In Defense Of Paying Alex Smith

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Reports have recently surfaced that confirm contract negotiations for an extension have been ongoing between Tom Condon (Alex Smith’s agent) and the Kansas City Chiefs. This news comes as no real surprise. Chiefs brass publicly expressed an interest in getting him extended just days after exiting the NFL playoffs. Clark Hunt, John Dorsey, and Andy Reid have all gushed over Smith’s 2013 performance. There’s a groundswell of support for the nine-year veteran at One Arrowhead Drive, but does that constitute a need to extend his right now? Chiefs Kingdom is divided over the issue.

Some think Alex Smith is approaching his ceiling in the NFL. Others wonder if he’s the man capable of leading the organization to the promised land after more than 40 years in the league’s wilderness. There are those who believe he’ll never be anything more than a game manager. For them, it’s entirely obvious that Smith should play out his contract. We have Scott Pioli and Matt Cassel to thank for that trepidation.

Miami Dolphins v Kansas City Chiefs

Here’s the thing – the situation with Matt Cassel was different. He was extended before he ever played a down for the team. Smith just turned in the best single-season performance of his career as a member of the Chiefs. In 2013, I happen to think he made a case for hanging onto the job for the foreseeable future. The smart play is to offer him an early extension. That should prove to be more cost-effective than taking these negotiations into the new season. If Smith were to lead the team back to the postseason or log another productive season, he’ll hold all of the cards when free agency rolls around. Do the Chiefs really want to have to compete with the rest of the league to retain him?

Smith’s detractors will argue that his limitations on the field trump any potential benefit that could come from an early extension. If you frequent our comment section here at AA, I’m sure you’ve heard all of the objections to Kansas City hitching its red-and-yellow wagon to Alex Smith. Let’s explore the most common reasons why members of the Kingdom oppose the idea of AS11 (as he’s affectionately called in some circles) being a long-term solution for the team.

1. He can’t throw the deep ball.

This is likely the criticism most often leveled upon Smith. I’m not entirely sure it’s baseless. Alex Smith doesn’t have what most would consider a strong NFL arm, but that’s a bit misleading. The ability to throw long effectively isn’t solely dependent upon arm strength. There are a number of inaccurate, rifle-armed quarterbacks who can effortlessly push a ball 50 yards up the field. Many of them do so only to have those passes land in the hands of the opposite team. So just how good is Smith when it comes to the vertical passing game? I’m glad you asked.

According to Pro Football Focus metrics, Alex Smith was 5th in the league in deep ball accuracy. He wasn’t called upon to throw the deep ball very often (a scant 7.7% of the time last season), but that can be attributed to a budding offensive system that needed time to come together. Where he did throw a pass that traveled 20 or more yards down the field, he was efficient. Smith completed 52.9% of those passes in 2013. In this particular category, he finished the year ahead of Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Robert Griffin III, Nick Foles, and Geno Smith. The best deep ball passer in the league was Russell Wilson (who completed 60% of his deep throws).

ASmith

Based on statistical information compiled and analyzed by Sporting Charts, his percentage of air yards was among the lowest in the league. Air yards are defined as the “the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception.” Of Smith’s 3,313 passing yards, only 44.6% of them were through the air. That means that over half of all of his passing yards were actually yards after the catch. He was 3rd in the league in this category.

Before you grab your pitchfork, consider the company Smith was in last year. Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Nick Foles, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, and Andy Dalton all had YAC totals that exceeded 50%. In fact, there are only about 5 percentage points that separate the best and worst quarterbacks of this group.

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  • Roc

    Everyone thought Rich Gannon reached his ceiling too, then he took the Raiders to a superbowl

    • Michael Shaw

      NICE point Roc!!! Don’t think there is a better response to the skepticism of keeping him around!!!!!

  • Lewis Rigor

    Stacy thank you for a spot on article. I know that people like Micha and his twin Trinity will have there rebuttals but as a Alex supporter who dropped my support of the Niners (Thank God). I am pleases to have found a team that has accepted Alex a fan base who rallies behind him and an organization that embodies professionalism, something the miners lost a long time ago,
    Alex will do the team and their fans well. He is one of the last bread of players that play 150% heart and it showed in the playoff game.
    Again thank you Stacy for taking up the sword for Alex

    • Stacy D. Smith

      The mob is coming for me. No good deed goes unpunished.

      • Lewis Rigor

        Hey I will jump into my F/A-18 Hornet and fight them back with you

        • Stacy D. Smith

          You might want to scramble a few other jets while you’re at it.

          • Lewis Rigor

            Roger that got your six bud

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Sorry, Call of Duty never covered that one. I had to look it up. Thanks!

