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What Is Going On With The Alex Smith Negotiations?


Andy Reid told the NFL Network this morning the Chiefs are in “open communication” with Alex Smith regarding a new contract. While he said general manager John Dorsey his handling all of the negotiation, Reid said in his experience that when there is open communication that something tends to get done.

To further the notion the Chiefs may be getting close to a deal with Smith, Smith said at OTAs today that he feels good about the potential of getting a deal done with the Chiefs.

Everything looks good, right? Reid says a deal will happen, Smith sounds positive, so everything is looking good. Apparently not.

Okay, maybe this is just a national guy being a little behind on the uptake. Maybe there was a new development in negotiations or Werdner’s source is misinformed. Whatever, it happens.

Now we’ve got a conundrum. On one hand the Chiefs are in “open communications” with Smith and on the other hand the Chiefs basically are not talking to Smith. What exactly are we supposed to make of this?

One train of thought here is both sides are trying to gain footing in negotiations with each side clearly demonstrating a desire to keep Smith in Kansas City while at the same time putting a flag in the ground in terms of contract demands. Should a deal get done it is going to probably happen between early June and late August so it would make sense for both sides to be in the early stages of a negotiation. In fact, considering how busy Dorsey has been with the draft and free agency it would make sense that neither side has talked about an extension.

There may also be an element of a standoff here. Projections for Smith’s new deal would make him a top 10 paid quarterback in the league, and while Smith is a good quarterback, he’s not a quarterback worth giving top 10 money to. The Chiefs drafted Aaron Murray and are a year into developing Tyler Bray, both of whom have starting upside. The need to overpay Smith long-term isn’t there.

One thing is for sure, the phase of re-signing/extending players appears to have begun.

Tags: Alex Smith Kansas City Chiefs

  • Tyler Alexander

    Get it done now. Its obvious that anyone who says “let him play out this year at the cheaper rate” has never negotiated a contract before. With the salary inflation inherent to the expected salary cap increase, it will make it virtually impossible for the Chiefs to compete in a bidding situation.

    Just for reference:

    Alex Smith 4179 total yards in 16 games (15+1 playoff) 27td/7Int

    Tom Brady 4361 total yards in 16 games 25td/11Int

    Supposedly one could be the greatest ever and the other is hot garbage…

    • micah stephenson

      One of those qbs has 3 rings and will always b a contender for another one and the other qb has no rings and never will. Big difference.

    • trinity

      Don’t compare Alex Smith to any elite quarterback. You are only begging for ridicule when you do

      • Stacy D. Smith

        There are about five elite quarterbacks in the NFL. FIVE. That’s not a legitimate reason to abstain from giving Smith a Top 10-12 quarterback type of contract.

      • Tyler Alexander

        Like I give a shit what you think. You and Micah are morons.

        • micah stephenson

          Yo momma is a moron b**ch!

    • Stacy D. Smith

      If he plays another quality season on the current deal, he’s GONE at season’s end. There will be NO way our front office gets a new deal done. We won’t have the money to compete on the open market. That’s suicidal.

      • Jim Harper

        Exactly Stacy! Not only that, but in my mind it smacks of disrespect of Alex. He came in and not only lived up to his end, but surpassed all expectations in a big way. The truth is we don’t really know what we have in Murray or Bray yet, but a deal can be done for Alex that does not lock the Chiefs into him forever. I for one am a bit embarrassed that a deal has not been done yet.

  • Hawthorne

    Whatever his deal, we need to be able to get out in 2 years if we have to. I love the job that Smith has done and I want to keep him, but we have other good players we need to lock up as well. If signing Smith keeps us from extending Houston it’s not worth it.

    • micah stephenson

      Amen brotha. I hope the contract is written in away we can move on from Ass11 cheap wen the time comes.

    • micah stephenson

      You see J.Houston is already sitting out cus he not happy with the 1.5 mill he will make this yr.

  • redchiefs

    My guess is there are negotiations to restructure a couple or 3 other contracts before they can finalize the contract with Alex Smith.

    • tm1946

      No one seemed all that interested in restructuring their contract during the free agency period. Seem more interested in keeping what they contracted for,

      • Ben Nielsen

        It is possible they were not asked to restructure. (Just playing devil’s advocate here.)

  • Stan

    Everyone thinks it’s so easy to get a QB that wins, like Alex. Tyler Bray and Aaron have not played one down in the NFL and they want them to be starters. How in the hell do we know if they can do it. Some of you want an undrafted QB or a 5th round QB to run our offense. Only a Tom Brady (6th round) or a Kurt Warner (Arena Football) did it in recent times out of how many QB’s? Alex in the past 3 years has won more games than any QB except Peyton.

