Jan 4, 2014; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith (11) during the 2013 AFC wild card playoff football game against the Indianapolis Colts at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Andrew Weber-USA TODAY Sports

A Quick Comparison Of Trent Green And Alex Smith


Much of this offseason has been a discussion about Alex Smith and whether or not he is worth keeping around. This conversation is bound to continue through the preseason and beyond whenever Smith either signs a contract or leaves the Chiefs. It should be noted, however, the Chiefs have been in this situation before with their quarterback situation, and the best answer may be to pay Smith now.

The situation the Chiefs have now with Smith is pretty similar to the one with Trent Green in 2002 only the Smith situation would seem to be a much better gamble.

Before the 2001 season the Chiefs sent their 12th overall pick in the draft to St. Louis Rams for Green. Green had just completed year-two of a four-year deal, was not too far removed from ACL surgery, was about to turn 31, and had only one year of experience as the full-time starting quarterback. And the first season with Green under center was a bit of a nightmare.

Green 2001: 56.6% completions, 3.3% touchdowns, 4.6% interceptions, 71.1 quarterback rating

To recap, through three seasons of a four-year contract Green had torn an ACL, lost his starting gig to an Arena Football League quarterback (Kurt Warner), been traded for a first round pick, and had a pedestrian career numbers as a starter. The Chiefs had a choice, they could either believe in what they had (and they clearly did given what they gave up for him) and sign him to an extension or they could let the final season of his deal play out.

Carl Peterson chose the latter and ended up paying for it financially. Green increased his quarterback rating to 92.6 and improved his completion, interception, and touchdown rates. The result was an offseason where the Chiefs gave Green a seven-year, $50 million deal, an increase from his previous four-year, $17.5 million contract.

Alex Smith is clearly a better quarterback than Trent Green was at this stage of his career and has a much better pedigree as a former number one overall pick. Smith is going to demand a big contract no matter when it is he receives it. This is to say waiting a year is unlikely to save the Chiefs money given that Smith will still hold all of the leverage even if he has a down season in 2014.

John Dorsey and Andy Reid clearly believe in Smith as a quarterback. They gave up two second round picks for him and have had nothing but overwhelmingly positive things to say about him as a quarterback. If you have a quarterback you believe in and that you’ve invested so many resources into then waiting a year to get a deal done with Smith is the wrong move to make if you are the Chiefs.

Or at the very least, waiting is the most expensive move.

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  • Jim Wynne

    Pay Alex. I’d hate to not have him around

    • Suzi Conger

      Jim, check out the youtube.com link I posted above…think you’ll enjoy it :-)

  • Alex Rodman

    Let Alex leave and in a couple years have Murray start.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      Who starts next year?

      • Alex Rodman

        Daniels.

        • Jacob

          lol

        • Stacy D. Smith

          Are you kidding?

          • Alex Rodman

            No I am not kidding.

        • Mike Ross

          You must have a very low football IQ.

          • Alex Rodman

            I don’t really pay attention to football but I know that Daniels has good vision of the field and he can run and throw and make plays.

          • Suzi Conger

            Well said Alex; “I don’t really pay attention to football”

          • Alex Rodman

            Thanks

          • [email protected]

            Are you Daniels brother or something? He’s terrible.

          • Alex Rodman

            He has better field vision than smith and he is one of the best qbs to go to mizzou and can run and throw deep, two things Smith can’t do.

          • John Moore

            Yeah, Smith can’t run, Ray Charles.

    • Suzi Conger

      murray had the luxury of the biggest and #1 OLine in college, affording time to execute and protection. Geeez, many QB’s will look good with that luxury (like manning and ck7) murray is not a dual-threat QB. Well shucks, conversely, the Chiefs OLine is a Grade D (PFF),,,,rarely do they provide a pocket for deep plays. I’d love to see murray try to execute with this OLine., snort. Already, he has had several passes tipped/intercepted in OTA’s due to his shorter height and lack of mobility. Conversely, Alex is a maga-dual-threat.

