Jan 4, 2014; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith (11) celebrates after throwing a pass for a touchdown during the second quarter of the 2013 AFC wild card playoff football game against the Indianapolis Colts at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Andrew Weber-USA TODAY Sports

Has The Alex Smith Trade Been Worth It?


Around this time last year we were debating whether or not it was a good move to trade two second round picks for Alex Smith, and if it was a good idea to still select a quarterback with a high round draft pick. There was plenty of debate about Geno Smith, who was widely considered to be the best quarterback in the draft. Some thought the Chiefs should still take him with the number one overall pick.

As things turned out, Geno Smith would have been available to the Chiefs with their original second round pick had the Chiefs not traded it to San Francisco. There were some who claimed the Chiefs botched the Alex Smith trade because they could have had Geno Smith in the second round, but instead of using one second round pick on the top quarterback in the draft, the Chiefs used two second round picks to acquire Alex Smith.

Nearly a full year later the Chiefs are coming off a surprising 11-win season and a playoff berth, a season that would not have happened if Alex Smith wasn’t the quarterback. Much of Kansas City’s hope to return to the playoffs in 2014 rests on the notion Alex Smith is the Chiefs quarterback. It should also be noted there has not been a lot of moaning this off season about trying to find a better quarterback. The focus instead has been on finding better receivers and a free safety.

Meanwhile, Geno Smith struggle in his rookie season and the New York Jets signed Michael Vick to potentially replace him.

The question now is whether or not the Chiefs made the right decision to send two second round picks to San Francisco for Alex Smith. Having a second round pick in this year’s draft would be extremely useful but there is no way the Chiefs would be in playoff contention if Geno or someone else was the Chiefs quarterback.

On the other hand, the Chiefs could have punted the quarterback question until this year and had a top five pick again in the draft. A top five pick this year could potentially have involved Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, or Johnny Manziel going to the Chiefs. A quarterback plus a high second round pick to select one of the top wide receivers in this year’s draft would have been nice. Plus, Kansas City would have had a second round pick in last year’s draft where they could have selected Justin Hunter, Zach Ertz, Giovani Bernard, or Kiko Alonso.

The ‘what if” scenarios are endless. So we ask you, Addicts: A year removed from the Alex Smith trade, did the Chiefs make the right decision? Vote in the poll and let us know your reasoning in the comments.

Did the Chiefs make the right decision to trade for Alex Smith?

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  • tazer15

    Good…….trade…..

    • freshmeat62

      You’re a Dances W/ Wolves fan aren’t you?

      • Bdiddy

        You gotta picture it being said with a buffalo rib in hand and grease all over his face…

    • micah stephenson

      Bad trade. I would’ve offered sf 1 3rd rd pick take it or leave it.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        The compensation WAS too high at the time. I said the same thing. In retrospect, he was worth those two picks.

        • micah stephenson

          I’m not denying he was worth 2 picks if you trying to sell tickets, which I understand money is the bottom line. But I don’t feel like he was worth it if you trying to build a dominating team that can win for the next 5-6 years. Of corse we not tryin to do that. We got to just win enough to sell tickets and Alex is good enough for that.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Tickets weren’t selling before Alex Smith came to town? The final home game, in the dead of winter, with a 2-13 team, had an announced attendance of nearly 63,000. What are you talking about?

            And what better way to build a competitive team than to secure a talented quarterback with a skillset perfectly suited to your offensive system? One who is efficient, smart, and a great leader? One who has steadily improved and progressed with stability and a coaching staff that wants and believes in him?

          • KCMikeG

            Just more delusional thinking. Reality – Our OL was in flux, it was a new city, team/system/coach, our WR’s leave much to be desired and our TE’s were a MASH unit. Yet Alex Smith just kept getting better and Reid kept opening up the playbook and we averaged over 32 points a game (inc. back ups week #17) over the last eight weeks including the AFC WC game. This is the third year in a row that he has taken (2011 & 2013) or had his team on their way (2012) to the playoffs. A Super Bowl game was stolen from him by Williams. How blind can one be to the truth?

          • micah stephenson

            Cmon dude. You oviously just like to argue. You know one more yr of Romeo and Cassel was not gone sell tickets. Bring in Reid and Smith. That shud get us to 8-8 where can sell the fans on “just wait till next yr”

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Only they won 11 games and made the postseason. Terrible plan.

          • KCMikeG

            Come on dude! Stop with the reality.

  • Travis Forsyth

    Alex of geno??? Hmm. I’ll take alex smith.

    • micah stephenson

      I’d take my Chances with Geno. Geno ended the yr winning 3 of 4 games and had the 2nd best qB rating of that period. Walter football has them drafting wrs this yr, stating that the jets “had the worst wrs in the nfl”. Also the jets offense sucks. I didn’t see Alex do anything that Geno couldn’t do. We didn’t get Geno so I’m on to this yrs QBs. Mayby we get Bridgewater or Carr this year.

      • Mr. ALWAYS RIGHT

        Geno over Alex? Are you shitting me? Alex has the best QB winning percentage over the last 3 seasons of any QB. Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rogers included. Geno’s QB rating was better because they ran the ball a lot more setting up the defense and the fact that the passes he did complete were simple slant routes types that any high school QB could complete. Alex is a proven WINNER and Geno is a proven ego driven loser. The Chiefs aren’t drafting a QB in the first round. So if we get either one of those guys it will be because the fall to the late 3rd round.

      • Travis Forsyth

        Alex was constituent all year, geno was alternating wins and losses just about every week

        • micah stephenson

          You are comparing an 8 yr vet to a rookie. Give Geno a yr or two.

          • Bdiddy

            He won’t have that long…

          • micah stephenson

            If a bum like Alex got 8 yrs, I’m sure Geno gets a yr or two.

      • KCMikeG

        Don’t worry Micah! I’m sure we will get another shot at Geno after the Jets get rid of him. Sanchez anyone? No thanks I’ll take proven NFL performer with playoff game winning experience.

  • mnelson52

    Alex all the way

    • mnelson52

      I was against this trade, but I will admit when I’m wrong.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Good on you. Some are wed to their opinions of Alex Smith.

  • Jeremy

    Alex is the man! I could be happier to have him in chiefs red. He’s a winner

  • Larry Devore

    one word. Playoffs. worth the 2 2nds.

    • micah stephenson

      Playoffs what? What about playoff wins???

      • PunjabiPete

        Talk to the defense.

    • Chuck Burrell

      I think it takes two words to be worth it. Playoff wins (plural)

      • Mr. ALWAYS RIGHT

        It wasn’t Alex Smith’s fault we lost that playoff game. it was the garbage Defense! Smith played like an All Pro QB

        • Chuck Burrell

          Agreed

        • micah stephenson

          And Smith’s fumble leading to an easy colts 7 and lack of production in the 3rd qt had nothing to do with it?

          • Bdiddy

            So…you are saying that it was his fault for losing the ball when getting pounded from behind in the process of being sacked…and the 44 points he and the other 10 of his “O” put up in the rest of the game wasn’t good enough?

            Strange sense of accountability if I may say so…

            BTW – Did AS11 somehow will the fumble Berry knocked lose at the GL to bounce gratuitously into Luck’s hands too? I mean, surely we can find a way to blame everything bad about that game on Alex if we try…can’t we? (You don’t mind me calling you “surely”, do you)

          • jackie

            The nature of envy is that one cannot tolerate the success of another. Thus the skewed analysis. Meanwhile those who know a bit about football are making arrangements to sign Smith to a long term contract. And credit those who have admitted their mistake about Alex with real character.

          • KCMikeG

            Couldn’t have said it better!

        • trinity

          Lol and I’m sure we can all agree that “all pro” is very far outside of his range. Alex Smith is simply a game manager. Sure he played well in that game. But considering they lost, one can easily argue that even Alex’s very best is not enough when his defense can’t close the deal for him. He is simply not a guy that can carry a team, so don’t delude yourself into thinking he is some great, elite QB. hahaha that is laughable actually

          • micah stephenson

            Wow! Somebody who is not a zombie! Hurry up! Come with me before they bite you! Lol

          • trinity

            Lol! I know man, these guys are delusional

  • nathan82

    It was worth it, but I still think the Chiefs could have gotten him for less. It is really difficult to judge as we don’t know who the Chiefs would have taken. I know that we all love draft picks, but the unknown element is always dangerous. Look at the qbs drafted in the last few years. The bust much more often than they pan out. We have a known qb who can lead this team for years to come. The Jets will be drafting another qb next year.

    • micah stephenson

      Actually the will b drafting wrs to put around Geno. They have nothing at wr.

      • Mr. ALWAYS RIGHT

        Blaming it on the WRs is a bullshit excuse. Chiefs have ONE good reciever and that is a guy who drops half the passes thrown his way. Most receptions on the Chiefs last year were from Jamal Charles. So Alex didn’t have any WRs either. But he still managed to lead us to an 11 win season and a playoff appearance.

        • berttheclock

          Plus, Charles had the second most Yards After the Catch (669 yards) in the league. DeMaryius Thomas only beat him by 36 yards.

          • micah stephenson

            What did you expect with Captain Checkdown at QB?

          • KCMikeG

            Come on Micah you know that’s Reid’s plan. Why keep blaming Alex?

        • micah stephenson

          Well I was just on Walter football (which I assume knows more than me) and they said and I qoute “Geno had absolutely nothing at wr”. Could you imagine how bad Alex Smith would look if Holmes and Cotchery was his starters?

          • Bdiddy

            I think it’s safe to assume just about everybody that has posted here tonight knows more than you…I wonder what Walter football would say about our receiving corps? Probably would declare them world beaters to the last man…

          • micah stephenson

            Lol. Funny. Walter would prolly say Bowe is good, Avery is decent, Mcluster is decent, Jenkins is a 1st rd pick, Hemminingway can catch, hmmm, why can’t they get they offense going? Another wr would help but a better QB would more.

          • KCMikeG

            Why can’t they get the offense going? What planet are you on? The offense averaged over 32 points a game over the last eight games.

          • micah stephenson

            Your a stats guy. You do know over the last 8 weeks we played some low ranked pass defenses, low ranked overall defenses, and some banged up defense. When we play good defenses we don’t look so good.

          • KCMikeG

            Always with the excuses on why we aren’t any good. Don’t give credit to AS11 developing chemistry with receivers, getting more comfortable with the system or Reid opening up the playbook more. Only bad defenses with big ole’ owie’s. We played the donkeys, dolts and colts twice – all playoff teams. Why don’t you discount PM’s or Phyllis’ performances since they played our weak/injured defense twice over the same period?