          • Lewis Rigor

            Its all good. So ready to retire and move out there. If happens I am buying you a round my friend

          • berttheclock

            One of the criticisms of Greg Roman is he refuses to add him to the mix on the offensive side. Roman likes to run power football, instead of change of pace. On the Special Teams side was the fact he fumbled two returns. The Niners have so much talent that if one stubs his toe trying to get out of the starting gate with them, such as Jenkins and James, they can get lost in the shuffle quickly. Remember, also, the Niners paid for the rehab of one other RB and he is going to be solid competition on his return. But, a draft choice is far too much, unless, they throw in a package deal to move up from 30 to 23. Yes, he was a second round choice, but, he has never proven himself as a 2 and, as he is compared to a poor man’s Sproles, the gifted and tested Sproles went to the Eagles for only a sixth round pick.

          • Lewis Rigor

            I agree with that. I feel if given the right system aka ours he can flourish like other who came over like AJJ although still early he showed some promise. James I believe can go far in this system just needs a team like the Chiefs to give him a shot just like they did with Alex

          • Lewis Rigor

            On a side note what do you think of the possibility of grabbing James from the niners

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I love his athleticism, but he’s a third-down type of back. Not sure he’s big enough to trust with picking up a blitzing backer on an obvious passing down though. I think you can get a similar guy in the draft with a lower pick than they’d spend in a trade.

            I’m sure Reid would love his speed and explosiveness. That kid can go.
            If they cut him, I’d DEFINITELY bring him in. He’d be a GREAT addition to the return teams. Toub would make him really, really dangerous.

          • Lewis Rigor

            Yeah love the kid. Don’t think Harbaugh used him correctly. I agree if he is cut would be awesome pick up

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Andy Reid would definitely find a way to use him.

          • Lewis Rigor

            Oh heck yes he would. Love his return game in college and if he could bring that into the pros watch out. Now I buy you two rounds if I get out there

    • micah stephenson

      We just keeping Alex long enough to get our long term QB. Then he is history.

      • Lewis Rigor

        Kinda of like you in the minds of true fans. No one is intetested

  • trinity

    I think they should pay Alex Smith what he’s worth. Pay him like he’s a piece of the puzzle, but not like he’s the franchise or leader. I think that’s a fair and accurate description. And I would let him play it out this season. See if he can win in the playoffs, and then take that into consideration.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      If they do that, he’s as good as gone. Justin Houston and Rodney Hudson will both be pending free agents as well.

      • trinity

        In order for him to be gone, he has to have some place to go. Maybe the league loves him now, I can’t be sure. What I am sure of, is what happened the last time he was a free agent. After he had his best year with the 49ers, he was a free agent. They offered him a deal, I believe a little less than 30 million, and said take it or leave it. He balked, because he felt he deserved more. He decided to leave it, and hit the market. Then…….nothing. out of 32 teams, including those who had a need a quarterback at the time, Alex Smith had two calls. One was the Seahawks who ended up going with Matt Flynn, and the other was the Miami dolphins, who let him leave the facility with no offer being extended (something you don’t do for coveted free agents, because if they walk out, you risk losing them to another team. They were willing to take that risk). The dolphins ended up offering him a similar contract that the 49ers put forth, and Alex smartly decided to swallow his pride and stay with the more talented team. He went back and signed that take it or leave it offer, because he didn’t have any other choice.

        Lucky for him, Andy Reid went to KC, and that opened up an opportunity for him. Again, I acknowledge that maybe the attitude on him could have changed, but I would be surprised if it did, since he’s still the same guy now that he was at that point.

        And that guy, in my opinion, is a guy who you can win WITH (if the defense and run game is near perfect), but never a guy you win BECAUSE OF. if the goal is a championship, then I would pay him what he is worth, and not a cent more.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          Only this time, he’ll be on the heels of a Pro Bowl season followed by another productive year under a new coach. I’d almost guarantee he’ll be even more coveted the next time around. I’d only allow negotiations to stretch into the season if I planned to draft a quarterback high. Otherwise, that’s a hell of a gamble. We aren’t going to be in any real position to bid with other teams to keep him.

          • trinity

            I respect your opinion if you think he’s worth the trouble. You know that I think he is not. What kind of money do you think he deserves? Do you think he’s a 15 million a year type guy?

          • Chuck Burrell

            You never stated what you think he is worth

          • trinity

            3 years, 30 million is what I think he’s worth. Similar to the 3/27 mil he has now. A salary that’s not terrible, not great. For a quarterback who’s not terrible, not great. I think that’s fair.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            That’d be a steal. I doubt he’d accept that though. What kind of guarantee?

          • trinity

            He has 9 million guaranteed on his current deal I think. That’ll do, or maybe even less. I just wouldn’t break the bank for the guy.

          • micah stephenson

            That the most I’d offer him too. 10 million a yr. Take it or hit the road.

          • trinity

            Exactly. They absolutely can’t commit to him long term, or they can kiss this window of opportunity goodbye. Do you think any of the top 4 quarterbacks in the draft have a chance of slipping down to you guys? Bortles, manziel, Bridgewater, or Carr. And would you take a QB other than those 4?

          • micah stephenson

            Nope. Top 4 qbs get drafted top ten. Arron Murry is intresting.