    • micah stephenson

      I speak for the Murray fans on this one. I haven’t seen not one post about Murray starting day 1. I personally just want to see him in the preseason to see wat potential he has to one day b a starter. I don’t care to even see wat Bray can do, don’t have much faith in him. Keep n mind Murray has 1st rd talent and looks like he passes downfield a lot more. The ideal situation is for murray to watch for 8-16 games before starting.

      • Larry Devore

        I’m looking forward to see what Bray can do during preseason.

        • micah stephenson

          Ima check him out, but I hope Murray gets most the PT. Hopefully they both do really well.

    • trinity

      People want Murray and Bray, because if they take Alex Smith’s place, they really won’t have huge shoes to fill. It’s not like taking the place of one of the elite quarterbacks in the game. All you need is a guy who can be a game manager
      Like Alex. Just for a little while, until they can find a franchise quarterback. One of them would be cheaper than Alex Smith, and they also may surprise you by being more than a manager. We already know exactly what we’re getting in Alex.

    • micah stephenson

      You said “how in the hell do we know if they can do it”
      I say “how do we know if they can’t do it”
      Only one way to find out.

  • micah stephenson

    I just hope the contract is configured in a way so that when A.Murray surpasses Ass11, like Kopernick did in a yr and a half and wasnt as good as propsect as Murray is, it won’t cost us much in dead money to move on from him.

    • trinity

      I agree. It all comes down to the contract. If they give him a long term deal, they’re screwed.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        I’d love an explanation of why the Chiefs will be screwed if Smith is retained for the next 3-4 years. This is a popular meme I see repeated ad nauseum, but I’ve yet to read a reasonable explanation that makes the case. Care to elaborate?

        • trinity

          I thought it would be obvious. I always said, they can’t commit to him long term. If they give him a 3 or 4 year deal, then I think it should be structured in a way where they could drop him easily. This is not a top 10 quarterback. He is in the 17th-20th range in my opinion when it comes to quarterbacks. So the top priority of the deal should not be to take care of him, it should be to make sure that the organization can move on quickly if they find an actual franchise quarterback. Whether it be Murray, bray, or through the draft.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            You should read the entire article I posted. Makes a great case as to why he deserves a new deal. You’d be hard pressed to name 16 better quarterbacks in this league.

            So you’re ready to start a rebuild in 2015 with a TON of productive veterans still on your roster? When several of those contracts are unlikely to be dumped? You just completely squander a talented core of veterans because you don’t think Alex Smith is worth an 8-figure annual salary? When players like Carson Palmer are scheduled to make 9 milli in 2014? The ceiling is higher than it ever has been. Gone are the days where you’ll sign quarterbacks like Smith for less than $10-12 million per year.

            With respect, this strategy of walking away from Smith, squandering a viable window or opportunity, and handing the keys of the franchise to a quarterback who has never played a down in the NFL, with such a talented base of players makes absolutely no sense.

            You’d be wasting the time you have left with Charles, Hali, Houston, Flowers, Bowe, Johnson, DeVito, and Fasano. AND you’d be flushing two R2 picks in the process. You just don’t do that in this league and live to tell.

          • trinity

            Stacy, I could just as easily post an argument as to why he doesn’t deserve top 10 money. What did he produce? And you misunderstand me. I never said anything about dropping him on his ass RIGHT NOW. I’m all for a new deal. What I was saying was that they have to structure the deal in a way where it looksout for the oorganization. I’ve said a million times that Alex is a great guy to have under center until you can find an actual franchise quarterback. He’s a really nice little holdup guy. They just have to make it easy on themselves to unload him when they find one. For instance, Dallas. Lol they are well and truly fucked when it comes to Tony Romo. Jerry paid him a ridiculous amount of money for watching the playoffs from the couch every year, and it was structered in a way that they are stuck with that loser. If they had a chance to grab the greatest quarterback in the world, they couldn’t do it without crippling the organization financially, so they are stuck with Tony. Now I’m not saying Alex is getting 55 million guaranteed like tony. Lol we both know that will never happen. But I’m sure you get my drift. Alex isn’t a franchise quarterback, so the chiefs have to look out for the chiefs.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Don’t be shy. I’m sure we’d all love to hear your numbers-based argument about why he doesn’t deserve an extension. Take your time.

            When is an organization-friendly deal ever NOT the objective in contract negotiations?

          • micah stephenson

            I cud EASILY name 15 QBs most people would rather have. I will name them wen I get back home.

          • JonnySkidmore

            God, I swear, just by reading every one of your posts I can gather that you are one bull-headed oxygen thief.