          • micah stephenson

            We are not talking bout pm or pr. We talking bout ASS11.

          • KCMikeG

            Nice work ignoring what I said about AS11.

            The point in bringing up PM & PR is you throw them up as being so awesome yet ignore the fact that they played each others’ and our bad defense but discount AS11′s improving performance due to playing against those same weak defenses.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            This is why it’s tough to take you seriously. Jerricho Cotchery hasn’t played for the Jets since 2010 (Geno Smith’s sophomore season at WVU).

          • micah stephenson

            Well the other wr sucked so bad I forgot his name. It was lil 5’9 Kerley. You knew who I was talking bout. Same point tho. Can you imgine Smith with Holmes and Kerley at wr? The jets are on they way! Drafted Geno, signed Eric Decker, prolly will draft the wr we could have got a few picks before we pick.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Cotchery’s 6’1, 200 lbs. I’m not sure how you confused him with 5’9, 188-pound Kerley.

          • micah stephenson

            I didn’t mean to say Cotchery. I meant Kerly. Cotcher prolly just jumped out my head from being an old jets wr. Point still the same.

      • Jason Seibel

        Geno is not even going to start. They brought in Vick who after prison and ten years older is still a better QB than Geno.

        • micah stephenson

          That’s debatable on who is better. Ny is smart. Loading up on QB. Mayby one day we will do the same. Vick hasn’t started all 16 games in a loooong time and only signed a1 yr deal. Thats more of a back up qb type contract.

      • nathan82

        I was trying to exaggerate to make the point that the Jets QB position is still in major flux and no in house answer is definite. Geno may pan out, but it is clear the Jets are not 100% confident in that. But your point is well made.

  • berttheclock

    YES

  • freshmeat62

    Not yet. But if they have him for 3-4 more years, then yes. To me 1 Playoff game doesn’t justify 2 2nd rd picks. I’m glad they didn’t draft Geno Smith or wait for this year to take a QB. I’m not that impressed w/ any of them. We’d probably be waiting 3-4 more years for one of them to finally turn the corner, and then we’d be in the same boat we were last year looking for a new QB.

  • micah stephenson

    When

    • Matt Wink

      Two 2nd round picks wasn’t going to get us a QBOTF either. Let’s be fair here, we aren’t winning the superbowl, nor even our division until Manning retires. Having Alex here to get us to the playoffs, and get some excitement going is going to attract free agents and make the chiefs a team players want to play for. Being stuck with an average QB like Geno just creates a perpetual cycle of mediocrity. Having a seasoned veteran in the short term while we wait for the long term answer is what this team needed.

      • micah stephenson

        BAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! LMAO!!!!! Attract free agents! Lol. Like we did with E. Sanders. Who say’s I want to go play with ALEX SMITH? LOL. If I was a wr, the last guy I want at QB is Smith.

        • Matt Wink

          We have no salary cap to attract free agents now. Look at Desean Jackson, if we had the money to dish out, he would have given us serious consideration. Smith is a top 15 quarterback whether you like it or not. The guy made the pro-bowl. I’m not saying he is going to take us to a dynasty but he’s definitely better than half of the league. And like I said, until Manning leaves we arent winning the AFCW. What’s the point in drafting a guy like Geno to lead us to consistent 6-10 seasons?

          • micah stephenson

            So the wrs have the choice to play with Manning, Rivers, Shaub, and Smith, and the Chiefs have no money. How we gone attract the free agents again? Lol

        • toperspective

          Not the last guy but it’s true that WR’s won’t put up big numbers with AS.

          • berttheclock

            Yeah, to win the SB, a QB has to have wide outs with really big numbers. Russell Wilson only threw for 49 more yards than Alex Smith, last season. Yes, his two wide outs, Tate and Baldwin, did better than Bowe, but, AS threw the ball around to more receivers, in fact, Charles was his leading receiver.

            Would we even have this discussion if Russell Wilson was the QB for the Chiefs?

          • micah stephenson

            Seattle is also a run run and run some more team. We are a pass 1st team and Alex still didn’t have big numbers. If Russel was in a pass 1st offense, he would have bigger numbers. Also Russel is hella young and just starting to scratch the surface of his potential. Alex….well….idk how much better he is gone get. Prolly not much. Only hope is for the other 10 guys to play at a probowl level.

          • KCMikeG

            Actually it is the design of Reid’s WCO to prefer the RB and TE position. Look at the list of leading receivers in Philly under Reid = RB and/or TE with an occasional appearance by a WR. My question is why does it matter what position catches the most TD’s or gets the most yards?

          • micah stephenson

            I don’t care about who catches what and yards. I just want a top notch Playmaking QB. A QB that makes whatever wr out there better. Not a QB where the other 10 players have to play at a probowl bowl level , the d has to hold the team to 17 or under, and the special teams or d has to score a td for him to look good.

          • KCMikeG

            So we had 10 ProBowlers on our offense? Guess I missed that? And you do care or you wouldn’t be complaining about ole’ gimp foot Sanders not wanting to be here. It is Reid’s offensive system that you are criticizing Alex Smith for ad nauseam. News flash it takes a team to win.

    • clownball

      Micah you are talking complete garbage. You don’t even understand the game. I know you played in high school right? Reid couldn’t afford a 7-9,season. Shut up man. You’re clueless.

      • Bdiddy

        what he said^^^!

  • Kisersosay

    I don’t get the idea that we paid too much for Alex Smith……Name a player taken in the second round that would have made half the impact on wins that Alex did last year. Then try to name two players ….one from last years draft and one that is projected to be available to us in the second round this year that could make as much of an impact in wins than Alex. Try as you might I don’t think you can do it. The price was right for what the impact was and will be.

    • micah stephenson

      I would have went Geno and Keenan Allen last yr and Mike Evans and J.Amaro this yr. That’s prolly too much offensive power and too much youth for kc’s standards tho.

      • Kisersosay

        Of course you would Micah, wouldn’t expect anything other than Geno. LOL. Of course Keenan and Geno together would have helped us win how many games?

        • micah stephenson

          Idk but I know we would b well on our way to having a young explosive offense

      • Bdiddy

        Come back and chat with us after Gino exits the NFL in two years…

        • micah stephenson

          If Geno don’t work out then they draft another guy. But at least they trying. The Chiefs won’t even try. O they will take a Chance on players like Dorsey, Jackson, Baldwin, Albert, and Fisher, but won’t take a Chance on a QB in the 1st rd. wow. Would it really kills us if for once we drafted a QB instead of one of those guys or the RG I seen in the latest mock draft?

    • Dave Hoffman

      I think it was a good trade and i woyld have done thst trade and now if we can trade with the 49ers in the firsy round and get a second and fourth or 5th round pick i woyld say it was well worth it

  • micah stephenson

    I don’t think it was worth it. After the Raiders draft Menziel, Bortles, or Bridgewater, we will have the worst QB in the AFC west.

    • Kevin Whittaker

      What a troll. I get the argument that HE won’t win us a SB, but last I remember the Seahawks just proved there are other ways to win the SB. Manning has only won one in his life and he is the best QB on the planet, yet Flacco and Russell Wilson have won the last two Super Bowls and can’t even compare to him. So, your entire argument is stupid. I can’t see how anyone who watched that playoff game can even argue that he isn’t worth it. Have a good day troll.

      • micah stephenson

        I said he is worth depending on what you trying to do. If you wanna just win enough to sell tickets he is perfect. If you want to win a superbowl, he ain’t that dude. I had a very good day. Made plenty of money. Now chilling on AA.

    • clownball

      Micah you are so amazingly smart. Wonder why you are only person here agreeing with your posts. First youd rather have geno. Now schaub. No wonder why youre the only Clown in ypur car. Get a clue.

      • micah stephenson

        Never said I wanted shuab. Just saying I wouldn’t b suprised if Alex finished last among the afc west QBs.

    • Jason Seibel

      You’re an idiot.

      • micah stephenson

        Your momma!

        • PunjabiPete

          Dude… listen to me very closely. Alex Smith is better than Geno Smith. Alex Smith is better than Bridgewater, Manziel, and any other QB we have a chance at getting. I really only put 4 or 5 QBs in the National Football League above Smith in the list of QBs I Would Want Leading The Chiefs Today… Your hatred of Smith is well documented, and hopping on here to trash talk a quarterback that made us relevant after the disastrous last few seasons just goes to show that no matter what Smith does you won’t like him.

          Winning a Superbowl is not something a quarterback can do on his own. I don’t care how good he is, he cannot win on his own. For all intents and purposes, Alex Smith WON that Indianapolis game. He was laying TDs down left and right, and doing it without his biggest supporting cast. 378 yards, 4 TDs and no interceptions are stats that would win any game if the defense had bothered showing up. We lost because we had a bunch of injuries and the guys that came in had stars in their eyes and forgot that even with a 4 TD lead this is the NFL. Hopefully they come back and learn from that or learn that lesson on another team. To assume Alex Smith is not the #1 or #2 reason behind Jamaal Charles for our 11 wins last year makes you a troll, nothing more.

    • Travis Forsyth

      Alex could win a super bowl for us and you’d still wouldn’t like him

      • micah stephenson

        Yes I would. That’s why I don’t like him. I don’t feel like we could win one with him. If I felt like he was good enough to win the superbowl, I would like him.

    • Bdiddy

      I don’t typically say things like this, but I have seen enough idiotic posts in this thread (all penned by you) to warrant it…you are a HUGE dumbass that doesn’t know diddly squat about football in general, let alone evaluating QB talent. And…washed up? Do you even have the slightest idea the average retirement age of an NFL QB is? What?…31…32?

      • micah stephenson

        The avg football career last about 5 yrs. Everybody knows that in the nfl when you get on the wrong side of 30 you are on your way down and out the lg. Yea this may not apply for 1000% of the players but the majority it does. I could see if he was P.Manning, Breeze or Brady or somebody like that. But its Not. It Alex Smith. Lol

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Nine-game turnaround, a better than 3:1 TD-INT ratio, a Pro Bowl berth, his best season as a pro, and a 4 TD playoff performance? No doubt about it. He was absolutely worth it.

