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Kansas City Chiefs: Building for Greatness vs Champions Now (Part 1)


This is going to be a two part post. One because I have a lot to say about the recent free agency pickups made by the other teams in our division. Two because I want to present two sides to the debate of building a team or putting together a “Dream Team” to make a push at the prize.

Let me first start off by saying I love and hate free agency. First off, free agency is a chance for teams to really build for the next season by signing players that will not only help for the next year, but lay a great foundation for the future as well. I also hate free agency. I hate it because it really is a contest of who as the most money and players that may fit better in a better system, negate that for a chance at a big paycheck.

That being said teams such as the Denver Broncos who go out and court good players, but also throw that money into equation make me mad. Not just because they are the Broncos, but because of what they are doing.

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They are seemingly going out to buy a championship. They feel that by offering players who may be past their prime, or are not worth the money the cash to come play just to try to reach the Superbowl. (Since that worked so well the last time. 43-8! are you kidding me!)

Now all the Donkey fans who might troll on this site will go about saying how, “At least we made it!”. Well that is well and good but I would rather lose the game in a nail biter, than see myself get literally destroyed on national TV, and yes Peyton that is embarrassing.

Ok back from the rant.

I want to present this first part in the style of the “Win Now!” mentality. I fully understand the thinking of teams like the Broncos. You have an aging, but effective quarterback so why not go out and get the best player at a position and pay him a huge amount. It is because they had a legitimate shot at going back to the show. Let’s not fool ourselves into thinking Denver is not as good as they are, because it is true. They straight up know how to beat teams. If you look at their weakness from last year it was their defense. So why not go out and get players like TJ Ward and Demarcus Ware to help fortify that defense. But the difference between what they are doing an other teams in when Manning finally leaves town they will be stuck in some of that guarantee money, for overrated players, and it will turn back to their offense that is coming up short.

However, even with that thinking, if they can put together their “Dream Team” of sorts and come away with the ring then who is to say that this is a bad type of dealing. So while I do not agree with trying to buy a championship, I do understand the reasoning behind it. So for those teams that go out and break open the money bags I wish you all the luck, unless your in the AFC West then I hope you fall on your faces.

Next week I will talk about building a team for the long haul and how I feel that it it a better system than trying to buy your championship.

I want to hear from the addicts, what do you think the the best way teams can go into free agency sound off below and lets get this discussion started.

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  • Alan Morrison

    Good post. I agree with you. I would prefer to have a team built from youth who can challenge year in year out a la patriots of the noughties and 49ers of the 90s than have one maybe two years of an ever changing unit that you don’t get time for the name to properly dry on the back of the shirt before they are off to another team. What I will say is that I would rather the team throwing all the money about came from any other division than ours. That’s the reason we as chiefs fans are desperate for this to work. So I would imagine most of the fans who are craving a team who can challenge are doing so not out of lack of understanding that we are building for the future but more the fact the team who are buying everyone are our biggest rivals……..

    I can be patient and let Dorsey and Reid do their bit.. Let’s hope they can be prudent and draft well to help us get there.

    • loanplus1

      I can agree with building from the draft and younger players, BUT what about the talent we have now JC, Berry, Houston, Hali…ect. How much longer do we have these guys before we lose them to FA or just lost production? We could be building through the draft for 12 years and still not get anywhere. Look we went from 2 and 12 to 11 and 5 because of FA and a trade last year. Really what do you think CHIEFS fans? Also how the hell has Denver been able to get under the CAP with all these signings and Manning for $112?

      • Alan Morrison

        Really though who did we pick up in free agency last year! No one that had a major impact on the team! I like the way things are going!

        • jacati

          Umm. I believe his name is Alex Smith. You know, The fella that is decidedly un-Matt casselish. If that’s not a major impact then I’m not sure what is.

          • Kody Latham

            He was not a free agent it was a trade

          • Canad-Ian

            he said free agency

          • Alan Morrison

            Alex smith was picked up on a trade not as a free agent dude

          • jacati

            oops. slipped my mind. you are correct

          • Alan Morrison

            Cool! I am a massive smith fan I really think he is the man for the job! But when it comes to free agency we are always very cautious and tend not to go crazy in than market! I just think this time there is a difference with Reid and Dorsey at the helm! They are very assured and I look forward to them being here for many years

  • mnelson52

    I agree in building for the long haul. I also know for Denver, they have a very small window in which to win with Manning. I think they know they are taking a step or two back when he retires. Right now is their best chance to win one in this decade. If KC can get the right pieces together on defense to slow him down, I feel we can score enough to beat them.

  • Tristian

    Broncos overrated already. At seasons end itll be more excuses for why they once again didn’t win it. The chiefs look like they will and I hate this saying “sneak up on ppl” again this year. Still alot of off season left. Lets enjoy watching this team improve. Btw Desean Jackson is being shopped apparently for a 3rd round pick. What are you guys thoughts on this? I think itd be worth it to get a 27 year old in his prime explosive deep threat who is under contract for at least 3 more years. Go chiefs!