          • Chuck Burrell

            He’s worth atleast 12 a year. I don’t want to pay him 15 either but I’d rather have him for two or three more years at 15 than piss poor QB play. Because smith does not play poorly

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I think the extension Schaub got last year in Houston. You simply aren’t going to put the horse back in the barn at this point. The cap’s gone up. Quarterbacks are making much more money these days. I think he’ll get something between $12-15 mil per.

        • niner559

          Have you even seen alex play? He has won plenty of games. He has lost plenty of games when his defense let him down. Just curious to what you base your conclusion on.

          • trinity

            “He has lost plenty of games when his defense let him down”. That’s precisely my point. The quarterback is supposed to be the leader of the team. But winning or losing rarely comes down to Alex Smith. This is JC’s offense. Alex is just the caretaker, and I think he should be paid accordingly.

          • niner559

            Disagree. There was no jc in the playoffs. That was alex’s offense and it was dynamic.

          • trinity

            A dynamic one and done playoffs performance. Aren’t you guys supposed to be past the point of moral victories? He had a great game. But all he proved is that even his very best is not enough when the defense doesn’t close the deal for him. We both know that those numbers are far out of his normal range.

          • jgwindsor

            lott was the leader for the niners more so than montana…he would challenge montana

        • mnelson52

          Actually, with the injuries in that playoff game, Alex put the team on his shoulders to the tune of 44 points

          • trinity

            I’ve already acknowledged that that loss was the best game of his career. The operative word being “career”. As in, there is a full body of work to go by. I’m not going to ignore nearly a decade of work and single out one game as the full story of a player. Lol that is laughable actually. What Alex Smith has proven over a near decade, is that he’s a guy you can win with, but never because of. A guy who makes safe decisions, but has to be carried as opposed to leading, as I’ve already stated. 3 years, 30 million is what I think he’s worth, and not a cent more.

          • jgwindsor

            that N.O. playoff game was pretty special as well…..two come from behind TDs in the last 5 or 6 minutes…..that was a rocking stadium and it was all AS11 threading needles and being that damn leader you say he isn’t

    • Michael Shaw

      Trinity you need to pay attention to the man’s article. He basically told you why letting him playing out this season is a bad move for the team if they want to keep him!!

      • trinity

        ……Michael, I know exactly what the article says. What I’m saying is that I disagree. Understand? Go read the response I just posted to Stacy, and you will see my opinion on the matter in detail.

        • berttheclock

          Yes, isn’t America Great? You even have the right to be obtuse.

          • trinity

            What exactly is obtuse about suggesting someone get paid what they are worth? Oh the horror.

    • micah stephenson

      I’m not against keep him till we draft a high profile playmaking QB high in the draft, but then we would have to extend his contract 152 years!!! Lol.

      • berttheclock

        So, Geno Smith, the “high profile playmaking QB” is coming back for this draft or will he return next year? BTW, be sure to fly down to Austin for their big day where Vince Young is going to sign autographs for only $59 a pop. He is another “high profile play making QB”.

        • micah stephenson

          Why do you keep bring up Geno. You a yr behind. This yr it is Menziel, Bortles, TB, Carr. If they don’t draft one of them, next yr it will b somebody else. I also wanted, Foles, Wilson, Kopernick, but you never mention them.

    • micah stephenson

      I would not give Ass11 any more than what he is making now. I’d offer him a similer deal to what SF did, 3 yr 24 million (but nothing garunteed) so save yo money. I’d also draft QB asap!

      • Calchiefsfan

        Micah, who do you like in this year’s draft. They all seem to have question marks similar to last year’s crop just maybe not as bad. I don’t see a sure thing in the 2014 class.

        • micah stephenson

          I like Menziel, Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr. If one falls to us he should b the best player available.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Bridgewater and Bortles maybe. Manziel and Carr are way too risky at 23 imho.

          • micah stephenson

            Yea waaay to risky, when we could have the best available RG or a midget wr like B.Cooks. lol. Don’t want to draft a QB and miss out on the next T.Jackson, J.Baldwin, G.Dorsey, B Albert, o wait they ain’t on the team anymore anyway.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Or a Weeden, Gabbert, Ponder or Tebow!

          • micah stephenson

            So becuase there have been bust at qb then don’t ever draft a qb becuase he cud b a bust??? There have been bust at every position but I don’t here you saying we should not draft those positions ether. If you say draft a wr, I can rattle of a bunch of bust, do that mean never draft a wr ever again just becus there hav been busts?

        • micah stephenson

          There is no sure thing in any draft, but you will never suceed if you never try. If you do try and fail, well then you keep trying till you get it right.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Agree with that so what’s your feeling on Tyler Bray? He looked good in preseason play. Reid does seem to have a knack for quarterbacks.

            The QBs in this class aren’t worth the risk at 23, especially when we have other pressing needs. Maybe Aaron Murray in the 4th? But then what happens to Daniels or Bray?

          • micah stephenson

            I didn’t see anything from bray to get my hopes up.