    • micah stephenson

      Nine game turn around was more due to Ried being 100 times better than Romeo. Alex made the probowl as the 10th alternative choice. Still no playoff wins, still no hope of reaching superbowl soon, still will b 30 yrs old and degressing soon, still wants a raise(kop wants 18 mill a yr, no telling how much Smith wants)

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Couldn’t have had anything to do with not turning the ball over and sustaining drives, eh?

        No one’s confused about the fact that he was an alternate. That doesn’t change the fact that he had a single-season performance to warrant the consideration.

        We didn’t win the Indy game, but it wasn’t due to anything AS11 did or didn’t do. He might’ve turned in the finest postseason performance of any quarterback in the entire postseason tournament.

        Not sure what evidence there is to support the claim that he’ll be regressing soon. He JUST had the best season of his career.

        • Stan Smith

          Yes

        • micah stephenson

          The probowl is a joke. Matt Cassel made the probowl two yrs earlier so what does probowl QB really mean.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            By turning in the best season of his professional career. He had a nearly 4:1 TD-INT ratio that year and a 93 passer rating. How, exactly, is that some proof that the Pro Bowl’s a joke? Or invalid as and indicator of a quality “single-season” performance?

          • micah stephenson

            I’m repeating what everybody on this website said about Cassel making the probowl. When everybody else say it its the truth. When I say it, you have a rebuttal on how its not true.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I can’t recall being previously involved in a conversation about Cassel’s Pro Bowl season. At least not here on AA. I’m not here to convince anyone that Cassel’s a good quarterback. He’s not, but that hardly means he never had laudable single-season performances. He did. The best season of his pro career was honored with a trip to Honolulu. That may not count for much in your mind, but it’s tough to argue he didn’t play good football in 2010.

            Just as it’s tough for you to make that case about AS11′s 2013 campaign.

        • micah stephenson

          Alex Smiths fumble leading to a easy 7 for indy didn’t hav anything at all to do with us losing? How many pts did we lose that game by?

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Shall we talk about the blown 28-point lead too or nah?

          • micah stephenson

            Yea we can talk about it. Games have swings. Sometimes the offense gets it going and sometimes the d gets it going. Yea I know the D gave up a big lead, but while that was happening Alex could not manage one score on a drive to hold them off and fumbled giving them 7 of they comback points. The D could have played better, the offense…well we are limited by our QB and wrs, the coaching could have been better. It was a team loss.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            You’re right, it was a team loss.
            Now if you look at each phase of that playoff performance, would you argue that the defense was more responsible for that collapse or Alex Smith? Be honest.

          • KCMikeG

            Certainly it did. As did DMC’s drop of a sure TD, Avery’s drops and Bowe’s failure to get a foot down so we could kick the winning FG. Or how about the fact that our kicker is so weak we didn’t even consider trying a 57 yarder at the half and a 60 yarder to win. All this in addition to the injuries, especially to Charles (30% of our offense), and the minor little let down the defense had in the second half. AS11′s best wasn’t enough because we didn’t get the best from too many others.

          • micah stephenson

            Add bad playcalling, bad clock management, it was a team loss. I’m not denying that. Most will deny Alex had anything to do with the loss.

          • KCMikeG

            Nobody is saying he was perfect although his QB rating was 119.7. One really has to go way out of their way to blame AS11 with his All-time franchise record 4 TD’s, 435 yards and 44 points playing on the road without Charles/Davis/Avery.

        • KCMikeG

          And this will be the ONLY back to back seasons with the same entire coaching staff and system. If we go WR with our first pick and Kelce performs as expected Alex Smith will lead us to the promised land sooner rather than later.
          With the hiring of Dorsey & Reid plus the AS11 trade Clark Hunt is restoring the respect and honor of our storied franchise. I believe his father would be very proud. I know I am.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Again, people are wed to their opinions. They keep waiting for him to falter and he keeps improving so they double down on doubting him.

      • Bobby

        Please Micah I beg you to stop spouting your ignorance about Smitty on these boards, no one is even on the same ship as you, your alone in a sea of clueless-ness with a ripped sail and a broken rudder, let’s hope the winds of avg intelligence blow your direction soon as you may end up lost forever a genius in your own mind

        • micah stephenson

          I disagree. I’m just one of the few that think outside the box. One of the few not hypnotized into think avg QB play is as good as it gets.

          • trinity

            I agree with you Micah. He’s really only an average quarterback

          • Bdiddy

            If the box you are referring to represents sanity and reason…then yes, you are clearly wayyyyyy outside of it.

          • trinity

            How is he insane? If by insane you mean “telling you truths that you don’t want to hear” then ok lol. Alex Smith is simply an average QB. That’s what he has proven over the course of his career.

          • PunjabiPete

            “Alex Smith is simply an average QB. That’s what he has proven over the course of his career.”? OK, if going to the NFC championship game AND then starting in a brand new system with 0 continuity and STILL leading a team to 11 wins AND having a 3:1 TD: INT Ratio AND having more wins in the last 3 seasons than any other quarterback in the National Football League AND turning in more rushing yards than the avg running back while still throwing to no talent WRs who can’t catch herpes in a Croatian brothel makes him an avg QB, then sign me up for the next one.

          • trinity

            Listen man. Listen very carefully. I didn’t say alex sucked. I said he is average. If you surround him with a great defense, a great running game, and a great coach, he can manage games just fine. But you will not win a championship with him. Lol you literally just said it yourself. He went to the NFL championship game huh? Well that was a 13-3 year for him. The absolute best of his career. Tell me, what happened EVEN DESPITE that career year? They attempted to drop him on his ass once Peyton manning became available. Yes, even despite his very best, they still attempted to drop him. That is because of the fact that he is an average quarterback.

          • PunjabiPete

            And I will respond with “Alex Smith is a fantastic quarterback who carried his team, without Jamaal Charles or a TE, to 44 points against Indianapolis”. I can’t speak to Harbaugh being a moron, I can only bless him for giving us this gift in Alex Smith. I’ll take 13-3 and a young kick returner’s fumble being the only thing between my QB and a superbowl any day, that just makes me excited to see said QB the next season.

            Alex Smith is NOT average. Any way you look at it.

          • trinity

            That one loss to the colts makes him better than average huh? Lol so the first near decade of his career is conveniently forgotten? And that moron harbaugh benching him for a rookie, then everyone watching that rookie lead the exact same team alex had manned to a place he had never been? That’s forgotten too? Or if you’re a stats guy, how about his stats ranking exactly where I said he is, average? Lol toss all that out of the window because he played well in a LOSS to Indy. Lol sure

          • micah stephenson

            The truth hurts. They don’t want to hear the truth.

          • trinity

            No they don’t. They are even claiming that we’re the same person, even though they are sitting here looking at us on here at the same time lol. I don’t think they will ever get it

          • micah stephenson

            What’s crazy is we both are not saying he is the worst, just saying is avg an no better. They arguing point as if they trying to prove he is more than avg like he elite

          • calciomoti

            They lost because a fumbled punt…oh yeah I forgot that AS11 fault too.

          • sidibeke

            Can’t catch herpes in a Croatian brother. That’s funny.

          • Phillip Maxwell

            Insane is two personalities–lol
            You are not fooling anybody….Micah disappears and trinity shows up immediately in Micah’s defense? Ha ha

          • trinity

            Well, we were here at the same time earlier lol. Check the times dude. And why in the world is it so farfetched that two fansided fans can be down on alex Smith? Lol you act as if a ton of people aren’t down a on alex. But hey, whatever you want to tell yourself buddy :)

        • KCMikeG

          At first I thought it was just BS that micah & trinity were the same but if they aren’t then isn’t it odd that right after Bobby called out Micah on being the only fool on the hate AS11 ship that trinity appeared. They may not be the same person but I would bet Micah recruited a supporter to prove he’s not the only lonely hater.

          • micah stephenson

            I see 95 people voted no. So there are some smart people.

          • calciomoti

            And all 98 of those votes need to turn in all Chiefs gear, the Chiefs nation has dishonourably discharged you. You may board Micah’s boat with a broken rudder torn sail in the sea of cluelesnes, etc etc OMG that was the best post ever on AA…it should be immortalized in stone somewhere!

      • David Whited

        Seriously? Do you even watch the games?

      • ILChiefan

        No playoff wins? Did you ever see the 49ers – Saints classic where he drove the 49ers to TD drives TWICE in the final 2 minutes? In three playoff games, he has thrown for nearly 900 yards, has a 9/0 TD/INT ratio, and a combined QB rating of 109, averaging 32 points/game. Micah, your inability to grasp logic is beaten only by your inability to face facts. If you want to knock him for the first 9 games of the season, that would have some merit, but if you’re going to throw your opinion out here, you should at least have some facts to back it up with.

      • tnafam

        degressing soon? Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Tom Bradys best years were in their 30s…they haven’t show any signs of regress…..Alex is just getting started. A good QB age like fine wine till they are 40.

    • LeVar Hill

      Nuff said!!!!!!!! Should have been a 4 Td play off win but hey it’ll be alright I think we’ll go deep next year gotta get this defense right.

  • oldchiefsfan

    I was against it and wanted to draft Geno Smith at this time last year. Now I think it was worth it and a much better choice.

  • oldchiefsfan

    The playoff game loss was not Alex Smith’s fault. He played one of the best games of his career. That loss is all in the Defense.

    • Jason Seibel

      The BEST game of his career.

      • micah stephenson

        It was the best game of his career, and it still wasn’t good enough.

        • Bdiddy

          …which clearly means the loss should be pinned on him…I mean…the gall it takes to put up a perfect game (and 44 points) and walk away with a LOSS!!! Totally unacceptable, and pedestrian by anyone’s standards.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          So that I’m clear, Reid is solely responsible for the nine games the Chiefs won to start the season… But Alex Smith is solely responsible for the playoff game they lost despite having quarterbacked a game that netted him a 119.7 passer rating? Seems legit.

          • trinity

            No Stacy, actually it was the weak schedule that was responsible for all the wins. Let us not forget that the first 4-5 games or thereabouts was against backup quarterbacks. And then what happened when they played Peyton? Yeah, Exactly. As for his 119.7 passer rating. Guess what? He got beat! He simply cannot carry a team. He will not win without his defense closing the deal for him. All that game proved is that even his very best is not enough when it’s all on him. Period.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I want the SoS arguments to die a horrible death. They’re really not compelling. They never have been. A team’s record from the previous year affects ONLY two games. TWO!