      Alex is the Man; he was #1 draft pick for good reason (too bad he was thrown into ‘Trash 6 SF years’ of management and coaching. Check out the youtube.com link provided above…can’t get better than this

    • trinity

      Smart man. It wouldn’t take much to equal what Alex brings to the table, and it would be cheaper to go with one of the backups.

      • Suzi Conger

        lol,,,your lack of FB IQ is rearing it’s head,,,again

        • trinity

          Whatever you say suz. Hahaha.

        • sidibeke

          You could just say you don’t agree. You don’t really need to persist with the ad hominem attacks.

    • KCMikeG

      AS11 isn’t going anywhere as he is under contract this year no matter what.

      • Alex Rodman

        What about next year? Murray or Daniels would be a smart choice when Smith leaves.

        • sidibeke

          Daniels is strictly backup material. Murry or Bray, but I think we keep AS for 2-3 more years, develop Murray and Bray and hope we can trade one of them along the way.

          • Alex Rodman

            Or we can not pay Smoth the big money. Daniels is good enough. Look what he did at Mizzou. He led them to two or three bowls.

          • John Moore

            Duh hyuh.

        • KCMikeG

          I think Smith is going to be in KC for 3-5 years with anew contract with little to no pain to move on from him in the 4th or 5th year if we can develop one of the young guns. IMO Daniels will never be a starter.

          • Alex Rodman

            Smith isn’t getting a new contract.

          • KCMikeG

            So he plays out his contract this year and Murray is the starter in 2015?

          • Alex Rodman

            That is probably not going to happen.

    • John Moore

      You have a different opinion than all 32 GMs.

      • Alex Rodman

        The 32 gms say trade a Smith. I say release Smith.

  • trinity

    They aren’t 100% sold on him as the long term answer. according to ESPN first take, the chiefs were going to draft manziel. Remember that big deal that was made of manziel texting the QB coach for the browns telling them to come get him? They discussed that conversation more in depth about a month ago on first take. Manziel texted the coach and said someone was about to take him, and asked Cleveland to come get him first. reportedly, that “someone” was the Kansas City chiefs, one spot after manziel finally went. Wanting a QB first round doesn’t sound like commitment to Alex Smith.

    • Bdiddy

      Your opinion, based on the theory that the Chiefs were getting ready to move on Manziel is straight out of left field…at best. The only construable proof that they “wanted” a QB in the first would have been if they had actually drafted one in the first…or at the very least, stated that they would have. Since this information didn’t come out of anyone in the front office’s mouth, I would label it as hearsay and dismiss it, not use it as an argument against keeping Smith.

      That having been said…you know as well as anybody here that I support Smith and what he has done here; however, I DON’T support the money he is asking for. I don’t believe it to be commensurate to what he has done for the team to this point, nor what he can do for the team. Of course, I don’t believe the elite QB’s should get what they get, let alone the elite wannabe’s.

      What’s really sad about all this is that the situation Alex finds himself in here at Arrowhead is THE ideal situation for him. If he is willing to roll the dice and go to another team who will pay him another few million a year, but accept the trade-off of sucking for the rest of his career, then that will end up being the true measure of the man, and he will fade away into anonymity.

      As far as my Chiefs are concerned, I would prefer to see them continue to uncover diamonds in the rough and polish them, than pay high dollar for sloppy seconds.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        You began the post by suggesting that the front office’s interest in Manziel was purely speculative. Isn’t the same true of Smith’s asking price?

      • Suzi Conger

        “don’t support the money he is asking for”…. no one knows what number Alex seeks; all figures ‘out there’ quoted by ‘writers’ are speculative gossip. I agree that many athletes are way overpaid…SF and ck7 hopefully have started a new trend,,,,$13M ’14 subject to a franchise review and approval each contract year.

