Nov 17, 2013; Denver, CO, USA; Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith (11) leaves the field following the loss to the Denver Broncos at Sports Authority Field at Mile High. The Broncos defeated the Chiefs 27-17. Mandatory Credit: Ron Chenoy-USA TODAY Sports

Report: Alex Smith Asking For $126 Million


Alex Smith wants to get paid like a franchise quarterback, according to multiple reports. Let’s get on with the tweets:

From Ian Rapoport:

From Jason Cole:

If you need some context for how much Smith is asking for, Aaron Rodgers‘ contract has a total value of $110 million. Yes, more of that is guaranteed than what Smith would likely get, but Smith does not deserve a contract with more total value than Rodgers. (And neither does Jay Cutler or Joe Flacco for that matter.)

Of course this does not mean Smith is going to end up with a $126 million contract. What it does mean is the gap between what seems reasonable for Smith and what Smith is asking for is incredibly large. Large enough that the Chiefs may not be able to get a deal done with him any time soon.

Via Chris Wesseling:

While there is now sentiment that Smith holds all of the cards with no legitimate competition for his starting job, that the Chiefs have leverage of their own in the form of the 2015 franchise tag.

What now? Do the Chiefs ride with Smith for one more season and then hand the reins to Aaron Murray or Tyler Bray? Overpay to keep Smith in town?

 

 

 

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  • trinity

    Ahhhahahahahahahahahaha!!! Alex Smith should be drug tested if he thinks he deserves that kind of money! This shit just made me laugh out loud at work. This absolutely has to be a joke. It has to. There is no way this isn’t a joke.

    • Deadmeat

      Its his agent, not Alex Smith negotiating.

      • micah stephenson

        His Agent should b fired! And banned from from the bizness.

      • trinity

        But Smith is involved, because he tried to do the same thing to San Francisco. Not 126 million, but he tried to get more than they felt he was worth. That’s why he chose to hit free agency back then. But nobody wanted him, so he was forced to come back and sign that contract. The current one he’s on. So I already know he’s always wanted more money from the beginning. Lets just hope the chiefs agree with you that that is way too fucking much for him.

    • micah stephenson

      Its not a joke and its not funny. I never liked or wanted this guy. Wasted a 1st and 2nd rd pick on this guy, oops my bad the “33rd” pick and a 2nd this yr, and he just ain’t worth it.

      • trinity

        I’m more laughing at the fact that him and his agent has the fucking nerve honestly to even ask for this. I feel your pain though Micah. How? I’m just baffled at how they could ask for this with a straight face?

      • trinity

        It’s a fucked up situation. They really need to let Alex play out this season and get Murray ready. Worst case scenario, Murray will be another Alex Smith next season. But at least he would be way cheaper while they find a franchise quarterback. What do you think?

        • Mayme Gomez

          You are gay is what I think. Lol

    • micah stephenson

      Unfortunately its not a joke. All these people on here swearing he the best qb in the nfl, well now he believes that bs and wants to b paid like it. Should have drafted Geno or Teddy B, at least we got Murray.

      • P Heitman

        Still with the Geno talk? Really?

        • trinity

          Just about anything would be better than paying Alex Smith that amount of money

          • P Heitman

            You really think they’re going to pay him that? C’mon man.

          • trinity

            No. I don’t think they are stupid enough to overpay a guy who isn’t even a top 15 quarterback. I’m just galled that he would ask for that if the article is true.

          • P Heitman

            In all seriousness, you don’t really think he’s asking for this amount of money, do you? There’s no way in hell this report is true. There’s no way he asked for this money. It’s all speculation and conjecture. It’s what bored sports reporters do in the offseason. It’s the land of unnamed sources and hearsay.

          • trinity

            I’m taking a wait and see approach. This wouldn’t be the first time Alex has asked for more than an organization felt he was worth. Do you know the story of his last free agency period?

        • micah stephenson

          I know, lol. He he he. Lol. Who are the good QBs coming out next yr?

  • Deaudrey Dre-Mac MacDonald

    I like Alex Smith but that’s crack prices lol

    • trinity

      Alex has lost his damn mind if he thinks he’s worth that lol

      • Deaudrey Dre-Mac MacDonald

        Now if would of came in and won us the Super Bowl then yes pay the man but we haven’t so…NO!!! Not that much. He can get the Matt Cassel deal 5yr 60 mill and then I would be cool with that but $126mill, lol he better start rapping!!! Lol

      • Daniel Mayfield

        That’s just crazy!! $126mil?? And at his age? He’s an awesome player for the team but not worth that much. Not after just showing 1 good bounce back season for KC, and he didn’t carry the team just on his shoulders…JC did a lot of work to help.

        • trinity

          I agree with you completely. There is no way the chiefs can justify giving that type of money to a guy who isn’t even the leader of the team. He’s a piece of a puzzle surrounding JC, and they should pay him like that.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Do I think he deserves a richer contract than Rodgers? Hell no. A little perspective is necessary though. All that matters is how the deal is structured. The likelihood of him playing that kind of deal is out is slim and none.

    • Ben Nielsen

      Tough to structure a $126 million deal that allows one to bail after a year or two.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        I don’t, for one second, believe that he expects to be the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL.

        • Ben Nielsen

          Even if it’s $100m it is a cap nightmare.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            The cap’s going up $10m next season. This is just the reality of what teams will pay for good quarterback play. In two seasons, there will probably be 4-5 more quarterbacks in the $100 million club.

      • trinity

        Exactly Ben. The chiefs would be screwing themselves to give him a deal like that

  • Stacy D. Smith

    I’d love to know what people think he’s worth. The funniest part is, this really isn’t even about Smith. It’s about the ballooning of quarterback salaries league-wide. Carson Palmer’s BASE salary is $9 million in 2014, folks. His overall cap hit is $12m. The ceiling’s just gone up.

    • micah stephenson

      He is worth what he is making now. About 8 mill a yr. To me. Some “think” he is a top tier QB and should b paid like it. Not me. Bring A.Murray!

      • Stacy D. Smith

        That kind of negotiation will guarantee he plays elsewhere in 2014. We’re going to re-sign him, based on two-year old contract numbers? Ignoring vital changes to the NFL’s overall cap and subsequent deals that have taken place since then? This isn’t Madden, Micah.

        • micah stephenson

          Well with our cap situation and future needs, I’d offer him 10 mill a yr take it or leave it. And even that’s being generous.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            So again, he winds up in a different uniform in 2014. Carson Palmer’s scheduled to make $9 million this year. You can’t put that horse back in the barn. Quarterback contracts have gone up considerably. You can put your fingers in your ears and ignore that reality or adjust, have your situation set at quarterback for the foreseeable future, and massage the cap with other players.

            Because wasting a bunch of money on a bunch of aging veterans, while Murray or Bray get adjusted to the NFL, is a much more prudent way to spend cap dollars.

          • Deadmeat

            I think he is worth 11 to 14mil a year for at least 4 years. I just think 126mil for 7 years is out of line. So how much do you think he is worth? I am more worried about the length of time. I think the 7 years has me scared.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Something between $12-$14 mil per year. The years are important. More years allow you to really spread that guarantee out.

          • micah stephenson

            You keep bringing up C.Palmer. at least Palmer is a 4000 yard passer. Ass11 ain’t much better than Palmer.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Well that changes everything. Forget that he threw 22 interceptions last year.

          • micah stephenson

            Don’t care how many ints Palmer threw. Do care about being able to build this team to win it all. A contract like that to a qb like him will mess things up.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            So you’re already arguing that he should be paid like a Top 10 quarterback. Are you playing contrarian just because?

          • micah stephenson

            WHAT!!! I wouldn’t pay him like a top ten Fullback! Lol. I’d rather take a step back with a young qb to take 3 steps foward later, than being stuck in place with Ass11.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            If you pay Alex Smith $10m per year, he’d be a Top 10 quarterback in terms of his salary. I was right earlier. Sigh.

          • trinity

            If the report is true, alex is asking for Cutler money. Cutler makes 18 a year. Alex deserves less than half that in terms of his talent and what he produces. He deserves 7-8 a year.

          • Calchiefsfan

            I’d take Smith over Cutler any day.

          • trinity

            I’m not the biggest Cutler fan, but I would take Cutler. The way I see it, neither one of them has won a damn thing lol. But to me, at least Cutler is very physically talented. I would pick Cutler to win something before alex. That’s just my opinion.

        • Nick_Floyd_Arrowhead Addict

          I agree with Reach, he is worth the money as of right now, but 8 mil a year is a little low, especially given the fact that the last two years he has made great strides as a QB. Is he the franchise QB the Chiefs need right now? Yes and no, for the system that is in place he is a great fit, and so is Murray. So who knows, I think he should get paid because he is the best qb we have had behind the center since Trent Green.

          • micah stephenson

            He worked his way up to 3300 yards an inflated td numbers due to J. CHARLES and he has made great strides? Wow.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Actually he did it with one of the worst wide receiver groups in the league as well as a TE group that was totally depleted by injuries. Can’t have it both ways Micah. Of course he’s gonna use Charles. Who wouldn’t? Oh wait a minute, that would be Todd Haley.

          • trinity

            It’s not a matter of him choosing to use Charles. I think what Micah is getting at is that the game plan seems to be charles-centric, because he is the leader of the offense, and alex smith is just a piece of a puzzle surrounding him.

          • superman_25_58

            It was the same with Cassel behind center and we ended up with the number one pick. Smith is more than just a piece of the puzzle the dude did everything he could last season to put us in a position to win during the regular season and in the playoffs his Defense gave it away. He deserves 12 million a year for 5 years IMO

          • niner559

            I think that is a very good assessment of early last year. With who charles is and the new offense, charles was going to get the bulk of the carries. But, as the season progressed, Alex started to assert himself. You have to use your weapons and the QB is always the one to give the weapon the ball. You may think a dump off pass is easy, but watch Kapernick and see if he knows how to do it. As this offense goes forward, the team will be built around Alex, not charles. You just cant build an offense around a running back and succeed in this NFL.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Well I think we all can agree that Charles is the one elite player on offense so they’d be crazy not to use him as much as possible. Especially while everyone is trying to learn Reid’s complex playbook. This year I think we’re going to see that offense open up quite a bit. I still hope they play the crap out of Charles though.

          • trinity

            Charles is definitely special. My second favorite running back after Adrian. I would take him over shady and marshawn, the other top tier guys.

          • micah stephenson

            Wat I’m tryin to say is if it wasn’t for charles taking a bunch of passes only thrown a few yards laterally to him all the way for tds, he wouldn’t even have that many tds thrown. J.C help blow up those numbers to make it look like Smith passed his ass off when he didn’t.

          • micah stephenson

            Cassel did the same thing in 2010 and youbsee where he is at.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Cassel has had two good years in the NFL, one with the world champion Patriots and one when Charlie Weiss was the OC. Smith has put together a string of 3 straight years of good play and I expect him to perform that much better this year now that everyone is more familiar with this offense.

        • micah stephenson

          On madden I can’t trade Ass11 for an 8th rd draft pick. Lol. Have you noticed in madden on the fantasy drafts, how 1st rd all the good qbs are drafted real fast? That’s cus nobody wants to b stuck with the Alex Smiths of the lg.