            Furthermore, how did being a last placed team in 2012 help Jacksonville the following year? They had a “weak” schedule in 2013, right? Let’s see… They finished third in the South and still lost 12 games.

            The rationale of your final point just doesn’t compute. Following that logic, he’d be better off throwing 3 interceptions in a winning effort than posting a 119.7 passer rating in a loss. Had that happened, no one would have given Smith credit for the win. They would simply have suggested the team won in spite of him. Not sure if you realize, but even that argument would testify to elephant in the room. Football is a TEAM game that is won and lost by the full squad. The Chiefs didn’t lose because Smith played poorly. He played well enough for them to win.

          • trinity

            3 ints or a RARE great growing for him, it doesn’t matter either way. The entire point of everything I have said is not that he’s bad, but that he is average. Good Luck waiting for him to actually win a superbowl

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Now you’re moving the goalposts. One post prior you said, and I quote, “he got beat.” Now you’re telling me his postseason performance is immaterial.

            There are a number of pedestrian quarterbacks who’ve won the Super Bowl. Winning the Super Bowl does not a good quarterback make. For the record, he was one play away from playing in one a few seasons ago. That loss was probably on him too though, right?

          • trinity

            Considering after that near miss they tried to get Peyton? And that they used his concussion as an excuse to bench him in favor of Colin kaepernick? Yes, I would say they felt that he was holding them back. Which was proven by the fact that Colin, as a rookie, took Alex’s team, and led them to the superbowl. Something alex has simply never done, and will not do. And that brings us to the point of everything I’ve said. You say I’m “moving the goal post”. I think you are splitting hairs to avoid the truth. Let me reiterate for you. The point of everything I have said is simply that he is an average quarterback. Simple as that.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I have several issues with your first point:

            1. Manning’s a first-ballot Hall of Famer. It’s perfectly reasonable that any team without an elite quarterback would have interest in him. Alex Smith isn’t elite. No one has made that case though.

            2. Why would their interest in Manning ONLY be an indictment of Smith? You suggested that Kaepernick was the better quarterback. Wouldn’t that suggest they weren’t comfortable with him at the helm either?

            3. After he signed with Denver, Smith STILL started the season as the team’s starter. If Kaep being the better quarterback was such a foregone conclusion, why didn’t he take over sooner?

            Why would another excuse be necessary for a concussed quarterback? He’s in no position to play.

            Kaep did lead that team to the Super Bowl. They lost that game. Seeing how you’ve given AS11 so much grief for the loss at Indy, I would think you’d have something to say about CK and his team’s loss to the Ravens.

            I’m not splitting hairs. You hung the loss on Alex Smith. Now you’re backpedaling, telling me that performance is irrelevant, and presenting a new less controversial point about his only being an average quarterback.

          • trinity

            1. Your point about them being interested in Peyton because he is futureHOF doesn’t pan out. Because by that logic, every team would have been interested in him. But of course, not every team in the league was. The ones who were felt that Peyton could give them something that their current QB could not.

            2 yes I am sure they preferred Peyton to Colin. Only a crazy person would not. That does not mean that Colin is not better than alex.

            3. Yes, colin got the start because Alex was injured. But w both know that he healed, because he complained to the media that he was ready for his job back. He did not get it, because it was apparent that the rookie gave them a better chance at a superbowl than veteran alex.

            4. About Colin losing the superbowl, you are contradicting yourself. You just told me that the superbowl does not a good quarterback make right? Then by using your own logic, I know you wouldn’t have a problem with me pointing out that at least Colin got them there. In his rookie year, something Alex, again a veteran, had failed to do.

            5. I am not backpedaling. Let me reiterate. I pointed out to you or someone else that that game against indy only proved that Alex’s very best is not enough when his defense and running game cannot close for him. I admitted he played well, but ultimately when it was all on him because the defense didn’t show up, they went home. I only said that statswere unimportant ultimately, beBecause even though he played very well, we all know that he was far outside of his range in that game, and he cannot consistently sustain that level of play. That, plus his stats, which literally will tell you that he is middle of the road, is why I think he is an average quarterback.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            1. Except that not every team was in a position to sign him. Or had you forgotten about the salary cap?

            2. You just nuked your own point.

            3. Yet it wasn’t apparent that he was the better player to start the season.

            4. I’m not the one trying to hang singular losses on a quarterback. I merely made the point that you’re being inconsistent about what postseason losses mean for the two quarterbacks we’re observing. You went on about Alex losing in Indy and said nothing about Kaep’s Super Bowl loss.

            5. That’s such a curious brand of logic. It could just as easily be stated that Alex Smith’s best IS enough when the other phases show up and play well also. Why are we singling Smith out again and forcing him to take responsibility for the run game and the defense? FEW quarterbacks in the NFL win games when other key elements of the team are failing. The idea that “carrying” a team is the norm in the NFL is asinine. It’s the ultimate team sport. Smith played a phenomenal game that was lost because this team was handicapped by injuries and a defense that completely fell apart in the second half. I’d almost wager that 44 points in an NFL postseason game has typically resulted in a win 90% of the time (or better).

            I’d love to know what metrics you’re using to make him a middle of the road quarterback. I’d almost wager that I could take those same numbers and prove you wrong.

          • trinity

            I don’t get why you pointed out some of the things you did.

            1. Some teams didn’t have cap space? Ok? What about teams like the bears and Texans (although I’m sure they regret it lol) who did have the cap space to go after Peyton but didn’t? The point is that the teams with space AND a need a quarterback went after him, and one of those was Alex’s team. Not much to get confused about that.

            2. It wasn’t apparent to the 49ers on opening day that Colin was better than Alex? Um, ok? Who cares? Because when it was all said and done, they did indeed realize it. And so they dropped alex on his ass. I’m not giving you my opinion, this is literally what happened man. From Alex’s mouth, Because he admitted that it was painful being benched. Again, not much to confuse about that, so I don’t get how I nuked the colin point.

            3. Lol you just literally said it! There are only a handful of quarterbacks who can carry a team when other parts of it falter.Your own words man! exactly! These are called elite quarterbacks. Of which there are very few in the league, and alex is not one of them. That was my whole point. I can’t remember if it was you or someone else who dared to suggest he was, but as I said, you just said it yourself dude.

            And lastly, there is nothing to prove wrong when it comes to his stats. You would only be able to prove me wrong if I said alex sucked. He does not. His stats simply indicate the “good news, bad news” stats of a game manager, which is what I’ve said. Here they are, his stats, regular season, 2013 season…

            Good news? A pretty good completion % at 60.6. The bad news? His average pass was only 6.5 yards, because he can’t consistently go deep. He averaged 220 yards per game, with 0 300+ yard games. This is because the running game ran the offensive show as everyone knows. He only had 7 interceptions. Very good. Very nice with minimizing mistakes and letting the run game hit the home run. This is indicated by a subpar 23 touchdowns total on the season. Not very many at all. Add all of his stats together, and he is the 17th ranked quarterback in the NFL. Which literally proves that he is exactly what I said. A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD quarterback.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            We can go back and forth about who had interest in Manning, but that’s neither here nor there. Again, that’s a moot point. If the Niners were seriously interested in him, by your logic, that’s an indictment of BOTH Smith and Kaepernick.

            They made a change ONLY after Smith was hurt. There’s no way to know that he would ever have been a healthy scratch. He opened the year as their starter. So even after Manning was available and went another way, after a full offseason/preseason program, they still felt that Smith was the best man for the job.

            Again, no one here has ever argued that he’s elite. The gap between average and elite is big and wide though.

            I’m glad you’re conceding that this isn’t metrics-based analysis. That’s a significant step in the right direction.

            AS11 plays in an offensive system that emphasizes high-percentage passes. He’s not often called on to throw the long ball, but even at 6.5 yards per attempt that puts him in the company of Andrew Luck, RGIII, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, and Joe Flacco (who incidentally throws a great deep ball). Are they all “average” too? That singular stat is not a good indicator for what he is as a quarterback.

            We’re getting closer though. Clearly this is just a personal bias, not a statistic or metric-based analysis of Smith.

          • trinity

            You’re right, we are getting closer :). As far as the Peyton thing, yeah we may as well drop that. We can nitpick all we want, but the facts say that they went after Peyton, and benched alex for Colin. There’s nothing to argue there, so why talk in circles about it? As far as his Yards per throw, you are completely right. That stat alone doesn’t define a quarterback. So it’s a good thing I included all the rest of his stats, including the 17th overall rated QB, that actually does tell the story. Someone on here actually did suggest he was elite, so I am glad we both agree that he is not. A personal bias? Ok, yeah. I am not an Alex Smith fan, you are right. But it’s ok, because I’m not spouting a bunch of hateful nonsense, I’m just saying actual, recorded facts. So hey, it is what it is :)

          • Stacy D. Smith

            You’re right. AS11 was benched following an injury.

            I’m glad you brought his passer rating up. It was 89.1 on the season. A better regular season rating than: Matt Stafford, Tom Brady, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Cam Newton, and RGIII.

            He’d only be the 11th rated quarterback among quarterbacks with at least 300 attempts.

          • trinity

            If you’re referring to last season, it was actually 60.6. If you’re referring to the season where he was benched, congratulations to him. It was not enough to keep his job, because anyone can have a great passer rating when they only throw the ball 6 yards down the field. Remember, this guy is not some rookie. He is about a 10 year vet. He will most likely finish his career with a good passer rating. Congratulations to him. He will also most likely finish his career with a low yards per completion number, because he doesn’t have the capability to consistently push the ball. Again, nothing more than the “good news, bad news” stats of a game manager.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            60.6 was his completion rate. Passer rating is a formula that factors in a number of statistical categories. Not sure how you got the two confused.

            We’ve been over the yards per attempt argument before. Remember?

            “He’s not often called on to throw the long ball, but even at 6.5 yards per attempt that puts him in the company of Andrew Luck, RGIII, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, and Joe Flacco (who incidentally throws a great deep ball). Are they all “average” too? That singular stat is not a good indicator for what he is as a quarterback.”

            You conceded that point. Why are you trying to fish it back out of the water now?

          • trinity

            1. He’s not called upon to go deep down the field, because that is not his strength. His strength is short check downs and minimizing game changing mistakes while the defense and run game do the heavy lifting. And he is great at that. He’s a successful game manager. Both harbaugh and Reid have called him that, and basically said that they wanted to keep the playbook safe for him, so he wouldn’t have to do too much on his own. That is what he is. Just say the word, and I will send you a link to that exact article right here, right now. And if for some reason I cannot post the link in this comment section, I will tell you exactly how to find that exact article.

