Burning Question Number 3
Who will the Chiefs pick in this year’s NFL Draft?
Now, let me start off by saying I have absolutely have no idea who the Chiefs are going to draft, I know this disappoints some of you that I am unable to predict the future. However, there is good news today, the Chiefs have no idea who they will be selecting with the 5th pick in this year’s NFL Draft or any other round as far as that goes-sort of. They obviously have an idea, but they have no way of knowing for certain who the teams ahead of them will choose. Every year there is at least one team that falls in love with a player and will move up to grab him no matter the cost. Remember when Mike Ditka gave up his entire draft so he could draft Ricky Williams? Therefore, some team(s) might jump ahead of the Chiefs to grab someone they (the Chiefs) had no intention of drafting anyway thus allowing a player they covet to drop into their lap. Am I making any sense here?
This year, I believe the two players to watch out for as far as teams making significant moves to get a hold of are Darren McFadden out of Arkansas, and Vernon Gholston from The Ohio State. McFadden was a home run threat every time he touched the football his last two seasons at Arkansas. After the success of Adrian Peterson last year, teams I believe are salivating at the chance to move up and select old Darren. Vernon has been moving up the draft boards since the combine and after it as well. Gholston improved his numbers at his Pro Day forcing teams that hadn’t paid attention to him before to go back and watch tape of this athletic freak to get some idea if his athletic ability showed up on the football field. Guess what? It did. Teams place a high premium on two things in the NFL draft: ability to score touchdowns and the ability to consistently get to the quarterback. McFadden and Gholston fit the bill.
With these two players out there, and as of the time of this here writing, neither player is one of the top 5 ranked players in this year’s draft. Rankings made by pundits and TV analysts who get paid to formulate a ranking of course, not by NFL executives. Mark my words, some team will make a huge leap to get D-Mac or Gholston and this could greatly benefit the Chiefs.
By all reports the Rams have locked in on Jake Long (our guy according to me) and Glen Dorsey from LSU, taking them out to dinner and getting to know them better getting a feel for who they are and what they can bring to the Rams’ organization. Now let’s say that there is a team willing to make the Rams an offer they can’t refuse that involves them giving up the #2 pick and moving further down in the draft. They, like all teams in the top 10 picks need help at more than one position and the more draft picks, the better off they are going to be. IF, left tackle is the primary focus and they believe that there is not much difference between Jake Long and the next LT in line, then they might be willing to execute such a trade. However, if Jake Long is their man, then come hell or high water, they are picking him, period.
The wining and dining of Long could also just be a smokescreen of sorts, to make the other teams believe they are going after him, try to induce a trade. I’m sure you all know that you cannot believe a word that comes out of any mouth that is collecting a pay check from an NFL team this time of year. Right? They are playing poker with human beings and the stakes are extremely high-extremely.
Now, who will the Chiefs draft, or should I say what will they draft?
I have gone on record and I continue to profess that Jake Long is the perfect fit for the Chiefs. Offensive line is the biggest need on the Chiefs roster and Long is the best offensive lineman in the draft. If he is there at #5 the Chiefs will still wait their 15 minutes (or 10, whatever it is this year) just in case there is an offer out there too good for the Chiefs to pass on, and then the post card will be carried to Roger Goodell and you will hear “With the fifth pick in this years NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select…Jake Long, offensive tackle, Michigan.”
If he is not on the board, then I believe that means St. Louis didn’t get an offer they couldn’t live without and selected Jake at #2. I also think that Darren McFadden will be gone, either the Raiders will have drafted him, or someone moved ahead of the Chiefs and made a deal with the Faiders or the Falcons to get him. The Chiefs can only hope that someone is willing to move up to grab Gholston or even perhaps Matt Ryan, the quarterback from BC. I am one of the people that believe the Chiefs sent everybody but me and you to the Boston College pro day just to throw people off, make them think they are interested in taking him so maybe if Long is gone, someone will jump up to get him from the Chiefs. I could be dead wrong about that, they could actually have genuine interest in Ryan who is an average quarterback at best. I don’t think the Chiefs will waste the time and effort they have already invested on young Mr. Croyle only to start from square one again with a rookie QB. Call me crazy, but Matt Ryan is not the logical choice for the Chiefs.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Chiefs draft offensive lineman in at least 2 of the first 3 rounds. Jake Long in the 1st and a guard in the second. The Chiefs under Herm Edwards have been consistent in at least one thing when it comes to the draft—they don’t go away from their board. If there is a guard in the second round they believe is worthy of a 2nd round selection then I think they will pull the trigger.
