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		<title>Of Combines and Correlations &#8211; Part 1</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I’m quite certain that right about now most of you are getting pretty frothy about all the undrafted rookie free agents the Chiefs are looking at and/or signing so I&#8217;ll apologize up front if my offering today takes away from such unbridled excitement. Nevertheless, I am what I am and I do what I do.  So if you’ve been feeling a little [...]</p><p><a href="http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/05/11/of-combines-and-correlations-part-1/">Of Combines and Correlations &#8211; Part 1</a> - <a href="http://arrowheadaddict.com">Arrowhead Addict</a> - <a href="http://arrowheadaddict.com">Arrowhead Addict - A Kansas City Chiefs Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;"><a href="http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/05/11/of-combines-and-correlations-part-1/aa-double-take-10/" rel="attachment wp-att-37226"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-37226" title="AA - Double Take" src="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/130/files/2012/05/AA-Double-Take1.jpg" alt="" width="534" height="200" /></a>I’m quite certain that right about now most of you are getting pretty frothy about all the undrafted rookie free agents the Chiefs are looking at and/or signing so I&#8217;ll apologize up front if my offering today takes away from such unbridled excitement. Nevertheless, I am what I am and I do what I do.  So if you’ve been feeling a little neglected, perhaps even frustrated, as a result of going without my statistical emissions for awhile, today I render unto you an opportunity to once again revel in statistical bliss. Yep, the cold, hard, analytical world of Double D is back. Jones away.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">What got me started on all this was a recommended reading link from <a title="Football Outsiders - 2012 Draft Blender" href="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2012/walkthrough-draft-blender" target="_blank">Mike Tanier </a>over at <a title="FootballOutsiders" href="http://www.footballoutsiders.com" target="_blank">Football Outsiders</a>. The name of the site is <a title="Ourlads' NFL Scouting Services" href="http://www.ourlads.com/" target="_blank">Ourlads’ NFL Scouting Services</a>. Maybe some of you are already familiar with the Ourlads folks but discovering it was all fresh to me. Long story short, on the home page of Ourlads I happened across a <a title="Relevance Of The Combine" href="http://www.ourlads.com/pdfs/PhysAttributes_NFLSuccess.pdf" target="_blank">pdf link </a>under the heading of &#8220;Relevance Of The Combine&#8221;, penned by Joe Landers back in 2009. Hmm, thought I.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">In a nutshell, Landers compiled and studied combine results for all positions over a 4 year span, 2005 through 2008, to see whether, or to what degree, combine performance was an indicator of future success in the NFL.  His leading definition of success was whether the prospect played 1<sup>st</sup> team during the 2008 season. What he determined, among other things and perhaps not surprisingly, is that certain measurables tend to be more important than others relative to each position.  For example, doing well in the 40 yard dash, broad jump, and vertical jump appear to be important for the wide receiver position as predictors of future NFL success.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">The foundational element of Landers analysis was to calculate peer averages for each attribute test at each position. He then compared a prospect’s performance to the peer average for that position and simply came up with a metric he termed “Exceeded Peer Average” or EPA for short.  What he essentially learned was that, depending upon position, if a prospect landed in the right EPA bucket(s), and padded on enough extra EPAs in other, less important, attribute tests that the odds of that prospect making 1<sup>st</sup> team were noticeably greater.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">After wading through and understanding Landers’ analysis, the obvious next step for yours truly was of course to see how well the Chiefs’ 2012 draft class fared against their peers and what players to feel most hopeful about. Right?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Let’s begin with our #1 draft pick shall we?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">At the DT position, Landers notes that there were 5 prospects who EPA’d in all 6 attribute tests for that position. In 2008, all 5 of those prospects were starters. Interestingly enough, DT turns out to be the only position where exceeding the peer average on all metrics for the position ultimately translated into a starting job.  </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">The rest of the breakdown goes like this:  12% of prospects with 5 EPAs started, 11% with 4 EPAs started, 12% with 3 EPAs started, 12% with 2 EPAs started, 14% with 1 EPAs started, and 11% with no EPAs started. All in all, short of scoring 6 EPAs, exceeding peer averages at the combine does not appear to be a very good indicator that a DT is likely to become a starter. Still, Landers goes on to note that the risk of bust decreases for DTs who score in the 3 to 5 EPA range, wherein the odds are fairly good for a prospect scoring in that range to at least be either 2 Deep or on the roster. Landers ultimately forecasts future success for a DT prospect to most likely involve an EPA in the 3 cone and in at least 4 other categories. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Using Landers numbers from his 2005 to 2008 dataset (which have probably changed moderately), the peer averages and 1<sup>st</sup> teamer EPA percentages for DTs were as follows:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Short Shuttle: 4.61 sec; 57% of 1<sup>st</sup> teamers scored an EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Three Cone: 7.67 sec; 65% of 1<sup>st</sup> teamers scored an EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Vertical Jump: 30.10”; 43% of 1<sup>st</sup> teamers scored an EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Broad Jump: 106”; 52% of 1<sup>st</sup> teamers scored an EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Forty yard dash: 5.11 sec; 61% of 1<sup>st</sup> teamers scored an EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Bench Reps: 26.43; 43% of 1<sup>st</sup> teamers scored an EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">From this, Landers surmised that an EPA score in the 3 Cone test appears to be the most important indicator of all for DTs wherein 65% of 2008 starters achieved the EPA level as prospects.  Not really too surprising given the need for quickness within close confines that is typically demanded by this position. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Okay so given all that, how did Dontari Poe score relative to his peers? Well, before I answer that question, I think it is probably important and fair to take into consideration that the average weight of a DT prospect is around 305 lbs wherein Poe weighed in at 346 lbs. In other words, Landers does not distinguish between the typically bigger NTs versus typically smaller 43 DTs. To paraphrase Sir Isaac Newton, gravity is such a drag. More on that later.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Dontari Poe’s results were as follows:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Short Shuttle: 4.56 sec; EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Three Cone: 7.9 sec</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Vertical Jump: 29.5”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Broad Jump: 105”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Forty Yard Dash: 4.98 sec; EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Bench Reps: 44; EPA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">In summary, Poe scored EPAs in 3 metrics, which Landers views as respectable, but came up a bit short in the most important of all, the 3 Cone Drill. So what can we take away from all this? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">While it might add to our optimism to know that Dontari Poe exceeded peer averages on all 6 metrics, or at least on the 3 cone and 4 other categories, the reality is that Dontari Poe is a signficantly larger guy than the average member of his peer group. Put simply, he has about 40 extra pounds to lug around compared to the average DT. Think of it this way, strap an extra 40 pounds on your back, and see if you can run the three cone drill just as fast as you did without the extra weight. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Poe’s bigness couldn’t help but <em>weigh</em> on my thinking. Not satisfied that Poe’s numbers represented an apples to apples comparison, I decided I to look up recent combine scores of DTs, sorted by weight. Poe, at 346,is the 5<sup>th</sup> heaviest DT to weigh in, being bested on the scales only by the likes of Ahmad Childress, Terrence Cody and Alameda Ta’amu. Scanning the names of other heavyweight contenders, you’ll also find names like Paul Soliai, Kenrick Ellis, Junior Siavii (oops), Haloti Ngata, BJ Raji, Jerrell Powe, and Phil Taylor. Ah, apples to apples.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Now, within this group, I found that Poe scored impressively well compared to the other apples. For example, Poe’s 3 cone time matched that of BJ Raji’s and exceeded, by .07 seconds, that of Haloti Ngata’s. I took this is a step further and averaged the 3 cone scores of all DTs weighing 330 lbs or more. The result? 8.00 secs. Using my own apples to apples, perhaps simplistic, comparison dataset, I unabashedly conclude that Dontari Poe also scored an EPA in the 3 cone drill for the Nose Tackle position.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">That’s now makes 4 EPAs for Poe, for those keeping track.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">DD’s Broad Jump Peer Average for 330+ NTs: 100”. Chalk up another EPA for Poe. That’s 5.  </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">DD’s Vertical Jump Peer Average for 330+ NTs: 25.76”. And there you go, another EPA for Poe, thus giving him a perfect score of 6 among his NT peers, at least by my reckoning.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Given Landers observation that all 5 DTs who attained a perfect score of 6 EPAs in his analysis ended up as 1<sup>st</sup> teamers, I can’t help but feel a bit more optimistic about Poe’s future manning the interior of the Chiefs DL? Eventually anyway.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Seeing as how this post has gotten a bit lengthy, I’ll leave discussion of our remaining 2012 draft picks for future installment(s). Stay tuned, I promise you a surprise or two.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">That’s my Double Take.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">What do you think Addicts? Ready to be a Poe Boy now? </span></p>
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