            2. Oh ok, passer rating. That’s good :). But of course, you can zero in on any singular stat to try to prove a point. Oh a high passer rating? He’s a great quarterback! Oh, 23 touchdowns on a season? He’s a crappy quarterback. See what I mean? This is why I included ALL of his stats yesterday, most importantly his overall ranking. Because you have to add everything together to get a true picture. And the facts say that he was EXACTLY the 17th ranked quarterback inthe NFL. which is just about the very definition of what I’ve been repeatedly saying lol. MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. not much to argue since I’m giving you facts, and again, just say the word and I will show you that article :)

          • Stacy D. Smith

            That’s the philosophy of the offensive system itself, but I suppose you can pretend that Reid wasn’t running the same system in Philadelphia before he arrived in Kansas City.

            Smith can throw the deep ball. That’s not one of his strengths, but he has an NFL arm that can make any throw. In the postseason only 1 of the 12 quarterbacks had more completions of 40+ yards. Manning had NONE. You ready to indict him for not being able to make the deep throw?

            The playbook expanded as he grew more comfortable with the offense. Again, he threw FOUR touchdowns in the playoffs. From safe playcalling?

            A second ago you conflated completion percentage with passer rating. I don’t need any one stat to make my point that he’s more than a game manager. Passer rating isn’t a singular stat anyway. It’s a formula. I clarified that he’d be the 11th best quarterback in terms of passer rating (among quarterbacks with 300 attempts). The 17th number you cited is misleading because it would include a bunch of quarterbacks who only played a part of the season. There needs to be a baseline. I made that baseline 300 attempts because at an average of 30 per game, that means the quarterback played 2/3rd’s of the season.

            Go back and look again. Of the quarterbacks with 300 attempts, where does Smith’s passer rating rank?

            I also clarified that the yards per attempt argument you were clinging to would make mortals of some of the most highly regarded quarterbacks in the league.
            That’s statistical analysis. Not just singular stats being bent to make a case.

          • trinity

            Lol you keep tossing out a bunch of stuff, but avoiding the facts. Andy Reid ran a similar system in Philly? Ok. Does that change the absolute fact that he literally called Alex Smith a successful game manager? Does that change the fact that he went after Alex because, as a game manager, he fit that system? Lol he could have used that system on every freaking team, but does it change the absolute fact of what is happening in Kansas city right now? No! Again, I will show you the articles. And sure he can throw deep every now a then, but he cannot do it consistently, and I know you agree with that point, because you literally just agreed “that is not his strength”. What I have been saying all along lol

            2. He was the only quarterback to have a completion of 40 yards in the playoffs. Peyton had none. LMAO! Lol are you really making that point? Feel free to zero in on one game, because it makes him look better, but how about the whole season? Peyton ran the most prolific passing attack in NFL history, and alex middle of the road, which brings me to my final point of what you said. You keep zeroing in on just the passer rating and ignoring everything else. I said that the overall quarterback ranking is what counts most, and you said that was misleading because it takes into account quarterbacks who didn’t really play a full season right? That was EXACTLY what you said. Well. Here are the exact rankings, from first down to alex Smith.

            1p manning, 2 drew brees, 3 Matthew Stafford, 4 matt Ryan, 5 Philip rivers, 6 Tom Brady, 7 andy Dalton, 8 Carson palmer, 9 ben roethlisberger, 10 Ryan tannehill, 11 Joe flacco, 12 Tony romo, 13 Andrew luck, 14 Eli manning, 15 cam newton, 16 russell wilson, 17 ALEX SMITH….

            Those are the complete rankings, and it completely destroys your point about guys who didn’t play being ranked ahead of him. Because with the exception of Tony Romo, who missed the final game of the regular season with a back injury, all of them did play :). If you want the link to the list, or the article I talked about above, all you need to do is ask :).

          • Stacy D. Smith

            What facts have I missed?

            He did call Smith a “game manager.” He also used it in concert with the term “great quarterback.” Or had you forgotten that part? He didn’t use “game manager” in the typical pejorative way. You might want to re-read the entire excerpt from that interview. He said clearly that Smith should regard “game manager” as a compliment.

            You seem to be convinced he can’t throw the deep ball. Let’s take that one apart, shall we? PFF graded this very category in mid-February. According to their metrics, he had completed nearly 46% of passes that traveled 20 or more yards.

            A deep ball completion percentage higher than Robert Griffin III, Cam Newton, and Joe Flacco. To go a step further, there were only 2 percentage points that separated Smith’s downfield accuracy, balls that traveled 20 or more yards, from Russell Wilson(48.3) and Peyton Manning (48.2)

            You’re still not properly sorting the passer rating category. I was using NFL.com, but you can dial up the SAME numbers on ESPN.com. Go to Google and type the following in “passer rating leaders 2013.” That will take you directly to a pre-sorted list. Alex Smith comes in 14th on that list. Now scratch the THREE quarterbacks who had fewer than 300 attempts. He was 11th in the NFL in passer rating (among quarterbacks with 300 or more attempts). He isn’t 17th even if you don’t scratch those three quarterbacks.

            Passing Yardage and Attempts Per Game are the ONLY two sortable stat categories where he’d come in 17th.

          • trinity

            1. I already know andy considers it a good thing. Alex does a great job of letting the defense and run take care of business. If you noticed in the article, harbaugh said the same thing :). Great game manager. Of course, that was not enough when they had the chance to get someone who was more than just a game manager, and that was my point. Again, I never said he was bad :).

            2. You already conceded that the deep ball is not his strength, so are you backing up off of that now? Of course his rating would be higher on those passes. Fewer attempts make for better accuracy. He had those few attempts as opposed to regular attempts, because asyou already agreed, deep throws are not his strength :).

            3. You misunderstand again lol. You keep zeroing in on just passer rating. That is not what I’m talking about! If we zero in on one thing, it doesn’t tell the fullstory. Which is why I didn’t use that. The list I just gave you is OVERALL QB RANKINGS for the 2013 season. That takes passer rating, yards per game, yards per attempt, 20+ yard plays, 40+ yard plays, and other things and add them all up. Again let me reiterate, it takes INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING NFL QUARTERBACKS CONTRIBUTED ON THE SEASON, including the passer rating you cling to, and it ranks them. Alex is number 17, and that is with that good quarterback passer rating included :)

          • Stacy D. Smith

            You did try to marginalize him with the “game manager” jab. Unfortunately, you cited an interview where his head coach used the term in a complimentary way.

            Earlier he was incapable of throwing the deep ball consistently. The moment I prove that he actually throws the deep ball fairly accurately, you point back to a low number of attempts. Thing is, that’s where we started. I said to you that his offense doesn’t consistently call upon him to make those kinds of throws and you said it was because it’s something he doesn’t do well. Now that the evidence suggests otherwise, you’re back to a low number of attempts.

            You’re content with moving the goalposts the moment your arguments paint you into a corner. I’m starting to see that now.

            Earlier you confused completion rate for passer rating. Now you’re clarifying that this is some full metric system that observes all statistical categories. Fair enough. I’d love to know the formula that would have him 17th in the league even given a full range of statistical consideration. What’s the link?

          • trinity

            Lol again, there is nothing for me to go back and forth about. You keep throwing things out, and I keep answering them. It was you who said it wasn’t his strength, then tried to say it was his strength, and then I answered lol. It’s just logic that less attempts breed better results. You’ve already said it is not his strength. That came out of YOUR mouth, so there is nothing to argue.

            And you confused passer rating exclusively, when I have been telling you all along that altogether he is middle of the road.

            Third, call it marginalizing if you want :). I guess it depends on perspective lol. He is a game manager who has to be carried by his defense and running game, yes. But there are worse things than that. Hey, at least you know he won’t implode like matt schaub lol.

            As for the list, I will send it right now :)

          • Stacy D. Smith

            It’s not one of his strengths, but when called upon to do it, he’s proven he can throw that ball accurately. He throws a deep ball about twice a game. I don’t have any stats right in front of me, but I’d guess that be right around the league average (possibly slightly above).

            In 2013, he threw long as often as: Aaron Rodgers, Mike Glennon, Nick Foles, Case Keenum, Chad Henne, EJ Manuel, and Jake Locker. The most accurate deep ball thrower in the league last year only attempted 11 more deep passes all season. Don’t throw his high completion rate out because he throws the deep ball fairly often compared to the rest of the league.

            You’re trying to connect Reid’s definition of the term to your own and that dog won’t hunt. The only reason you mentioned Reid’s comments is because you thought he was denigrating Smith. Otherwise, it has no place in this discussion. You played that card, presumably, because if his head coach thinks he’s a “game manager”, he must be. Problem is, he doesn’t use the commonly associated definition of the term.

          • trinity
          • Stacy D. Smith

            And just as I suspected, you’ve been misinterpreting that information all along. This list is pre-sorted by total passing yardage. Alex Smith was 17th in the league in passing yards in 2013. See the down-facing red arrow to the left of the category heading? That indicates it’s the category currently being sorted (in descending order).

            Try clicking another heading and watch the order change.

            That’s not a metric-based evaluation system. Those are individual sortable stat categories.

          • trinity

            There is it, right there in black and white :). His total production made him 17th. And with that, I’ve said all that needs to be said. Good talking to you :).

          • Stacy D. Smith

            If only it were that easy. You’ve been misreading the information. Earlier you conflated completion rate with passer rating. Your credibility has taken a real hit.

          • KCMikeG

            SOS – One of the emptiest excuses ever. Bottom line is everything good = Reid, defense and every player but Alex Smith. Anything bad no matter who did it = AS11.

          • PunjabiPete

            PEYTON MANNING CANNOT WIN A GAME WITHOUT HIS DEFENSE CLOSING THE DEAL!!! Are you kidding me? The defense HAS TO STOP the opposing team or else all games would be tied since every time YOU score, you have to give the ball to your OPPONENT! OMG This is like trying to explain thermodynamics to an adorable dog sitting under a wet blanket! Can you and Micah PLEASE just go post on the NYJ board about how hot Geno Smith is?

            Also, for you Strength of Schedule mor- I mean, people – The Chiefs played almost the exact same schedule as the Broncos. Let that sink in. Almost the exact. Same. Schedule. This is the National F**K Football League. These are the best of the best of the best. There IS no guaranteed win or guaranteed losses to be had. If that’s your only argument, you lose.