        Wow, “sucking the rest of his career”..BTW; a little known fact; AZ Cards wanted Alex real bad, but harbutt blocked the trade because he didn’t want the threat of facing Alex in his division (at the time Alex was benched, he was #1 QBR in nfl, Offensive Player of the Week, ProBowl nominee, #1 completion%/accuracy, broke SYoungs’/SF franchise record for most consecutive passes with no interceptions, lowest # of interceptions in nfl since ’10, and more… ), .

        NOTE; ’13 season, AZ’s D ranked #1 in nfl for rush yards, and #6 for total yards…WOW, waaay ahead of Chiefs (died) D (and equal to SF, if not better). cpalmer was their weak link With Alex at center, AZ would been in a three-way contention for the SB berth. Harb knew this when he blocked the Alex/SF trade. Alex put up more points the last 8 games than any other QB at 36 pts/game ave. ’13 season (including pay-a-ton) (while our D died big-time, post game 7, BEFORE jhouston’s injury ) Smith accomplished 44 PTS vs colts WITHOUT jcharles! a, ‘perfect QBR’ at 158.6; all in spite of bottom grade OLine and Receivers (Grade D, PFF) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUtc7wiR5w

        ‘high dollar for sloppy seconds’…I certainly hope you are not referring to AS11? Because that would be an ignorant comment, if so. Chase Daniel? Although he’s not sloppy, either

        WoooWeee,,,I’m hoping that Alex goes to AZ if Chiefs and he don’t meet-up.!! Harb’s worst nightmare, lol (’12 and ’13 Alex executed better than ck7 in virtually all QB categories except rushing yards; Smith played one less game in ’13, but both QB’s equal at approx. 5.7 yds/carry; Alex is a big dual-threat, he was merely suppressed at SF)

        • Calchiefsfan

          Nice post Suzi!

          • Suzi Conger

            thank you

          • micah stephenson

            She always on his nuts

        • Jim Harper

          Give em hell Suze!

        • Ben Nielsen

          Strong take, Suzi.

      • trinity

        I know it may be out of left field to most of you. but I’m as passionate as they come about football, and I’m always immersed in something sports related in my free time, so I heard that with my own two ears on the first take podcast. If you ask, I’ll hunt it down for you and post the link where you can hear it. You’re welcome to not believe it. But I do, especially considering the context it was said in. It wasn’t a topic about Alex Smith, but the difference between the browns and chiefs in terms of how manziel would be treated.

        As for everything else, I agree with you actually. The chiefs would be nuts to pay him that money, but this is the ideal fit for him. If he goes almost anywhere else, there will be no success, because he will be asked to do too much. The chiefs are perfect for Alex. He isn’t called upon to be the hero.

        • Calchiefsfan

          It’s not that I don’t believe you heard it Trin, I just don’t believe it’s true. I know the Chiefs don’t have the best reputation but for Manziel to desperately want to play for the Browns instead of the Chiefs? Maybe it’s just me but I find it laughable. I mean we are talking the Browns here. At least the Chiefs have been to the playoffs several times in the last 5 years, better coaching, ownership and an 11-5 record last year. Just sayin.
          I wish Alex was listening to you instead of his agent, lol. It is a perfect fit for him.

          • trinity

            Don’t get me wrong. I think manziel is a clown, and only the 4th best quarterback in this past draft (Bridgewater, bortles, Carr, THEN manziel). And I’m not saying they should have taken him, but only reporting what was reported. Manziel isn’t the best decision maker, so it doesn’t surprise me at all that he would do some dumb shit like tell the BROWNS to come get him lol. It’s laughable, but it’s manziel.

            As for Alex listening, i think he will :). He did last time he was a free agent lol. With the 49ers. He was pissed with what they offered him. The deal he’s on now. He balked at that, and decided to hit the market. The Seahawks were interested then, but they decided to go with Matt Flynn instead. The only team to make an offer was the Miami dolphins. This was after they let him leave the facility (something you know is a no no for free agents you really want). They offered him the same deal as the 49ers. He had the chance to tell the 49ers to fuck off after all he had been through because of them, and go make the same money in south beach. but he didn’t. He swallowed his pride, went back, and accepted that offer that he initially didn’t want. That’s because he knew that there was better chance for success in San Francisco. They were the better team. The dolphins aren’t anywhere near thier level lol. That proves that Alex understands about what teams fit his skill set best. I have no doubt at all that he knows he needs the chiefs as much as they need him.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Well I hope you’re right about Smith taking a realistic deal. I think a lot of people underestimate his abilities, incuding most of the TV “experts”. I’m hoping the O line can come together, (my biggest concern), then we can see the real Alex Smith, a top ten QB :)

