Apr 25, 2013; New York, NY, USA; NFL commissioner Roger Goodell introduces offensive tackle Eric Fisher (Central Michigan) as the first overall pick to the Kansas City Chiefs during the 2013 NFL Draft at Radio City Music Hall. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

2014 NFL Draft Eve Open Thread


After centuries of waiting, the NFL Draft’s first round will take place tomorrow. And the best part? The Chiefs may not make a pick tomorrow at all. Figures.

The way I see things, the Chiefs could do any of the following things tomorrow and I would not be surprised.

- Trade down from 23 into the second round pick add picks.

- Draft a wide receiver. (One of a billion of them.)

- Draft an offensive lineman.

- Draft a pass rusher.

- Draft a corner.

- Draft a safety.

- Draft a quarterback – specifically Teddy Bridgewater.

- Draft C.J. Mosley.

Any one of those scenarios could happen and I could give you a very reasoned argument about how [insert one of the options here] was a good decision. The needs the Chiefs have in the present and future are many, and it highlights just how amazing of a job Andy Reid and his coaching staff did last year to get the Chiefs to an 11-win season.

As Patrick wrote earlier today, Kansas City is still a work in progress. Even after flipping half of the roster last season, the holes in the Chiefs’ roster were pretty evident by the time the final second ticked off the Chiefs’ playoff collapse in Indianapolis. This is the reality John Dorsey and Reid were facing when taking over a 2-14 team – depth simply isn’t going to be there.

The most crucial part of this weekend is filling in the depth of the roster. Too many roster spots were spent on players who couldn’t contribute or couldn’t contribute very much. This must change next season if Kansas City is going to take the next step. This draft is about finding immediate role players with the upside to become something excellent. If Kansas City has to trade Brandon Flowers or Eric Berry or their first round to get more picks then they should heavily consider it if the right value is there. Turning one very good player into three good players is worth more to the Chiefs right now and in the future.

This is going to be an interesting weekend. What do you think will happen?

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  • Deaudrey Dre-Mac MacDonald

    I still believe that Brandon Flowers gets traded as they trade back into the 29th or 30th spot and picks up and 3rd and a 5th and a 2nd for falling back, so they can pick up a WR, FS, OL, and possibly a quarterback…just my thoughts.

    • Ben Nielsen

      Think there is a high likelihood one of those happens.

    • Michael Tavis

      I have thought Flowers was going to get traded since before free agency. Now is as good a time as any. I also thought Albert would get traded last year so don’t listen to me.

      • Ben Nielsen

        Think Albert was really close to being traded last year. Miami probably screwed themselves in the end.

        • Michael Tavis

          I did some searching to see who the Dolphins took with the second round pick they would of had to give up to get Albert. It was CB Jamar Taylor BSU. He underwent sports hernia surgery in May of 2013. 3 total tackles in 5 games played. Yea, I think they screwed themselves.

          • Ben Nielsen

            They also traded their second 2nd round pick to go up to the three overall spot to take Dion Jordan… who they now may trade.

          • Michael Tavis

            haha. Forgot about that too. I guess they ended up with Albert in the end though so it kind of worked itself out. Lets give our best guesses as to where Flowers goes. Atlanta would be my guess.

          • berttheclock

            Yes, but, it took a new GM to make the deal and he didn’t leave Tampa Bay under the greatest of exits.

          • Ben Nielsen

            Houston.

          • berttheclock

            The irony of that is Oakland took an OT, Merelik Watson, with that 42nd pick. Plus, Lane Johnson the OT went to the Eagles at 4. Now, please, explain to me how the boy Genius John Schneider has hired Jeff Ireland to be anything move than a glorified janitor for the Seahawks. He let Vontae Davis go to the Colts and the CB the Chiefs acquired, last season.

          • berttheclock

            Not to forget the move of the RT Martin to LT and the disaster which followed, ultimately, costing Ireland his job.

  • Ben Nielsen

    It wouldn’t surprise me is Donnie Avery were traded on day three.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      For a lukewarm Coke and a half-eaten hot dog.

      • Ben Nielsen

        That’d be a 7th round pick right? Cause I’d be good with drafting the next Marcus Cooper in the seventh round this year.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          With Dorsey, R7′s are worth more than they ever were in the past. Touche.