          • micah stephenson

            I’d b ok with adding Murray to the team.

          • jgwindsor

            how long should a franchise QB last on a team…..5 years? more?

      • berttheclock

        michah, “Ass you”. I don’t mind your ridiculous comments concerning Alex Smith, but, stop trying to denigrate him every time by using your dispicable “Ass11″

      • trinity

        A deal similar to what he has now is exactly what I’m suggesting. I completely agree with you about drafting a quarterback. The guys who carry this team aren’t getting any younger. It would be a shame to see the organization waste this window of opportunity by committing too much to Alex Smith…………and i think “Ass11″ is epic hahahaha :D. Nice one dude.

      • jgwindsor

        maybe you and the alter ego should list all the starting QBs in the league and apply a price tag to each of them to figure out how you see all QBs price wise

  • Bigjrainey

    The man did nothing but progress through the season. He exploited defensive weakness’s and played to the strengths of our team. His deep percentage would have been even better had it not been for all of the drops from the receivers. I really enjoyed watching the offence come alive in the second half of the season. Give him another option like Cooks, or Beckam and defenses will be terrified. I think we should definitely lock him up now.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      The pace of the last 7 games was impressive. Averaging 2 TD’s per game.
      He exploded in the playoff game.

  • berttheclock

    Vince Ferragamo had one of the strongest arms in the NFL. No one could throw a better long out than he. He lasted a little over two seasons before the Cowboys figured out if they could stop that long throw from being a completion, he would change up and they could intercept him. His career was basically over after that.

    • Michael Shaw

      Who? LOL!

      • berttheclock

        He was the starting QB for the Rams against the Steelers in the Super Bowl in ’79. He had a huge crowd of supporters in LA who kept griping that Pat Haden was too short. So, Haden had his pinky broken against the Seahawks after completing 12 or 13 in a row, and, the “Golden Boy” from Nebraska stepped up to the plate. He almost pulled it off against the Steelers. It was the following season where his problems developed late in the play offs.. My point was, while in LA for almost two years, I heard nothing but, “Oh, Ferragamo has a rifle arm”. So, just having a powerful arm does not make up for flaws such as not being able to read defenses and throwing INTs. Alex Smith may not have that rifle arm, but, he a QB who makes few mistakes.

  • berttheclock

    One great note is John Dorsey didn’t throw a seventh to the Raiders for Terrelle Pryor, who really would muddy the QB waters at Arrowhead. One minute he makes a sensational play, the next his head is on a swivel trying to figure out reads, then, he dumps the planned play, but, can’t come up with a proper audible.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      We have a developmental player in Bray. Hopefully earn a chance to stick around a few years.

    • mnelson52

      Yes 4th and 48 rings a bell

  • Michael Shaw

    Hold on Reach! Micah should be on here shortly to tell you why you are wrong……again!! LOL! Seriously though, good post. Very informative and I honestly didn’t realize he had a better playoff game than everyone not QB’ing the Lombardy holding Seahawks!! Nice read Reach!! GO CHIEFS!!!!!

    • Stacy D. Smith

      He’ll be along any minute now.

      • micah stephenson

        Don’t hate him. Just don’t believe in him.

        • Calchiefsfan

          Keep an open mind that’s all I ask and I’ll do the same. If the O line plays okay then he will have an even better year this year. Is a top 10 QB rating and a couple of playoff wins good enough? Those are my expectations for Smith and the Chiefs for 2014. Of course I’m also relying on the defense to figure out their issues and to me that’s the biggest if.

          • micah stephenson

            A couple of playoff wins and ill b patient for a while.

          • KCMikeG

            Amen. Couldn’t have said it better.

  • tm1946

    Only bad thing is we are loaded for bear at QB. Smith, Daniel, and Bray, all they need is a free agent to throw during pre season and we are done until……. Daniel gets released or Bray stops progressing. No QB for you, in this draft.

  • Tyler Alexander

    I’m a salesman when I’m not reading this fine website and the fact is… you don’t let contracts expire on business you want to keep. The prices always go up and the chance of resigning goes down dramatically in a open market. I love Andy Reid as much as the next guy but the real difference for the teams turnaround last year, in my opinion, was Alex Smith. His game against the Colts in the playoffs was the best post season performance I’ve seen from a KC QB in my life and I’m 39 yrs old so I’ve been around a while. I’m on board.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      I agree. May have been one of the best quarterback performances in a Chiefs uniform period.

    • KCMikeG

      With you 100%. Now imagine AS11 with THREE healthy TE’s and a newly rededicated Bowe, the potential of AJ & Williams – Dressler too. Avery has the wheels just got to get the man some magic stickum gloves. IMO Hemingway is a sleeper with great hands who needs more passes and he’s good on ST’s. Plus we know we will add challenger for a starting role at WR in the draft – maybe even with our #23 pick. This offense is going to put up some points my friends. Only Sutton and the defense can stop us this year. Please Draft DL!!!