        • micah stephenson

          Good. Our team ain’t going nowhere with him at QB anyway. A bunch of 8-9 win seasons as longs as he is QB (unless we get lucky and play 3 or 4 3rd string qbs again like last yr)

          • Stacy D. Smith

            And then you squander a bunch of hefty contracts you can’t so easily get rid of. So you’d rather waste money on a stable of veteran players during a rebuild than pay a quarterback an 8-figure annual salary?

          • micah stephenson

            I want to build the team to win every yr not just get close to looking like we really do n something now just cus of contracts and age. We still have one of the youngest teams.

    • trinity

      I’m still laughing my ass off hahaha. What is wrong with Alex Smith? What is wrong with him? He is simply fucking delusional if he thinks his talent is worth that. Period. I don’t care about quarterback market. I care about the fact that he simply doesn’t deserve that money. Sorry for the profanity, it’s not aimed at you. I just can’t believe he has the fucking nerve. Part of me thinks this is a prank article.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        This is little more than speculation in my mind.

        • trinity

          It can’t be true, or they have to send his ass packing and roll with Murray. Like I told the other guy, it wouldn’t take much talent to replace the production of Alex Smith. Short safe throws half the time, hand it to JC and let him handle it the other half of the time, and play safe to avoid turnovers. If Murray does those very simple things, bam, he’s another Alex Smith at a much cheaper rate while they develop him into more, or find a franchise quarterback. So if Alex won’t come down from that demand, if it’s true, then fuck him. Let him go be “not a franchise quarterback” for some other unlucky desperate team.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Roll with Murray? You realize he’s just six months removed from an ACL injury, right?

          • trinity

            Yes I do realize that. Give him a year to finish healing and to develop and then let him fly.

          • Calchiefsfan

            And never played a down in the NFL. I’d rather roll with Daniels or Bray. I loved the Murray pick, it’s just a little premature to anoint him the next Len Dawson.

          • niner559

            You do realize how many QB’s get drafted every year that never become more than a backup right? Ever here a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush? You don’t know Alex’s worth anymore than I do. We will see what he gets payed and that will be his worth.

          • trinity

            Are we not giving opinions? Everyone is giving their opinion on what he’s worth by judging his production. Because if it’s one thing we all know for a fact, it’s what he produces. And the chiefs organization would be nuts to give him that money, and I don’t think they will give him that money. We’ll see. Personally, I want to see what Murray’s got to offer.

  • Jim Wynne

    I like Alex smith a lot but that seems steep. Was hoping he’d be more of a what’s best for the team guy

  • Deadmeat

    This is his agent trying to milk every cent. 126m is to much.

  • trinity

    Is this a joke article? There is no way that Alex Smith deserves this money. Even Alex Smith fans have to see his talents aren’t worth that. What a bunch of hilarious bullshit lol.

  • Timothy

    It’s his agent leveraging other QB contracts against his clients body of work and worth. It’s not Alex fault.

  • Patrick Allen

    QBs that can win are invaluable. Alex Smith can win.

    Matt Cassel, Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle, Daemon Huard, Kyle Orton…come on, man. Unless Bray or Murray shows they can be undoubtedly better than Smith, the Chiefs have better massage their cap and pony up.

    • Deaudrey Dre-Mac MacDonald

      But Pat $126mill with no superbowl win!?! Lol I wouldn’t pay that!! 3yr 75 mill then let him hit free agency or let him get traded

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Does anybody really believe Smith told the Chiefs he wants to be the highest-paid quarterback in the league? I don’t.

        • Deaudrey Dre-Mac MacDonald

          Absolutely Not but I know his agent Tom Condon did…greedy troll!!!

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Most people are going to have a knee-jerk reaction to something that can hardly be substantiated and in the grand scheme means very little. The total number on his contract is the least important. It’s how that deal is structured that matters. You just don’t walk away from a Top 12 quarterback, with no real replacement options behind him, because you don’t want to pay him.

            I’d love to see an example of that. Just one.

          • Deaudrey Dre-Mac MacDonald

            Im in total agreement with you but wouldn’t you say that 126mill is just a little high?!?!?….just a little???

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Can we stop talking about that number like he said in a press conference aired on ESPN? That’s a number reporters are speculating over. There’s exactly ZERO proof that this is Alex Smith’s magic number.

        • micah stephenson

          I believe he wants top ten QB money, when he should want to b paid around 16 highest paid qb money.

        • trinity

          He wants more than he’s worth. He is the 17th-20th best quarterback in the league. He should be paid that way

    • Stacy D. Smith

      It’s mind-boggling. We finally come upon maybe the 2nd or 3rd-best quarterback in franchise history and fans are willing to let him walk, squander a core of veterans (of 7-8 players), and completely flush two R2 picks down the drain all in one fell swoop. I’m outdone today.

      • Nick the Kick

        Stacy if we give him $126 we will lose Houston, Berry, Hudson, etc. The core of a young up and coming team. $15 million per is a number both sides could live with and is much more in line with his skills. I really want to keep him especially considering the 2 picks, but my Father taught me you don’t throw good money after bad. If we were wrong about our ability to resign him to a reasonable deal then we man up and let him walk next year. Otherwise you end being prideful like Pioli throwing huge money at Tyson Jackson and Asamoah to prove how smart we are.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          Hudson isn’t going to command much money. He’s still getting his bearings as a center. We won’t lose Berry AND Houston. We might lose one of them. We won’t lose both. Don’t forget the salary cap is expected to get a near-$10 million bump over the next year. Even in losing one of them, that’s the nature of the business and a direct result of being loaded with young talent. You don’t allow a Top 12 quarterback to walk to keep a passrusher or a safety. That’s insane.

          • trinity

            First, top 12 is high. Second, Alex Smith is absolutely atrocious without elite talent around him. They have to sign himto a team friendly deal that would allow them to stack even more talent around him.

          • Calchiefsfan

            The only elite talent Smith had around him last year was Charles. He definitely wasn’t atrocious.

          • trinity

            I just replyed to another guy about that. I said that they have to give him a lower des so they can continue to stack more talent around him. As in, even more than JC because Alex needs it.

          • Calchiefsfan

            I saw that and I would be happy to see more talent. I also don’t think he’s worth $126 million. What I was saying is he wasn’t atrocious last year and didn’t have much in the way of elite talent to work with. He did pretty well with what he had.

          • trinity

            You haven’t been the type to fly off the handle much when someone disagrees with you, so regardless of whether we disagree, I respect your opinion. We will see how this plays out.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Ditto Trin, I, for one, cannot wait for this season to start. Even the preseason is going to be interesting and much more telling than in previous years. For one thing we will have the same coaching, that in itself will be a major improvement.

            I personally hate the taste of crow having eaten it much too often. I’m really hoping you and Micah can enjoy that sumptuous feast with regards to Smith :)

          • trinity

            Hahaha oh I know it’s gonna be bananas on this thread when we all see how Alex performs. Us rubbing it in, or you guys rubbing it in. It’s never personal to me unless someone is a jerk to me, so right or wrong, I’m looking forward to it haha :). I’m just ready for it to finally get here. My very early prediction is Denver and San Francisco in the big game.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Not the Hawks! Blasphemy, lol. Green Bay has a shot as well. Manning better stay healthy or we’re looking at the Patriots or dare I say? The Chiefs, why not I’m a homer.

          • trinity

            Yeah I got bold and went with the upset lol. Manning is an old man, but he can still fling, and him and the offensive line does a great job of keeping him upright. With the exception of that ankle situation lol. I can’t blame you on your homer point. My hometown team is the saints. I have the homer in me to haha. I think they are one of the few offenses that can hang with Denver, but they have to fix their road woes. My guys were just ghastly on the road last season.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Well no wonder you think Smith is average, lol. You’ve had the pleasure of watching Brees tear it up. I remember when San Diego let him go, I knew they would regret it. Rivers is good but not in Brees league. I put Brees right up there with Manning, Brady and Rodgers.

          • trinity

            Yeah, he’s spoiled me I guess lol. Brees is brees and Sean Payton is Sean Payton. And rob ryan made a hell of a difference for our defense. But I respect Matt Ryan and cam newton, and the bucs appear ready to rise from the cellar lol. It always seems to be musical chairs in terms of division winners in the NFC south, so I will go in with fingers crossed.

          • niner559

            Atrocious? Charles is elite, but then who? How atrocious was he without Charles in the playoffs? Every QB, with the exception of Tom Brady (what he did with zero talent last year proved a lot) needs talent around them. Alex uses lack of talent around him very well. LOL…atrocious.

          • trinity

            You didn’t read my whole reply. I said they have to sign him lower, so they can have money to stack more talent around him. Because he needs it. I was among the most baffled that the chiefs didn’t take a reciever in the draft, first round. I know that it’s the JC show on offense. They need more to help Alex out, because he needs all the help he can get.

          • niner559

            LOL. I read the whole thing Trinity…the underhanded complement. But with that said, I agree that every QB around contract time, should understand that they are only as good as the talent around them.

          • trinity

            I can’t wait to see what they give this guy.

          • niner559

            From the number of comments, your not the only one…lol. My actual opinion is this, their are a number of over paid QB’s out there, most if not all are over paid. This leaves your team in a very difficult position to build a successful team. One of the reasons SF and Seattle are able to do very well, was because of the amount they don’t have to pay their QB’s. This will change of course. If Alex is smart, he will sign a team friendly contract, with guaranteed money. As much as I don’t like Brady, I respect his contract. We will see.

          • trinity

            I agree with you totally on that front :). Well said. I can’t wait to see how it goes. I don’t see them hitting him with the franchise tag and the season isn’t that far away. We will know soon enough I bet.

          • scomstock55

            Kelce, Thomas, and Jenkins are going to surprise the hell out of a lot of people…but not me….our offense will be markedly better this year…barring injury of course

          • trinity

            Most likely it won’t have much to do with Alex Smith, and that’s why he doesn’t deserve even half that money in my opinion.

          • scomstock55

            awesome illustration….he put up a boatload of points without JC in the playoff game…

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Elite talent? WHO? Charles? Who else is elite? A 3:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio is “atrocious”? It’s getting harder and harder to take you guys seriously.

          • trinity

            Calm down. Finish reading my thought. I said they have to sign him to a team friendly deal so they can have the money
            To stack more around him than just JC. Because he needs it. And we’ve already been over that. Once again, if the 3:1 ratio only equals 23 touchdowns, and that’s the best he’s done in 10 years, that shit is still not impressive to me. Do you get that?? If you think it’s acceptable, then fine. I simply do not. Period.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            You guys simply refuse to put numbers into perspective. Yes…ONLY 23 TD’s in a year where he had a brand new coach and a brand new assortment of skill position players. ONLY 23 TD’s in a year where his No. 1 wide receiver had the worst numbers of his career. ONLY 23 TD’s in a year where his top two tight ends played a total of 9 games. ONLY 23 TD’s in a year where his No. 2 and 3 wide receiver’s production totals were almost identical. Yes. With all of that in mind, 23 touchdowns (with only 7 interceptions) is a laughable single-season performance for a quarterback. Nevermind that 23 touchdowns in any given season over the past DECADE puts you somewhere between 10th and 15th in the league.