  • David E. Bell

    They have a plan. They have players slotted on their board. When they select, it likely won’t be a guy on the boards as others have it. I see it as the DL first and WR second. Down the board are receivers they can choose. They will be taller, able to go up tough route runners. Same deal on CBs. That is why I do think that a Flowers deal may be in the mix and as Perez noted, there were a bunch of Box Corners available in the draft. What do I think? They trade down. Must do so. But in the mix of that, they will get add to the Pass Rush. I can see an OLB added, even an ILB but the DL is where we didn’t get the pressures on the other QB, too many times giving them 5-6 and more seconds to find an open man. I based my thought on this by the defense performance, games 10-16 + Indy.

    I think the Chiefs will find a dependable hands route runner opposite Bowe. For me? He will be tall, tough and a route runner with speed secondary to that. The middle opens, Kelce shines and both Dressler and Jenkins find their roles. Which takes me back to my over all view that Ben first lists — trade down for more picks. Which ever way it goes, and I hope they trade down, looking at the DL if they must use 23 is where I think they will draft first but a WR on their board may likely be the next best player and I think it will be Mathews or Robinson. Ha Ha falls to 23, he is a Chief.

    Stromberg’s piece on that buttressed what I believe myself and it illustrates what I believe is contained in Dorsey’s philosophy and he would stick with it as he said to a reporter.

    • Ben Nielsen

      If Ha Ha or Pryor falls that’d be great. Trading back for Matthews is probably the scenario I rooting for right now.

  • CrispySBC

    I’m surprised no one has talked about Nico Johnson and CJ Moseley playing together, for the Chief’s, after they played together at Bama. I find that a pretty cool “circle of life” moment if it were to happen. I know the Chief’s would love to trade down but would they pass on CJ to do it? What if another stud would fall .. do they pass? I am certain they don’t draft Lee in the 1st rnd. Just way too many drops, after watching some tape of him, for the Chief’s to risk a 1st rnd. pick on him. Cooks … yes, Beckham .. yes, but Lee .. just don’t see it. We’ve got enough speedy guys who can drop an easy pass to draft another in the 1st rnd.
    As a side note, my money’s on Johnny Football going in the 2nd rnd. I just don’t think his skill set translates into an NFL QB … he’s a like Cutler .. a guy who costs GM’s their jobs.

    • ladner morse

      I understand your take on Johnny “Footballs” and GMs… but I’ve also enough heard coaches around the league who make comments that would lead you to believe they see themselves as some kind of “QB-Whisperers” and think they can some how tame or harness the wild beast that IS Manziel the Magnificent. IOW… I’d be shocked if he’s not taken in the first half of the first round.

      • CrispySBC

        Remember Laddie … we’ve just went through the NFL’s version of liar’s poker for the last month. So most the info we’ve read or listened, from teams, is pure BS. I live in Denver and a sports radio show here did their own mock draft … Johnny wasn’t taken in the 1st rnd. Now this isn’t just anyone it was a former Bronco player and he said no way on Johnny. Another thing, they said Blake Bortles was head and shoulders above the other QB’s in this draft. One point that really caught my interest was the DE position. It’s a very deep position, in this draft, and man did they love the players available here. Their Top 5 DE could all contribute day 1 and all were listed as excellent pass rushers. Whatever happens, I’m finally excited about the draft … yeah …. Xmas in Spring.

  • [email protected]

    Wonder if a big name will fall down the boards to us that no one thought would be there at #23?

    • Ben Nielsen

      Agree. If you’re looking to trade down from 23, hope for a quarterback to fall. Is there a big name you’d like to see the Chiefs draft that has a reasonable chance to fall?

  • Stacy D. Smith

    The real dilemma will be if Pryor and Cooks are both there at 23 (slim chance, I know). I’d take Pryor, but that’d be a tough call.

    • berttheclock

      That is the old ’79 quandary of, either, taking Mike Bell for defense or Kellon Winslow for offense.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        If Cooks and Beckham are there together (slim chance), who do you take?

        • berttheclock

          Cooks, but, have you seen all of the latest rumors of how high Beckham may go. Another thing is the ’49er question of how high they will go to move up. I had brought up a long time ago of them moving up to 23, but, more and more reports coming out of the bay saying they may move up into the teens and both Beckham and Cooks are very high on their list. Funny thing is I first really started looking into Cooks due to reading a thread at sfgate three months ago which said the Niners really needed to take Cooks.