          • Suzi Conger

            I’m going to agree with KurtWarner and ’14 ProBowl Committee, Alex is a Top 5 QB. Keep in mind that NFL’s stats don’t take into account ‘catchable dropped passes’, and our Chiefs receiver were ranked #1 – #4 for the MOST catchable DROPS in the NFL. One of my buddies subscribes to PFF , calculated each game, and in reality, Alex would have achieved his 68%-69% norm completion%/accuracy rate and more passing yardage IF he’d had receivers that could catch the ball.
            I totally agree with you about our OLine…looking pretty ‘scary’…seems a down-grade from last season’s Grade D (PFF) OLine…hope I’m wrong, time will tell.

          • Suzi Conger

            WOW.. you have a several GLARING fallacy statements regarding Alex; totally incorrect; so totally out in the universe and false (as usual :-) . Man O Man trinie, you’ve taken the First Place Award, the Big Blue Ribbon for chuggin’ the most quantity and highest proof ‘Bash Alex Smith Kool-Aid” , lol . trinie, intoxication distorts your vision and impairs the brain’s reasoning power. ‘And the farmer took another load (bs) away” an old saying :-) Do you write for “The Star” ? The information you just spewed would qualify for that publication…whew

          • trinity

            …..Exactly what’s wrong with what I said? That’s exactly what happened the last time he was a free agent. You always post these long winded, awkward
            attempts at what? Lol hurting my feelings? But rarely do you offer anything of substance to support your stance. Whatever that may be. But that’s ok though. It’s not like I would take your stance seriously anyway even if you explained it. The point is that Alex knows
            The type of team he needs to fit his skill set.

          • Suzi Conger

            “exactly what’s wrong with what i said?”…As I said, fallacy (false) comments. Supply the links/articles that support your misinformation.

            As far as ‘long-winded’ goes, look in the mirror. The point is, you are amusing and hilarious… “Alex knows”…wow, lol like you really know what Alex thinks.. what a silly joker (you are)

            If I don’t offer anything of substance, why do you read it? And I’m still looking at your post whereas you claim that you will not reply/communicate with my posts…not a man of your word, are you? (rhetorical question)

          • trinity

            You mean just like you declared me a waste of time and said you were done with me, and yet you can’t help yourself from replying to damn near everything I say, even when I’m not talking to you? Lol ok Suzie. It’s funny talking to you, the way all idiots are funny. I know about alex’s last time as a free agent, because I actually paid attention to what happened. You know, the way you pretend to? Based on how he crawled back to San Francisco, one can easily conclude that he knows what is best for him. That’s called having a brain, and an ability to use it honey. You follow? Something tells me you do not. So how about you for once cut the bullshit, stop embarrassing yourself, and define your stance. I challenge you. My stance is this: Alex Smith is an average quarterback. A guy who doesn’t contribute the way a franchise quarterback should, so therefore he is not one. Period. That is what I think, with no bullshit. Right here, right now, I challenge you to tell me exactly why I am wrong. I’m waiting.

          • jimfromkcj

            Cal, would you want to be a QB behind this off line or behind a line composed of Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Schwartz with only one rookie. I would also say that Gordon was one of the highest rated receivers in the league in only his second year. Cleveland has some great talent on that team and if they have a little luck and the owner stays out of jail they will be very good and may dominate that division in a year or two.

          • Calchiefsfan

            I can honestly say as a player at any position, even QB, I would rather play for KC than Cleveland, lol. That is right now, this year. If Cleveland gets their act together and has a couple of winning seasons then that perspective changes. That’s a big if. Isn’t Gordon suspended for the season? That’s what I mean by the Brown’s mojo. Just when you think things might be going their way, boom, their top receiver gets suspended.