      • micah stephenson

        Ok I’m imagining….still imagining….. (yawn) still imagining…still imagi……zzzzzzzz. zzzzzz. Zzzzzz. (Snoring)

        • trinity

          Lol! They could draft someone with the talent of Megatron, what the hell will it matter since Alex can’t take full advantage of that talent?

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Why’s that?

          • trinity

            The Megatron point I made? I meant that to take advantage of a great wide receiver, the quarterback has to be willing to take chances, air it out like Matt Stafford (not that I think he is anywhere near elite). Alex isn’t that guy. He puts up nice ratings thanks in large part to his stats being so minimal. But if he’s your quarterback, you’re going to have to take it easy on him if you’re his coaching staff. Everything else has to go great for him to win, and the guy is simply not going to take a chance.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Funny you should say that. You might want to do a quick comparison between the air yard percentages between Stafford and Smith. There’s exactly 4 percentage points that separate the two. BOTH of them get more than half of their passing yardage from yards after the catch.

            Stafford had a yard per attempt average of 7.3.
            Smith? 6.5.

            Stafford’s able to take advantage of Johnson’s talents. Why couldn’t Smith?

          • trinity

            Because Stafford is more willing to actually do it consistently. For the things that alex brings to the table, flinging the football just isn’t it.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            He’s doing it a bit more often (not a huge difference there), but he’s in a set offense. Smith’s still settling in to his.

          • trinity

            Even despite him settling, as you call it, Smith still had the best year of his career
            In terms of numbers. The problem is that the best year of his career only netted 23 touchdowns and 220 yards per game. If that is fine with you, I respect your opinion. You know my opinion though.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I don’t have a problem with the conclusions you’ve drawn about Smith. My issue is with how you came to them. Look at his numbers over the back half of the season. 14 TD’s and 3 INT’s. His pace picked up considerably after the offense had time to gel and mature. He just had the best season of his career with a brand new team. That suggests to me that he still hasn’t quite reached his ceiling. This is the year to really pay close attention to what Smith can do.

          • trinity

            I understand that he improved, I’m just saying that I’m not impressed with his best. I definitely will be keeping a close eye on this season.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            It’s not just the fact that he improved, it’s how he did it. He improved upon career bests in a season where he needed 9 games to get comfortable and familiar with his offense. What might he do if he comes into a season with comfort and familiarity?

          • trinity

            I don’t really expect much. That’s the thing. There’s been a lot of talk in this forum about his comfort, familiarity, and his settling. It’s almost as if people think he is just now starting his career. I always feel the urge to remind people that Alex Smith is a veteran of nearly a decade. Alex Smith has been around since 2005. It is now 2014. We already know what he can do, and we know what
            Can’t do. It just is what it is at this point. Eli manning, Ben roethlisberger, Phillip rivers all came in one draft before him. Aaron Rogers came in with him. I look at them all the same in terms of time frame, and I think all of them simply are what they are at this point. I think they are beyond the point of showing us drastically different elements than what we know from them. That’s just my opinion.

        • KCMikeG

          You’re such a funny guy. You can’t seriously think that AS11 won’t be better having Kelce & Fasano healthy. The TE position is the most important position in Reid’s passing game and has been AS11′s favorite also. All he had at TE last year was The Beard and he still had his best year yet.

  • micah stephenson

    Kopernick wants 18 mill a yr. How much do yall feel Ass11 should make?

    • trinity

      I think Alex is worth 10 million a year. Similar to what he is making now. Definitely not more.

      • berttheclock

        Jim Carrey and his side kick are taking a break from “D and Der III”

        • trinity

          Lol it’s time for a new insult dude. You’ve used this one too much and it’s doesn’t make me laugh anymore.

          • berttheclock

            As long as you keep coming up with the same stale arguments against Smith and remaining obtuse, I’ll continue to refer to both of you as “Dumb and Dumber”.

          • Calchiefsfan

            Nice come back Bert

          • micah stephenson

            Look at this co signing ass mutha…lol. nice comeback bert.

          • trinity

            Lol by “stale”, you mean “things you don’t want to hear”. There is no way in hell Alex Smith should get 17 million a year. I mean, what??

      • niner559

        There are qbs that are overpaid already, you can’t go back. Alex will get about 14-15 million because that is his worth based on other overpaid qbs. Next year he could demand more.

        • trinity

          There is no way in hell alex smith should get 15 million a year. No way dude

        • niner559

          Worth and getting are 2 different things. He will not get less than 13 mil a season.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Carson Palmer’s scheduled to make $9 million this year. That should tell you everything you know about the median NFL salary for a quarterback.

        • trinity

          17 million a year for Alex Smith is simply absurd in my opinion. I see your point about Carson.

        • micah stephenson

          Palmer and Smith have about the same skill level.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Only one of them plays MUCH better football.

          • micah stephenson

            By the time Alex is the age palmer is his gamw will b about where palmers is

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but okay.