            I give up.

          • trinity

            Don’t give up yet. First, go read the link I sent to you. If you don’t want to, allow me to tell you some passages. It’s on NFL around the league. They are reporting that alex is indeed looking for Cutler money. The journalist wrote that the chiefs are “understably balking at paying that kind of money to a successful game manager with obvious limitations. (Not so successful that he’s ever won anything in my opinion), and the part that said “obvious limitations” is highlighted. It leads to a stat that said only 26% of Alex Smith’s passes traveled past the first down marker, the worst percentage in the NFL.

            Then it said that if him and Dalton want to hit the quarterback market, they are going to be disappointed when they see the teams, or lack thereof, that want their asses :). You should check it out.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            No, thanks. It’s been real though. We’re just going to keep spinning our wheels here. You’re wed to your opinion of him and no analysis or perspective will change your mind.

          • trinity

            Hahaha ok Stacy. Take care man.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I failed to respond to the last part of your first paragraph. Did you know that less than one-third of ALL NFL passes travel past the first-down marker?

          • scomstock55

            wtf? atrocious….so you are saying he was atrocious this year? because outside of JC we didnt field any elite offensive players…Bowe included

          • micah stephenson

            He is not a top 12 qb. Mayby ranked in the15-18 range.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Controlling for 300 attempts, he had the league’s 11th-best passer rating.

          • Nick the Kick

            You let him walk if he is demanding 150 percent of his market value. Also, I would argue that Justin Houston is the most important player on our team. He . Is PFF top rated outside linebacker in the NFL, good to great at everything, and super young. Houston is more important to the Chiefs than Smith. I am a Smith backer, think he is fantastic for what he is asked to do. However, he is not ever going to be a perennial playoff QB without a very good D and a top run game. If we pay him what he is asking we can’t field that kind of team.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            What’s his market value?

          • Nick the Kick

            I posted above that his top end is 14 million per which is about double his current contract and would give him about 84 million over 6 years. 126 million over the same time span is more than 150 percent his market value. I know it is not all guaranteed money, but for us to retain our guys his cap number has to lower than 15, not higher than 20 per year.

          • superman_25_58

            What QB is going to be a perennial playoff QB without a very good D and a top run game? Exactly………… not one QB in today’s NFL will win a SB if they don’t have a very good D and a top run game period

          • Nick the Kick

            Real insanity is paying Smith Drew Brees money. There is no reason we can’t keep all of them if they will play for what they are worth. We need that cap raise to keep core guys, not assuage Smith’s ego.

        • Patrick Allen

          Tamba is on his way out. Dee Ford will slide in and be a cheaper replacement hopefully.

          • scomstock55

            hopefully not for a year or two….he still has something in the tank

      • Norman Gunn

        2nd or 3rd best QB in franchise history?? You just lost all journalist credibility with me. Please tell me I am dumb enough to miss the sarcasm..

        • Stacy D. Smith

          Name three quarterbacks better than Alex Smith in franchise history (not named Len Dawson). Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

          • micah stephenson

            Trent green, Gannon, and uh and….uh…um…dam our qbs always suck. Cant understand why they ain’t drafted a qb in the 1st rd in 30 yrs. Glad we got Murray now. Just cus he one of the better qbs this non qb having team has had, don’t mean we should over pay him, or not try to develope somebody better.

          • GDL40

            can’t we also throw in that one guy Joe Montana ? …. I mean yeah, he was there for 2 seasons I think ? ….but Alex has played ONE season, in which we didn’t win shit again, Not to mention we still got to see how this season will go for him (which I think will be worse than last year since we’re facing the NFC West) ….. Montana did win a playoff game for us. Also just because you could argue Alex is the 4th best QB we’ve had, doesn’t mean you overpay him by that much, also to be noted that we have a history of shitty QB’s

          • Calchiefsfan

            And they let Gannon walk. Do we really want to go through that debacle again? Let’s wait until Reid has developed Murray or Bray before we do that.

          • mattU

            Montana, Gannon, and Green were all better than Smith. Being better than Bono, Grbac, Cassel, Huard, and Croyle is nothing to be proud of…

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Let’s put those numbers side by side.

            Montana threw 29 TD’s in 25 starts. Highest rating? 87.4 in 1993.
            Gannon threw 23 TD’s in 19 starts. Highest rating? *92.4 in 1996.
            Smith threw 23 TD’s in 15 starts. Highest rating? 89.1 in 2013.

            * – The 92.4 rating came in a season where Gannon threw only 90 passes. That really shouldn’t even qualify. The highest legitimate passer rating he ever had was 80.1 in 1998.

            Green I’ll concede. Remember I began by saying Smith was the 2nd or 3rd best. The latter of which is a nod to Trent Green. Though with that many seasons in Kansas City, I’d wager that he’d post better numbers. Green had just two years in his Chiefs tenure where he had a 2:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio.

            Would you like to change your answer now?

          • micah stephenson

            Now I see why we ain’t been scoring a lot of pts. We still running an early 90′s offense. Lol. If this was 1994 instead of 2014 we might b in good shape.

          • mattU

            Um…No.
            First off, I don’t think stats alone are what makes a QB great. Give me Montana over Marino or Manning any day of the week. Some guys there’s just something about them where you never feel like you’ll lose a big game as long as they have the ball. Tom Brady and Joe Montana are/were the best examples of that feeling… Alex Smith, well he couldn’t do it in Indy (not that he should have needed to), and while watching that final drive I didn’t think we had a chance because there’s nothing Alex Smith has done to make me believe otherwise. In contrast, Joe Montana led TWO playoff game-winning drives his first year with the Chiefs.

            Now, if you want to bring up stats, I’m looking at the entire body of work over a career and not just a single season in a Chiefs uniform. You can make the case that Smith’s career will mirror Gannon’s and best is yet to come, but that’s speculation: his career numbers currently are not better than Gannon, Green, or Montana.

            Alex Smith (90 GS, 81.0 career rating, 12 Game-Winning Drives (GWDs), 1 Pro Bowl)
            Gannon (132 GS, 84.7 career rating, 20 GWDs, 1 MVP, 4 Pro Bowls)
            Green (113 GS, 86.0 career rating, 19 GWDs, 2 Pro Bowls)
            Montana (164 GS, 92.3 career rating, 127.8 SB rating, 33 GWDs, 2 MVP, 8 Pro Bowls)

          • Stacy D. Smith

            We were talking specifically about those players during their Chiefs tenures. Don’t move the goalposts.

          • mattU

            I’m not moving the goalposts. Alex Smith has played a single year in KC and posted one victory against a team that finished with a winning record…The schedule difficulty mirrors the 2010 season in which Matt Cassel had a good year. I don’t think it’s fair to cherry pick stats from a year like that. Montana had 7 victories against winning teams in 1993. Gannon had 2 in 1998 over 10 games. If Smith leads us to the playoffs again this year then he will have my confidence because that likely means he will have beaten a top 10 team. He’ll move past Gannon if he does that, but barring a run in the playoffs, Montana and Green will have both still accomplished more than he has in KC.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            SoS arguments? That’s not moving the goalposts? Okay.

          • mattU

            It’s a completely relevant argument. You are trying to validate a single year of production and I’m noting that the level of competition he put the numbers up against cannot be used on their own. Matt Cassel posted a 93.0 rating in 2010, but no one is trying to say he’s better than Alex Smith. Don’t get me wrong, I like Alex Smith and realize he’s the best option we have over the next couple years, but let’s see what he does when he’s not playing a last place schedule before saying he’s better than Joe Montana was in a Chiefs uniform.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            What’d Cassel do with the rest of his time in Kansas City?

            Joe Montana was a pedestrian quarterback in Kansas City. 29 TD’s in 25 starts.
            Smith just threw 23 in 10 fewer starts.

            It should also be noted that the bulk of Smith’s numbers came over the back half of the season when he played 5 games against AFC teams that eventually made the playoffs. 102 passer rating over the last 7 games. Add in the playoff game and…well…you get the point.

          • mattU

            Pedestrian? Um yeah that was in 1993…Little less pass-friendly than today’s NFL. Montana had the 6th highest QB rating in the league and 9th most TDs in 1993. In 2013 Smith had 14th highest QB rating (0.3 above Andy Dalton) and tied for 15th in touchdowns: much more pedestrian than Montana with regard to the rest of the league. Also, that 102 rating over the last 7 games is highly skewed by the perfect 158.3 rating he put up against Oakland where half his attempts were screens to Charles and the 122.3 rating in Washington. The other 5 games averaged 66.02: 57.6 Home against Indy, 88.7 Home against Denver, 106.7 Home against San Diego, 77.1 At Denver.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            13 touchdowns were pedestrian in the early-90′s. Find the league leader’s total that year. It doubled it. That accounting you did was also curious. There were 16 quarterbacks with more touchdown passes that year.

            Only 14 quarterbacks had more touchdown passes than Smith in 2013.

          • mattU

            And 23 TDs in 2013 isn’t pedestrian? “Only 14 QBs” is about half the league. I messed up looking at the 1993 team values on PFR…Didn’t realize Krieg had 7 of the 20 so that’s why my accounting was “curious”. However, 13 was still only 2 less than Troy Aikman that year and Montana’s QB rating was 5th best in the league.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            No, actually it isn’t. 23 touchdowns in a single-season would put that quarterback somewhere between 12th-15th in every year going back a full decade.

            Is Troy supposed to be the high-watermark? He only threw 165 touchdowns in his CAREER. To put that into perspective, he played 165 games. That’s 1 a game.

          • mattU

            12th-15th in TD ranking is about what Montana was during his time in KC (13 TD in 1993 over 11 games, 16 TD in 1994 over 14 games). Smith didn’t crack the top 10 in 2013 in any meaningful stat other than interception rate. Montana was top 10 in rating, completion %, yards, and first in INT rate in 1994. In every passing stat Montana was better in 1994 with respect to the rest of the league than Alex Smith was in 2013…

            Teams in the 90s didn’t attempt as many passes inside the 5 yard line. Marcus Allen led the league in rushing TDs in 1993 but wasn’t even top 10 in yards, so somebody else got the ball down in scoring position and he punched it in. Aikman had Emmitt Smith, so just maybe that had something to do with his low career TD numbers. Go back and watch Smith’s TDs this year..about 1/3rd came from the 5 and in.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Smith’s 2013 performance is still rated higher than either of Montana’s seasons with Kansas City.

          • mattU

            So was Andy Dalton’s…guess he’s better than Joe Montana too? I take it you think Nick Foles is the best QB in Eagles history?

            The NFL today is biased to higher stats for QBs than the early 90s or even 10 years ago. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_season and check the rules changes for that year…Then look at the jump in the top QB ratings from ’03 to ’04.