          • trinity

            Are you kidding me? They played almost the same schedule. Ok. What happened when they played each other? And then what happened when they played each other again? Exactly. And if you think the SOS last year is my only argument against alex Smith, than I guess you have not watched football for very long. Sure there is the strength of schedule last year. Lol there is also the first EIGHT years of his career to go by.

          • PunjabiPete

            Sure, let’s go by the first 8 years. OK, in the beginning, awful offensive line, very young defense that made mistakes, no real receiving threats. Got it. Then Harbaugh came in, and he taked them to the NFC Championship game, which apparently any old moron could do. Got it. Then, despite putting up a hell of a game, a young kick returner fumbles a ball, and they lose. Yep, even though he was not on the field, that’s all Alex Smith.

            The fact that he had a pedestrian career until he got some real coaching, then consistently showed he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league by BEATING OTHER TEAMS CONSISTENTLY, yes, that obviously means he is a mediocre quarterback. How could I have doubted you? /sarcasm

          • trinity

            Hahahahahahaha. I’m sorry, but you talking about him like he is some elite QB is laughable lol. And dude, you are proving my point for me. The entire point of what I said is that he cannot carry a team, and you just literally proved me right lol. Because true elite quarterbacks can adjust to setbacks. Your offensive line is faulty? Quicken your release to minimize getting sacks. Like Peyton manning. Your defense young and makes mistakes? Put them on your back and carry them, like Peyton, and Tom Brady. And even if alex had had Megatron as his freaking wideout, it wouldn’t have mattered because he has proven that he can’t consistently go deep! Alex simply is not talented enough to do those thing, which is why san Francisco was anxious to drop him on his ass. So once again, if you put him with a great defense and running game, he can manage the games very nicely for you. No more, no less.

          • KCMikeG

            Like Peyton Manning you say? If what you say is true then why didn’t Peyton put the donkeys on his back and carry his team in the Super Bowl? Why didn’t he “quicken” his release? Why did he turn the ball over three times while only scoring once? Why hasn’t he been able to adjust to setbacks instead losing more playoff games than he has won? Same for Brady and his bad WR’s – Why wasn’t he playing PM for the AFC Crown? Sorry but you just literally proved you’re totally wrong!

          • trinity

            I’m assuming you’re excluding that fact that tom and Peyton have actually won before lol? They both have endured setbacks, yes. One could also argue that those teams would never have made it that far without them, since their defense was indeed subpar. Something alex Smith has never done, and can’t do.

          • KCMikeG

            Answer the questions. Why? I’m not excluding anything. Yes they are great players who have won. You keep saying that these “true elite” players can carry the team on their backs so why didn’t Peyton do it what could have been a career defining moment? Why has Peyton failed more than he has succeeded in the playoffs? Then you said – one could argue that the team failed their elite QB which completely contradicts the standard with which you judge Alex Smith. See Smith has done it before putting up 36 points winning in 2011 over the Saints with a TD pass with 9 seconds on the clock and last year with Charles, Davis, Avery & company out of the game he carried us to 44 points and into a position to win in the end.

          • trinity

            Most recently for Peyton, he came up short because of Seattle’s defense. Lol but you are missing the entire point of everything I’ve said. As elite quarterbacks, you look to them to guide you. If they do not, failure is just about absolute. You are proving my point lol. Peyton did not get it done, and they lost. Tom Brady did not get it done, and they lost. If elite quarterbacks falter, usually the whole team falters. And my entire point is simply that that is not alex Smith. He can throw out subpar 23 touchdown years, and they can still have success. Why? Because he will not carry them, and he cannot carry them! He can lay down his usual crappy stats all he wants, because he is not the leader of the team like the elites are. He goes as the defense and running game goes, not the other way around. That was my entire point all along dude. Not to say that the elites are perfect, but to say that alex is simply not among the elites

          • KCMikeG

            Peyton came up short because of Seattle’s defense sounds exactly like the excuse you dismissed as what caused AS11 to “fail” in the Colt playoff game. You can’t have it both ways. First you say elite QB’s don’t let their team fail by “putting the team on their back” and willing the team to win but then turn around and say when they don’t do it (total contradiction to your own definition of elite QB’s) then the whole team fails. So when Manning totally chokes (3 turn overs 1 TD) it isn’t his fault because he is elite and the entire team is dependent on him but when the team that wins in spite of AS11 fails and he puts up 4 TD’s it is his fault the team loses. Got it. Clear as mud.

          • trinity

            Dude, are you high? Lol did you even read what I said? I never said Peyton didn’t fail. What I said was that, when he fails, the team does not have a shot. Let me try to break it down in terms that you can understand.

            Peyton fails=team fails. This is because he is an elite quarterback, and the team is centered around his decision making. Do you grasp that? Yeah? Ok.

            Alex Smith fails=team still has a good shot at winning. This is because unlike an elite QB, he is not the leader of the team. He is a game manager, who has to be carried by the defense and run game. So he can have average performances and still win, because it’s not on him. I don’t see what’s hard to understand.

            I feel like after all that, you’re the type of guy who needs a summary, so here goes.

            What makes a quarterback elite is not about having success 100% of the time. That is impossible. But it is about being the leader that the rest of the team looks to, and that is not Alex Smith. I’ve already posted the stats on here, so there is really nothing to argue when I say he is middle of the road. Go back and look at my conversation with Stacy D Smith, and you will see all the proven, documented FACTS about alex Smith that I gave.

            Lol if you don’t understand after that, there is no help for you. I’ve said all I need to say.

          • KCMikeG

            LOL! 100% success isn’t possible – Really? Read your comments. You said elite QB’s do it (win, carry team, adjust) even when their teams fail around them. Nobody said 100% but you. Don’t worry Manning isn’t even in the neighborhood of 100% at 11-12 in playoff games. Fact is Pete, Stacy or I never once said AS11 was elite like PM & Brady. Fans like you & Micah use them as comparisons to justify dogging your own QB while ignoring their successes and our team’s challenges.

            You obviously don’t know our team if you don’t think AS11 is the leader and that our players don’t look to him. If there was any doubt his franchise record playoff performance answered them. You go ahead and use the upside performances of the elite’s and excuse their failures while dismissing AS11′s record setting performances over the last three years because it’s easier to hate on him when you’re living in the past. Keep ignoring that Reid tried to bring AS11 to Philly and jumped on him asap in KC for a reason. You say AS11 “I’ll take AS11′s 30-9-1 record and his ascending performances in Reid’s offense. Time will prove who was right but I guarantee I will enjoy it along the way.

          • micah stephenson

            I hope your right, but I’m not betting any money on it.

          • micah stephenson

            Cmon dude. You really arguing with her about PM, TB, and ASS11? They not even close.

          • KCMikeG

            Again, I never said they were close. You two are the ones that bring them up to support your foolishness about Alex Smith being so terrible or on a record setting day “average” or “still not good enough”. Blaming Peyton’s 3 turnover to 1 td humiliation on Seattle’s defense and then turning around and saying Alex Smith’s record setting performance wasn’t “carrying the team his back” is a total contradiction. Hopefully this helps you understand why so many get frustrated with these lame attempts to put our QB down. There just is any rational reasoning.

          • micah stephenson

            We did play almost the same schedule. The difference is den scored the most points EVER and kicked our ass twice and went to the superbowl. While the Chiefs on the other hand…….

          • PunjabiPete

            You know as well as I do that that is a BS comeback. We lost Jamaal Charles, Kniles Davis, Hali, Flowers, Houston, and Bowe was hurt too. Let Denver lose Peyton Manning to a broken leg, they are done. Actually, since you’ll claim I’m making your point for you, let Denver lose Eric Decker and Demerius Thomas, and let Peyton stay healthy. See how far they go with Julius Thomas as their only receiving threat. Then let half of their defense fall apart.

          • micah stephenson

            Was you talkin bout sos or injuries?

          • micah stephenson

            Cmon Stacy! You don’t have to put words in my mouth. Never said it was all 100% Smith’s fualt. In the 1st 9 games the defense never gave up more than 17 pts. Alex can GAME MANAGE a win when the D plays like that. But when he has to put up a lot of pts cus we playing Manning, Rivers, Luck, ect, he can’t do it consistanly. Yea every dog has his day and might have a good game here or there, but all day every day, he is not that dude. I’m the playoff game he did fumble the ball and it turned into an easy seven. If he was clutch, instead of a fumble, he leads the team on a td drive. When the d was slowly giving up the 21 pt lead, he could manage 1 td drive to secure. Yea blame it on the defense! Luck didint blame his d for giving up all those points to a pathetic kc offense! He simply balled out, came back and won. Of corse if we ever get down by 21 with ALEX, the game us over, the fat lady is singing.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            There’s a reason why you keep going back to that fumble. That’s the only mistake he made in that game. That should tell you everything you need to know about how he played that day.

            You’re convinced he sucks. I’m fine with that. I think that would be easier to stomach if you said you just didn’t like him. The other arguments you make just don’t make that case.

          • micah stephenson

            I’m not saying he sucks. I’m saying he is not good enough, for me at least. Yall have low standards so he all that to yall. I don’t know Alex personally, so can’t say I don’t like him but his game leaves a lot to b desired.

          • PunjabiPete

            Micah Stephenson is Trinity. I don’t believe there’s TWO people with these thought processes going on out there.

          • trinity

            Actually, there are indeed TWO people who are smart enough to see it for what it is. I got on here to read the article, saw that micha was getting swamped by delusional fans, and decided to jump in. And if you think me or him are the only ones who think this about Alex Smith, then you’re insane lol. Oh, unless all the other millions of people are really just me or micha as well? Lmao!

          • KCMikeG

            Let’s just completely ignore the fact that we were on our THIRD string RB. Certainly that has some effect on offensive performance. Bottom line is Bowe gets his foot down and we kick the winning FG, our first playoff win in 20 years and Alex Smith’s game isn’t one bit different.

          • KCMikeG

            Careful Stacy. They are trying to lure you into that dark cellar where their hopes die every day.

        • ILChiefan

          As I state below (but it’s such a good point I want to make sure Micah sees it too :) ), Smith’s ‘worst’ game last year was a W…….by the logic you use, Micah (where every loss is Smith’s fault, and every win is in spite of him)…………..never mind – I can’t bring logic into your arguments.

          • micah stephenson

            As I stated above, it only means not only do Alex Suck but oak sucks waaaay more!