          • jimfromkcj

            I don’t think they have given any decision on Gordon yet. According to PFF
            Cleveland’s off line was listed in the top ten and the Chiefs around 18 or so. Cleveland’s defence is very good too. Haden at a corner and he is rated pretty high with good size and they drafted the top rated CB in the draft and got Desire in a later round and I was pretty high on him before the draft and was hoping the Chiefs would land him. Manziel has a much better chance of starting for the Browns then he would have for the Chiefs. Smith is a whole lot like him in talent without the gun slinger attitude, but after giving 2 2nd rd picks for him, it will take a miracle for a rookie to come in and take his job.

        • Suzi Conger

          lame and ignorant (FB uneducated) (as usual) comments about Smith…happy trolling

          • trinity

            Ok suzi, sure.

        • John Moore

          Passionate, yet very, very low football IQ. You can apparently see into the future, that Smith would have no success with any of the 8-10 teams that would pursue him. And you seem to be saying that the Chiefs would NOT be nuts to let him leave? Dude.

          • trinity

            This would naturally be the part where I tell you that I’m very knowledgeable about football. But honestly, the conclusions one can draw from Alex Smith are so obvious that it isn’t even worth it. He is an average quarterback. Not awful, just average. He’s a nice game manager. He is not a franchise quarterback, but he’s a nice guy to have until you can find one. If the chiefs trip out and pay him to be the actual franchise quarterback, kiss your superbowl chances goodbye. Watch :).

      • Suzi Conger

        I do totally agree with you Bdiddy regarding trinies’ gossip and hearsay; very well said, thank you.

    • Suzi Conger

      pure gossip

      • trinity

        Maybe, maybe not. Like I told the other guy, i believed it because of the context in which it was stated. It wasn’t a “trash Alex Smith” type thing. in fact, Alex wasn’t even mentioned by name. They only said the chiefs would be more stable for manziel because Alex would be the starter at least for another year if they had gotten him, giving him a chance to learn more. They were discussing the browns organization and how they are treating manziel. that’s when it was discussed that the chiefs were about to take him, and Andy Reid would handle him much better than the browns.

        • KCMikeG

          So why would Manziel want the Browns to pick him before us? Because he thinks he can beat out Hoyer but not AS11?

          • trinity

            If I had to guess, it would be because he would play sooner in Cleveland. If he came to KC, I think Reid would make him sit for at least a season to let him learn more. Whereas he’s already embroiled in a competition for the starting job in Cleveland. But that is only a guess, they did not get into manziel’s reasons for preferring Cleveland in the podcast. Only that he did.

          • sidibeke

            Ego. He’d rather be a savior than just one piece.

          • trinity

            I could see him thinking that way. If he does, i think he’s in for an unpleasant dose of reality.

    • micah stephenson

      You do know that the Chiefs don’t believe in drafting QBs in the 1st rd. They have not done it in 30 yrs.

      • trinity

        But on the bright side, they tried this year. The browns just played spoiler, so they went with Ford and settled for Murray in a later round. maybe Reid will switch up the approach. I know you’ll be happy if he does :). It just depends on what they give Alex. lol is it just me, or is this shit taking forever? I can’t wait to see what Alex and Andy Dalton get, but the chiefs and Bengals don’t seem to be in a hurry.

      • sidibeke

        Out of curiosity, who are the 1st round QBs KC should have taken? Luck, sure. But RGIII? Kaepernick was a 2nd rounder. Russell Wilson in the 3rd. Geno? He was abysmal last year. Who are those sure thing 1st round QB prospects?

        • micah stephenson

          You want me to go back 30 yrs worth of QBs? They point is they just don’t draft QBs 1st rd.