I look for the rest of the draft to focus on cornerbacks, wide receivers and yes, more offensive lineman. The Chiefs need three starters on the offensive line alone going into the draft. It doesn’t make for a very exciting draft when your team drafts offensive linemen in the first couple of rounds, but the games in the NFL are won and lost by the offensive line and defensive line. Generally, whatever team dominates or controls the “trenches” wins the game, Herm knows this, and he knows that is why his Chiefs lost 12 games last year–no one to open holes for the running back(s) and no one to protect the quarterback. The Chiefs have done nothing in free agency to sure up the offensive line, so look for the Chiefs to draft at least 3-4 offensive lineman this year.
It may not be a very exciting draft for Chiefs fans this year, but I for one will be jumping up and down screaming at the top of my lungs if the Chiefs draft Jake Long in the first round this year. I will also be screaming at the top of my lungs this year if they don’t-the words will just be a little different.
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Jake Long is the pick people lately seem to be saying the Rams want, but they keep ignoring two crucial factors…how much money the Rams already have tied up in Alex Barron and Orlando Pace (which would end up making one of those players a drastically overpaid guard) and how many issues the Rams have along the defensive line (their defense was a sieve last year and Leonard Little is old and coming off a major injury). Unless they trade Orlando Pace (which would cause a significant cap hit next year as he still has three or four more years remaining on a roughly $8 million per contract) or Barron (unlikely considering that he’s young and productive) I don’t see the Rams taking Jake Long in a OT heavy draft when they have defensive linemen available that they don’t have to reach for with the number 2 pick. They can fill that need in the second round. I believe this is a bluff and the Rams will take whoever’s available out of Glenn Dorsey and Chris Long.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:49 amAnd considering the depth of quality tackles in this year’s draft (often a tough spot to fill) I doubt the Chiefs will snag a guard with anything higher than a third-round pick. There are going to be quality tackles available at our pick in round 2 who would be first-round picks in most draft years. The guard class isn’t all that great and most of them would be a reach at the 2nd round. Damion McIntosh (our current projected tackle starter) is old and he sucks so there’s no way the Chiefs go guard if they can snag Anthony Collins (KU) or Sam Baker (USC)…or both.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:54 amI am also in the draft Jake Long camp. He is definitely a franchise tackle and Matt Ryan might be a franchise QB, but I doubt it. I think Herm doubts it as well. He has already expressed before that he doesn’t think there is a franchise qb in this draft. I have been searching the internet trying to find a quote from Chan Gailey while he was at Georgia Tech that would up Ryan’s cred. There are a few words of praise, but nothing so glowing that makes me believe he is lobbying hard to pick him up at Number 5, and Gailey had plenty of time to see Ryan while coaching in the ACC. No, I believe that sending damn near everyone in the Chiefs organization to BC’s pro day was a ploy to induce B’more or maybe Chicago to try and trade up in this year’s draft.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:38 amI think it’s time to have another readers mock and this time lets have it include the 2nd round……By the way I like everything in this post except for the 2nd round guard thing…..I agree with UCrawford that you take a Baker and either make him a guard this year or move D McIntosh to the inside….Overall though this is the way I see it going as well
March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 amif you watched anything on ryan’s pro day they talked to herm and he said ryan was probably a little intimidated by all the scouts that were there the next quote was ryan saying herm was wrong and he was not intimidated at all!! so already they are not on the same page is that what we really want in a QB/HC relationship???