    • Calchiefsfan

      At least as much as Kaepernick, the guy is over rated.

      • KCMikeG

        Time and again I hear SF fans saying we got the better end of that deal. Kap has issues and Alex is on the rise! Hear that? ……..It’s the Silence of the doubters.

        • trinity

          Of course kap has some issues, he’s new and in development. And Alex isn’t on the rise. And he isn’t on the decline. He’s just steady, even, safe, Alex Smith. Win or lose, it won’t be much to do with him, so what are you saying exactly?

          • jgwindsor

            he is 27 and been in the system going on 4 years now

          • trinity

            He’s only been starting since 2012, has been to the superbowl and NFC championship, and has shown flashes of brilliance. And he’s also made mistakes, and needs to work on some things. He’s off to a hell of a start, and he’s only going to get better. Alex has Been at it since 2005. It’s 2014. He is what he is, and he isn’t what he isn’t.

          • jgwindsor

            your ceiling jargon is just an opinion…AS11 has shown some flashes of brillance as well vs just being able to outrun some other athletes…Kap has been riding the coattails of a niner defense and special teams…he has not demonstrated any leadership abilities….

            admitting kap has issues does not make the opinion balanced …. kap’s first half of year was a surprise to defenses and he was able to run a muck and the next year he was able to continue in this mode.

            Kap is not playing at a high read defenses QB level, he is playing at a high level of competence running a TE run powered offense. AS11 has shown you drew breeze-like capabilities.

          • trinity

            ……of course it’s an opinion lol, are we not trading opinions? My opinion is that I like enough things I see from kaepernick to keep me optimistic even in the face of his negatives. Simple as that. We will see where he is after year 5, and I think he will be great.

            Second, drew brees like capabilities???? What??? Hahahahahahahahaha. Dude, please explain. What?

          • jgwindsor

            he out drew brees in brees own playoff game….you are opinionated i will give u that……. he even picked up that defense that couldn’t hold brees….so there is you example…plus he has had games like this against a good houston team, seattle, pittsburg and on and on….i just think you are myopic in your football world

          • trinity

            Drew brees is the unquestioned leader of his team, he is one of the most prolific passers in the history of the league, he has FOUR, count them, FOUR 5000 yard passing seasons and is a superbowl champion.

            Alex Smith is a guy who, in nearly a decade, has never passed for 4000 yards, has never thrown for more than 23 touchdowns in a season, has never eclipsed 220 yards per game, and has never been to a superbowl. So can we stop with that nonsense?

            Alex Smith is a guy who put up some high ratings thanks in part to minimal stats. He has a good head on his shoulders, but he plays not to lose. The famous captain checkdown, and his stats reflect that.

          • micah stephenson

            Where have you been at all my life. Lol

          • trinity

            Hahahaha ;D. The absurdity of Alex Smith fans has brought us together lol.

          • micah stephenson

            Tell em girl! Trini they just have low standards around here. so typical for our fans to b ok with a qb like smith.

          • trinity

            You know, that’s what I was thinking. Things have been bad for so long around arrowhead, that average quarterback play looks amazing to these guys. It’s nice to see someone who is steeped in reality lol :). I can’t wait to see what they pay Alex. Or Ass11 as you call him lmao :D

          • KCMikeG

            What exactly are you saying? AS11 had his best year ever (most yards, TD’s with a TD to Int ratio of over 3:1 in his first year in Reid’s offense with a TE (most important part of Reid’s passing offense) picked up off waivers a week before the season. Please explain how that’s not on the rise.

          • trinity

            Because last year’s “best year ever” only saw him put up 220 yards per game and 23 touchdowns. Even if you want to call that a rise, it’s still subpar

          • KCMikeG

            I din’t say he had a monster year or lead the NFL. You said “And Alex isn’t on the rise.” I provided the facts that last year was a rising year in numerous categories for AS11. Then I said – “Please explain how that’s not on the rise.”

          • trinity

            Consider this: Eli manning led the league in interceptions last year with an awful 27. So lets say this year, he finishes the year with 21 interceptions. Those are better results, so he would be “on the rise”. Guess what though? 21 interceptions is still horrible lol.

            So seeing as how the “rise” wouldn’t take
            Him anywhere good, it makes more sense to say “he didn’t suck as bad as he did last year”. When Alex Smith actually puts up numbers that are respectable, I will acknowledge he’s on the rise. But “rising” up to 23 touchdowns after nearly a decade in the league says more bad things about him than good things. If I were you, I would leave Alex’s stats out of the argument when I’m trying to say he’s a good QB lol.

          • KCMikeG

            Excellent choice in Eli. He exemplifies my point exactly. What you don’t seem to realize is that Alex hasn’t been awful like Eli. Yes – Eli has won SB’s but he also hasn’t been in the playoffs since 2011. He has only led his team to the playoffs once in the last five seasons. While Alex has lead his team there 2.5 years of the last 2.5 years. By the way Eli only had 18 TD’s last year to go with those 27 INT’s. His completion %, yards, TD’s have all been on the decline since 2011. I totally agree Eli throwing only 21 INT’s next year would be “not sucking as bad”.