          • sidibeke

            I’m all about getting a top flight QB; my point is drafting one in the 1st round is by no means a guarantee of a top flight QB. And no, you don’t need to go back the 30 years of KC QBs. I am painfully aware. :)

        • micah stephenson

          P. Manning was also abysmal his 1st yr like most rookie QBs are. No prospects are sure things. The chiefs are too scared to try, becus they too scared to fail. But we ain’t won a playoff game in 20 years so we failing anyway. We deserve our own top flight qb instead of others hand me downs like Cassel and Ass11.

    • KCMikeG

      And Manziel would rather be in Cleveland than KC? Seriously doubt that. IF they had drafted Manziel it would be about BPA not replacing AS11 this year for sure. Every commentary I have heard on Manziel has been he should sit for a year or two or three. Unless Hoyer surprises JM will be thrown to the wolves which has sunk the careers of a number of highly toted prospects before him.

      • trinity

        Yes, he would rather be in Cleveland than KC. Which is stupid to me, but that’s what was reported on the podcast. It’s manziel. Hell, he could have been a little tipsy when he sent the texts. Wouldn’t surprise me at all. I agree, Cleveland has been a disaster. And will likely continue to be. Oh well though. It’s where manziel wanted to be, so that’s his ass.

        • Jason Williams

          He wanted to be in Cleveland because he believed that was his best chance at starting this season. If he went to KC, there’s no question he’d be riding the pine for a year. ( which he will probably do now anyway ). I’m calling it right now: if they don’t sign Axl before camp, say hello to Mariota next year.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Pay the man. End of discussion.

    • berttheclock

      Terse, completely on point and very correct.

    • Reggie Flenory

      Right why the hell we even have this discussion

  • berttheclock

    Keep the reins in the very able hands of Alex Smith.

  • jimfromkcj

    Its really funny how you guys seem to think that the Broncos are screwing the pooch by paying all the money to Peyton and predicting that the broncos will fall apart after Peyton is no longer there. Yet you all seem to think it will work if you pay Alex franchise money and have to get some lesser talented players who will play for less money than the players we now have. I seem to see a similar situation if we are stupid enough to overpay Alex. I think my highest salary for him would be 14 mill.

    • Suzi Conger

      My question is, how do the ponies pay pay-a-ton his mega-bucks, and fit in expensive elite receivers? Do they exceed the cap?

      • berttheclock

        The cap is part of a four year equation and not just one year. Creative bookkeeping.

      • jimfromkcj

        The answer to your question can be found on over the cap. Check the positional money both off and def. and it is pretty plain that they are putting their money in different areas. The Chiefs spend the preponderance of their money on the defensive side, while the Broncos spend theirs on the offence. A good example is the off line where the Broncos spend 28 mill while the Chiefs spend 12 and a half mill. WR is about even, but I submit that the Bronco receivers are much better than the Chiefs. Some would like to believe it is Peyton who makes the receivers better, but Tebow took them to a division title with these receivers and nobody will say he made the receivers better. All in all I think the Broncos are a better run and better coached team than we are at this time. Say what you will about Elway, but he has done a heckauva job of getting great talent under a cap restriction that is killing the Chiefs.

  • berttheclock

    It matters not one tiny iota to me what Alex Smith will be paid by the Chiefs. As long as John Dorsey, Tom Condon and Alex Smith are happy, that is all that matters.

    • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

      It will matter if Dorsey overpays for someone and the Chiefs are tight against the cap and can’t sign a good player or have to release a good player.

      • berttheclock

        I do not have that fear. The poster immediately below me, jimfromkcj, had moaned and groaned about the amount paid to Bowe without taking into consideration Dorsey had very little choice at the time. He needed to retain Bowe as the Chiefs did not have a legitimate wide out and he had to slip him in between the huge salaries paid to Vincent Jackson and Wallace. Of course, jim’s big gripe has to do with Clark Hunt not hiring Al Saunders as the new HC with Marty as GM. Now, there would be a Green/Smith comparison. Green working under Al Saunders, who would never allow Green to call an audible and Smith under Reid, who better fits him. I believe whatever is given to Smith will be commensurate with salaries paid to other QBs at his level. With the cap expanding next season, I really do not foresee any cuts of players due to the cap.