March 24th, 2008 at 9:39 amSteven, I’m going to have to treat you just like I do the commenters? Give me a reason why Matt Ryan is average at best? The talent around him was average at best other than Cherilus, and yet he won 10 games the past two years. Man, Chiefs fans are tipsy on that Jake Long Kool-Aid. He’s not going to be there.
And, yes, games are won in the trenches. But Super Bowls are won because of who’s under center (Eli, Peyton, Big Ben and Tom). Over the course of the past five years, that is an undisputable fact.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:32 amone name……Trent Dilfer…..yeah he won it too…on defense and a sound running game…..it can be done
March 24th, 2008 at 10:43 amAdam - what special thing seperates Ryan?….I can tell you about McFaddens break away speed and home run ability, C. Longs amazing ability to play at a high level even in the 4th Quarter and understanding of the game, J. Longs mean streak and ability to get to the 2nd level when run blocking, Dorseys ability to dominate the line even when triple teamed, and Ellis’ speed and quick hands allowing him to easily peel through an O-Line…….What is so special about Ryan…..I can’t point out many things that make him a “bad” quarterback but I also can’t point out many things that make him a top 5 pick - it’s the fact that there are 2-3 others that are at the same level that will be there in the 2nd round that makes me feel we don’t take him….Isn’t that your rationale for passing on J Long - the fact that Baker will be there in the 2nd?……I know you want reasons why to pass on him - well he it comes…..If I am taking a QB in the top 5 I want a mobile QB - Ryan is not mobile…..I want my QB to have arm strength - Ryan does not and don’t fight me on this because many scouts have said he gets INT’s on the big throws because he doesn’t have the strength…..Also I want a QB who makes good decisions while under pressure - the jury is still out on this one to me, some people say he is Matty Ice and others say he makes mistakes like Brett Favre does……I don’t know how you will react to this post, I just know you have wanted answers and up till now no one including me is giving it to you
March 24th, 2008 at 11:04 amHypothetical…
My picks:(did a big writeup on this in blueprint2)
1st–S. Ellis
1st–R. Clady
2nd–B. Brohm
3rd–Herm’s favorite corner
(loose 1st and 2nd in 2009)
Adam’s picks:(I think)
1st–M. Ryan
2nd–S. Baker/G. Charillus
(no loss 2009)
Either one is probably a lot better than whats gona really happen come 30 days from now. I guess im trying to get a feel wheter you guys like the idea of trading up and sacrificing the 2nd pick in 2009 to get our 1st pick in 2009 early (in 08) considering the deep OT and QB class. Just wana bounce that off ya.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:26 amMasterBlaster - You better get a sure thing if you trade next years 2nd
It worked out OK for the Browns, but bad for San Fran
March 24th, 2008 at 11:34 amYah I hear ya Dave. It is a gamble. But look at it this way. Lets say the browns did what they were supposed to do last year. Lets say they took Quinn in the first and someone good in the second. Now you dont have Joe Thomas protecting the blind side. Anderson doesnt quite shine as much, and Quinn is thrown into the starting roll. Quinn has a pretty good year even without good blind side protection and they finish say 8-8. They are then at the middle of the draft in 08. They can probably pick up an Otah 1st round somewhere in the middle. So I guess the question is…what is the better scinereo?
Also, in the BluePrint 2 article I replaced the giant super blob post 35 with post 90. post 90 is much much easier to read than 35. Adam, in the interest of space on your server, feel free to replace post 35 with post 90. And all you guys reading this…go read post 90!
March 24th, 2008 at 12:14 pmDave, Joe Staley was a starter at tackle for the Niners, so it didn’t work out that bad, especially at seven. Two picks earlier and it would have been a nightmare, though.
As for Clady, Master, we simply cannot have a LT who scored a 13 on his Wonderlic. Vince Young scored a 16, and since he’s not the smartest dude around by a long shot, that basically makes Clady mentally handicapped. I also like Ryan Collins and Chris Williams as well.