      • trinity

        It’s sad that the “best game of his career” is a loss. That tells you what you need to know about alex Smith

        • ILChiefan

          His ‘worst’ game last year was a win (QB rating of 56.9 at home vs. Oak)………so, by your inane logic, does that tell you all you need to know about Smith, too?

          • micah stephenson

            All that means is oak sucked that bad.

        • PunjabiPete

          You have no idea what you’re talking about. None. Absolutely none. You didn’t watch the game, I’m absolutely positive of that. And neither did Micah. There’s so much wrong with your statement that rather than respond to all of them I’m going to have all future posts of yours read to me by a wino with a BAC above .2, so at least I will get some entertainment out of it.

          • KCMikeG

            That is some seriously funny stuff right there Pete! Thanks brightened my day!

    • KCMikeG

      WTH? He did everything possible to win and had another playoff win stolen away (In SF Williams fumbled away punts in NFC Championship game). The man is due and we will be the beneficiary!

      • oldchiefsfan

        I agree. I am a BIG Alex Smith fan. It’s the first jersey I have bought in years.

        • micah stephenson

          I bought the white J.Charles nike jersey. I bought Snoop dogs chew toy a A.Smith Jersey. Get em snoop! Roof roof, good boy! Lol

          • KCMikeG

            See – even Snoop dogs know AS11 is going through the roof, roof!! Wake up and see what is happening in the real world today – not what happened years ago.

          • micah stephenson

            Shortly after chewing up his ass11 Jersey, he took a dump on it. I think that tells you what he thinks about Smiths game.

          • KCMikeG

            Doesn’t he know you’re not supposed to shit where you eat?

  • Bill

    Half way through last year I would have said no way Alex was worth the 2 picks. He was taking too much time in the pocket, too tentative with his decision making, not very accurate, no deep passes and couldn’t consistently move the offense. The D and JC were winning the games, but he finished the year off strong and could turn out to be worth the picks if he keeps playing at that level.

    • jimfromkcj

      It all seems deju vu to me. I remember so many years when the Chiefs were pretty bad that they would do nothing until the last 2 or 3 games of the year, and they would play their butts off and maybe win one from a team that had the division locked up and were jut trying to finish up without injuries and the fans were just as enthused as they are today and didn’t want to get rid of any players and the team made no tough choices and that is a good reason why teams like KC, Cleveland and Detroit have had such long droughts of winning seasons. Small market teams have to pay a whole lot more attension to their fans if they want to sell tickets.

  • MrChiefsFan

    The Alex Smith trade is only worth it if we win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith as our QB. People may flame me for saying that but it’s true. Alex’s contract has cost us two second round picks and a lot of cap space. Not to mention that a good year last year cost us draft position. If Alex Smith is not able to take us all the way and then no matter how well he plays it has to be viewed as set back. I am not interested in 10 years of making it to the playoffs, I’m interested in winning a Super Bowl. You don’t build a good team and then find the QB who can take you there, you build around a QB (Manning and the Bronco’s are the exception that proves the rules). If Alex can’t do it then we will be right back into “rebuilding” mode when he is gone and no matter how “successful” the Chiefs are while he is here it won’t mean anything if there is no SB ring.

    • micah stephenson

      Amen. Alex is just good enough to keep us around 8-8 each yr. Might make the wild card every once in a while. I’d rather drafted a guy then give him weapons.

  • Josh Landers

    The trade was totally worth it. Smith CAN lead this team to a Super Bowl and a win. How about we look at some former sb winners: Trent dilfer, joe flacco, Ben roethlisberger, Russell Wilson…it doesn’t take having an “elite” qb to win a ring. It helps but it’s not necessary. With a strong d, a strong running game, and an efficient passing game you can win a championship. I would resign as11 before the start of this season, though. If he has a better year than last, his cap number increases and there’s no reason to believe he won’t be better than last season. In the long run, wouldn’t you like our qbotf to learn under someone who is a proven leader that makes good decisions with the football? I didn’t like the trade when it happened but I’m all in now. GO CHIEFS!!!

  • Jason Seibel

    A little video I made when I still worked here. Enjoy!

    • PunjabiPete

      1:57…. watch at 1:57 Micah. On Geno Smith’s BEST day, he couldn’t throw a pass like that. No way. No how. You know it, I know it, we all know it. All in, baby… get AS some receivers and let him show that we got a steal, which I still believe we did. It will be proven this year if we can get someone to catch a ball hitting them on the numbers…

      I don’t blame the receivers, though, they’re not used to the ball being put in between the numbers like that.

      • micah stephenson

        Baaaaah haaaa haaaa haaaaaa!!!!!! A 20 yard pass to mcluster. Lol. I pretty sure every QB in the nfl cud manage that. It was one of the very few plays Smith made that looked decent. But by KC standards I cud see that being voted best play ever of all time.

        • PunjabiPete

          Actually the best play ever of all time was when Smith tried to hand off to Charles, Charles went the wrong way, and rather than turtle up on the turf like 98% of NFL QBs would, he ran it in for a touchdown. THAT was the best play of all time ever, ever. The pass to Dexter McCluster had to be PERFECT. 20 yards or 80 yards, there was NO room for error. What you and every other unknowledgeable (in regards to football; I’m sure you are very intelligent otherwise) armchair quarterback has the inability to see is that everything was stacked against Smith landing that pass. Smith is not known for his arm. McCluster is one of the shortest wideouts on the team. He was at full sprint trying to gain separation, so the ball had to get OVER a taller defender while allowing McCluster to not break stride and allow a taller guy to catch up and intercept the ball.

          Smith could have done the easy thing and dumped the ball off on the flats. It’s what we’re used to here in KC. He could have tried to run it and gained 5-10 yards and lived to fight another day. He didn’t. Like he did in the Eagles game and many other games, he took a chance that from where you were sitting looks like a no-brainer, but when you have 300+ lb linemen trying to maul you would be a little tougher to manage, and succeeded in a beautiful pass and catch…

          If you need a reason to fall in love with Smith, and Jason’s video doesn’t do it, there’s no hope for you. You won’t be happy with him winning the Superbowl, you’ll find excuses for why the team won IN SPITE of him.

          • micah stephenson

            Cut it out dude. Mcluster beat his man bad on that play and even I could make that throw. The fake hand off to the invisible rb QB draw was brillant! Smith ran it to perfection! Lol. Sh*t it faked me out! I didn’t know wtf was going on. Lol. No but seriously, the qb improvising on a busted play is nothing new.

    • micah stephenson

      Yea. I was looking for a reason to like smith so I went looking for you tube videos when I seen that one. Smith still didn’t impress me. A lot of check downs and real easy managable throws. I noticed Alex throws a lot of passes behind his wrs. A lot of the td passes could have been better placed. I aslo seen some videos of people clowning Smith.

  • Jason Seibel

    It feels really good to be able to say that…

  • jimfromkcj

    I have nothing against Smith, but I voted no because I still think Matt Moore would have been the better choice on two levels. First I don’t think we would have had to give up any 2nd rders. Probably could have worked something out and got Moore and a 3rd or 4th rd pick for Albert. We might have not made the playoffs, but we would have been drafting a lot higher this year and a chance to really hit the jackpot with a second and an extra 3rd or 4th rd pick. We also could have used that 2nd rd pick last year to pick up a position of need and could have let Flowers go and that would have been great for our cap.

    • Michael Shaw

      This is an April Fool’s joke, right?

    • berttheclock

      The only position of need last year which would have fallen to the Chiefs was the talented TE, Ertz. Actually, Justin Hunter, WR, was the player taken just ahead of him who was taken in that 2nd round spot. SF traded it to Tennessee. But, Moore has only been in 3 games in the last two years. He did have a surge, especially, against the Chiefs in 2011 after coming from the Panthers. But, I really do not see how just getting extra draft picks would have helped in the long run.

      • jimfromkcj

        Go back and look at the players picked in Rd 2 in last years draft. Dave Amerson was on my mock and has turned out pretty good, Justin Hunter has had a productive ear for the Titans.,Manti Teo and Arthur Brown from K. St. would have been our WSLB of the future. John Banks is another CB who has been productive for the Bucks, So that 2nd rd pick could have been beneficial for the Chiefs. As for the LT position, who knows how Fisher might have done if he was plugged in at his normal position ? He might have been able to just play the position without all the problems of having to concentrate on just learning a new position. And last but not least, If Moore had got injured, it would not be a calamity because he would have been a transition until we could draft a franchise QB anyway..

    • PunjabiPete

      There is no way this is serious.

  • A1 Yola

    Smith showed his potential in that playoff game. He just takes too much time to make a decision. He is really good in the red zone , but overlooks receivers when pressured on passing downs.

  • Michael Shaw

    I will answer this yes or no question with a resounding, YES! YES! YES! YES! AS for Micah bashing Alex and wanting anyone buy Alex…………who cares! He can do like the rest of us…………..want in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up faster. He didn’t get the QB he wanted and I didn’t get the LB I wanted a couple of years ago, Kuechly.

    • micah stephenson

      This year I’d like Menziel, Bortles, Bridgewater, or Carr. Kop wants 18 mill a yr, so no telling how much Alex wants. B best to draft a guy that might make about 4 mill a yr for 4 years.

  • berttheclock

    Had the Chiefs gone the Matt Moore way, when, would they find a quality QB to build the team? Luck and RG3 may be the last of the quality QBs coming out of the draft for quite awhile. There was no quality in last year’s draft and this years so-called crop may be mediocre, as well. Just because the pundit touts start raving about this or that “named” QB doesn’t mean they will ever last in the NFL. If you look back at 2005, you will find only Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers ever did anything at QB. The QB taken just after GB took Rodgers was Jason Campbell and the last of the many QBs taken in that draft was Ryan Fitzpatrick. The ones in between have fallen through the cracks. With so many colleges going to the spread, the pro-typical QB may end up being a thing of the past. BTW, the reason I did not mention, either, Wilson or Kap is for all their glory so far, they are still learning how to play the game.

    In the late seventies, I saw Vince Ferragamo possess the strongest arm in the NFL. He could complete the deep out better than anyone. Following a pinkie injury to Haden, Ferragamo became a star and led the Rams to the Super Bowl. Everyone in LA was raving about him and he was considered to be THE QB of the future. One small problem is the Cowboys figured out if you could stop his deep throws, he would throw INTs on his changeups. His star descended rapidly. He reminded me of something the late great Charlie Whittingham, one of the finest horse trainers ever, said about thoroughbreds. He said they were like strawberries which could turn south in a heartbeat. Same with many of the shooting stars in the NFL, especially, at QB. If you have one who is progressing, has lasted for several years and is becoming better in each game, don’t throw him away.