    • Chris Tarrants

      That would be tough, but you’re right we would have to take Pryor. It will be interesting to see which big name stud will fall to 23. I bet there are two or three guys that free fall and everybody will be shocked

      • Stacy D. Smith

        I like the idea of trading back, but not at the expense of drafting the guy they like. If Cooks is there, but you get a trade down offer, do you move back 7 spots and lose a chance to take him? That would be the toughest part for me.

        Let’s say they want a wide receiver. If there are three receivers they’re high on, I’d be willing to move back two spots. That guarantees that you’ll have a shot to draft at least one of them no matter what.

        Moving back is only an option if there isn’t a guy there they like. Or if they’ll definitely have a shot to snag who they want after doing so.

        • berttheclock

          I really like having Dorsey in charge of any trade ups or downs. Some of our past trades have not gone well. The year King Carl moved down from 16 to 27 to take Larry Johnson, while Pittsburgh drafted Polomalu at 16, then, with the extra pick given to us, King Carl took Kawika Mitchell and left Anquan Boldin on board.

          Or, the Pioli trade down with Cleveland, where they ended up with Phil Taylor and Pioli took Jon Baldwin

          • Chris Tarrants

            I am not going to wave the Dorsey flag just yet. This is HIS draft to prove what he has learned from his buddies in cheese country. Last years draft can’t be held against him completely because the scouting just wasn’t complete do to him coming over late and have to use a lot of the information that the Pioli hulligons had gathered

          • Deadmeat

            I still have faith in last years draft, can’t account for injuries. Only person that he drafted with an injury record was Davis. They had high hopes for Kelce, which had a fluke injury. Commings might still be great. I really like the way Dorsey thinks. I hated Carl Peterson and Pioli. I feel Dorsey works well with others, the other two didn’t.

        • Chris Tarrants

          I’m not a fan of moving at all this year. It might add an extra pick or two but the talent level in the late first round is what we need right now. I would be alright with us trading a player or two for extra picks and to clear up cap space. Flowers is obviously speculated as being on the block but there are several other guys who could be used to ensure more 2nd or 3rd round picks without having to miss out on a first round talent

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I think only Berry and Flowers could fetch picks that high in a trade.

          • Chris Tarrants

            My thinking was that if Denver took the bait on an injured Ware then we might find somebody looking for a pass rushing beast and get something for Hali

          • Stacy D. Smith

            He’d be tough to move with that cap number.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I’m a fan of trade downs, but not in the top round at the expense of a Cooks or Pryor. They should make a couple Day 2 or Day 3 trades though.

    • Ben Nielsen

      I’d take Pryor without hesitation.

      • berttheclock

        You’re so defensive about it, eh?

        Yeah, 45-44 should be the Mantra.

  • Chris Tarrants

    My prediction is that we take either Jase Amaro if he falls to 23 or we take Cooks. Then Flowers is traded along with our 6th rounder for a 2nd round pick

  • freshmeat62

    I’m hoping they’re able to trade back, but stay in the 1st rd, and then pick up another 3rd rd’er. That’s my pie-in-the-sky dream.

    After reading the tea leaves from FAgncy I think D&R are ready to go w/ what they have in the o-line, safeties, and TE’s, so far as the 1st rd is concerned. After the 1st, it’s wide open. What hasn’t been addressed are WR and front-7 pressure. I’m not sold that Walker is the answer they’re looking for in pressuring the QB. I think D&R worked FAgncy, knowing that those, WR & front-7, were going to be positions of strength in the draft, and the odds were excellent that their BPA, when they draft, would be among those positions.

  • freshmeat62

    I’d like to thank you guy’s at AA for keeping the interest alive for all of this exceedingly long time to the draft. Despite us readers thinking that there was absolutely nothing new that could be written about, well at least I did, somehow, almost everyday, you guys did it, you came up w/ interesting columns.

    Thanks again!!!

    • Patrick Allen

      We wouldn’t have anything to talk about if it wasn’t for our readers. Thanks for hanging in with us. Hope you are still here come mid-July. We’ll need ya!

    • berttheclock

      Hear, Hear

    • berttheclock

      Yeah, without them, would we even know anything about such as some offensive tackle from North Dakota State and the like?

    • Ben Nielsen

      Thanks!

    • berttheclock

      Plus, some young ladies doing some great work on player profiles. I really liked the work Leigh put into her threads.

      • freshmeat62

        Yeah, I did say guys didn’t I. Sorry.