As for Ryan and what separates him. First off, winning. He won in the ACC despite not having great talent around him. Flacco played at Deleware, and Brohm and Henne couldn’t win as seniors. Second, he actually impressed with his better-than-expected mobility at his Pro Day. Several pundits/scouts said it was better than the Mannings, better than Carson Palmer. He’s fine there. Third, his poise. They don’t call him Matty Ice for no reason.He’s got great leadership. Great size (6′5″, almost 220 pounds). Went 26-6 as a starter, which is phenomenal. The 32 on his Wonderlic. He’s got a great, steady pocket presence, unlike Croyle. He’s accurate, though he does take chances, which I like in a QB (see Favre, Delhomme, Elway). He just has that trademark confidence that screams franchise quarterback. It’s all there.
I love the kid. Could go on about him all day long. Most of all, I think he’s a winner. I don’t feel the same way about Brohm and Henne at all. At all. And Flacco hasn’t proven that he can win against the best, so…that is the big reason Matty Ice goes early. He has all the intangibles, plus he can lead an average group to victory against top-notch competition.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:19 pmGood info, Adam. But, im still wondering how much the Wonderlic matters for an OT. He seems to have done fine, skill wise, in college. Are pro offensive moves that much more complicated than college ones? I really am not sure. And I was wondering, is there was a place you could look at wonderlic scores of previous pro OT’s. Is there a major corilation between OT success and wonderlic scores?
March 24th, 2008 at 12:37 pmFirst - I totally disagree on the Mobility thing - One good Pro day does not erase 3 seasons of limited ability. The scouts questioned his mobility for a reason and I only judge things on the football field.
Next this is a team sport - Look, I know there is something to be said for how well Ryan did with what was around him. But lets not throw aside anyone from a losing team!
I don’t put much stock in the Wonderlic
Stop comparing him to Croyle with me - I don’t like Croyle either
March 24th, 2008 at 12:43 pmDan Marino, Randall Cunningham and Jim Kelly all scored a 15 on the Wonderlic test. Vinny Testaverde scored a 17. Jeff George scored 10. Anthony Dilweg scored 36. John Dutton scored 38. Whatever it is that Wonderlic measures, its relationship to the ability to play football in the NFL is purely coincidental.
http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic.htm
As for the first five picks, assuming all players are healthy and there are no trade-ups I see it going 1) Chris Long (because it’s Parcells and he loves talent, a good attitude and defense, defense, defense), 2) Glenn Dorsey (because the Rams need defensive linemen desperately, their o-line is already decent this year, and their o-line was only bad last year because of a freakish number of injuries), 3) Matt Ryan (because the Falcons are desperate for a QB, he’s not too much of a reach for them and they can snag an offensive lineman later), 4) Darren McFadden (because Al Davis is a star-f***er when it comes to big-play makers), 5) Jake Long (because the guys ahead of us have other critical needs and top-five talent available to fill those needs).
March 24th, 2008 at 1:23 pmMy two cents….. let’s get real, Steven is right, even the Chiefs do not know who they are going to select with their first pick at this point…… I am confident that they will do their absolute best with what they have. They will have many contingent plans. I do not like Herm’s offensive philosphy, but I do like his drafting philosophy: “look at the tape and evlauate based on that!”; can they play football?” ……….. (prime example is Hali)…. I take exception to “The Landry Hat’s” previous comment on another thread that Tamba Hali is over rated (or something to that effect). Tamba has had 8 sacks each year (16 sacks/couple of forced fumbles and even an int in two years). That is pretty good! Especially, since we watch all the games, he comes so close to getting additional sacks and puts a lot of pressure on the QB even if he does not always get there. I doubt that “The Landry Hat” is watching all the Chiefs’ games (nor do I expect him to). The point being is whatever player we get at #5 he will be pretty good based upon Herm/Kullich’s last drafts. I trust the CHiefs. We will get better.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:28 pmThe thing I like about Tamba Hali is that he is always around the ball no matter where it is. Even if they throw the ball 10 yards down the field he will be in on the play. Hard worker and only a third year player. I expect him to only get better next year.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pmUCrawford, Eli Manning scored a 39 and just won a Super Bowl. I think you have to look at the Wonderlic. Personally, unless the guy just really came across as intelligent in an interview, I would never draft an offensive lineman, a QB, a LB or a safety who scored below a 20 early on in the draft. You have to have intelligence, and intelligence under pressure and stress, to excel at those spots. Don’t underestimate the Wonderlic.