            Here is the list of QBs that had a better rating that Montana did in 1994…All but Everett are first-ballot Hall of Famers:

            Steve Young: 112.8
            Brett Favre: 90.7
            Dan Marino: 89.2
            John Elway: 85.8
            Troy Aikman: 84.9
            Jim Everett: 85.0
            Jim Kelly: 84.7
            Joe Montana: 83.6

            Here’s the list that had better numbers than Smith in 2013. 10 guys (not including McCown) put up numbers better than Dan Marino and Brette Favre did in 1994…By your logic they all “performed” better, and FAR superior to Montana during his time in KC. Statistically? Sure, but 25 QBs put up a rating better than 80.0 in 2013. In 2003: 15. 1993 & 1994? 12. It’s like comparing MLB HR numbers from 2001 to 2013…something’s different.

            Nick Foles: 119.2
            Peyton Manning: 115.1
            *Josh McCown: 109.0
            Philip Rivers: 105.6
            Aaron Rodgers: 105.0
            Drew Brees: 104.8
            Russell Wilson: 101.3
            Tony Romo: 96.8
            Ben Roethlisberger: 92.0
            Colin Kaepernick: 91.6
            Sam Bradford: 90.9
            Matt Ryan: 89.6
            Jay Cutler: 89.2
            Alex Smith: 89.1

          • Stacy D. Smith

            It’s really not that controversial a point. We all know the historical Joe Montana’s a better quarterback than Alex Smith, but that’s not what we’ve been debating. We’re speaking only to his time as a quarterback in Kansas City, in the twilight of his career. Judging those two seasons against the one Alex Smith just turned in? Yes, I’m willing to say that he’s already been the better CHIEFS quarterback.

            The changes to rules and the general offensive direction do explain a rise in overall passing numbers. Thing is, during Montana’s tenure there were an average of 2.6-2.7 touchdowns per game. The average is about 3.2 now. Control for that increase and adjust Montana’s totals by 8 touchdowns. Still wouldn’t change my argument because other numbers (like interception totals) would also have to be adjusted.

      • micah stephenson

        Did you account for the low QB standards and lack of caring how good the QB is in this town, when you figured he is the 3rd best qb we have had. My best car ever cud have been a ragedy 82 elcomino, that don’t mean I can’t ever get a benz or lexus.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          You’re right. Now tell me where we’re going to get an improvement over Smith in the next 12 months? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

          • micah stephenson

            We got him already. A.Murray will b better than Smith.

          • Calchiefsfan

            I sure hope so but not this year more than likely. Maybe that’s the hang up with the negotiations. Dorsey wants to see what Murray can do in the preseason. That could be interesting.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            You know that how? He’s never taken an NFL snap.

      • trinity

        You would rather give him that money than let him walk?

      • Danny W

        126 million though! That’s more than Manning got. We would be so cap screwed it would amount to what Joe Flaccoe has done to the Ravens. Cost them rings because the qb hit a hot streak…

      • scomstock55

        no man…its not going to happen…they are either gonna reach a fair agreement this year very soon….or wait until the end of this season to decide how much, if any, to pay him. I like the idea of waiting…since we can…but that is just me…

    • trinity

      Whoever thinks Alex Smith is worth that money is delusional. No offense, but I find your opinion laughable. You say alex smith wins. What he does is plays not to lose and lets his defense and run game carry him to victory. Which is why they should send his ass packing if that is a firm demand. Because if you put in one of the backups, it’s not like they are replacing someone great. It wouldn’t take much talent to equal the production of Alex Smith. Just give the ball to JC or whoever is safest on that particular play and try not to turn the ball over. If one of the backups can do those very simple things, boom you have another alex smith at a much cheaper rate. So if that’s what he’s demanding, they should tell him to fuck off.

      • micah stephenson

        I feel the same way. When I watch him play, I get this feeling that he don’t do anything any qb can’t do. Instead of paying him all that money, its smarter and cheaper to draft a 21 yr old and develope him. It should only take a QB a yr or so to surpass ASS11′s production. Then you have a younger cheaper QB with a higher ceiling. I really hope Murray ends up being real good.

        • trinity

          I know what you mean. And when you compare numbers, young guys are coming into the league, and they are already producing the same as Alex, an almost 10 year vet, in terms of numbers. Alex tossed 23 touchdowns. Russel Wilson is new and he tossed 26. Kaepernick is new and he was in that same range. It doesn’t take much to be as productive as Alex Smith, so how can they justify paying him so much?

          • Calchiefsfan

            You can also throw Luck and RG3 into the mix but you just picked the best young QBs in the league. I’ll guarantee all those guys are going to make a lot more on their new contracts than what the Chiefs will end up paying Smith. The truth is most of the young QBs coming into the league couldn’t hold Smith’s jockstrap.

          • trinity

            But quite a few have produced what he has right away, and even more than he has. Luck, RG3, kap, cam, wilson, foles and more have come in the league after Alex and literally started off in his ballpark.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Again you’ve chosen the best QB’s trinity. The vast majority aren’t that good coming out or ever will be. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Smith should or will get that kind of money. I question this whole story, but he will get paid $12-14 million per year and he is worth that. He also would be crazy not to take it. If he does the same thing in KC that he did his last two years in SF under Harbaugh his QB rating will be 100+ this year and some GM will overpay for him next year if we don’t sign him now. We will lose the best QB we’ve had in almost 10 years.

          • trinity

            But that’s what I’m saying. You say he’s the best you have had in 10 years. But shouldn’t you want more than what he provides? A QB who can make some plays? Maybe you guys can get that instead of settling for alex.

          • Calchiefsfan

            That’s the thing, it’s a maybe. I’m all for getting someone better, but who? I’d much rather play/pay Smith over the next 3 years and be competitive while we see if Murray or Bray pans out. Smith does have the ability to take the Chiefs to the Super Bowl and win it if the D gets their act together. I am so sick of terrible QB play and being a bunch of losers with a crappy QB. I’m not saying stop looking, I am saying he is our best option now.

      • Mayme Gomez

        No… you fuck off.

    • micah stephenson

      Didn’t Cassel go 27 tds and 7 ints with more passing yards and only one wr to throw to in only his 2nd season? Idk why you feel like a young QB would take long to surpass Ass11′s production.

      • Patrick Allen

        See Cassel’s playoffs performance.

        • micah stephenson

          Yea I picked the Ravens to go to the superbowl that yr at the beginning of the yr so I knew they were in trouble. The whole team minus JC and Tamba was not ready for the Ravens at that time.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        He did. For one season. Did he continue to progress? Okay then.

        • micah stephenson

          Well he went from the offense he knew with Weis to Romeo’s offense. Lmoa! I’m luaghing but that ain’t funny. Lol. Poor lil Romeo has no offensive mindset what so ever. I did notice it only took him a few game with the Viks before he put up a 400 yard passin game.

          • Calchiefsfan

            I actually thought Cassel got shafted in KC, I mean Paul Solari? An offensive line coach? Everyone in the football world knew that wasn’t gonna work except, of course, Romeo and Pioli. He still isn’t as good as Smith though.

    • Larry Devore

      But for that to happen Smith has to sit most of the preseason. If you really want to see what Murray and Bray can do.

  • Ardent Shepherd

    Alex’s wife debunked that pretty quick. She responded to it saying that the rumors were humorous. Alex will be looking for true value in his contract. I don’t think he wants to be switching teams again.

    • Calchiefsfan

      I think Smith knows he has a good thing going here in KC. Do you have a link to where his wife made that comment? Would like to see it.

    • scomstock55

      good stuff to hear…. I really like him and think he can be a top 10 QB in this offense….after this season, if he turns out to be a top 10 guy…then we should pay him.

  • Matt Dickson

    That’s insane. I say we let him play out this year, then let one of the youngsters take over, re-invest in the team with freed up cap space and move forward without him. I like Alex but the idea he’d be asking for that much money when he was a cast-off just 1-year ago is silly.

    This is just a case of the agent trying to hold the Chiefs by the balls knowing they traded two 2nd round picks for him…

    • trinity

      You’re exactly right Matt. Tell him good riddance if he is firm on that price, and move forward with a backup.

    • micah stephenson

      That 33rd pick was like a 1st rd pick to me.

      • Matt Dickson

        That’s why they have the Chiefs over a barrel. Nobody wants to give us two 2nd round picks (let alone one being that high) for just 2-years of QB play.

      • P Heitman

        Jags had 33rd pick. Took Jonathan Cyprien. Justin Hunter, WR went next. You’d rather have those two camp bodies than a capable qb?

        • micah stephenson

          My bad 34th pick. I’d rather had Geno and Keenan Allen. This yr we cud have added M.Lee and a 2nd rd player to our stable.

          • P Heitman

            And who would be playing offensive line and outside linebacker? There’s more to football than big armed quarterbacks and wide receivers.

  • area

    I’ll just be happy when a deal is done/not done, and everyone can just move on…you could not trust the sports writer’s talking heads before or during the draft and you can’t trust the junk being tweeted now. C’mon preseason.

  • Nick the Kick

    I’m an Alex Smith backer, but the only way he sees $126 mil is if he plays here till he is 40. So what if there is no 2nd tier QB market, we make one. I feel 14-15 million per year is the top end of his worth to us. If he is serious let him play this year for the 7.5 he’s on the hook for and if he is as good or better than last year franchise him for one and move on.

    • scomstock55

      we dont need a 2nd tier market…..we have very capable backup QBs…and a possible franchise rookie in Murray….

      • Nick the Kick

        You misunderstand what 2nd tier market means. In the above article he says Smith is asking for top 10 money because no QB is making anything between what the top guys and the scrubs and rookies make I.e. there is no 2nd tier qb contract in the NFL right now. My point is we should start one by paying Smith twice what he makes now, but two thirds what Aaron Rodgers makes. No real Chief fan with any sense could be for giving Alex Smith Peyton, Brees, Rodgers money. If we do we lose core talent and can’t sign quality free agents.

  • Scott Gauld

    ALEX SMITH is damn lucky that he walked into a deal in KC with Andy Reid..Perfect for him we resurrected his career and sure yes he did help us and revived the Chiefs so us fans have something to cheer about. To that Thank you MR SMITH! Now the one thing we need to do is realize that you arent getting paid that much and that you if you chose to leave KC would most likely not have a situation like the one in KC for your own personal as well as team opportunities for a superbowl. You asking for that much money is basically taking money away from other valuable keys to winning a championship. Are you valuable here in KC? Do the fans LOVE you MR Smith.? Hell yes! Now quit being a greedy , rich , spoiled NFL pre madonna and start getting to work and do a contract that is cap friendly as well as making sure you are a top 10 paid qb just like you proved last year that you can be. Personally for me at least if it comes to paying you 126 million which is more than AARON RODGERS then i would be the first person ready to kick your ass out of town for that. Give us some sensible numbers and help propel KC and its fans into the playoffs and get us at least a playoff win this year. Having hope is better than having no hope and were hungry.

    • scomstock55

      we didnt resurrect his career man…he was doing awesome things in SF….once he was able to have the same OC for a couple years he began to show how good he is…he is worth 12-14 mill/year….but only after this season plays out….