            Rising is exemplified by, after a horrible start to his career, Alex has been a ST’s fumbles away from the Super Bowl in 2011, followed by being the the most accurate QB in the NFL on a playoff bound team in 2012 before being knocked out, to in his first year in a 100% new situation with an off the street TE and Bowe a no show and a MASH unit of an OL and he still (with Charles of course – not saying on his own) gets us to the playoffs and did way beyond his fair share towards winning our first playoff game (without Charles) in 20 years while having the best year of his career, That is rising. End of case.

          • trinity

            No, he hasn’t been “awful” like eli. He will also never have the successes of Eli lol. He’s just Alex Smith, the caretaker. He isn’t “leading” anything at all, and that’s the point. If he actually puts up numbers that aren’t minimal, I will acknowledge a rise. Until then. His stats didn’t suck as much as last year. That’s it.

        • micah stephenson

          Out of hundreads of thousands of fans, I’ve only herd mayby 3 or 4 of them say that. I even seen Ass11′s momma wearing a Kopernick jersey. Lol.

    • niner559

      Kap wants 18 million and he will more than likely get it. Does he deserve it is a question that can only truly be answered by his coaching staff that sees his development everyday. People forget how difficult it is to find and develop your own qb. When you have a qb like alex, you can’t overlook the value he brings. Next year he can very well be a top 5-10 qb. Considering he led the league in 2012, that’s really no stretch. Then what kind of money will his worth be. It’s crazy hearing some “fans” say let alex hit the road? Like there is a better option? SMH.

      • trinity

        …….a top 5-10 quarterback? How? Tell me how.

        • niner559

          He is a qb that is on the rise in his career. Entering his second year in the same offense, he will more than likely take another huge jump just like the jump he took in the second half of the season. Just look what he did in 2012. Pretty much the same scenario. At time of injury: 1st in completions 70.2 – 3rd in qbr 104.1. Clearly you have already made up your mind on alex, but what does a top 5-10 qb look like? Is it based on just stats?

          • trinity

            Stats play a part, but it’s also to do with leadership, and that’s the thing. Alex Smith is not the leader of his team.

  • Calchiefsfan

    Agree 100% Stacey. If Smith has another solid year, which the odds are he will, then the Chiefs would be wise to lock him up now. Smith had his best year ever while still trying to learn Reid’s system, behind a developing O line and with a WR corp that was average at best and poor TE play. I’m not so sure about the O line this year but everything else should be improved. That will be four straight years of good QB play by Smith with solid improvement every year. He will be a hot commodity if he’s allowed to hit the open market, unlike 2011 when he only had one good year under his belt. Big difference.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      HUGE difference.

  • d-block

    Excellent write up!

  • micah stephenson

    This Bum wants 17 mill and wants top ten QB money! Get the beep out of here!!!! Draft a QB! He will cost 25% of what Ass11 wants.

    • niner559

      Then back to mediocrity you go. Come on micah, wanting and getting are 2 different things. That’s why it’s called negotiations.

    • mnelson52

      And would only do 25% of what Alex will do

    • Calchiefsfan

      Troll grenade take cover!

    • Josh Landers

      We picked up a qb last year. And said qb would’ve been drafted sometime on day 2 had he not said he would be ok playing as a backup in the nfl. Which I think was taken way out of context. Watch this. I would be happy playing as a backup in the nfl. What’s the difference? That being said, the proof is right above these comments on why we should hang on to smith. Geno smith is the bum. I think you got the wrong guy, Micah. Smith will show you why he needs an extension this year.

      • micah stephenson

        Who is Geno. You are a yr behind. I’m on to this yrs QBs.

        • berttheclock

          Yeah, and you mentioned Wilson being one of the QBs you wanted in the past. However, which is it, micah, Wilson or your “cuz” Stephenson? You can’t have it both ways. When I mentioned what some coaches of the Chiefs said about Stephenson needing a year or two in the weight room, you went nutzo. Now, you say you wanted Wilson. Typical both sides of your bloated mouth, micah. All you ever want to do is move the goal posts during a discussion.

          • micah stephenson

            You know I always want a QB. And I had no ideal Donald would b drafted that high. Never said who I wanted over who and when I wanted them or what not. No the goal post are pretty steady at me wanting QB. You can get OTs any place any time.

    • trinity

      Yeah, 17 million is crazy for what he brings to the table lol.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      That report never said that Smith was asking for $17 million.

      • micah stephenson

        Are you sure? I just read that he wants 14-17 mill a yr.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          What’s your source? If it’s the PFT article, it doesn’t say that’s what Smith is asking for. They’re just speculating about where they think the number line will be.

          • micah stephenson

            I read something on Arrowhead addict by Ben this morning.