  • Andy

    No offense, but ‘what if’ player questions are not constructive. Too many intangibles. Bottom line, we picked a bad year too suck, and a bad year to not have our full compliment of draft picks.

  • Bdiddy

    Ever hear the expression about “A bird in the hand…”? It goes quadruple when it comes to NFL and the draft. Alex is a bird in the hand. Why would you second guess the decision to trade 2 second rounders for a QB that showed us he could obviously lead this team (and has the head coach’s confidence) when you consider the eminent disaster that surrounds KC Chiefs drafted QB’s?!

  • trinity

    It depends on the expectations of your fan base. Sure, he has made them better. But I give more credit to the coach and defense than I do alex Smith. With him as quarterback, the best you guys will ever do is make the playoffs. No AFC championship since they aren’t a top 2 or even 3 team in the AFC, and certainly not a superbowl. He is a game manager. Plain and simple. He won’t lose for you, but he absolutely cannot win for you either. He’s a middle of the road QB.

    • micah stephenson

      I agree. And if we ever get down by 14 game is over. Smith is not bringing you back.

      • trinity

        Exactly man. I don’t get these fans. They act like this guy is some elite quarterback, and that is puzzling. They seem to forget that his career was a absolute epic failure for the first 8 years, because he is simply not talented enough to carry a team on his own.Then haharbaugh came in and worked magic, and turned alex Smith into the best thing he could be. Simply a game manager. That’s it. As you said, he’s not winning a damn thing for them.

        • berttheclock

          Absolute Bull Shit. 8 years? He was drafted in 2005 and shoved into starting behind a terrible O-line with little talent on that team. He had to suffer through, not only that year, but, three more after that as Scott McCloughan and Trent Baalke were finding talent. Combine that with the fact he had a new OC every year and one of them was Jimmy Raye, who was pathetic. He had a break out year in 2011 and came within a fumble of taking his team to the SB. You really have not followed his career and , as far as that equally pathetic name calling of “game manager”, well, look no further thn Russell Wilson, who really is a game manager and he won the freakin’ Super Bowl.

          • micah stephenson

            Sound like a bunch of excuses to me. I want results. Not excuses.

          • KCMikeG

            So why don’t you skip the excuses when it comes to Bowe? Why don’t you apply the same comparison by matching up Bowe’s stats with Josh Gordon, Megatron & Dez? And how many more millions is he making than Alex Smith? I didn’t hear AS11 say he was “tired” in the playoff game or that he showed up in less than good shape in camp after getting a $56M pay day. Seems to me if you are looking for someone to criticize then that would be a better starting point.

          • micah stephenson

            Look at Bowes QB. He hardly threw him the ball. Which is kinda understandable. If you want to keep it real, you will notice pre snap bowe looks singled, right at snap count d shifts to doubled. Everybody knows when you play the Chiefs stop Charles, which can’t b done, and stop bowe, which can b done. Bowe don’t get open by 5-10 yards so Alex is scared to throw to him. Bowe the type that’s get the ball even in tight coverage. So this yr Alex can’t b acting Scared. Thats funny that we have a SUPER CONSERVATIVE QB who wants to check down to the rb on every play, but yet fans complain that ours wrs don’t have a lot of yards. Did any of Alexs wrs in san fran every have a lot of yards. Bowe also have played with bum Qbs his whole career. Alex is slightly better than bum but not close to being great. Also the articles are never about Bowe, its about the qb.

          • micah stephenson

            Idk how Josh Gordan got his yards, but both Matt Stafford and Romo pass for 4500-5000 yards a yr. Alex ain’t one if them type of QBs dude. With Smith Bowe is lucky to get 1000 yards a yr. Unless Smith unbitch up and start throwing him the rock!

          • KCMikeG

            My point is you keep comparing AS11 to what Peyton and Brady have done yet I don’t see you comparing Bowe to the best WR’s. Why does he get a pass but it is always blame Alex time?

            Not saying Alex is one of those guys but he is ascending and is already close. Romo had 500 yards more which is like 30 yards per game – wow! Stafford had 80 yards per game more, lower completion % with only 6 more TD’s and 12 more INT’s. Now let’s compare Bowe to Megatron & Dez Bryant.

          • micah stephenson

            Elite Wrs are not as important than elite QBs to me.

          • KCMikeG

            So Bowe just gets a pass for not measuring up even though we pay him top 5 money? And AS11 gets disrespected because he wasn’t PM or PR in his first year in a new system on a new team with 30 new players. That makes no sense and only serves your misguided opinion.

    • Bdiddy

      Seriously? How did he lose the Wildcard game last year? Was it his 30 completions to 46 attempts for 378 yards and 4 TD’s with 0 INT’s? What exactly did he NOT do that he should have done to win that game and advance us in the playoffs? How about in the 2011 NFC Divisional game when he was QBing the Niners against the Saints? How did he lose that one?

      Alex is a cerebral player…he doesn’t take unnecessary risks…so he is a game manager. Whatever…

      • trinity

        Lol oh, he’s a cerebral player huh? That’s how you want to put his game? Lol Peyton manning is a cerebral player. Tom Brady is a cerebral player. Alex Smith is just a guy who’s obvious limitations forces him to play it safe. I never said he sucks. I said he’s a game manager. He can win if he stays out of the way and let his defense and running game close the deal. Sure he had a great playoff game statistically. Of course, we both know that is not the norm for him lol. Simply look at his entire body of work and you will see that I’m right. And plus, again, he lost that playoff game because the defense didn’t show up for him. All he really proved is that even his very best is not enough to win.

        • micah stephenson

          Amen! Preach!

          • berttheclock

            Ah, the cast for the new version of “Dumb and Dumber” are visiting AA, today..

          • micah stephenson

            Ew for real! I want an autogragh and a picture. Lol

          • KCMikeG

            Sure they’re great but Only statistically though……

  • trinity

    Alex Smith is an average quarterback. Middle of the road.

    • micah stephenson

      Ranked 17th in yards last yr. Chiefs passing ranked 24th. I’m not sure what some of them wur lookin at.

      • trinity

        Exactly, I agree. They act like this guy is a rookie who will still grow. He is what he is lol

  • matt youngberg

    Hey wasnt Alex a fumble away from going to the super bowl.. hmmmm! Lmao

  • Larry Devore

    If it hadn’t been for the Chiefs secondary, they would have won the playoff game against Indy. Can’t pin the loss on AS11. He did everything team asked of him and more.

    • jimfromkcj

      We lost that game because of poor play calling and poor clock management. I would lay that one on Reid and no body else.

      • berttheclock

        No. Only if you subscribe to the “Buck stops here” theory of running any organization would Reid be considered to be ultimately responsible. It was the reluctance of Sutton to adapt to the offensive schemes of the Colts. Now, if this continues in 2014, then, it will come down to Reid having a “Got a minute” moment with Sutton and handing him his pink slip.

        • micah stephenson

          Sutton should have played more cover 2 but Ried should have ran the ball more. Even if we would have kept get n 3 and outs, it would have ate up enough clock to prevent the colts comeback. Alex Fumbled, Ried bad managment, d had bad coverage, team loss. Move on.

          • berttheclock

            Run the ball more????????????????????????????

            Were you going to suit up and run the ball? Davis broke his leg and Charles was out, so, please tell me micah as you really watched that game, Who The Hell Was Going To Run The Damn Ball?

          • micah stephenson

            Gray and sherman. That why I said even if they got 0 yards and a 3 and out every time it still would ate enough clock to prevent the comback. Instead we kept throwing, stoping the clock, and allowed enough time for the comback.

  • Ed

    Not watching Matt Casell throwing pick: Priceless!!!!!!!!

  • GDL40

    I´ll admit, Alex played a lot better than I expected. However, This question obviously is only considering LAST season, we don´t know yet what will happen this season. He can play the same, better, or worse. So is it worth it to have ONE good season (again, so far) while giving up TWO 2nd round picks, two good picks on top of that, especially with this year´s draft class……I would say NO it was not worth it, IF he plays like last year or better this year, and a couple more, maybe even win a playoff game, then I would say YES. But since we only know what happened last year, I would take those 2 picks and sacrifice another shitty season last year.

  • Phillip Maxwell

    For me it is simple….we had a cast of Probowlers who were not getting any younger and their window closing. We brought in a capable QB that is seasoned to win now.
    Geno might turn into a great QB some day but, he would of led us to about 5 wins last year….maybe.

    • micah stephenson

      Wow!!! Geno led a talentless jets team to an 8-8 record but would only lead a real talented chiefs team full of probowlers to 5 wins? I never saw Alex do anything Geno could not do.

      • Phillip Maxwell

        You never saw Alex do anything Geno couldn’t do? How about 23 TDs and only 7 INTs?
        Geno is a INT machine.
        Wasn’t it like 21 INTs and only 12 TDs?

        • micah stephenson

          It was a lot of ints. Geno over estimated what his wrs could do. He was a rookie. I believe P.Manning led the lg in ints his rookie season. Also keep in mind Geno actually throws it more than 2 or 3 yards downfield unlike Alex.

  • Justin R Groth

    I said no but honestly I have gone to not sold at the time of the trade (for good reasons) now I’m leaning toward ok with it. I still stand by my statement that Alex isn’t a great QB or even a very good one. He is above average but how much I’m not consistently sure by how much. Can we win with him, yes we can however I believe he needs a strong supporting cast which is fine. is he my fav qb? No, would I have liked a young qb to watch grow and be our leader yes. Will playing well consistently and winning take away some more doubts yes. so not sold but not upset anymore…

  • Austin Bradley

    We’ll the trolls can say what they want and say they speak for many but just look at the poll 95% voted yes so it looks like T&M are in the minority not the majority. They have a right to there opinion even if they can’t debate it with bias.

  • Jacob Wan

    If dollars today are worth more than dollars tomorrow, then maybe so are wins.

  • Stan Colbert

    I was not impressed with Alex Smith trade at the time! Howexer, he has proven to have the skill to win in this league. No one outside Seattle believes Wilson a great QB! Smith will get better and play well in the future. Two second round picks are worth the opportunity for 3-4 year playoff run.