      • Scott Gauld

        He had no career in San Francisco.. That’s why he was traded. They decided he would not be their starter so yes he did resurrect his career in KC which is to start over or begin… He never had a big season and struggled through changes in San Francisco. The best thing that could ever have happened to him was coming to KC. Yes he could of gone elsewhere but without a offense like Reid’s he would of sucked.. He after one season is not worthy of a contract better than Aaron Rodgers or others in that price range. There comes a time when being a fucking greedy typical athlete needs to look at themselves and the city and opportunity in front of themselves and be grateful that you have millions for playing a sport for a job.

        • Kevin Smith

          Well said.. He either doesn’t seem to realize or care KC and Andy Reid are the best that could have happened to him and it’s upsetting after having stood up for him all last year. He needs KC more than KC needs to pay him $20M+ a year…

        • trinity

          I agree with you totally. Even in his best season with San Francisco, he only threw 17 touchdowns in 16 games. All his numbers were very minimal, simply because as a game manager, he didn’t do much. It’s always been embarrassing. But the fact that he would ask for elite money has made him look like a clown.

  • micah stephenson

    If the Chiefs give Ass11 a 100 million dollar contract, it will b one of the biggest mistakes ever made in Chiefs history!

    • Tyler Alexander

      Will you go find a new team to bitch about if they do. If so, I’m all in.

      • trinity

        Aren’t you the guy who dared to compare him to brady in the other thread? Go away Tyler. You lost any ability to be taken seriously when you did that.

        • Tyler Alexander

          There seasons last year are more than comparable… and we’re supposed to take you seriously with your stripper name and brainless comments. Put your name on it and stop being such a whiny little bitch.

          • trinity

            I’m not gonna lie to you. Even when you try to be insulting you come across as a weak little pussy hahahaha. You seem so impotent, that I literally laughed at your “tough guy impression”. You’re a pathetic waste of time, and not worth any more replies. So go ahead and send your clever retort and make your own day. I don’t take you seriously enough to bother reading it. Take care.

          • Tyler Alexander

            Why don’t you go to Arrowhead talking this trash and see how long you last. 100,000 Chiefs fans have my back. You have Micah. But, if you ever want to meet up and discuss this in person just name the place… but I bet you will lie to me about that won’t ya.

          • micah stephenson

            I thought Arrowhead only seated about 84,000. I got yo back Trinity. I walk around with a entourage full of ganstas. The ladies in my group will whoop some ass. Lol.

          • Calchiefsfan

            So that’s you! I wondered who was leading that group.

          • trinity

            Lmao! Lol :)

          • Deadmeat

            This pissing contest has to be handled in an adult manner. Beer drinking contest! I’ll be in KC the night before the titans game. Anyone that wants in on it, let’s do it. Nonstop shit talking along with drinking till you puke. I’ll put $50 on my wife beating Micah at both. She thinks bud light is a sissy beer, she likes those 9% beers. So, you up for the challenge Micah?

          • micah stephenson

            I don’t drink. I drink a half of a beer to just have a drink in my hand for the look of it. Lol

          • Deadmeat

            At least come for the shit talking part! Still bet my wife can win at that..lol. Never watched duck dynasty or honey boo boo. We work to much to watch tv.

          • micah stephenson

            No thank you. I go to the game to have fun, not listen to some drunks talk shit.

          • Deadmeat

            lol. Its called having fun. You can only talk shit on a forum, I see. My wife swears I am fighting with a 13 year old on here. Says he has a different chick every night, says he is Gangsta, but doesn’t drink, holds a beer to look cool, homophobic. Sounds like you are extremely insecure person in real life, that’s boring. You should learn how to be honest about yourself, instead trying to deceive people. So, stay home on your couch watching Duck Dynasty and Honey Boo Boo(don’t even know what that is). I’ll live life in the real world, while you can sit and watch TV and insult people online.

          • micah stephenson

            I don’t tal shit. I state my opinion.where I’m from a bunch of drunk people talkin shit will turn into a fight. That’s cool if you white cus u will only get probation, but if your black they want to lock you up and throw away the key. I’m an OG not a BG. I quit drink cus I alcohol poisoned myself. Now I jus smoke a lil wacky tacky. ;-)

          • Deadmeat

            So you can’t shit talk without fighting? If you get into a fistfight over football, you got issues. Please don’t bring in the race card. I am a white guy, that grew up in Detroit, KC is a very forgiving town compared. You only have problems, if you cause them. I lived in KC for 8 years, very tame town compared to other places I lived.

          • micah stephenson

            A beer drinking, puking, wife. Was she on a recent episode of Duck Dynasty or Honey Boo Boo? Lol.

      • micah stephenson

        If they do, bye Houston, Berry, Poe, and any expensive players in the yrs to come.

      • micah stephenson

        If they do I’m not all out, but not spending much on tickets ether. Ill sit upstairs instead of paying for down low seats. I predict a bunch of 8-9 wins seasons till we get a bettervQB with more weapons.

  • P Heitman

    Smith’s wife in response to Ian Rapoport:

    “Although I find this comical.. You are clearly misinformed!! Your “source” is leading you astray”

    • micah stephenson

      Even his Wife know a contract like that is a JOKE! LOL.

      • P Heitman

        hahaha

      • Calchiefsfan

        Good one Micah. How about $98 mil?

        • micah stephenson

          How bout he play the yr out for 7.5 mill, then hit the road? Then give sone of that 7.5 to Houston. Or trade him to the Texans For A.Johnson and a draft pick.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Only if Murray comes on strong, but that’s a big if for a fifth round pick. I am pulling for Murray though. I’m a big fan of his.
            Hard to trade with only a year left on his contract.

  • niner559

    I really doubt this is what he is asking for. This may have been the starting point from his agent for negotiation purposes, but not what they end up paying him. But at the same time, You have to look at the escalating QB contracts. The top 7 QB’s will make between 18-20 million in 2014. Then you have a drop off, but those QB’s are working on old contracts that, when they sign a new deal, will likely put them in or above the 18-20 million mark. So in 2016, you will likely see 10-14 QB’s (Luck, Wilson, Kapernick, Eli, etc) making above 18 million a season and that will start to escalate. Perspective is important when talking about what Alex’s value is. I’m sure the Chiefs want to sign him, and I’m sure Alex wants to play where he is wanted. After what happened in SF, I’m sure Alex cares more about length and guarantee per year, that the overall numbers. Just my 2 cents.

  • niner559

    Here is a nice link showing QB contracts

    http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB

    • micah stephenson

      ASS11′s contract looks like it is already where it should b according to that list.

      • niner559

        It’s really hard to take you serious when you use “ass11″ for alex. Just saying. Well you have your opinion and you may very well be right, who knows. I disagree and I might be right. I think he will be top 10 easily next year. The one thing about the NFC west, Alex knows it better than any QB in this division. He has a winning record against those teams. He will has and will do better than Manning against the NFC West.

        • micah stephenson

          Ass11 simlpy means Alex Smoooth Smith and his jersey number is 11. ;-) lol

  • Blaize Richardson

    I’d like to see a deal for around 5 years for 70 million with 40 million guaranteed. To me that would be more than fair for both sides. I really love Alex, but Andy Reid has a strong history of working well with various QBs and developing guys. Alex Smith isn’t irreplaceable. I really hope a deal gets done, but not at the expense of losing a Justin Houston or a Dontari Poe in the future. Hopefully we work out a deal with Justin Houston soon, so we can franchise Alex if necessary.

  • trinity

    I keep hearing from Alex Smith fans that he’s holding all the cards. But you’re missing one point. And that’s how talented the chiefs are outside of him. Alex Smith is absolutely horrific without elite players surrounding him. So where is he going to go if he decided to walk? Is there a quarterback needy team with more overall talent than the chiefs? NO! Alex needs to be carried in order to be successful. So if he walks, the only place he’s going is to some desperate team, where he will proceed to make a fool of every fan that claimed he was a top 10-12 quarterback. So he is not holding all the cards.

    • micah stephenson

      That’s what I’m saying! Can you imagine this dude playing in Jacksonville or Tampa Bay? Lol. He would b out the lg in 3 yrs tops.

      • Calchiefsfan

        Alex Smith leads the Jaguars to the playoffs in one of the biggest turn arounds in NFL history! Oh wait, that was the 2-14 Chiefs, the joke of 2012.

        • trinity

          If by “Alex Smith leads”, you mean, “Alex Smith was carried to some victories while only contributing a measly 23 touchdowns himself”, then you are spot on my man. But let him get falsely full of himself and walk away from a team that is talented enough to carry his ass. Let him go somewhere where he is “the guy” and he really does have to lead game in and game out, and put the team on his shoulders game in and game out. Lol it would be a fucking disaster and then he would retire.

          • P Heitman

            Pretty sure he carried the team in our playoff game, dumbass.

          • trinity

            The playoff game that you lost, Dumbass. One could easily argue that even his best isn’t enough without JC. that loss was the best game of his career. Lol you know it’s bad when you’re bragging about how well he played in losses.

          • P Heitman

            Wasn’t arguing wins and losses, I was arguing against you saying this:

            “But let him get falsely full of himself and walk away from a team that is talented enough to carry his ass.”

            Also, pretty sure the Chiefs were 11-5, lost 6 total games against 3 teams last year.

            Again, just an asinine remark. Watch games.

          • trinity

            And they got to that 11-5 mark with thier quarterback only tossing a subpar 23 touchdowns and 220 yards a game. If that’s not bad enough, it took him damn near 10 years to work up to those paltry numbers. You go watch a game, and talk to me when you know what you’re talking about

          • P Heitman

            Russell Wilson had almost identical stats and won the Super Bowl, buddy:

            Wilson: 26 TDs, 9 INTs, 3357 YDs
            SMITh: 23 TDs, 7 INTs, 3313 YDs

            Do I still not know what I’m talking about? You don’t have to have a gunslinger QB to win games, dude. It’s been proven time and time again. It’s flashy, sure. Not necessary.

          • trinity

            You just proved my point and you don’t even know it. You forgot one thing when comparing those 2 guys. Time :). Russell Wilson is new. Alex is a vet of nearly a decade. Shouldn’t he be far beyond Russel Wilson? But just like you said, the numbers are nearly identical :). And those numbers are the best Smith has done in his entire career. Literally, if you wsnt career stats, say the word and I will give them to you. So what that says, is it’s taken Alex Smith 10 years to work up to those numbers. Meanwhile, Russell Wilson is STARTING OFF with those numbers, already has a ring, and is still gaining experience to keep developing past that level :).

          • P Heitman

            First, wilson is only 4.5 years younger than Smith. I’d take that extra experience any day. Secondly, Wilson has been on a good team from Jump Street. Smith was on seven awful niners teams (I mean he was first over all for Christ’s sake, they were awful) and played for seven different offensive coordinators.

            That aside, if I’m reading you correctly, you’d rather have a guy put up monster stats than win a Super Bowl. Isn’t the Super Bowl the whole point of the game? Smith is entirely capable of taking the team there. That’s why I shared the Wilson stats, as he WON THE SUPER BOWL with eerily similar statistics.