  • micah stephenson

    Here yall go with the bullshit again! Green compared to Smith! Not even close. One yr Green had our offense ranked number 2 overall. ASS will never run a offense ranked in the top ten.

    • berttheclock

      No, micah, here we go with your particular smelly brand of “bull shit” again. Shove that term “ASS” where no sun shine will ever reach. You really are turning into such.

      • micah stephenson

        I keep telling you ASS11 stands for Awsome Super Smith 11. ;-) lol

    • Calchiefsfan

      Actually the Chiefs under Green were ranked #2 in 2003 and #1 in 04 and 05. Green’s QB rating was 95.2, 92.6 and 92.6 respectively. That was behind the best O line in the NFL as well. We’ll see what Smith can do this year but wouldn’t be surprised to see the Chiefs in the top 10 now that Smith and his receivers have worked together for a year. Just need the O line to hold.

      • Suzi Conger

        you just said the key ingredient,, CCF, ‘behind the best OLine in the NFL’.. and what were Green’s receivers rated? I’ll bet they were way above Alex’s receivers, bottom of NFL for catchable drops, route-running, separation… “It all starts with the OLine. If they don’t execute and protect the QB (Alex), the TD’s won’t happen” said by LenDawson Chiefs Pro-Bowl Alex accomplished amazing franchise, nfl, and personal records considering his poor quality OLine and receivers

        • micah stephenson

          Suzi….stop. you only get a 4 count to pass the ball. Even if our oline gives ASS11 a 5 or 6 count it won’t change who or what he is or how he plays. It won’t make him that much better.

          • trinity

            You’re wasting your breath with that person Micah. It’s everyone’s fault but AS11 lol. You’re right, he could be given all the time in the world. Would it change who he is? No way.

      • sidibeke

        The O line AND Al Saunders. Green was good, but he wasn’t elite by any stretch. His play before and after the Chiefs testifies to that.

      • berttheclock

        You are responding to a fellow who has stated on more than one occasion that offensive linemen in the NFL are boring.

        • micah stephenson

          I’ve said drafting them late 1st rd is boring. For once can we get the best QB, WR, pass rusher, CB, something like that instead of the best RG.

    • John Moore

      Idiot. Green was behind the best OL in the history of the NFL.

      • micah stephenson

        Well mayby that what we need for ASs11 to suceed. Lol

  • PhataLerror

    I don’t understand why some users insist on considering Smith’s first six years with the 49ers as his baseline, while disregarding everything good he accomplished during the following three years as an exception. At what point will Smith’s detractors be willing to acknowledge that their indefensible stereotype hasn’t been valid in years? Both sides of this issue already know that should the day come that Alex Smith’s team wins a Super Bowl, the excuse has already been written by the Smith effigy-burning crowd: ‘Alex Smith didn’t win the big game, his team did. Alex Smith didn’t win it because Alex Smith cannot win it.’ The circular logic is inexcusable.

    The real danger in not signing Smith now is not the potential for a bigger cap number. Rather, it’s the danger of having him hit free agency in a year when many quarterback contracts will terminate or require restructuring. Smith was unfortunate enough to be a free agent in the same year as Peyton Manning, but all of the Sure Things at quarterback are locked up by their respective teams. Therefore, with Alex Smith being the best thing on the market in a year where teams may not be happy with what they have in E.J. Manuel, Geno Smith, Andy Dalton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jake Locker, Josh McCown, or Sam Bradford, Alex Smith would be able to pick a team with the parts he believes he needs to succeed (perhaps the Rams or the Titans).

