get all whiny at someone posting comments in response to your article, and start using names like you did. I came across this place looking for opinions of the Jared Allen deal.
Whether you can write or not, it might help to read more carefully. That bigchief guy specifically named people like ROC and Jason and “Mr. I was an alcoholic”, and then you come back whining that he made those statements about YOU. lol.
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pmhey buddy…how bout you worry about yourself and go observe your uncle doinkin your sister…your right..this is adam’s site and this is zach’s site…and this is our site…but the 2 guys that started this all have the right to say whatever it is they feel like saying..including that you, buddy, are a fucking moron and have no reason even coming here let alone posting on a CHIEFS site…your probably a faggot ass faiders fan..or you like to ride donkeys..either way thats your choice and what is said by adam on his site should be critisized by no one
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm