Cowher-Vick 2009 (A Post-Game Report Requires An Actual Game)
I loved this morning’s “The Fanatic Focus,” but for me the only step in the right direction is to end the Herm Edwards-Brodie Croyle era at the end of this season. I’d prefer to do it now, but keeping Herm-Brodie as the lame duck ticket for the rest of the season might make the Chiefs the favorites to pick first in the 2009 draft. Patience, old man, patience. You see–I’ve got it.
Rash decision? Not hardly. I’ve been wanting to come out and publicly denounce, reject, whatever the Herm-Brodie combo since last year, but buckled under reader pressure until I had more ammo. I now have that ammo. In relationships, we always have that “it’s over” moment. That moment that we desperately avoid when we want things to work out, but eventually can’t. While watching game film today (I had to stop because the pain was so agonizing), I realized that I’ve already had those moments with both Brodie and Herm, despite the season still being in its infancy. I’ve known all along that both were longshots, but deep down I convinced myself that there was still a shot. I can no longer do that after what I’ve seen.
George Costanza always said “it’s not you, it’s me.” Well, Herm, Brodie, it’s not me, it’s you. I’ve tried to convince myself over the past two-plus years that you guys are the duo who will take the Red and Gold back to the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, I’m not a very good liar. I now know unequivocally that this project is doomed, and here’s how I know…
The Herm moment was when he seriously thought he could sneak in a 5′9″ practice squad receiver and run the option in an NFL regular season game. For a second there, I though Mark “Mighty Mouse” McMillian had made his triumphant return. Then I realized it was Marques Hagans. So, we have one of the highest-paid battering-ram backs in the league, and not only do we run Larry Johnson 12 times–mostly to our weaker left side and on excruciatingly predictable first downs–but we squander five of his carries so Mugsy Bogues can play Michael Vick (more on him in a minute)? No serious pro coach would even entertain such a foolish idea–that’s a college gimmick.
The Brodie moment was when he went down with a game-ending injury for the third time in seven starts. No serious quarterback option is out of commission almost 50 percent of the time. If that’s not enough, just look at his 0-7 record. J.T. O’Sullivan is 1-1 playing with the 49ers. The guy sounds like a chain of restaurants and only Mike Martz was crazy enough to want him, but at least he’s won.
We want to play smashmouth football? Well, we’re not getting the job done. We want to have a mobile quarterback who can boot out, make plays with his arm and legs, keep the chains moving, stay healthy and take care of the football? Well, we’re not getting the job done.
I know a knew ticket that would get the job done. Bill Cowher-Michael Vick!
Cowher has Kansas City ties, and after coaching for so long in Pittsburgh coming back to Kansas City would be the next closing thing to going home. His teams are always good, and he knows both defense and offense. The guy pulls off more tricks than the Red Light District, folks, especially offensively. With our defensive line and outside linebackers (Demorrio Williams and Derrick Johnson), we could even move to the 3-4. Hey, it’s working pretty well for the Cowboys, Pats and Steelers, isn’t it? He would also instantly rejuvenate a lethargic fan base.
Speaking of rejuvenating a fan base, enter Mike Vick. Sorry Kansas and Missouri fans, but there are only two non-NFL quarterbacks in the MO-KS area that we should be interested in, and their names aren’t Chase Daniel and Todd Reesing (just say “no” to system byproducts!). They are K-State’s Josh Freeman and Leavenworth Penitentiary’s Michael Vick. Freeman might declare early if he continues on his current 2008 trajectory. Vick will be released, barring a setback, between May-October 2009, likely getting out in time to suit up for the 2009 season.
Say what you will, but Vick has paid his debt to not just the NFL, but also society. You can’t say the same about one Pacman Jones. I also think that Vick is a better person than Pac and the like, one who ultimately fell victim to the company he kept and enabled. What he was involved in was terrible, but he didn’t paralyze a person like Pacman, and he’s paying a much higher price. Look at Jamal Lewis, who did hard time due to keeping some bad company. He came back a new man; contrite, humbled and refocused. I think Vick will do the same. Remember, both were pinpointed by authorities as guys that examples could be made of. Vick is paying his price, and, if you ask me, he deserves another shot.
In Cowher we’d have a Super Bowl-winning coach who wouldn’t be willing to come back to many other teams, but I think he’d return to Kansas City in a heartbeat. In Vick, we’d have a former No. 1 overall pick and the greatest running QB in NFL history, and for what price? Just his “discount” salary, not a No. 1 pick (which is probably what we would have to give up to get fan favorite Brady Quinn). A lot of the league will avoid him like Shaun “Big Baby” Rodgers does salads. We’d be free to spend our top-five pick on another stud offensive lineman or middle linebacker Rey Maualuga. All of a sudden, L.J. and Tony Gonzalez are worth keeping around because we are a playoff contender. Maybe not in 2009, but definitely in 2010. Dwayne Bowe can play Hines Ward and Jamaal Charles can play Fast Willie Parker. Tell me it wouldn’t work. Nah, don’t–I won’t believe you anyway. This would work.
It starts here, at Arrowhead Addict. The campaign for the 2009 Cowher-Vick ticket. Not just change for the sake of change, but change we can believe in. Rebuilding the Red and Gold to glory!
Post-Game (If You Can Even Call it That) Thoughts:
Damion Sackintosh has to go. Good call on McSack, Chris.
Bernard Pollard is a beast. He’s always been one of my faves (he was in the header last season), but he’s pretty close to being my favorite at this point. Blocked punts, stripped balls, jacked-up hits, fumble recoveries, impossible Run DMC chasedowns–the guy is a player. I see him being the leader of our defense for years to come. Guys with his heart and passion don’t come along every day.
Poor Marques Haggans. He’s allegedly a pretty decent slot receiver for a guy who’s relatively new to the position. What he is not, however, is an NFL quarterback. Dude needs a highchair to see over the line.
Poor Tyler Thigpen. He needs to pull a Haggans and move to receiver full time. Watching Thiggy Smalls play quarterback is like listening to Ashlee Simpson sing live.
Poor Adrian Jones. Not only was he not blessed with exceptional talent, but he has to play next to Sackintosh.
Poor Tony G. If we do not make a bold move such as the Cowher-Vick ticket, we need to do what the Dolphins did for J.T. and send him to a contender. We owe it to him.
Poor L.J. 12 of the most predictable rushing plays I’ve ever seen called behind half an offensive line and laughable quarterback play. Larry is a 20-30 carry feature back who gets stronger as the game goes on, as he gets into a rhythm and beats down defenses. You see how Marion Barber runs late in games. L.J. used to do that, too, but he can’t now. Why? Because we haven’t had a freakin’ lead since Week 14 of last year. Remember what he did when we had a lead in the Chicago preseason game? Let’s be honest here, if you’re calling for Larry’s head, then you just don’t like him. That doesn’t bug me, just have the stones to come out and say it. This is not his fault at all, and I would worry more if he didn’t bitch. Like his mom said, Larry loves football and wants to earn his paycheck. How about we let him?
Pat Thomas is a stick-a-finger-in-the-dam job. Let’s get back to reality, shall we?
Goodbye Donnie Edwards. Hello, Done-ie Edwards.
Brodie Croyle is fragile, but tough. Damon Huard is not tough. I’d like to say more, but we are a family-friendly site.
D-Bowe is fine. He played great on Sunday.
Tamba Hali. Color me concerned.
Jarrad Page, like Keith Olbermann says on Countdown, you got “Bushed!” (hat tip to Zach on that joke) A.) Use your arms and hands and wrap up when you tackle, son. B.) Never, ever quit like you did on that Michael Bush TD. I hope everyone laughed at you during game film. That was embarrassing. I’m embarrassed for you, kind of like I was for Ben Stiller during Meet the Parents.
The Brandons are progressing quite nicely.
Chain Gailey, if Herm is President Bush, then you’re Dick Cheney. If we’re fighting a War on Terror, we’re losing. Your offense terrifies me!
Tank Tyler, you are living up to your nickname, friend. Keep it up, big fella. We may have gotten a steal due to character concerns.
Turk McBride wasn’t the only Chief who got kicked in the stomach Sunday–the rest of us did, too.
I think we used Kolby Smith too much. It needs to be Larry and Jamaal Charles–Thunder and Lightening.
Turk, hurry back. Alfonso Boone was terrible at defensive end.
Was that Al Davis smiling, or was that a posthumous involuntary muscle twitch? That was sickening. On that note, I’m dead, too…
What are your thoughts on the hypothetical Cowher-Vick ticket?
I’d pay good money to get Cowher here. I’ll pay good money for an assassination attempt of Michael Vick if we try to sign him. Vick sucks. I guarantee you the Falcons called in the dog fighting to the cops so the could get rid of him.
September 16th, 2008 at 5:22 pmi agree with you on on your post game evaluations of the players, but bringing back mike vick. please!!! we would be the laughing stock of the nfl, i dont think we are that desperate for a QB. i would take fragile croyle over criminal vick anyday. no one is going to take vick back, it would kill the moral of any team, and theres no way he will ever be the same game changing QB as he was when he played. he’ll pry be in the canadian league when he gets out of prison. but… i wouldnt mind us drafting josh freeman or bringing in bill cower
September 16th, 2008 at 5:25 pmExcellent post. But then again, most are at Arrowhead Addict. As I mentioned in my last comment for the A Step In The Right Direction post, I too, have given up on Herm Edwards. I will go ahead and assume that our offense is going to be ghastly all year, and at this point, Herm is RUINING LJ’s career, and that is … unacceptable. Actually, it’s worth Herm getting canned over, but I know that won’t happen. LJ and Tony G are getting ripped off. Fortunately for Tony G , he gets MORE opportunity as the game progresses. Herm is killing LJ. Herm is an old-fashioned coach, in fact too much so. I’m very, very bitter at Herm Edwards right now, and it’s only going into week 3 of the season. This has never happened with me before. But like you said, the breaking point has already occurred.
September 16th, 2008 at 5:29 pmPS As long as King Carl or Clark Hunt are around, Vick will never be here. Although, Carl did bring in a drug cartel with Bam Morris and Dale Carter. But yeah, I disagree about Vick, plus he’s aging, it wouldn’t be a permanent fixture.
September 16th, 2008 at 5:32 pmAhh, like the Johnny Cash Album…
“The Man Comes Around”.
Where are all you guys that were squawking about a winning season? Where are the Herm lovers? Brodie Lovers? (echo Brodie Lovers Brodie Lovers…)
I am so despondent about the state of the Chiefs right now that it makes me sick. At least we won’t be on nationally this year…actually I wish we were so the media would trounce KC management and ownership further.
Maybe we should trade LJ. Screw Brady Quinn, lets take Derek Anderson off their hands at a discounted rate as he isn’t playing very well, but we’ve seen what he can do. At least he can see over the line.
Being $39 million under the cap just to let your highest paid players get hurt behind a shoddy line makes no sense to me. It would be like doing some new construction in New Orleans. Bad idea.
Why not get Vick at this point, we already scraped the bottom of the bottom with what we have now at QB? Lets just get him at least he’d be fun to watch and we wouldn’t be giving up after Week 2 like Herm did.
September 16th, 2008 at 5:48 pmWhy take a chance on a convicted felon, when Quinn Gray is out there? We’d get him just as cheaply as Vick, minus the media circus that would follow Michael around, and he’s basically MV with worse legs and a better arm.
Thinking about it though, I’d rather have either one than Brodie (Why God, can’t you stay freakin’ healthy!) or Thigpen (Jesus, go play on an 8-lane highway, it’d make our lives easier.) Huard I’d keep around, as he’s a veteran, provides a spark whenever he comes in and makes throws, and given time, he WILL make the throws. It’s more than Thigpen has shown. He won’t be around much longer, I say throw him that mill or two he’s getting on his contract just as a ‘consolation prize’ for us getting him owned, and possibly have post-career injuries, behind our shitty lines.
PS: Adam, why’d ya hafta hate on my Quinn Gray or D. Culpepper arguments before, and then go and say we should get Vick, it’s basically the same thing, especially when you think about Vick not being able to fully train like he used to, getting older, and having a ton of rust. He likely won’t be anywhere close to what he was before.. Meanwhile, Gray played (in Indianapolis, a tough place to play QB anyhow) in the pre-season, and shined. Pssh.
September 16th, 2008 at 6:13 pmAdam I like you, but you have lost your mind.
Michael Vick!!!!!!
He was not even good when he was at the top of his game. I would hate to see Vick in KC. Hate it!!!!
It is time to take that number one pick and invest it in a QB with real promise.
Brodie was injury prone in College, why are we so surprised now?
GO CHIEFS!!!!!
September 16th, 2008 at 7:06 pmman xxxlp i watched some indy ps games and gray looked bad when i watched him play.
September 16th, 2008 at 7:31 pmwhat would be so bad about vick? NOTHING someone said hes WORSE than what we’ve got i ask you ARE YOU INSANE?(post2) we ARE that desperate for A QB(BTW we dont have one)
Bring cowher in and the mike vick joke isnt funny that guy sucks
September 16th, 2008 at 7:46 pmHe threw for almost 1,000 yards this pre-season alone.. That’s 4 games, splitting time with Lorenzon and Sorgi, and obviously at times playing with lesser talent than he should have.. Here’s his stats for the pre-season:
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
80 144 986 55.6 6.85 80 10 5 10 85.6
And in one game, he threw 1 touchdown and 4 interceptions, against a good Buffalo D. So other than that, he’s 9/1 TD/PICK ratio. Even 10-5 is preferable to what Brodie/Thigpen/even my boy Huard have done thus far. And at this moment, if Thigpen could pass for an 85.6 QB Rating, I’d probably shit a brick.
Seriously, what’s so bad about Quinn? He’s 29, but as Adam so fervently points out about LJ, he has very little wear-n-tear on his body, so he’s effectively younger. I gaurantee you Michael Vick has a little wear-n-tear on his body, if ya’knaw’w'mean? *Snicker.* Gray’s still got fresher legs than 90% of the ’scrambling’ QB’s in the league, he weighs in at a hefty 254 lbs. which makes him like Donovan McNabb-Ultra-Lite. If we’re going to struggle with Thigpen, I’d much rather have those kinds of stats on the team than Thigpen’s performances. Does noone remember that he had a game this pre-season where he went 0′fer? And technically he DID complete a pass, but it was for -5 yards? If you finish a game with NEGATIVE YARDS PASSING, ON MORE THAN ONE THROW, IT’S TIME TO FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION. And to think, this guy is not only still on our team, he is STARTING! Quinn Gray and Oher (and a trade up for Rey Maualuga) in ‘09!
September 16th, 2008 at 7:46 pmMaybe this is one of those situations where you have to hit rock bottom before you can recover. Pretty sure Mike Vick and the Chiefs have both hit rock bottom,(God help us if we havn’t). Could be a suiting pair. I actually wouldn’t object to bringing Vick in as long as it doesn’t cost us any real money.
As far as the draft, I would rather spend our high picks on lineman and linebackers, we need them both badly.
I don’t think another year of Brodie would be so bad if we can bring in some quality back-up.
September 16th, 2008 at 7:53 pmAnd just for comparison with Gray, here are Thigpen’s pre-season numbers this year:
Completions:25
Attempts:54
Completion Percentage:46.3%
Yards:282
Average Yards per Pass:5.2
Touchdowns:2
Interceptions:3
Sacks:4
Rating:51.6
Yeah, there’s our guy. Rah-freakin’-rah.
September 16th, 2008 at 7:54 pmWow. Anyone against bringing michael vick to kansas city is RETARDED. Look at our quarterback situation right now and tell me you don’t want vick over some dogs.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:04 pmBring in Vick at qb, Cower at head coach, and Marty for GM!!! Super Bowl champs 2011!
September 16th, 2008 at 8:12 pmJASON
September 16th, 2008 at 8:15 pmwhat was so bad about Quinn Gray’s play in the preseason. His stats are great compared to any of our qb’s. Maybe he wasn’t a Peyton Manning but 10 td’s, with 5 int’s, 986 yds, and a rating of 85.6 would look good on any of what we are calling qb’s. Plus he has good arm strength, is somewhat mobile, and CAN SEE OVER THE LINE.
I think bringing in Mike Vick would be an awesome idea. Here’s why;
1. He’s bankrupt, or near to. The guy will play for thigpen’s salary. Give him a minimal base salary but stack it with achievement incentives. Thats Win-Win!
2. His trade value will be lower than our patience level with the chiefs. I reckon we could get him for a real low 2nd day conditional pick.
3. He’s been in prison for two years when he gets out. What do you do in prison? Work out and sleep. The guy is going to be in tremendous shape when he leaves. Plus, i imagine, every day, hes playing football with his buddy’s, so he wouldnt be to rusty.
4. After we get hammered all season long, Madden 2010 will absolutely destroy our player ratings. Playing with our chiefs will be no fun at all. Bring in Vick, and I think that could be pretty fun to play with.
5. Vick will be playing like a man posessed, like he has just been locked up in a cage for two years and finally can run free. Imagine all that bottled rage he could take out on opposing defenses. Ohh wait, he has been locked up in a cage. My bad.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:23 pmYou workout, eat, sleep, and shower occasionally, but you don’t get the same kind of working out he would get outside of a prison.. Not even close. He did alot of plyometrics and agility training, and other than strength training or good ol’ fashioned ‘let Mikey run around the compound’ stuff, I doubt he got very much accomplished. Besides, he will be slower because he’s going to be walking bow-legged, and we all know why that is don’t we? Morale of the story? Don’t make dogs fight, you get F’d in the A. Quite literally.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:27 pmI just had to post this… Funny Statement from HERM
Q: Which quarterback gives you the best chance to win?
EDWARDS: “I think both of them. I think it’s just how you want to orchestrate it this week. We’re going to determine who the starter will be but both will be available to play along with Martin, who will play too. That’s how we’ll look at it.”
So more of last week with the QB situation it appears.. Ohhh.. can’t wait!!!!!!!
Go CHIEFS! (my ! marks keep going down and down) SHAME!
September 16th, 2008 at 8:34 pmScratch VICK out…but as far as this season is going thus far.. Hell throw in a Baldwin City High School QB why your in the mix of all this crazy QB jazz. (I live in Baldwin City and our Highschool program blows, but weird as it is… the QB passed for more yard then either of the quarterbacks we have and took way way more hits then Mr.Fragile and MR. ‘I had to lie because I was asked too Huard’…come on!!
September 16th, 2008 at 8:39 pmOh one last post pertaining to Vick… We blow this year as we are well on our way of doing if things don’t change, lose more fan base as what is about if not already begun and then throw in VICK? OUCH.. would kill fan base!
Not a good idea at all in my opinion.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:42 pmI just love this idea that we are going to find this diamond in the ruff, eg. A Tom Brady, if we start enough players. Its not going to be haurd, a terrified veteran, or thigpen, a small mobile Qb, who we got of another teams practice squad, or Martin, an unproven practice squad guy. We need to either draft a Qb in the 1st or 2nd round, or buy a good one through Free Agency.
If the price is right, I reckon there is no harm in bringing in Vick.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:48 pmBeing down here in Atlanta for the last seven years, I’ve seen the whole Michael Vick thing first hand. He’s terribly inaccurate, and never had a grasp of any offense they installed. Not too bright. Cowher would be incredible, if we could get him. I agree, we need to get a real honest to God QB in the draft, although I’m a little concerned about CP making that pick. Who was the last QB he drafted in the second round, back in the 90’s? Vlassic? Blundin? The fact that I can’t even freakin’ remember is pretty concerning in and of itself. I don’t see Cowher coming here as long as CP is in charge as well.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pmBringing in Vick still in my opinion not a good idea for the fan base..HOWEVER, He is 5 times better then what we have..so take the balance beam if I had to… yeah.. VICK would be a lot better of a choice..still think it could hurt the fan base even more..just because of the baggage.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:58 pmI like the Vick idea. He paid his dues and could sure hold his own behind our o line.
September 16th, 2008 at 9:40 pmare you seriouos guys think of the name ur sayin!! MIKE VICK!!!!! HE’S TERRIBLE HE WANTS TO RUN BEFORE HE EVEN READS THE RECIEVERS…YES HE HAS AN ARM BUT HES SO INNACURATE………..and straight out of prison u know he’s gonna be rusty and our franchise quaterback is gonna be a thuggy dog fighter fresh out of prison no way!!! i’d rather have a risk of a 1st round quaterback draft pick!!!
GO CHIEFS!!!
September 16th, 2008 at 9:46 pmThough I know that this is the start of some sort of campaign or something, the chances of Mike Vick rocking the red and gold are slim to none. Our suits in the front office wont even TRY to get Vick into a KC jersey. Its all we’re used to (or should be at this point). We’ve let a lot of chances slip through our hands and it has obviously affected our team. Whether it was not moving up a couple spots in the draft to steal Brady Quinn or not signing Max Starks when he was out there (in which now he warms the bench for Pittsburgh). What about Chris Simms? I know some here wasnt of favor in signing him, but what would you all say now?? Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but Chris Simms is a hell of a lot better than Thigpen and Haggans, maybe even Huard, and prbably even Brodie… But no. He spent ALL day in Kansas City and we let him go off and get signed in Tennessee.
We dont seize opportunities.
Now, COWHER! THATS a Campaign I will hop on. Im all for bringing in Cowher or Shottenheimer!
Its all chess, fellas….
September 16th, 2008 at 9:55 pmWe got all the pieces put together, we just need the right person to make the moves.
Sorry guys I think this let em go to a better team we owe it to them is CRAPPOLA. This is a business, where people are traded like cattle every day. Dont like that, then dont enter the NFL. I am pretty sure that Priest Holmes is just fine with sticking with the Chiefs until he retired. Being on a winning team where the crowd isnt supportive and doesnt know you isnt all its cracked up to be WE LOVE TONY G at arrowhead, nobody else would give him the support we give him. Archie Manning is a legend, he was a great player on a crappy team his entire career. Barry Sanders? Waaaaaa! Im quitting because I got on a sucky team. Didnt give any of that money back though .
September 16th, 2008 at 10:05 pmVick would be a thuggy dogfighter fresh out of prison! He runs the ball before he even finds a reciever. Innacurate passing arm! Wow sounds like one hell of a qb to me! Compared to what we have now and whats out there. Vick or Vinni? Vick or Culpepper? I say VICK !
September 16th, 2008 at 10:08 pmWell… not that this Vick topic isnt interesting n all… But since we’re on the discussion of 2009, I wanna throw some names (09′ UFAs) out there that I think could help this team and give us the best chance at winning.
-Bart Scott (BAL LB): As of right now we have a couple problems in our LB corps. That being that Pat Thomas is rank and Donnie Edwards is nearing the end of his career. Now I know Bart is 29 years old, but the guy can play. And I think he’s the kinda player that we need on our team. Now if we had Bart Scott in the middle, D. Williams and D.J. that could be a great threat.
I only call out Bart Scott cause (along with Troy Palamalu & Bob Sanders) Scott happens to be one of my favorite non-Chief players. And also because the chances of us picking up Karlos Dansby are pretty bleek.
Roy Williams (DET WR): Now how amazing would a Roy Williams/ Dwayne Bowe combo be? That’d be like a Wayne/Harrison deal. Both with the ability to be #1 recievers, but playing their respective positions. Roy Williams would be a HUGE threat down field. Hes got speed and size and can give our QB (whoever that’d be) a better chance to do good things. And with Roy Williams, we dont have to think “potential” (like we do with Darling and Webb)… We KNOW what the guy can do.
And at QB, I would honestly be intersted in seeing how we’d do with either J.P. Losman or Jeff Garcia.
Before you get all insane, I know Garcia is getting up there in age, but look at what he did for both the Eagles and Bucs. He played so well and hes not an f’n statue. The guy can move around when he senses danger. And at this point a mobile QB sounds pretty appealing (:::cough-VICK-cough:::)
September 16th, 2008 at 10:49 pmI don’t mean to come down on anyone but…
Taylor are you out of your fucking mind? You’d take brodie over Vick? Get real man..Brodie hasn’t even won a game yet..I think Vick is good actually you know what? I think Vick is the best running qb ever in the history of the game and has a solid arm, even better than Brodies. We’d have a better supporting cast by the time he’d be back than he ever had in Atlanta..It won’t happen but wouldn’t mind it! I’d take Marty or Cowher as a coach..
I just think Vick would be a good insurance policy until we find a qb..But then again I think we will find a qb in the draft this year!
September 16th, 2008 at 10:50 pmSorry man but I couldn’t even read your whole article. You lost me at Mike Vick.
As someone who lives in Atlanta, this is my first year rooting on the Falcons and not hating them for the sole reason of Vick. He is not here, I can say I’m a Falcons fan without feeling like a low life.
I will lose what little respect I have for this franchise 100% of they bring back that loser piece of shit. He will end up on an NFL team for sure, just please god not on the chiefs. He obviously has character issues as well as not being that great of a QB.
On the other hand, in another thread I pointed out that we should pursue Vince Young.
The dude has heart, is a great guy, thrives off a home crowd, and with support and having a supporting cast he could be above average, and has the mobility to play behind probably our offensive line that is the worst in the league.
He is everything that you’re saying for Vick, just not as fast, but isn’t a miserable piece of shit.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:05 pmVY isnt even the starter when he comes back from being injured, and I really think Tennesse is gonna start to screw him over ala Steve McNair, I don’t see why we dont give up a draft pick and Brodie(if they’ll take him) abnd get a good young QB that fits well into our situation.
Anyone else agree?
They’re just not going to trade VY though. He would be too high of a salary cap hit, and the Titans have been in the Top 5 for worst salary cap position since they made the Super Bowl in what.. 2001? It ain’t gonna happen, Jeff Fischer ain’t that dumb. Now, we could get Losman for about a 3rd or 4th rounder, maybe even a pick delegated due to stat achievements, and I’d be fine with that. He’s not the greatest QB in the world, but with our weapons, he’d be fine. He did well in Buffalo and they have Lee Evans and Marshawn Lynch. Personally I’d take D-Bowe and LJ (and Tony G.) over their guys.
I pointed out Garcia awhile back as a temporary (1 or 2 year plug) until we can draft and develop a guy. If we pick a QB high in next years draft, and have Garcia and Brodie on the team, and let the pick sit, and compete with Brodie, it’s going to do one of two things. It’s going to force Brodie to be a better QB, or it’s going to make our pick shine. Either one should do fine after they’ve matured a bit behind Garcia. I wouldn’t mind going that route, and the way things are going for Gruden, we could probably get him for a 4th or 5th pick. I would definetly like to see one of those happen.
Another guy is David Carr. He’s got talent, obviously, but he was stuck behind teams that were truly horrible, more specifically, lines that were truly horrible. I see true potential in our line, and with one, possibly two more additions (and the dethroning of Adrian Jones and D-Mac) we’ll have the start of something great for years to come. Carr would do better, especially since he’s only had really one decent receiver (and pretty shoddy running backs) per each of his teams. He’d have Tony G., D-Bowe, faster backs, and a stud in LJ (if we can game plan a plan that actually works.) It was hard for him to look good when he was on his back more than he was standing in the pocket. I wouldn’t mind him as well.
But the truth of the matter is; we could have Peyton Manning on our squad RIGHT NOW, and it wouldn’t matter, as long as the play-calling is still as horrible as it has been. Even Peyton couldn’t hit guys when they are covered, and predictably so, on 3rd down (and long,) after we run twice, straight up the gut. I’m a BIG hater of R2P2 (Run, Run, Pass, Punt) game-planning, which is what it seems Chancer and Hermes are doing at the moment.
I still wouldn’t like to see Chris Simms, as I’ve pointed out in recent (but buried) posts, Simms has been in the league twice as long as Brodie. He’s been on better teams, especially offensive-line wise, and still barely has twice the stats that Brodie has. He literally is only twice the QB Brodie is, in twice the time. In other words, he’s like an older, more pampered (thanks to his name) Brodie. It’d be basically the same situation. One positive for him though, is despite his appendectomy (or whatever it is he missed all the time for) he isn’t *AS* injury prone as Brodie, which is a big key. That being said, he should have far better stats, but he doesn’t. I can’t see him working out much better than what we currently have.
And Roc- I like your free agent pickups, but they’re 95% chance going to get resigned. Bart is virtually the replacement for Ray Lewis when he retires, or as a fit with another MLB in that 3-4 scheme, they’ll find a way to keep him. Williams in Detroit is also going to get resigned, there’s no problems like there is with Anquan and Arizona, and they’d love to have Calvin Johnson and Williams as a helluva tandem out there for Kitna. They’ll most likely keep him. If he does enter FA, and we don’t snatch him up (with all the cap room we have) I’ll be freakin’ pissed, though. He’d be nice.
So would Anquan for that matter. He’s not happy in Arizona because of the money he’s getting. We just happen to have money, and when we are playing Webb, and Darling, we could definetly use another receiver, especially one like him, a game-changer. If nothing else, it’d ease pressure on the QB simply for the fact they have to stick one of their better defenders on Tony, Dwayne, AND Anquan. That’s one less ‘big name’ guy to make a play against our line. That’d help LJ for sure.
I’m still pissed we didn’t snatch Justin Smiley up. For those of you who don’t know him, he was a RG in San Fran (and a helluva run blocker) for Frank Gore. He’s was a big reason for Gore’s success. He’s now in Miami, and surprise, Miami looks much improved on the line. With Smiley, we would have been good at 4 out of 5 O-line spots, and I honestly believe Herb Taylor can play either G or T positions on the line, so sticking him at RT and having D-Mac for depth at LT, with Richardson backing up Herbie.. Nice. Some people have a problem with Niswanger, but if you watch game-tape, alot of the time he looks even remotely bad is due to Adrian Jones missing an assignment. I’m not saying he doesn’t make mistakes, but for his first year starting, he’s doing nicely, especially since the right side of our line is worse than freakin’ USC’s O-linemen. Seriously.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:43 pmHoly hell, long post. I was just typing like a mad-man, and didn’t realize I was rambling. My bad to any who couldn’t hang with the NOVEL I just posted.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:44 pmWe should never…EVER…pursue Vince Young..he has absolutely none of the intangibles necessary to be an NFL QB (How can you tell if they are intangible…shutup…)
I support Cowher…And at first I was worried about how long it might take him to shift us to a 3-4 but I can see it working out I guess…
Nose Tackle: Glenn and Tank could rotate (both a little small I’ll admit)
September 16th, 2008 at 11:50 pmEnds: Boone and Turk are a good size already
OLB: DJ, Williams and even Tamba maybe could work out in this position if he can work on his coverage…
ILB: Donnie while he lasts and then whoever we can find (Napoleon or Thomas…ehhh)
DB: We are looking ok for the future there…maybe…
xxxlp…Baltimore doesnt really run a 3-4…at least not as their base…a 4-6 Buddy Ryan style business…
Speaking of the Ryan brothers…the only thing that made me laugh during the game sunday was when Thigpen threw a pass out of bounds Rob Ryan caught it and looked around and took off like he had made a pick and was going to the house, it was pretty funny for a Raider’s coach…
September 16th, 2008 at 11:58 pmDid you really just say you were “watching game film”?