        Thanks to everyone.

    • tm1946

      If you liked this year, you may be past orgasmic next year. Media says the Commish wants move it back further in the month, to force teams to consider more trades and moving to a bigger place to have more fans present during actual draft. Also expanding the number of days the draft will take (no more rounds, just extend the periods between selections).

      I would favor a pick every two minutes and not stoping til alll 7 rounds are complete.

      • berttheclock

        And, to give both LA and Chicago time to go into a fund raising frenzy in order to offer the NFL more money to switch the draft to their cities. Ah, for those golden days of yore with 12 rounds.

        • tm1946

          I favor moving to Atchison KS, Benedictine College. So small not one could find it, those who did could help the local economy, It would be fun to hear the NFL Channel and ESPN complain ad naseum. Owners could get some tax relief on the dollars they would lose getting lost in small town America. win, win.

          • berttheclock

            Why the college? Couldn’t they fit it into those limestone caves under the city? You know the ones where the government stores excess cheese. The Packers might even like it down there.

      • berttheclock

        Just say No to Jerry Jones and his offer of his huge stadium for the event. Of course, Laddie would be at the center of everything.

      • freshmeat62

        I’ve heard that he wants to go to 4 days – I say go back to 2 days. And as for forcing the consideration for more trades, I can’t remember 1 that has happened in this extra 2 weeks this year. I think all he’s doing is pissing people off.

        Impeach Goodell!!!

        • tm1946

          The NFL is the golden goose of pro sports. I fully expect the ownership to try to kill it any years now. Proves I am as old as I feel every morning.

        • berttheclock

          My favorite Dream Sequence moment for tonight would be to see Curly Culp pancake Goodell on the platform.

          • sidibeke

            That’s a great image.

      • CrispySBC

        Move it back further … omg say your just kidding. I couldn’t take more mock drafts … blah, blah, blah. I’m actually starting to like hockey because of the incessant drone of mock’s.

    • CrispySBC

      I agree completely meat … thanks guys … the whole move the draft back a month was a bad decision imo. You’ve all done a great job of keeping it fresh but not excessive in your coverage. A perfect balance … it’s why AA is my first read in the morning.

  • berttheclock

    According to Rappaport, the Donkies are considering moving up in the 1st round to take, either, Mosley or Shazier. U-Hauls may create a major traffic problem this evening.

    • Deadmeat

      When I read your post, I got a text for a Uhaul reservation. Gotta be a good sign for tonight!

  • Patrick Allen

    This is the first draft since 2009 that I am not responsible for all the coverage on AA! Whooo! That means I can actually enjoy the event with you all in the comments.

    • berttheclock

      Not to forget more imbibing back there.

    • Ben Nielsen

      You leave and then a competent GM steps in. Figures.

      I’m talking about the Chiefs, not AA.

      • Patrick Allen

        Yeah but I drafted Stacy, Ladner, Lyle, Nick and Natasha. It isn’t like I left you with nothing.

        • Deadmeat

          That’s a pretty solid draft..:)

          • Ben Nielsen

            Agreed.

        • Ben Nielsen

          I dispute the Natasha claim, but I’m good with the rest.

          (JK Natasha — maybe.)

  • berttheclock

    Now, the latest spin from Pete Prisco, who has the Chiefs taking Jimmy Ward of Northern Illinois at 23. He leaves Jason Verrett to go 24. Now, both are not the big types, but, both have excellent skill sets to be honed by our coaches.

  • micah stephenson

    Do anybody know what flowers makes this yr and how much of it is guaranteed? I’m wondering if his contact demands permit us to trade him?

    • berttheclock

      http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/ has the listing of every NFL contract. Just google Brandon Flowers salary.

      • micah stephenson

        That’s kinda what I thought. I thought reading on here, i seen that it would still cost us 8 mill to cut or trade him, so might as well make him play for that amount.

    • Ben Nielsen

      Trading Flowers would be just like cutting him for us in terms of the salary cap. The team taking on Flowers would only have to pay his salary, not his prorated signing bonus. This is what makes Flowers tradable cap-wise.

      • berttheclock

        Something like $7M dead money, eh?

        However, it does bring up the down side of restructuring deals in that it pushes money down the road which, at some point, has to be dealt with if the player begins to falter. If you read the numbers at spotrac.com, you will see the deferred money from restructuring. I believe there is $1 M in restructuring money this year.