  • Daniel Mayfield

    IMO, I would try to hold out a few games. See what he can handle with a, pretty much, brand new OL.
    I don’t know how his agent, or he, will like that idea. They might want an extension ASAP, before season starts, so he knows he already has big numbers in $$ instead of big numbers through the season.

    • Josh Landers

      4 of these “new” linemen started at least 7 games last year. And while we’re talking about proving himself with a weak offensive line, maybe Denver should’ve waited til after their line got manhandled by the Seahawks for 4 quarters til they signed manning. You know. See how he handled pressure.

      • Daniel Mayfield

        Is there a reason for being so mouthy? OMG, drink some coffee and step outside smoke a couple cigs before jumping down my throat.
        I know Smith is a great QB for the team, but losing Albert(who missed a few games) and Asamoah. That’s 2 key players on the line that MIGHT, and I did say might, make it a little rough on him since they aren’t there. I don’t know if Dexter will make it harder since he’s not zipping across the the field so fast for Smith to make a drop off pass.
        I know Fisher, Hudson, and Stephenson are still there and have time to improve….Fisher going back to his ⭐️ position in college should already be an improvement for him. I believe they still have some players that can cover for Smith and do some good blocking.
        This had nothing to do with what happened to Manning and his line at the Super Bowl when they were crushed by the Seattle. But if you wanna put it that way….do you wanna see KC get ruined like that in 2014? I don’t. And…..I DON’T THINK THEY WILL.

        My point is….maybe Smith is worried about it happening. Then they MIGHT, and I did say might, want somebody who can do better….a younger, faster guy that can target better while he’s still running. Do you get what I’m getting at now?

        • Josh Landers

          My bad lol. I had just read one of Micah’s comments. I understand where you’re coming from but no qb can play behind a poor o-line. You see what happened to Eli and Big Ben last year. As11 showed last year while Jeff Allen was getting his butt handed to him on a regular basis that he can escape pressure. He was top 5 in the league in qb rating under pressure if I’m not mistaken. I’m just saying that smith is a baller and we would be wise to lock him up as soon as possible. A contract like Bowes where we could save a lot of money by cutting him in 2 years seems like a great idea. That way if he gets injured or starts playing poorly we can get out of it without too much dead money. I just don’t know why we’d wait.

          • Daniel Mayfield

            Cut Bowe in 2 yrs? Maybe if he’s got a few fingers cut off….he’s the best WR for the team but we aren’t going that way right now.

            The way I see it, they aren’t doing it yet because they don’t have the $$. Maybe we’ll see it after the draft. Like I was saying, I just hope he can hold his ground in 2014…..maybe improve. Start throwing while he’s on the run but keep playing smart. Don’t wanna start with a bunch of turnovers….had that problem with Casstle.

          • Josh Landers

            I’m certainly not suggesting we cut bowe. His contract is structured so that in a couple of years we can cut him or trade him if we need to and it won’t hurt us too badly. I expect much better things from the show this year. I saw him addressing the media the other day and he said he was working with a nutritionist and personal trainer for tye first time in his career. He looks great right now. I’m just saying that the same type of contract would be good for smith.

          • micah stephenson

            Huh? Wats my comments got to do with this? Lol

          • Josh Landers

            I was making a joke. Lol.

  • KCMikeG

    Thanks for keeping it real Stacy. Smith did nothing but get better and better as Andy opened up the playbook last year. We haven’t seen the best of AS11 yet! I think Jenkins and Williams are here because Alex wanted them here for a reason. He knows them better than anyone and if he didn’t think they would help him to succeed then I seriously doubt Dorsey would have brought them both in from SF. Method to the madness? We shall see!

    • jgwindsor

      except kyle kept AS11 from going to the superbowl

      • KCMikeG

        True – twice in one game. And as much as that sucks what does it say about Alex still wanting him here? I think it says he thinks the kid has the talent to help him win otherwise why would he be here?

  • berttheclock

    It does not matter what any fan thinks about the proper pay for Alex Smith. What really matters is what Tom Condon thinks, as he represents Alex Smith. Condon is P Mannings rep, also. He, also, was the one who made Ryan of Atlanta a very wealthy QB.

  • Bigtexjayhawk

    Pay the man. Then call Jerry Jones and offer up Chase Daniel for their 3rd rounder. He can market Chases homecoming (Southlake Carrol) and as soon as Romo hurts his back again they will have a long term solution. Bray can be serviceable or draft Boyd or Murray late. If somehow a QB falls in rd 1 that is a possibility. I see this year as a year to try to cut or trade some vets and get younger and faster.

  • e_racer

    Does Alex Smith want to remain in KC or is this just a step stone to the next deal? If Smith is asking $18 to $20 M per season, then it may indicate he is not serious about remaining here. I believe Smith is worth in excess of $10 M per season. He is underrated as a QB. However, the Chiefs cannot afford to chase after him with money in the neighborhood of what Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning command. He is just not in that tier right now.

    If Alex Smith wishes to do a 3 year contract of $30M, he may be able to earn the larger income that goes only to the top five guys in the league.