Roethlisberger scored a 25, which means the past four Suoer Bowl QBs averaged a 31.5, right below what Brohm and Ryan scored. The game is as complicated as it has ever been, and you have to be really sharp as a QB nowadays with all those exotic defensive schemes, not to mention offensive playbooks that are like the Bible meets War and Peace.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pmWhy? Because with 50 players under contracts, that leaves 30 spots open on the roster that will go to River Falls at the end of July. A good number of those 30 spots will be held by rookies, either those selected a month from now in the NFL Draft, or those signed after the selection meeting as college free agents.
That’s why Edwards altered the schedule on his off-season program, pushing back the on-field OTA team sessions to late May and early June, after the draft and when all players will be available to work with the team. Those sessions will start on May 19th.
“I think people understand now that we said we were going to re-build this roster through the draft and we are sticking to that plan,” Edwards said. “There’s also no question that we are going to have a number of rookies in our starting lineup come September.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:20 pmthat is from an article on kcchiefs.com
March 24th, 2008 at 2:21 pmthat just tells you..we arent planin on anything till the draft…sucks ..but they have a plan
March 24th, 2008 at 2:23 pmAnd thinking that Jake Long is going to slip to five is pretty wishful thinking. He could, but counting on it will leave you disappointed. Same as counting on Brodie to develop. He could, but I wouldn’t bet on it in a million years.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pmThey better not eff up the draft then. If they want the Best Bros. to call off the boycott they are going to have to pull off a draft that makes fireworks shoot out of our asses.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:32 pmI agree that the wonderlic is important for QBs. I’m still on the fence with it being that important for the O-Line or D-Line.
A thought just kinda occured to me. I know the draft, especially at the top end, is a big poker game. I play poker semi-pro in vegas. So im wondering. Why haven’t any of the owners, GMs, or coaching staff of any of the teams in the top 5 tipped their hand to what they are going to pick. It would seem to me that might be a good move to drum up interest in teams looking to trade up or to throw a wrench in the plans of a team with needs. Take the faders for instance. Would it be in their interest to say “if DMC falls to us we are definately taking him”. Wouldnt you drum up a frenzy in teams looking to trade up for him? Kinda the same concept as an Ebay auction…sometimes people will end up paying a lot more for an item than they originally would cause they got caught up in the competition of the bidding war. There might be reasons Owners, GMs, and coaches dont do this, and if you guys know I would like to hear it. Oh…and in poker this would be the equivolent of “representing a hand”.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:57 pmAdam,
You’re saying, then, that you’d pass on Dan Marino, Derek Anderson, David Garrard, Dante Culpepper, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Neil O’Donnell, Jeff George, Jim Kelly, Vinny Testaverde, Randall Cunningham, and Terry Bradshaw? That’s an awful big limitation to put on your team, particularly when highly touted (and physically gifted) QBs like Rick Mirer, David Klingler, Drew Henson, and Alex Smith all scored very high on Wonderlic and did/have done nothing to indicate that they’re capable of running an NFL-caliber offense.
By the way, Eli Manning won in large part because of his defense…not because he was a great QB. He may be great someday but up to now he’s been a pretty mediocre and inconsistent QB. Up until the playoffs this year, you’d be hard-pressed to find a Giants fan who didn’t agree.
Ultimately all mock drafts are wishful thinking because none of us are the NFL GMs making the picks and none of us can predict the future. But I gave reasonable arguments as to why the first five picks would unfold the way I said they would so my wishful thinking is as valid as anyone else’s best-reasoned gloom-and-doom scenarios.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:12 pmMasterBlaster,
Because identifying critical team needs in the first round can tip off another team to what you may want to draft in the second. Besides, once it gets to the draft most teams know what they want and what they’re going to go after. There are five constants in any NFL draft:
1) At least one team in the first round is going to reach and do a “WTF!?!” pick based on need.