        • micah stephenson

          Cus as long as he is QB our offense will b stuck in neutral.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    The Chiefs can’t afford to squander this window of opportunity.

    • micah stephenson

      They can’t afford to over pay Ass11 ethier. Houston is already holding out. We need a lot of money to try to find elite level talent to surround an avg Ass11. Hudson still needs a new contract. We still need a wr, which will b hard to attract with our current qb and salery cap. We over pay Alex and we are ***ked for yrs to come. Over paying him makes it seem like we will just keep losing our drafted players.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Smith gets a new deal, Houston waits. Simple math.

        • micah stephenson

          If Smith gets new deal worth much more than he is making, then Houston will want that free agent money and not the chump change we will b left offering him.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Quarterbacks are being paid a hell of a lot more these days. He’ll get $12 million or more per yer. Here or elsewhere.

          • trinity

            When you say elsewhere, where do you have in mind?

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Another team that has a need at quarterback.

        • micah stephenson

          You see how the d was effected without Houston? He is more Valuable. If/when Ass11 goes down, all the QBs on the roster can do what he do.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Quarterback is the most important position the field. That’s not even open for debate.

          • trinity

            Yes but that’s usually based on the assumption that the quarterback is the leader of the team. I agree that the quarterback position is most important. But I also acknowledge that it makes it a little tricky when that quarterback isn’t even the leader of the team. Unlike every team, except perhaps the Vikings, the chiefs are in a situation where it’s their running back, not the QB, leading the charge. Alex Smith is just a piece of a puzzle that’s built around JC, and he should be paid as such. If the chiefs fuck up and commit to him long term, understand that they are screwed.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            This team scored 44 points with Smith at the helm, in the biggest game of the season, AFTER Jamaal Charles went down. There’s no question about who the leader of this football team is and it’s not Charles.

          • trinity

            You can’t just single out 1 game out of 17 just to bolster your own opinion. That loss was the best game of Smith’s career. But one could easily argue that even his very best is not enough to carry the team to victory. But it doesn’t matter, because you have to look at the whole picture. JC is a running back. A running back, and he scored damn near half the chiefs touchdowns. A running back was your leading reciever. Because that’s Alex’s comfort zone. Tossing it to JC, and letting him do the work. You know that’s true. I say you know it, because how could you watch the game and not see it?? It’s impossible not to honestly, unless you just don’t want to see it. Either way, everyone outside this forum knows this is JCs offense. And Smith just complements him. They have to pay him for what he is. A piece of a puzzle surrounding JC.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I don’t have to. How about a 102 passer rating after the break?

            Charles was the workhorse because he has a unique skillset and can hurt a defense in a number of ways. Smith and the passing offense needed time to develop offensive rhythm. After the first 9, that’s exactly what they developed. They scored 44 points with Charles in the lockerroom.

            I’ve heard the Captain Checkdown arguments. They don’t check out. I’ve objected to them once. Read about it here: http://arrowheadaddict.com/2014/04/22/defense-paying-alex-smith.

            There’s a specific excerpt you should take note of:

            “Based on statistical information compiled and analyzed by Sporting Charts, his percentage of air yards was among the lowest in the league. Air yards are defined as the “the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception.” Of Smith’s 3,313 passing yards, only 44.6% of them were through the air. That means that over half of all of his passing yards were actually yards after the catch. He was 3rd in the league in this category.

            Before you grab your pitchfork, consider the company Smith was in last year. Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Nick Foles, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, and Andy Dalton all had YAC totals that exceeded 50%. In fact, there are only about 5 percentage points that separate the best and worst quarterbacks of this group.”

          • trinity

            There is no pitchfork to grab :). I can analyze a lot of stats that can make him seem elite. And I can analyze a lot of stats that make him seem like a scrub. What I like to break it down to is simply this……what did this player produce? Not the team. Take away everything, and focus just on that player. What did that player produce? Because no matter where you slice it. No matter how you justify it. No matter what you emphasize. No matter what you gloss over. The numbers don’t lie :). Last season was his best statistacal season. Ever. In nearly a decade. And he only threw 220 a game. Only 23 touchdowns. He was very efficient like all game managers are. He put up a good rating thanks in part to minimal stats. Which isn’t a opinion. The stats, what he produced, are in black and
            white. A game manager.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            So we went from stringent statistical analysis to your subjective non-numbers based opinion? That’s somehow more objective?

            Sure, 220 yards per game and 23 touchdowns in his first year with a new head coach and an entire cast of new pass-catchers.