          • trinity

            ….He’s only 4.5 years older? Who cares? Lol I’m talking about game years, not actual years dude. Do you understand? I think he’s only a few actual years older than kap too. Irrelevant. He’s a vet of nearly 10 years, and those guys are new to the game. Also, where in the world did I say “stats are more important than wins”? Lol my entire point, since I first started commenting on AA, was that you couldn’t win a superbowl with Alex Smith because he’s not a playmaker. I think it’s time for you and I to agree to disagree.

          • P Heitman

            I agree with you, he’s a vet of nearly 10 years. Great. Was also 20 when he was drafted, so there’s that. I see you wouldn’t even address the fact that Smith has been on some awful teams his entire career until 2010. Of course, that doesn’t support your argument so I don’t blame you for ignoring it.

            I get your point about game years, honestly. But the difference is, guys like Kaep and guys like Wilson INHERITED teams that were already good. They didn’t have to deal with a rebuild, the teams had been built. Why should Alex Smith be blamed for his team being awful and his coach getting fired every year? It surely doesn’t rest on the QB alone, and you know I’m right. For example, Marino was one of the best QBs ever and NEVER won a Super Bowl. Does that mean he sucks?

            Now, you say that “you couldn’t win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith because he’s not a playmaker.” Well dude, a guy just WON THE SUPER BOWL with nearly identical stats. Again, you have no argument against that as well, so once again you ignored what I said. I’m not sure what argument you really have left, bud. I know that you WANT to have a high-flying offense that attacks downfield because lets be honest, it’s exciting. Who wouldn’t want that? BUT it’s not the ONLY way to win in the NFL (see the 2014 Super Bowl…High flying offense loses to defensive, ball-control team). You just have to look back 3 months to see evidence that Smith CAN win a Super Bowl for KC. Will he? Who knows. But what’s good for the goose needs to be good for the gander. If one mediocre guy can do it (I’ll name a few: Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco), then another can do it.

            Sure, a franchise Quarterback increases the odds, but true franchise qbs aren’t sold on every street corner. There are PLENTY of teams that need a qb EVERY YEAR. It’s smart for the Chiefs to pick up Smith, a known quantity that can win games for them, IF the can get him at the right price. If not, the search continues. One thing you CANT do is bank on drafting a guy. Many, many, many drafted quarterbacks DON’T make it in the NFL. In fact, a great majority of them. Even LESS win a Super Bowl. It’s unknown quantity VS known quantity.

            Good luck to you man, sorry I got heated, I just plain and simple don’t agree with you. You would rather a guy throw 45 TDs, 23 INTs, 4,000 yards than win a super bowl. It’s obvious in your lack of recognizing the similarities between Wilson and Smith…But that’s fine, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, however misguided it may be.

          • trinity

            I didn’t touch on it, because I’ve touched on it 50 million times on this forum. If you insist we get into that, we can but it is so tiring.

            Actually, in a nutshell, I don’t think his struggles were all on all those different coordinators, EVEN THOUGH I DO AGREE THAT THAT WOULD HURT A QB. I agree with that part, so don’t fly off the handle. I just think he played a role in it too. The popular debate is that harbaugh saved him. So I don’t ever have a problem starting my Alex Smith argument from that point.

            This is what I think. I think Alex is an average talent. A guy you can win with if everything else goes well. But rarely the guy you win because of. He won’t make people better. People make him better. And, in my opinion, that is not good enough. In my opinion. If you don’t agree, that’s fine with me. All that matters at this point is what kind of contract they give him.

          • micah stephenson

            You forgot to mention Wilson is on a run, run, and run the ball some more team, while Ass11 is on a pass 1st team.

          • trinity

            You’re right. I don’t know who would compare alex to those guys outside of this forum. They came into the league already matching his production.

          • P Heitman

            Worst comment of all time.

          • micah stephenson

            Uh its true. They main plays are hand it off to Beast Mode!

          • micah stephenson

            Ok. I see that. Alex is a 9 year vet and is wat he is already. Wilson is just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential.

          • P Heitman

            Watch a game. Your comments are awful.

          • trinity

            I’ve watched plenty of games and I know all of his stats.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Guess who else threw a “measly” 23 touchdowns? Andrew Luck. Guess who threw even fewer TD’s? Colin Kaepernick, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco, Robert Griffin III, and Eli Manning. Cam Newton threw 1 more. Tom Brady threw 2 more. Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan threw 3 more. Nick Foles threw 4 more.

            Alex Smith = BUM

          • trinity

            Ok.
            1. Kap is young and still on development. If you want to debate the two, I’m happy to.

            2. Cutler was hurt
            3. Flacco didn’t have good numbers last year but he has a ring. What does alex have?
            4. RG3 was not healthy
            5. Eli manning was horrible. But he has 2 rings so I still like him better than Alex Smith.
            6. Do yourself a favor. Do not compare Alex Smith to one of the 4 elite.
            7. Russell Wilson is brand new and nearly matched the production of Alex Smith. Shouldn’t Smith be far beyond them? Ditto for kap.
            8. Nick foles walked in, partial season, and led the 29th ranked defense in the NFL to a division title.

            What else ya got?

          • trinity
          • trinity

            Check out the link I just sent you. This is how Smith is thought of by the majority. You guys are absolutely the minority. Like I said, if he walks, then what for him?? Everyone knows what’s up except you guys.

          • micah stephenson

            I think everybody in here would take every qb you named over ASS11. Cutler is prolly the only debatable one.

        • micah stephenson

          We already had talent. Romeo was clueless. We nust needed a coach.

      • trinity

        Hahahaha I would actually feel sorry for his ass. I know I would feel sorry for these fans in here that thinks he’s so good. Alex would be crazy to walk away from a team that can carry him.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      All of that talent outside of Smith won them how many games in 2012?

      • micah stephenson

        We didn’t have a coach to use the talent correctly. You keep ignoring that. How many games you thinkn we would win with ASS11 at QB with R.Cronnel as the coach instead of Reid?

  • Calchiefsfan

    Before everyone gets in a tizzy, do we believe this story? I’m a big fan of Smith’s and want to see him get paid and stay in KC for awhile but Aaron Rodgers money would be crazy if true. That’s why I don’t think it’s true. This would be an excellent way for Smith to NOT get a long term deal, be franchised next year then released the following year when Bray, Murray or another less costly but just as good option is available. Or maybe it’s just a negotiating tactic to make $85-90 million seem very reasonable.

    • micah stephenson

      If its not true, why hasn’t he signed a deal yet? If his demands are reasonable, why no extension yet?

      • Calchiefsfan

        Maybe he wants 7 years for $98 million and Dorsey only wants to give him $84 mil. Meaning I don’t have the slightest idea, lol. There could be a number of reasons. All I know is I would love to be a fly on the wall in those discussions.

  • Chris Tarrants

    I like what Smith brings to the table but not for that kind of coin! Nothing more than 70 million is what I would give him. He will not be confused with Manning or Brady any time soon so until he plays elite he should not get paid elite

  • GDL40

    I don’t comment much, but I really hope KC is not stupid enough to pay him like that. IMO they were already stupid enough giving up 2 very valuable 2nd round picks for him. (I know many people don’t share that same opinion, but ONE good season ain’t shit, we’ve had a few of those since our last playoff win) Is he good _? yes …. was he a part of the success we had last season ? yes …. but Charles and the D. deserve more credit for that. NOW we don’t know for sure that this is actually the case. That he actually is asking for that kind of money, but I believe that if it wasn’t true, there would be a deal done by now. Think back of that one report where they say there were “Substantial differences” & “sense of pessimism” about a deal. seems like THOSE reports were pretty accurate …… I say let him play out this year, he has to give it his all because teams will be watching him, and hopefully have Murray or Bray somewhat ready to step in, if they’re not, then franchise his ass (again he has to play his best if he wants another team to take him) Smith’s stats are not hard for a QB to match, yes prbly be more INT’s but prbly more scoring too. Where are all those fans that swore to death that little Alex would take a friendly deal for the team, that he is a good guy that is not greedy, blah blah blah ????

    • micah stephenson

      I agree on everhthing you said. To touch on the int thing. Yes a different QB is gone have more ints (mayby, cassel only had 7 in 2010) but he will make more plays downfield also cus he won’t play so “safe”.

    • trinity

      Amen! Charles and the D deserve the credit for leading alex, not the other way around.

    • GDL40

      It’s crazy how there are Chiefs fans that actually think that is ok, even if it’s not really what he’s asking for, the fact that there’s fans saying they’d rather pay him that kind of money then let him go is just crazy.

  • micah stephenson

    Could some post a link of ASS11′s highlight reel for last yr and tell me where they see 126 million worth of QB. Lol. Devide that in half. Mayby 63 mill over 5 yrs with 2 voidable yrs is more realistic.

    • P Heitman

      Don’t think anyone wants to pay him that, including John Dorsey. I highly doubt the accuracy of Jason Cole’s Tweet. That said, he’s going to get more than his current contract, regardless of where he plays.

  • unclejesse40

    I seem to remember Alex Smith having injury concerns. That is a heck of a lot of money to spend on a guy that might make us play Bray or Murray in the next couple of years anyway. I really like the guy and I know this is what happens when agents and GM’s talk figures but it really does make me worry that we might paint ourselves into a corner. I think Smith makes good players better but guys like Manning, Brady, Rodgers make bad players look like freaking pro bowlers.

    • micah stephenson

      He only played 3 full seasons out of 9 seasons including last yr. He is very soft/injury prone.

      • Calchiefsfan

        A total of 2 games missed in the last 3 years isn’t really injury prone.

        • micah stephenson

          Only 3 full seasons in 9 total seasons. Odds say its about time for him to get injured this season.

  • unclejesse40

    Smith also needs to be aware that the Chiefs can pay him this year and franchise him next year and then be done with him when he is on the other side of the peak of his career and no one is willing to give him more than two years.

    • Calchiefsfan

      That is why I think this story is BS. I think you hit it right on the head, it would be a dumb play for Alex.

  • Kevin Smith

    No effin way.. I’d drop him now and move on. At least Flacco had the decency to put up a flawless playoff run and super bowl win before he forgot who he was. We picked this guy outta the trash behind Candlestick park just a little over one year ago and Jamaal Charles carried his ass thru half the season anyways before he blew the biggest playoff lead ever in the history of the league. I’ve been a huge Alex Smith supporter since day one, but there aren’t enough words to express how offended I am that he’d do this to the team.

    • superman_25_58

      Smith didn’t blow shit the Defense blew the playoff lead. How is a QB up 28 points in 3rd, end with a 44 point total get the blame for losing the game? Nah that was on the defense and the defense it’s self, this is exactly why we picked Dee Ford with this years pick. it gives Tamba and Houston more breathers without a huge drop off in production. Pay the man 14 mil per year for 5yrs. (didn’t mean to put 12 for 4 earlier fingers weren’t working with brain I guess lol).

      • Kevin Smith

        You’re right, blame absolutely goes to the D for that loss. My point there was just that he hasn’t even won us a playoff game yet. I want a super bowl before I hear numbers like 126M thrown around, or at the very least a playoff win..