2) Several more teams are going to reach slightly less to draft for need instead of best player available.
3) Some last minute injury or character concerns are going to screw up some major prospect’s draft position by scaring everyone off.
4) The injury/character concerns and the “WTF!?!” and need picks are going to screw up everybody else’s draft boards, rendering any projections beyond the top five to ten guys a total crap shoot.
5) Most of the teams are probably lying about their intentions in the first place in the hopes they’ll screw up somebody else’s draft.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pmGeez oh Whiz…sorry I haven’t gotten back on here to comment some, but my work has blocked the comments page from me…I can’t post anything now…killing me.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pmAdam– How many int’s did he have this year? He is no better than Henne out of Michigan or Brohm from Louiville. There has to be a “franchise” quarterback every year in the draft, whether the player deserves it or not. I watched him play several times-does he have a strong arm? Of course. But obviously he has a problem developing when it comes to reading defenses. I just think he is another 1st round bust waiting to happen.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:54 pmAdam, come on! You think Eli is better than Tom Brady by that last statement you just made? The defensive line of the G Men dominated the offensive line of the Pats, that’s what won the game. And please pass me another cup of kool aid sir.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:56 pmUCrawford and BA–Nice comments, well thought out.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:57 pmGood piece here Steven. I think we’re on the same side here.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:15 pmThanks KCMizzou, we’ll just have to hope the St. Louis is blowing some smoke…and KC as well with Ryan.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:55 pmIndeed. Wouldn’t be the first time. I’m still keeping my fingers crossed.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pmI’m absolutely positive KC’s blowing smoke with Ryan, and 90% positive St. Louis is doing so with Jake Long.
Referencing my earlier comment about late injury scare…looks like this year’s victim may be Malcolm Kelly and his “bad knees”
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4656
March 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pmSteven, Tom Brady scored a 33 on his Wonderlic, so no I don’t think that Eli is better. You obviously drastically misunderstood my intent there.
UCrawford, if I was a GM, that indeed would be my rule.
Tom Brady: 33
Ben Roethlisberger: 25
Peyton Manning: 29
Eli Manning: 39
It is clear that in this day and age, when the game is more complex than ever before, that quarterbacks need to be highly intelligent. The game has changed and progressed considerably. Keep in mind that wouldn’t be the only variable I looked at by any means. It would, however, be among the most important aspects of my decision. The Chiefs like ‘em well behaved, I’d like them packing a pocket protector.
And Eli Manning was the best quarterback in the playoffs. Period. The guy was fantastic. In my eyes, he’s stopped turning the ball over and evolved into one of the game’s best. That happened from the start of last season to the end of the Super Bowl. He definitely turned the corner, from pretty good to great. I watched and saw the transformation with my own two eyes. It was obvious. It was all about confidence, and all the road wins and that Week 17 Pats game gave him what he needed.
I do like your read on the draft, though.
As for Long and likely Ryan, too, my brother is right–they will both likely be gone. Which means…
The Blueprint 3
Even rap record-producing machine Jay-Z didn’t go there.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:53 pmGreat Post UCrawford. The quantum physics approach to the real draft. It will be something like that. Whats your outladish prediction for WTF pick? I vote the Bears trade 1st and 2nd in 09 for M. Rayan…that feels pretty WTF.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:29 pmdoes anyone know the average wonderlic score of the players on say the pats? i would assume that’s a good team way of philosophy to emulate
March 24th, 2008 at 7:11 pmAdam,
I’ll take Dan Marino (Wonderlic 15) over every one of those players you just named. He ran a complex offense with an often mediocre supporting cast and he was the only thing keeping Don Shula from going 4-12 or 5-11 every year after the Dolphins stupidly gave him control of player personnel.