    • tm1946

      Would only suggest one thing, the Chiefs are not going to sneak up on anyone this year. Reid is a know product, Charles is a known product, add a draftee who can play now, will be know product by the 3rd game. I say the Chiefs were pretty good last year and, at least in theory, better this year….. believe the rest if the NFL might be well aware of it by now.

      • Tristian

        I say that because of our schedule and our rank in the division. You think anyone will really pick us second? No we will be behind S.D. and Denver. Which if you finish 3rd in most divisions you don’t make the postseason. So im saying most pundits will pick us to not make the playoffs. If we make it we will shock the world yet again

    • Andy

      After the bye week, we did not sneak up on anyone. My only hope is it was the players and not the D coordinator. We can get players, but if the adjustments aren’t made…
      I’m sorry, but we are not close. We are good, not yet the upper tier. We need OL, LB, WR, and of course safety. Not to mention some depth.I trust Dorsey and Reid to build us a solid team for years to come.

  • tm1946

    Building for the long haul is a great idea, if your plan has a time limit on it. If you are always building for the future, you just get old and have to build for the future all over again. Suspect that is what Denver seems to be doing this off season. Manning only has so many years left, Denver is trying to win a superbowl while he is still viable.
    It is to early In DorseyReid era for the Chiefs to even attempt it. But a little honesty would be nice. We are not going to the next superbowl, but Charles, Smith, Bowe, Hali, DJ are not getting younger. At some point in time the Chiefs will have to do what Denver did this year…..spent it all for a 2 year window. Only worry for me is our years look to be 2016 and later, lot of good players can come and go by then.

  • Stan Colbert

    The situation I see is: last year we had one of the easiest schedules in the league. We had a 14 pt. lead on Denver for possible division, & 28 pt. lead on Indy for playoff win. We were very close!
    We lost FA which solidified our o-line, as next year’s schedule gets significantly stronger! So we have a set back because Den. spends a bunch of money to go to another Super Bowl! Next year the variables leading to this year’s FA experience will exist again. Isn’t Houston a FA next year? If you were his agent would you want him sign extension? What about Berry? Poe? Hali & D. Johnson are 30+.

    I hope we have some great drafts!

  • CrispySBC

    I agree with building from the draft and using FA to fill holes. I feel alone in thinking the Chief’s are just fine and the Donk’s are not gong to run away with the division. We have a solid group of core players and with the addition of Alex Smith we’re now a serious contender for the SB. The only FA signing I was upset about was losing Geoff Schwartz. I was hoping we sign him and solidify the right side of our O-line. However, in R&D opinions he wasn’t worth the money he was asking. I certainly think they know a heck of a lot more than I do. My one serious concern is whether our 2013 draft class is any good or not. Fish will develop fine but what about the rest of the players? Kelce, Catapano and Commings all have important roles to play and we have no idea if they can handle it or not. I just hope it wasn’t a wasted draft but only time will tell.

    • Andy

      I am a glass half full type of guy, but I think the Broncos will easily win the division and probably get the number one seed (barring injury to Manning) I don’t see any team in the afc that is as good, right now. I also think only one afc west team will make the playoffs with the brutal schedules we all have.

      • Jim Harper

        Don’t be so quick to throw in the towel!

      • Rich Cooper

        Everybody does realize that but for 2 teams (Ravens and Patriots) the donks played the same schedule we played last year aside from each other. Essentially, the donks accumulated that awesome record against the same weak asked schedule we were and continue to be bashed about. We may have had breaks in our favor but still the same teams on the schedules.

    • Rich Cooper

      When i think of building a long term strategy i think steelers. If this is the model oue beloved Chiefs are using I’m thrilled. Just hope fans and owners have the patience and foresight the allow this system to come to fruition all the way to our first super bowl of the post merger era.

      • Rob Ross

        The Chiefs have been in two super bowls and have won one since the merger. Although it hase been over 40 years since.

        • Rich Cooper

          Technically yes. I am aware. However, most still didn’t take the AFL seriously even after Super Bowl III. Jets win was a fluke was the prevailing opinion. Then the Chiefs won against a heavily favored Vikings team. Combined with Jets win the AFL/AFC had emerged as equal to the NFL/NFC. Those early Super Bowls although after the merger were still a part of the merger era in the eyes of many if not most. They certainly are in mine as I was alive to see and experience it. Although I will give it to you as a matter of perspective. Though it is much harder to argue Super Bowl I is not a direct connection to the merger as the first combined league title. Somehow convinced my college English professor to let me right about it. Best research project ever.