    The Chiefs are asking Smith to take snaps from behind an unproven line, and Smith is going to want hazard pay for that. More importantly, he knows that if he gets locked into a contract where he can be cut or traded at the end of year two, he’ll likely never start for a contender again. He doesn’t want to get used as a bridge quarterback as he was by the 49ers, only to be replaced just as the team is reaching the apex of its rebuilding. He wants to do what he thought he was going to do when he signed on with the 49ers for three years: Quarterback for a Super Bowl-contending team. Getting traded to the prior year’s 32nd-ranked team was a bit of a step back in that regard, although between Dorsey, Reid, and the Chiefs’ roster, all that was really needed was another three years. Unfortunately, with one year down, Smith has only one year left on his contract. He wants the Chiefs to want him for 2017, which would mean wanting him during their apex years. If you’ve watched Smith through his career, you know this has nothing to do with money directly.

    • Suzi Conger

      Extremely well said Phatal. I enjoyed your intelligent post. However, there are two ‘bloggers’ (in particular) here that display zero common sense, below-average intelligence, FB IQ (lack comprehension of rudiments of the game), and are hopelessly addicted to ‘bash Alex Smith kool-aid”, lol. But I sure enjoy your FB intelligence.

      ‘hazard pay’,,, I like that :-) I’ve been calling it ‘combat pay’ bonus…Chiefs let go all their +positive graded (PFF) Olinemen…gulp, this year looks ‘scary’ for Alex…time will tell

      LKF; AZ wanted Alex real bad (was all over AZ’s front news pages) but harb blocked the trade; he did not want the threat of Alex in SF’s division with good reason; AZ’s ’13 Defense was #1 in nfl for allowing the least rushing yards, and #6 for allowing fewest total yards…wow! Way better than our “died” D (before houston’s injury; post game 7) Last year would have been a three way contention for the SB berth with Alex at center in AZ. I’d still love to see Alex with AZ (if Chiefs don’t want to do right for him). Alex is a considerably superior QB than CPalmer. I remember, at the time being so ‘pissed’ at harb for blocking (again) Alex’s chance for a Ring :-)

      Keep up your great posts, please.

    • micah stephenson

      Dude, super bowl, with Ass11, not happening. Not winning 2 or 3 playoff games with him at the helm.

  • Jason Williams

    OMG PLEEEZE HURRY UP AND SIGN HIM I DON’T EVAR WANT TO DRAFT A FIRST ROUND QUATERBACK/Chiefs fan.

    • micah stephenson

      O don’t worry, they won’t draft a QB first rd. They never do. They have some unwritten law about it. They have not drafted a 1st rd QB in 30 yrs.

      • Jason Williams

        The Hunt Doctrine.

  • [email protected]

    Did this fool just say Alex Smith is better than Trent Green? Come on man.

    • micah stephenson

      They always saying silly stuff that on here. They often dig deep to find creative ways to compare him to some of the best QBs.

  • Pessimisticchiefsfan

    If Dorsey is holding out on the contract to make sure he doesn’t over pay for Smith he is doing the right thing. As much as everyone wants to believe smith is the franchise qb that will bring us a Super Bowl, he is not. He at best is the guy to give us decent results until we find our franchise qb.

    I was just as excited as everyone with the season we had last year. But was our success because of Smith or was it because we finally had a competent coach who had the fortune of getting an easy schedule?

    Giving smith a huge salary right now plays in to his hands. Does anyone on here honestly believe smith can duplicate his results with us playing Denver and San Diego twice, the patriots, San Fran and Seattle?

    I am hopefull we can put together a decent season but most likely the cheifs are at best looking at a .500 season and missing the playoffs. I am assuming most of you will change your tune on how much we should pay smith after next season.

    • trinity

      I cannot stress enough how beautifully stated that was. You are 100% correct. I’ve been saying all along that he’s not a franchise quarterback, but only a guy to have under center until you find that guy. Nobody is going to listen to you about that on here. It’s ok though :). Like you said, just wait until next season really kicks off. Tunes will be changing in a hurry in here.

    • micah stephenson

      Omg, I don’t know if you been reading my comments, but I been saying the same thing. Also why do they get so mad on here when you say ASS11 is avg, ranked about 16ish? They go jumping on me like he is waaaay better than that and I’m out of my mind. Well its only me, you and trinity willing to admit the truth.