            Another excerpt from my article:

            “Fourteen quarterbacks threw more touchdowns in 2013, but only five quarterbacks who qualify, with 300 or more attempts, had a 3:1 (or better) touchdown-to-interception ratio. Alex Smith was a proud member of that quintet. Nick Foles is the only other quarterback in the league, with more than 300 passing attempts, to have fewer than 8 interceptions in 2013. According to Sporting Charts, just five quarterbacks had a better rating on the road last season. Smith was also the league’s 7th-rated passer in redzone situations. The numbers are clear — Alex Smith is one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the NFL.”

            Game manager is an overused term that has no standard definition. It’s nothing more than a pejorative used to marginalize a quarterback. It’s of no use to us here.

          • trinity

            I didn’t say it was more objective. I’ve always given my opinion on both his stats and the eye test. You know that. If you want to say putting up nice ratings on very minimal numbers somehow makes him really good, then I respect your opinion even though I find it laughable. As an example, I would rather have a guy who attempted 100 touchdowns and succeeded on 50 of them, then have a guy who attempted 3 touchdowns and succeeded on 2 of them. One of them would only have an “average” 50 percent rating, while the other one would have a “remarkable” 75 percent rating. Hahahahahaha! Now let me reiterate that that was just an example, I know Alex had more than 3 attempts. Lol. But I’m sure you get my drift about his minimal stats.

            Now, who’s to say that the chiefs don’t agree with me that he’s not a franchise quarterback? Tell me, do you watch ESPN first take by any chance?

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Sample size matters. Your example doesn’t establish a baseline. I’ll forget you said that and wait on your real numbers-based objections.

            Let’s not thumb our noses at 23 passing touchdowns. The Super Bowl-winning quarterback only threw 26.

          • trinity

            Forget it all you want, I stand by it firmly. It was only a way of saying I want a guy who is always making plays, as opposed to a guy who puts up a nice rating on a few plays. That opinion is based on his minimal stats, so it’s really simple and based on his numbers actually. Last year was literally the best he’s done. That’s not an opinion, that was the best he has ever done in touchdowns, ypg, and yards overall. Numbers that would make most people outside this forum shrug honestly, because it’s nothing. As for Russel Wilson, I will be glad to give you my take on that comparison in a second. But first, answer my question please. Do you watch ESPN first take?

          • Stacy D. Smith

            It’s not real analysis if there’s no baseline. That was my point. I’m not just trying to be dismissive. We need comparable sample sizes to make these kinds of comparisons.
            You’re right, last season was his BEST. In a year where he spent half of it getting acclimated. That suggests to me, we STILL haven’t seen his best.

          • trinity

            I don’t see what you need a comparison to honestly. No matter. I don’t even think the chiefs are set on him. According to first take, they were about to draft manziel before Cleveland burned them by sliding one spot ahead of them. To me, that speaks volumes obviously. If you want to hear them report that for yourself, just say the word and I will send you a link of that podcast. I’m subscribed to a guy on YouTube who posts them all, so I can tell you want minute to stop on and everything.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            So we’re abandoning statistical analysis altogether. Your eyes are reliable enough, right? Fair enough.

            I know the Chiefs were going to take Manziel. I would’ve done the same. He’s a great talent and would’ve been phenomenal value at 23. That hardly suggests Smith isn’t worth extending. There’s a less settled quarterback situation in Cleveland and Johnny Football isn’t going to start there either in year one.

          • Suzi Conger

            well said, Stacy,,,but there is no reasoning with bash ASmith kool-aid drinkers,..it distorts their vision and impairs reasoning, lol

          • Suzi Conger

            Wrong, as usual :-)

          • micah stephenson

            Don’t forget the DEFENSE set up ASS11 for a lot of those scores. And ASs11′s best game ever was still a loss.

          • Suzi Conger

            post game 7, our D died…very few sacks, pressures, hits in addition to secondary getting burned consistently. The last 6 games, Smith put up an average of 36 points, the most in nfl ; even with Grade D OLIne and Grade D receivers (PFF), while pay-a-ton has the luxury of Grade A OL and Receivers

          • Suzi Conger

            ’12 season = 2-14 with JCharles, Houston, Poe, etc. ’13 season 11-5 + WC with Alex Smith….44PTS vs colts WITHOUT JCharles. DJohnson says, “AlexSmith and AReid are the reason this team broke records and turned-around” That ‘piece of puzzle did just hunky-dory fine without jc ….too bad our D died….again. Seems like 2-14 demonstrates how ‘leader JC’ did without AlexSmith…