        • Ben Nielsen

          Opens up $3 million in cap space this year. More importantly, opens up $11.5 million for 2015.

  • micah stephenson

    Yall ready for us to draft that RG that will take us to the superbowl? Lol

  • e_racer

    Start with this… I really like Alex Smith, and I believe he has a chance to be a very good QB for the Chiefs for a number of years. His career proficiency has been on the ascent, and he could be a top five to ten if he continues to progress.

    That being said, he is not currently worth anything close to top ten QB pay. In order, the highest paid QBs in the NFL rounded to the closest 100K. Aaron Rodgers $22 M, Matt Ryan 20.7 M, Joe Flacco 20.1 M, Drew Brees 20 M, Peyton Manning 19.2 M, Jay Cutler 18.1 M, Tony Romo 18 M, Matt Stafford 17.7 M, Eli Manning 16.3 M, Philip Rivers 15.3 M, Ben Roethlisberger 14.2 M, Sam Bradford 13 M, Tom Brady 11.4 M, Alex Smith 9.3 M, Carson Palmer 8 M, Matt Schaub 6.8 M. After that, there are a whole series of newer quarterbacks who are under their rookie pay scale. They include: Luck, Newton, Griffin, Tannehill, Locker, Gabbert, Stanton, Ponder, Sanchez, Manuel, Kaepernick, Smith, and the low paid Russell Wilson.

    Alex Smith, based upon production is probably worth $10 – 12 M per season. His agent, Tom Condom, is reportedly asking $17 M per season.

    Alex Smith is 30 years old, and runs the ball. He has not played a full season the majority of his career due to injuries. He is a dynamic player, and a great leader. He is not worth that much money. The Chiefs may have a top QB fall into their laps. Before being beat down by the draft process, Teddy Bridgewater was regarded to be the top QB in the draft. He is not on the same level as Andrew Luck, but he is probably as good of a prospect as RG3, Matt Ryan, or Tannehill. He is perfect for this offense. Last year, Bridgewater would have been a top five drafted player, and may have been the #1 pick in the draft.

    My vote is to rebuild for the future with Teddy Bridgewater, if he happens to fall to the 23rd pick in the draft. The Chiefs have never had the opportunity to draft a QB of this caliber since they screwed up and picked Blackledge over Marino. If this opportunity knocks again, I hope they do the right thing.

    • Ben Nielsen

      I would not be against drafting Teddy Bridgewater whatsoever.

    • micah stephenson

      Hell yea!

  • Bigtexjayhawk

    Thanks AA for allowing me to waste hours and days reading about the Chiefs and the draft. I stumbled across Fanspeak late but still was able to run around 100 mock simulations. The way I see it KC is at a crossroads. Older and overpaid at a few key positions. Cutting ties by either cutting or trading some favorites will have to be done. I say trade Flowers, Hali and Alex Smith. Here is why…..my final mock

    RD 1 Johnny freaking Football. Can you imagine trying to defend him JC Kelce Fasano DBowe?? Marketing Mania!!

    RD 3. Billy Turner OL. Big body can play multiple positions. AR loves him

    RD 4. Antone Exum CB/S. My sleeper this year. Has been injured but top talent.

    RD 5 Kelcy Quarles DT. Size and speed up front to rush the QB.

    RD 6 Marqueston Huff S. Another DB to add to our stable. Big hitter.

    RD 6. John Brown WR. Speedy Gorilla is a John Clayton sleeper.

    If we could get additional picks this year look at WR, OLB. Last year was fun and this draft will be fun to see how needs/best available turns out. If I had to guess I say KC goes DL or OL with Round 1 pick.

    • berttheclock

      The Ravens are very interested in Turner, as well. They love to find talent from the smaller schools.

    • Ben Nielsen

      I don’t know why I’m at ease with this mock. Truly terrified about it.

  • Montez K.

    I just want Pierre Desir.

    • micah stephenson

      Yea I drafted him on madden 25.

  • Michael Shaw

    This thing needs to get started!!!!! GO CHIEFS!!!!!!

  • micah stephenson

    Yes. Watkins fell a spot.

  • micah stephenson

    Uh ooooo. TB passes on QB! :-)

  • micah stephenson

    Yes! Cle passes on qb. Chiefs can get a QB this yr

  • micah stephenson

    Uh ooooooo. Minn also passin on QB. Uh oooooo.