As for Eli, yeah, he had a great 4 game stretch in the playoffs. In the 16 game regular season he also had 3,336 yards (12th in NFL), 23 TDs (11th in NFL) vs. 20 INTs (tied for most in NFL) with a 56.1% completion percentage (29th in NFL), threw for under 100 yards against the Dolphins and posted 6.31 yards per attempt (28th in NFL). Gosh…I’d sure like to build my team around that guy and his wonderful Wonderlic score.
By way of contrast, his brother has never thrown for a completion percentage that low (and hasn’t been under 60% since his rookie year), has never thrown so few touchdowns or for so little yardage, and actually decreased his interceptions thrown since his rookie year (Eli’s INTs have increased every season). Peyton is a great QB…Eli is an average QB who just happened to hit a hot streak at the right time.
I’m hoping my scenario works out, mainly because I’m trying to stay optimistic without being insane…but honestly, since none of us work for the NFL (I’m assuming) we’re pretty much all just guessing so you may be right as well. Miami may decide to rebuild the offense first. Or Atlanta may decide that Matt Ryan’s not a franchise QB and take Jake Long to open holes for Michael Turner (although that would mean another season of Joey and Redman). Or the Raiders may take him just to piss us off because Al Davis is insane and nobody knows what the guy’s going to do. I just think that my scenario makes the most sense given the history and the situation of the people choosing ahead of us and it just so happens that it would be the best scenario for us. But then again I’ve picked KU to win the NCAA tournament every single year they were eligible…so I may not be the most impartial judge in predicting the future.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pmMasterBlaster,
I could see the Baltimore Ravens really screwing up and taking Brian Brohm with their first rounder. They’re desperate for a QB and Ozzie Newsome has been a little off his game lately it seems. That would be a WTF!?! pick of epic proportions.
Ultimately, though, WTF!?! picks can’t really be predicted, otherwise they wouldn’t be WTF!?! picks
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pmI mean…last year you probably never would have figured Miami would take Tedd McGinn over Brady Quinn when they were so desperate for a QB and he was available…particularly since Brady was a far better prospect than McGinn.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pmMueller…Mueller…anyone? That explains Ginn.
As for Marino, Peyton won a Super Bowl, Tom Brady three, so no way I take him over those two. I agree about taking him over Big Ben and Eli, though. If Eli wins again then I will take that back, and it is definitely possible he does. He won a Super Bowl and won more games on the road than any QB ever. I WILL build my team around that guy.
Ahhh…we’re not getting anywhere. looks like I’m going to the agree-to-disagree card. I put stock in the Wonderlic. Obviously, teams do to or the test wouldn’t be administered.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:00 pmAdam- I took your comment;
And, yes, games are won in the trenches. But Super Bowls are won because of who’s under center (Eli, Peyton, Big Ben and Tom). Over the course of the past five years, that is an undisputable fact.
To say SB’s are won with who is under center, and that’s not the case, especially last year IMO. Has nothing to do with the wonderlic test. The wonderlic has zero meaning when determining if a player can play quarterback or any other position. Where is Fitzpatrick now?
March 25th, 2008 at 4:07 amAdam,
“As for Marino, Peyton won a Super Bowl, Tom Brady three, so no way I take him over those two.”
Marino’s only failing was that he couldn’t play all 22 positions and that Don Shula (great coach though he was) was a rotten GM who couldn’t assemble a defense or draft a decent running back. Nobody could have won a Super Bowl with those teams.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:45 amGinn…how in the hell do I brainfart and add a Mc onto his name? Probably because I keep mixing up his name with that actor who kills off shows, Ted McGinley.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:50 amHerm has already set us up to be let down…remember when he said “we’re gonna get a bunch of guys you never heard of…”(cough…cough Devard Darling)
wait until draft day, because we’ll all be watching and saying what the fuck are the Chiefs doing? - Like we do every year. Aside from our 1st pick, I’m not even going to watch because its going to be a trainwreck.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pm“Never heard of” isn’t Latin for “re-building” it is gm/coachspeak for CHEAP.