September 17th, 2008 at 12:37 amAre you guys talking about vick in ‘09? I dont know if he’ll even be outta prison. For long anyway. The state is waiting to prosecute until he is out (I’ve heard a couple times). He’s only serving federal time right now. He’ll at least be in court again…
September 17th, 2008 at 12:44 amxxxlp… I know what youre saying about Bart, I DID just read that he wants to end his career in Baltimore. But that’d be a dream. A good one at that. But wasnt Roy dying to get outta Detroit during the off-season??
Even if he wasnt… You reminded me, We could SOOO use Boldin! Oh my god! That would the sickest WR team. And I honestly think Darling would make a GREAT #3 WR. Have D.Bowe and Anquan as our playmakers and Darling could be a sweet 3rd guy. Now that looks like an offense.
D.Bowe, Boldin, Darling, T.G., L.J., Cox, and Jeff Garcia! Dude, thats an automatic improvement! With one move and 2 new guys. Wow.
September 17th, 2008 at 12:53 amOh yeah… And thats considering that we develop a better RG and RT.
September 17th, 2008 at 12:54 amYes, Dustin, I fast forward through the game on my DVR a second time. Only takes about an hour, and we’re dedicated to this site being the best on the Net. The “game film” line was kind of tongue in cheek
September 17th, 2008 at 1:47 amYeah Dustin, I record all the games on DVR, and watch them through to look at certain things, like Niswanger or more particularly guys I like (Herb Taylor) when they play. Maybe that makes me a bit weird, but I have insomnia once or twice a week and just don’t sleep, rewinding and watching plays in slo-mo surely help to pass the time, and let me see Chiefs in SORT OF a coaches view point. I’m not saying I’m qualified or anything. I only played in middle school and high school..
I know Woody, but they constantly use Terrell Suggs as a ‘backer/DE hybrid, in either position, so I still count it as a 3-4. He started out at DE, had a monster rookie season, and then they moved him to ‘backer. I think if Tamba works on coverage skills and whatnot, he could do virtually the same thing. He’s got a motor that doesn’t quit, and he’s fairly fast for a DE. Not Dwight Freeney fast, but good enough that he could be that ‘tweener type we would need to run any variant D’s. I like to think that would work out better than us dropping back DT’s into zones 5 or 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. I’ve seen that more than a few times last year, and I know it’s unorthodox and it sometimes catches teams off-guard, but a DT? I know they’re all athletic, but those hefty boys can’t catch even the slowest of TE’s in a foot-race, let alone basically any WR in history (except maybe Sippio.)
And Roc I think Williams did say something about wanting money or wanting out, a la Boldin, but unlike Boldin, he basically said he’d cooperate. Here’s a quote from March: “I’m ready to do whatever,” Williams said Tuesday. “If they want to make me a Lion for life, I’m good with that. If not, I’m going to play my type of ball and see what happens after that.”
It’s amazing how people change their tune when money is flashes/or hinted at, in front of them. If the Lion’s don’t think he’s a top priority and let him go, I’d pay him elite receiver money, even if he’s not in the Top 5 WR’s in the league, he’s definetly up near the top. I know I’d love to have either one of ‘em.
And as for the RG/RT spots.. I seriously dunno what is going through the coaches’ heads. Herb Taylor played extremely well save for one play, this pre-season, at LT. It’s generally accepted that if you can play LT at a high level, you damn well can play RT at a high, if not higher, level. It’s less pressure, and against *usually* easier opposing linemen/’backers. He also worked out alot at RG, before Albert got hurt, and he had to step back into the LT role. I think he’d be fine at either position, but… Despite going through a rebuilding process, and playing 943 rookies on our team, Herb Taylor, a second year guy, is being held back by Adrian Jones (you gotta be kidding me) and Damion McIntosh (a little more believable.) Mind you both of those guys are WELL past their ‘primes’, and I do put emphasis on that word, because neither has shined in this league, although McIntosh was adequate for years as Miami’s LT. Seriously, wtf Herm/Chan? Wtf.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:54 amGreat points, xxxlp. The first time through I want to enjoy the game and watch my fantasy teams during the commercials. I enjoy going back through and focusing on specific plays and players, usually the offensive and, to a lesser degree, defensive line. I jump around and don’t re-watch everything, but I really enjoy it. And, yes, it does put you to sleep. I watch the replay games sometimes on the NFLN–the way they edit those is super cool.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:04 amI would like to see how Herb would work out at our RT spot. But as far as our RG, as high as McIntosh is on my shit list right now, I would big his big ass at RG.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:12 amBut its just dumb for Herm to cry out for youth and he’s got a young guy like Herb ready and willing to play at wherever Edwards wants him.
Adam and xxxlp. I do the same things… On Sunday me and the ol’ lady were watching the game and I was going pack during the commercials and watching the O-Line. Watching McIntosh getting raped. And my girlfriend was like, “what are you doing??” So I had to explain to her they way an Offensive line is SUPPOSED to work as oppose to what we were watching on Sunday.