        • superman_25_58

          I understand your point but the ONLY reason SMITH hasn’t won a playoff game already has everything to do with the defense not showing up when some key contributors started missing time. This year hopefully that won’t happen with key offseason pick ups and the draft where we got Dee Ford to help the defense out when people go down without losing a lot of production. Smith being more familiar with his WR and Playbook should help the offense out tremendously when he goes to sling the rock around this year!

    • trinity

      Beautifully stated Kevin. You are absolutely right. Smith would have no success without being carried, so I find it hideous that he would have the nerve to ask for that kind of money.

      • superman_25_58

        ^^^^^^ this makes no sense!

    • scomstock55

      totally disagree…lol…picked him out of the trash? thats ridiculous. You are stoned man..he didnt blow that lead….that is just insane….the defense blew that lead….and if not for a drop by Bowe we would have won that game despite the injuries and horrible defensive effort…..Jamaal is great no doubt…but what you say abou the trash heap and blowing the lead are just plain wrong….

      • Kevin Smith

        Really? Cuz the chiefs COULD have drafted any of the four QBs from the conference championship games last year except for Manning. We didn’t do it, and we picked a guy who the rest of the league had labeled a bust. I was all for it, I still am. I LIKE Alex Smith a lot, that’s why I’m so upset. We’re already talking about trading or cutting pro-bowlers who have dedicated the best part of their careers to a disappointing Chiefs franchise in order to free up cap space. We’re finally pointed in the right direction and now this? We gave a promising back up QB a chance, and he proved adequate with flashes of brilliance. He didn’t lose that playoff game, but he didn’t win it either. He does not deserve to be paid like a Champion. That could change given a year or two, but forcing the team that gave you a chance into a nasty contract dispute one mediocre year in is pretentious at best. To everyone but us Chiefs fans we’ve already been beaten twice this year by a better QB in Peyton Manning, but we’re supposed to pay Smith more than Manning? I’ll agree he’s better than his current contract, but not three times better. If he won’t be reasonable I’m perfectly happy letting him try his luck elsewhere. The Jets maybe? I’m done overpaying average QBs..

        • Nick the Kick

          F’ing A, Although he is better than average, your comment is exactly how I feel.

        • micah stephenson

          I agree

      • superman_25_58

        I totally agree!

  • berttheclock

    Fortunately, this is going to come down to Tom Condon and John Dorsey working together. Thank someone up or out there that is will never be any negotiation between John Dorsey and micah or John Dorsey and trinity.
    Alex Smith is our franchise QB and he well deserves to be paid as a franchise QB.

    • micah stephenson

      I wish it was up to me and Trinity to find the team QBs.

    • trinity

      If they agree with you, then you can kiss your chance at a superbowl goodbye. You’ll lose to Peyton and Tom until they retire, then you’ll start losing to Andrew luck.

    • trinity

      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000353892/article/alex-smith-chiefs-headed-for-the-franchise-tag

      Check that out bert. It was written today. This is what the majority thinks of Alex Smith.

      • Calchiefsfan

        Honestly, I stopped listening to these “experts” a long time ago. They are rarely right and it seems especially so when it comes to the Chiefs. I do agree with them that the open market is not going to be as kind to 2nd tier QB’s as Tom Condon thinks, (or is pretending to think). I also think that we will see fewer “limitations” on Smith’s play this year with Reid, the QB whisperer, coaching him, imho.

        • trinity

          Honestly I think the limitations will still be there. Not because Reid isn’t good at working with QBs. But because Reid traded for Alex with his limitations in mind. His aim was never to change Alex Smith. His aim was the same as harbaugh. To nail down the exact perfect game plan to work with his limitations. They don’t ask him to do much.

  • Micheal

    Here is a nice link showing QB contracts http://goo.gl/HxErof

  • preston riley

    I wouldn’t read much into the numbers at this time. Unfortunately, when it comes to agents – there is always an eye towards the market for all QBs. What Smith is asking for now is what his agent is actually asking. I take Alex at his word when he says he stays out of that stuff (at least I believe he is for now).

    Why would Smith’s agent seek an amount that would lower the overall market for QBs? What if Smith signs for a lower than market rate but then has a real good year? Then it’s like Smith and his Agent blew it for QBs in general and lowered the market rate. (kind of like sitting at end of blackjack table and hitting and taking dealer’s bust card. All other players at table just glare at you.)

    I imagine that at some point, a deal will get done at a more reasonable rate. It’s all just talk right now.

  • Calchiefsfan

    Just two days ago I said I was sick of debating about Smith and here I am again commenting like crazy. Bert you are noticeably missing. Are you the only sane one in this group?

  • Stacy D. Smith

    I’ll say this and bow out of this discussion entirely: There are currently six quarterbacks with 100+ million contracts. There will probably be four more in just two years. By 2016, a third of the league will have such a contract. You can’t put that horse back in the barn at this point. Quarterback salaries are ballooning. Carson Palmer will be a $12 million cap hit in Arizona this year. Think about that.

    • trinity

      Who cares? That’s a problem the NFL has, not something to be used as an excuse to pay someone who doesn’t deserve it. People say the problem is that there is no second tier QB market. I call for the chiefs to make a statement. Create that market. This would be the perfect time to make that statement, because Alex needs them even more than they need him, despite what you think. They should make the statement that if you want elite money, very simply, you have to play elite.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        You always seem to shrug your shoulders at the meaningful information that gives a line of discussion perspective. Not paying Alex Smith isn’t going to create a second-tier market for quarterbacks. He’ll go elsewhere and get the money. We’ll be without a competent quarterback. There are already non-elite quarterbacks in the $100 million contract club. Hell, there are elite quarterbacks who AREN’T. This is a matter of league economics. Being in denial about that doesn’t change anything.

        • trinity

          And you seem to disregard obvious reality in a way that’s baffling. He’s with Andy Reid because Reid has given chances to physically limited quarterbacks in the past. Before that he was with harbaugh who did a great job of managing his liabilities. Now he is reportedly asking for top tier money when he has thrown for 3000 yards only twice, and thrown for more than 20 touchdowns just once, in almost a full decade. Those top tier guys simply have an array of physical advantages that Smith very simply doesn’t. Harbaugh and Reid puy him in situations where he had Clearly defined reads, didn’t have to make tough throws down the field against converging defenders, and he was instructed to just throw it away if he didn’t like what he saw. Not try to make a play by reading something for himself. But if he didn’t like what the cherry picked for him, he was instructed to give up on the play. They didn’t ask him to do much, because they know that he simply doesn’t have the talent to do much. And Stacy, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS!!!! but you are going to sit there, with a straight face, and actually say that he’s going to command a huge market? I mean, what?? Maybe in Stacy land he will. Not in reality.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Your opinion of Alex Smith relies too heavily on your opinion. You haven’t offered any real metrics or statistical analysis to make your objections. I’m okay with that. I just wish you’d stop pretending there’s anything objective about your stance. Here’s what Tom Condon would tell you: Of the six quarterbacks in the $100 million contract club, Alex Smith just outplayed four of them. That makes a hell of a case for a contract between $13-15 million per year.

          • trinity

            What? Stacy, I have given you his stats a million damn times! Don’t sit there and tell a flat out lie by saying that I haven’t. Hell, I even just recited his career stats in a nutshell in that single argument, and I’ve argued both his stats last year, and overall with you plenty before. No maybe, I absolutely have debated numbers with you and you know it. And what do you mean my opinion? Lol I didn’t just give you my opinion, I just gave you the offensive game plan for Alex Smith. Either you know the game plan and just don’t want to admit it, or you really don’t know what you’re talking about. If you want to revisit stats, you know i will.

            But honestly I get the feeling you don’t want to talk about that, because it doesn’t help your argument. Lets talk about that market you’ve claimed he will get. Care to go into detail?

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Career numbers don’t determine a player’s current market value. His most recent performance does. That performance puts him in the company of players with $100 million contracts. Again, he outperformed four of those six players in 2013.

          • trinity

            And those players have accomplished things that Alex likely never will. You’re telling me that new teams will only look at what that player produced in only the previous year, and not overall? If that is the case, why are Matt schaub and Carson palmer starting quarterbacks right now? Particularly schaub, because if a team measured his worth by only his final year with the texans, he would be out of the league. To say teams aren’t going to consider every aspect of a player before giving them a fat contract is laughable. And you know what? Lets get specific here since you like that so much. You say if Alex walks, there will be a big market of teams waiting to give him a deal. Well lets analyze that statement in detail.

            New England-not in market
            jets-developing geno/vick a solid 2
            Bills-stated they’re all in on Manuel and will only bring in another QB if it’s to back up manuel.
            Dolphins-view tannehill as franchise QB.

            Steelers-not in QB market
            ravens-nothing QB market
            bengals-thinks Dalton can get it together, drafted mccarron
            Browns-manziel mania.

            Colts-not in market
            houston-developing savage as franchise QB
            jax-bortles is future of franchise
            ten-drafted mettenberger in case locker can’t stay healthy.

            Broncos-not in market
            chiefs-current team
            chargers-not in market
            raiders-drafted D Carr for QOF

            cowboys-not in market
            eagles-not in market
            giants-not in market
            redskins-not in market

            Packers-not in market
            bears-not in market
            lions-not in market
            vikes-drafted QOF

            Saints-not in market
            Panthers-not in market
            Falcons-not in market
            bucs-lovie loves McCown, stated glennon is QOF.

            Seattle-not in market
            San Francisco-LMAO!
            St. Louis-dealing with Bradford
            Arizona-not in market.

            There you have have it. The entire league quarterback situation. Lets analyze shall we? Of all 32 teams, there is nothing even close to a sure thing for the contract Alex Smith wants. Of a league of 32, there are only 4 I call iffy. Lets discuss.

            Ten- in terms of personnel it would be an absolute disaster for Alex Smith. He knows he needs talent around him, and that’s why he rejected the chance to go to Miami on the exact same deal San Francisco was offering him. He chose the more talented team because that’s what he needs. So I don’t think that’s a go.

            Cin-excellent fit in terms of wide receiver talent, but makes no sense for them to not pay Dalton for not winning in the playoffs, but pay a guy who is older, less physically talented, and more expensive than developing mccarron. A mccarron who has almost the exact same strengths and weaknesses coming out of college as Alex does now. Check his draft profile online. So that doesn’t make sense.

            Houston-o’brien has stated that savage is QOF, so no long term deal for alex. Plus o’brien is known for loving prototypical Tom Brady Peyton manning Joe flacco types. And again, no long term heavy paying deal because of savage. So that’s out.

            Then st. Louis. They were considering drafting a possible replacement now, but reports say they are looking to the draft next year. They would rather draft a guy a keep him 15 years, than pay a 10 year vet 100 mil, right after they just gave Bradford 78 mil and watched him fall on his face. Plus he may still be the answer if healthy, so a deal for alex is unlikely.

            And there you have it. So tell me. Where is that “big market”? As you always say. “It’s ok, I’ll wait”.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Three of the six quarterbacks in that club have never won anything meaningful. Only two of the six quarterbacks in that club are widely considered elite. Those two facts should demonstrate the economics of the quarterback market and how it isn’t tied to elite productivity or performance.