          • trinity

            Where we disagree is that I think Andy Reid was more the key than Alex Smith. Remember, we are talking about a guy who it took almost a decade to reach a simple 20 touchdown level. What I think is that win or lose, it will rarely have much to do with smith. I base that opinion on eye test second and his statistics first. I fully admit he had a very nice outing against the Colts. But lets consider the whole picture here. Consistently, he just rarely has much to do with anything. Remember, when he had his most successful season in terms of wins in San Francisco, he did it while only tossing 17 touchdowns in 16 games, on around 200 yards a game. Very subpar numbers, and they are in line with his career. His best statistacal season was last season, and even that got him a negative passing grade per PFF, not to mention a 24 ranking per PFF of all NFL passers, and a spot on the PFF feature entitled “worst players on the best teams”. I think he is a smart, efficient guy who I feel confident won’t fuck up. But I also feel confident saying he will never lead a team, and instead has to be led himself. We will see what happens.

          • Suzi Conger

            And Andy Reid has coveted Alex Smith since Smith’s Ute days…you do know that….don’t you?, lol (apparently NOT). even to the extent Reid routinely contacted SF over the years to attempt to obtain Smith. Whew, good thing Andy Reid knows a heck of a lot more about football than you :-) So by saying that Reid is ‘the key’, you are really saying Alex as well, without even realizing…lol, I luv it!!

            “my eye test”… I adore this! I tell ya, you keep getting intoxicated on your Bash- Smith Kool-Aid; distorts the vision and impairs the brain

            PS…you are wrong about PFF/Alex (among other comments, as usual). Seeing as you still did not supply the requested link, I researched, and found the article that you allude to. Hillarious, you are :-) AS usual, there is a GLARING fallacy with you quoting (mis) ‘facts’ from this particular ‘author’… very amusing., you are . Continue enjoying your Bash Smith Kool-Aid,,, I can see that it is very intoxicating to you

          • trinity

            Lol ok Suzie :). After you made a fool of yourself last time, I don’t take you seriously enough to sit here and debate something that’s fact, like his PFF grade and that article. Because like I said, if you were the real PFF expert you claim yourself to be, you would have already seen his ranking. This isn’t going to be a drawn out debate like we had last time. In fact, I’m not even going to bother to read your response lol. You’re a joke, as I said. Go do yourself a favor, and do some actual research instead of pretending, Because it makes me feel sorry for you honestly. Have fun watching PFF’s 24th ranked quarterback this season :).

          • Suzi Conger

            you are truly hilarious trinity… you don’t seem to comprehend the English language, and definately would fail a “Logical and Critical Thinking” University course. Like I said, I read the article, and foolish you are missing (O, how can that be? lol) an extremely important fact in the article that renders your claim about Smith foolishly worthless. With the OLine that is lined up this season, I fully expect the offense to struggle; poor pass protection and poor time to execute; high probability of injury to any QB (similar to 1st ’13 season-half)….well, shucks…Smith couldn’t perform worse than pay-a-ton in the super bowl, lol. Hope I’m wrong about our ’14 Oline. Thank you for the chuckles… happy kool-aid guzzle-ing :-) PS…if I am ‘foolish’, you rate ‘imbecile’

          • micah stephenson

            It is the most important position. Been saying that forever! So you don’t want just any ol avg guy at that spot. You want a super star. Ass11 is avg and not a super star.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            There are about five superstar quarterbacks in the league. Any suggestions on how we get one of them?

  • Keane Santos

    I don’t understand all the logic and talk behind those not wanting to give Alex a fair deal, he’s proven himself to be a winner in this league and he more than surpassed expectations last year. I’ll admit I was upset when we first traded for him but, after last year’s season and seeing him play on a game to game basis I’m confident in what he can do.

    We can structure it in a way that is fair to Alex while keeping most of the money in the first 2-3 years. No reason we can’t keep Houston next year either.

    • micah stephenson

      Houston is already holding out cus he wants more than the 1.5 mill that he is scheduled to make this yr and Ass11 wants around 18 mill and to b paid as a top ten QB. I’m pissed about the Houston situation. I’d rather extend Houston and play A.Murray or draft a QB.

    • trinity

      I’m actually all for them giving him a fair deal. It’s the definition of “fair” that turns it into a debate. I think Alex Smith is an average quarterback. A nice guy to have under center until you can find an actual franchise quarterback. Because he isn’t that guy. I’ve been hearing he wants top 10 money. Lol that is laughable. They can’t screw themselves by giving him a long term deal.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      The argument is essentially that we should let a Top 12 quarterback, who’s 30-9-1 in his last 40 starts walk, to keep a passrushing outside linebacker unwilling to play out his current contract. Despite having Dee Ford behind Houston and Tyler Bray behind Smith. Color me confused.

      • micah stephenson

        If you don’t stop with this top 12 $h!t! Dude! Cmon!