I was watching who missed their assignments, where guys shouldve been and where they shouldnt have been (Brandon Carr vs Donnie Edwards)
I was watching LJ and could see that there was no where to go for him.
But it IS almost like being a Coach. But not really… I like to think of it as being MORE than a fan.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:23 amxxxlp…Sorry, I meant to put I was being oddly picky about the designation of the fairly exotic D…But that Ryan thing was funny, did anyone else see it?
I do that also, typically sundays i am so tense and on edge about the game that I dont watch individual positions but I will DVR and watch each play, sometimes a number of times…
my problem is that the way we are playing right now I am so pissed off about the way we have played that I can’t bring myself to watch it til midweek when I have recovered…
That leads me to this….How would you all evaluate Phat Albert in Week 2? I was there and noticed him struggling at one point in the game, he was slightly limpy and seemed gassed…how did he look throughout the game?
September 17th, 2008 at 2:56 amOh…and another gameday note or two from my experience at the game this week…I actually went right into the stadium at 1045ish and first thing when I got in was went down to the bench tunnel and DJ signed my jersey, it was sweet…Also went down at the end of the game…Albert and a few other youngens threw gloves to fans (the veterans all went in pissed) and Dorsey actually gave his mouthpiece to a kid in front of me…it was pretty gross…but…I would have taken it if the kid didnt…
September 17th, 2008 at 2:58 amAdam,
Is this your Jason Whitlock impersonation? What’s next…Jeff George?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:48 amMike Vick is currently making twelve cents per hour at Leavenworth. Perhaps if he could maintain the same rate of pay………….just kidding! I don’t want Mr. Vick playing for my Chiefs. Not now, not ever. Bill Cowher is a different situation. I would love to see Bill’s jutting jaw and furrowed brow pacing the sidelines in K.C. red! Just imagine, a real coach again. Makes my blood boil.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:13 amAdam,
Why you shinin’ the hate laser on Donnie Edwards? I thought he looked pretty good on Sunday. Did I miss something?
September 17th, 2008 at 9:57 am[...] in the past, the far less experienced Tyler Thigpen gives them a better chance of winning. I’m not sure if the the Chiefs fans agree: Poor Tyler Thigpen. He needs to pull a Haggans and move to receiver full time. Watching Thiggy [...]
September 17th, 2008 at 4:25 pmAdam,
What about:
YOUR COMMENT: Larry is a 20-30 carry feature back who gets stronger as the game goes on, as he gets into a rhythm and beats down defenses. You see how Marion Barber runs late in games. L.J. used to do that, too, but he can’t now. Why? Because we haven’t had a freakin’ lead since Week 14 of last year.
QUESTION: So you are saying that Larry won’t be any good unless he has up to 20 warm up runs? What NFL team can afford to let a running back do this? If he can’t perform out of the gates, he’s not worth the $$$ he’s getting
YOUR COMMENT: Remember what he did when we had a lead in the Chicago preseason game?
QUESTION: You mean the 8 attempts for a total of 18 yards (long run of 7 yards leaving 11 for the other seven attempts). Averaged 2.3 yards per carry. Is that what the major bucks are paying for?
YOUR COMMENT: Let’s be honest here, if you’re calling for Larry’s head, then you just don’t like him. That doesn’t bug me, just have the stones to come out and say it.
QUESTION: I personally have never met Larry so I don’t know why I would not like “the man.” However, I do know that the Chiefs organization had to pour a truckload of money in his lap to get him to stop whining. Oh yea, the “stones” comment…rolling eyes….
YOUR COMMENT: This is not his fault at all, and I would worry more if he didn’t bitch.
QUESTION: If I didn’t earn my money at my job because others I work with were not doing their job to perfection (okay, I admit, they would have to improve to get to sub-standard), it would not excuse me from busting my butt to do the best I can for the team. Larry was coined a “leader” over the off-season. I’m not seeing it at all. I would love nothing more than to see the Larry that ran all over the Oakland and Denver defenses on 06. And, if he still has it in him, he’s being paid more than enough to let it show.
YOUR COMMENT: Like his mom said, Larry loves football and wants to earn his paycheck. How about we let him?
QUESTION: Twelve attempts aren’t enough? I wish I could try to succeed at my job 12 times and not have to answer for 11 failures (he did have one great run against NE and a decent 7 yarder against Oakland).
Don’t get me wrong, I love watching Larry when he tries to “make the play” instead of “run the play.” But right now he’s only going through the motions of being a running back. I appreciate and respect your loyalty to him, but you may not be seeing the Larry of today through your visions/memories of the Larry from 05 and 06 (Cinci in 05…WOW!). Like I read in one of the replies to this post (talking about owing TG a chance to go to a contender), this is a business where the players are bought and sold like livestock. Larry was purchased for a huge price and if he doesn’t step up to what he agreed to when he took the money, maybe it’s time to give someone else a chance. Look at Larry’s leg work, his head position and his effort after contact. It’s not the same Larry we bought.
Thanks for your great posts and keep them coming. I do hope that Larry proves me wrong and takes the ball and runs it straight up the Falcon’s…well, you know.
Later
September 17th, 2008 at 8:10 pmOh Yea,
When we were on the 5 yard line again NE (end of game), I believe Larry would have scored. That close to the end zone the “old Larry” would have come out and he would have blown through or over the defense.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:18 pm