            The Schaub signing doesn’t prove anything about 1st and 2nd tier signings. He just got a $13.5 million contract (that’s a two-year number) from a football team that has mishandled their quarterback situation for more than a decade. Alex Smith’s BASE salary for 2014 is only a half-million cheaper than Schaub’s FULL contract guarantee. And you think a quarterback’s most recent performance DOESN’T affect a contract negotiation?

            Carson Palmer’s a better example of how the recent quarterback market works. He was signed by the Arizona Cardinals the year following his best single-season performance in five years. To put that into perspective, it was his fourth-highest rated season of his career. He inked a contract that paid him $8 million per season. As someone scraping the bottom of the second-tier quarterback barrel.

            I never suggested Smith’s market value has anything to do with the number of teams who’ll be in the market for a quarterback. For the record, I’d argue that there are at least four. His value is based on how he grades out comparable to other quarterbacks overall AND those with the kind of contracts he’ll be seeking. He compares favorably and that’s something his agent will remind the Chiefs of every chance he gets. Having a number of teams interested will help, but he won’t need a lot of interest to have a 9-figure contract thrown at him. Quarterbacks of Smith’s caliber almost never hit the open market.

          • trinity

            To your first point, that’s why I said a few replies ago that the chiefs should make a statement by creating a new market. “Of Smith’s caliber”. Lol. Ok. Unfortunately for Smith, his “caliber” around the league is viewed more in line with my opinion than yours, so I think you are in for a huge shock if he does hit the market. It’s common knowledge most everywhere except AA. And just out of curiosity, where exactly is the market in your opinion? A market is teams interested. I just laid out the quarterback landscape of the entire league. And that’s not even looking at the cap situation of the iffy teams. Who do you think?

          • Stacy D. Smith

            As many as 7 teams could be interested in Smith come the end of the season. All but two of them have the available cap space to sign him. So even based on your curious definition of the word “market” (it’s not based solely upon the number of teams interested), he’d be in great position. He’ll be the best free agent quarterback available if he isn’t re-signed.

          • trinity

            :) name all 7 teams.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Oakland, Cleveland, Tennessee, Minnesota, Houston, Arizona, and St. Louis.

          • trinity

            Remember, I stressed long term deals that he wouldn’t get. Long term 100 million. So what you’re saying to me is that, 3 team. Who just drafted potential franchise quarterbacks per thier own words. Guys who they are giving chances right away to win the starting job. Guys who they think have tremendous upside. Guys who they feel will guide their teams for the next 15 years. You’re telling me, that they would abruptly switch that plan. Toss those high draft picks to the bench for years. All in order to pay a 30 year old game manager 100 million dollars? A 10 year vet who has eclipsed 3000 yards only twice, who has only thrown for 20 touchdowns only once, who has a career high of only a little over 200 yards a game, and last season, his best season yet, only had 26% of his passes travel beyond the first down marker, ranking dead last in the nfl. They will hold up the future for that?

            They are going to hold up their future plan, to take that game manager, and make him have to outduel Aaron Rogers for a division title, Peyton for a division title who he lost to twice last year, or rothliesberger and flacco, 2 champions, twice a year in hopes of winning a division for them? They are going to put thier future on hold, and bet 100 million dollars he can do it? Makes sense. And by makes sense, I mean it’s ludicrous. Lol you’ll see Stacy :)

          • Stacy D. Smith

            “Only 26% of his passes travel beyond the first down marker.” Rhetorically powerful, but doesn’t signify what you think it does. Again, less than a third of ALL passes (you know, from every quarterback) is thrown beyond 10 yards. The average NFL pass is about 6.5 yards. Is there variance between quarterbacks? Absolutely, but the degree that separates quarterbacks in that category is often very small.

            Here’s data collected on the top four quarterbacks in the 2014 draft class. Note the volume of throws between 0-10 yards.

          • trinity

            Good point. But, “is there variance among quarterbacks?” As you ask? Yes I know there is, because that percentage is ranked, and he is dead last in the entire league.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            And that’s not as significant as you make it out to be. I mentioned in my article “In Defense Of Paying Alex Smith” that over 50% of his passing yard totals come from yards after the catch. Thing is, when you look at the other quarterbacks in his immediate company, you realize how that’s an overhyped statistic that tends only to have significance when used to bolster “game manager” claims.

          • trinity

            There is no game manager “claims” as if it’s untrue. That’s what he is. Even Reid knows that. Reid thinks it’s a good thing, because his system calls for just a game
            manager. Of course, it wasn’t good enough for harbaugh, and he would be fucked in a system where he had to do more, and it may not be good enough for Reid anymore either, because reports say he was going to draft a QB first round……but those are other stories lol. And you say it’s not significant. The way he plays is significant, because what the hell has he accomplished in nearly a decade?? Nothing, zilch, nada. You just don’t want to admit it is significant, and that’s the thing about you. You don’t want to hear anything that isn’t in line with what you want to believe. I noticed that, after a long debate in the last thread, when I offered to send you a link that reports that KC wanted manziel, you all of a sudden stopped replying. When I offered you an unbiased piece on Alex Smith in this thread, you chose to bow out of the discussion. I could show you a piece done last season in which PFF did an article on “the worst players on the best teams” featuring Alex Smith, but I know you wouldn’t read that either. And these people are not giving thier opinions based on something stupid like his attitude. They are giving them by watching what he produces! His actual physical, in-game production. But you don’t want to hear that. But I’m the only one biased here right? Lol you are not fooling me Stacy. You know damn well what’s up. You know full well how he is regarded. Simply, you are in that awkward sports situation where you’re a big fan of a player who simply isn’t that good. The underdog thing. Fans of christian ponder feel the same as you do, fans of Tebow feel the same as you do, fans of case Keenum feel the same as you do (he has quite the following actually). It’s just simply a matter of you being a fan of a guy who isn’t that talented, and you don’t want to hear the truth. Fine. But don’t act like you’re oblivious to his shortcomings because it makes you look ridiculous.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Reid has a very different definition of the term “game manager.” He doesn’t use the word as a pejorative. Here’s the specific passage where Reid used the term to describe Smith:

            “I think it’s a tribute to him,” Reid told Pro Football Talk on NBCSN. “I don’t know one great quarterback that hasn’t been a great game manager. So I think it’s a heck of a compliment, and he does that, he’s taken the youngest offensive line in the National Football League and helped them become better. One great thing about great quarterbacks is they make everyone around them a little better than what they are and he’s able to do that, including the head coach.”

            I have no interest in reading external opinions of Alex Smith. I’m having this exchange with you and again you haven’t offered much in the way of original thought or analysis (of statistics in their proper context).

            I’m not suggesting that you’re biased, but I do think you’re giving yourself far more credit than you deserve in your understanding of quarterback play and the economics of the NFL. With respect, I don’t think you’ve demonstrated a firm grasp of either. That’s neither here nor there though. Everybody has an opinion. I have mine and you clearly have yours. I can’t change your mind and I suspect not even good evidence will either.

            Good day, sir.

          • trinity

            I said he, for his system, thinks its good. However I see you didn’t acknowledge the part where it wasn’t good enough for harbaugh or the part about the report that the chiefs wanted manziel.

            It’s ok, I know how you operate now. I know you don’t want to see analysis of him based on his actual production because it doesn’t support your point. Lol yes, good day indeed. Take care.

          • trinity

            I don’t think my reply to that came through. What I said was that you made a good point. But “are there variances among quarterbacks?” Yes there is because the percentages are ranked, and Alex Smith is ranked dead last in the league. And also, you’re the one always talking about the importance of perspective right? If Aaron Rogers feels it’s the smart thing to go for an 6 yard little toss, he will do it on that play. But let one of his recievers get just half a step on a defender going deep. Lol not even a whole damn step and sometimes even double coverage… And he will not hesitate for half a second to fling that ball deep with beautiful velocity and placement, not just once a game, but how ever many times he damn well pleases because he can do that. Nobody tells Aaron Rogers, Peyton manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees that they need to only look for the safe toss, don’t try to make plays downfield too much, and just give up on the play if you don’t like how it’s playing out. Those short throws are game planned for Alex Smith because he needs a firm game plan for his limitations. Again, common knowledge everywhere except here. So keep that perspective in mind.

          • micah stephenson

            Wow. It be better for those teams tl let Carr, Meinziel, and Teddy B, play. You get better faster by playing not sit n.

          • micah stephenson

            Houston and Tenn look like good spots if they didnt draft a guy. Of corse i see nothing but a bunch of 7 wins seasons for both teams with ASS11 at QB.

        • micah stephenson

          Well if that how much he will cost, we should go another direction.

  • Doc

    One more year, then let him walk. Time to get behind the young guns Bray and Murray. We have to stop the man love with certain players and stop letting the players hold us hostage (I.e., Bowe – yeah, I’m not a big fan of him) for money where it causes us other problems in other positions. May as well get the reps from Bray and Murray this year so they have some time to take the reigns next year. Maybe A Smith can find a team with another year under his belt and another year older. If he will settle for fair money, then keep him around. Otherwise picking up another QB this draft instead of a receiver should make one question Dorsey’s abilities. Didn’t we just go through this with a guy that came over from NE? Sort of seems like déjà’ Vu all over again.

  • Lyle Graversen

    I’m going to keep saying it.

    5 years (including this season)
    80 million
    35 mil guaranteed
    15 mil signing bonus

    This year and 2015 fully guaranteed.
    2016 will still have a little guaranteed $ but they could cut him if they had to.
    2016-2017 would basically be there to pad the contract total dollars and KC would never actually pay for those years. So while it looks like 16 mil/year, for the 3 years they’d actually pay him for it would actually be like 12.5 mil.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Sorry, 2017-2018 there to pad numbers.

    • trinity

      12.5 is a little high to me, but it’s certainly more reasonable than what he’s asking if the report is true. 18 million a year, for a damn game manager. Sickening. I’m ready to see what he gets.

  • mattU

    I think if Smith wants big-time franchise QB money they need to focus everything on extending Houston to a 2015 cap friendly deal and just franchise Smith next year. Murray may or may not be a better option in 2016, but Reid’s system has demonstrated that less talented QB’s can thrive in it if they have the right skill-set…And I don’t think they would have taken Murray if they didn’t believe he had the right skill-set.

  • scomstock55

    what he wants right now isnt really relevant. Let him play out the season and see how it goes…then his wants can be compared to his accomplishments and we can work from there….we have very very capaple backups…we will be fine

  • David E. Bell

    The “nfl gods must be crazy”. …this is ruining football. just sayin’

    • trinity

      I agree. 18 million a year for a damn game manager. Absurdity.

  • Suzi Conger

    These are all rumors!! No one knows what the Chiefs are offering, nor what Alex Smith is seeking…what a bunch of smoke B.S.!!!

  • Suzi Conger

    AReid, JDorsey, CHunt, ASmith have stated REPEATEDLY that an extention would take place pre-season, during ’14 season, or at the end of ’14 season… I agree with LizSmith; I find all these gossip rumors to be amusing…nobody knows what ASmith is seeking, nor what Chiefs are offering at this point… lol, all speculation unsubstantiated gossip rumors by ‘writers’ and some ‘fans’…very comical indeed