    • jimfromkcj

      Crispy, I seriously doubt that they know any more than you do. The results so far indicate otherwise. I have never liked the way that Clark went about getting Pioli and now Dorsey. I decided to keep quite until they had a draft and FA. Now I feel justified in giving my take on how things are. And they aren’t good and no sign they are going to get better. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have another big shake up after this coming season.

      • Jason J Morrison

        I understand everyone is entitled to their opinions here but just a quick thought on what you have commented. Just so that I understand what you are getting at, you do not feel that Dorsey and Reid are not doing the right things as far as the draft and free agancy? this blows my mind.

        reason 1) since they got here we have 70% new roster, we have a very solid core on defense and a couple core guys on offense, they brought in Alex Smith who had stumbled in the beginning of his career but as of the last 3 seasons he has only been getting better. so would you rather KC have drafted a QB who may struggle for a few seasons and may end up just being average? or would you at least approve of the Alex Smith plan of a veteran player who knows what they are doing, can protect the ball, and can teach the successor? Now yes i would love for KC to draft a QB and learn from Smith (like Bray is doing) Or maybe even some star QB like Luck, Russell etc. but the likely hood that we have a chance at getting a player of that caliber is very slim.

        reason 2) Cooper. he was not drafted by us but was not a FA signing either, he was found in the waiver scrapyard. I know he struggled later in the season but was damn good before the by week. he is directly responsible for disrupting passes in the end-zone a number of times which to me he kept their points off the board by himself.

        reason 3) Yes i understand we have to either restructure or cut within the next season or two because a lot of our core guys are coming up on contract years like Berry, Houston, Hali, Johnson, Charles, and a few other very important contributors to the team so why spend the big money for all of these free agents to fill holes that we have when we already have players that can step in. And if we were to bring in these big named players that demanded a lot of money we would have to let some of our core guys go because we would not be able to pat them because of who we pick up in FA.

        reason 4) Weston Dressler, I know that he is not a proven wide receiver in the NFL and that he is small and a lot of people believe that he wont last a full season because of his size. However, I would like to point out that he is an accomplished receiver with-in the sport of football and i am very excited to see what he can bring to this team. I like the fact that Dorsey is not just limited to looking at football prospects coming out of college and instead he is willing to find and try out players from other avenues as well like Basketball players as tight ends, and Canadian Football players to try to make it.

        I am not bashing but hopefully making a descent point about how we as fans should trust that Dorsey knows what he is doing, and that he can get us to the superbowl but its not going to be over night. Last season was a lot of fun for us fans and i hope that this year we can go out and prove that we are going to be contenders for the foreseeable future with the schedule that we have this year.

        • Rich Cooper

          Pretty good reasoning in 1-3. No. 4 remains to be seen. Your 3rd point is the biggest deal to me. Hopefully not going out and over paying some marginal players will make the upcoming contracts more feasible. We may not be able to keep everyone, but we need to have every available penny to attempt to do so.

  • preston riley

    it depends. Denver has Manning now – not for the next 5-7 yrs, but now. They are running an offense that no one else is really going to be able to run once Manning leaves. Look what happened to Colts when he sat out a season. Denver has to go for broke now or there is really no point in having Manning.

    The Chiefs on the other hand can be a little smarter. if they have a chance to get “win now” players they should, but they can be more careful about it and instead keep eye focused on building a winning team for years to come

    • KCMikeG

      No point in having Manning? Don’t forget the total humiliation in front of the largest audience in history. They will always have that!

  • Chris

    remember when philly went out and got everyone ?????????????????? how did that work for them??????????

    • jimfromkcj

      Chris, are you suggesting that because something didn’t work for Reid, that it can’t work for anyone else. This is the NFL, there are no certainties in anything. New records are set almost every year and offences and defences are changed constantly as each one tries to get an edge on the other. I have been a football fan since the 40′s and I have seen constant change and I expect that to continue. What works this year may not work next year and yet with a little tweaking it just might. So never say never when it comes to the NFL.

      • Chris

        jim not saying it isnt possible, but dream teams arent bought they are built from teamwork, so it just depends on how well the team meshes

  • micah stephenson

    I feel like the team is doing a great job right now. Lets go over the starters starting with the defense. Devito, Poe, Walker, A.Bailey on the Dline. We cool there. The big 3 at lb and Mays and Nico.J will b the fourth and fifth guy. I would love free agent Shawn Phillips added to the group. The Dbs. Berry and Abdullah(who is an upgrade over Lewis) will play the safety spots. I would like to see FS C.Clemons added but we will live with out him. We still have Sanders Cummings who can b rotated in at safety or CB. We good at safety. Cbs. Flowers, Smith, Cooper, and I hope Ron Parker is still on the team. This is where I would love to add a rookie or free agent or both. I want to add more good CBs added to the team. You can never have enough good CBs. On to the offense. The QB. He is ok. Nothing special but its what we got. RB. Cool with JC and Davis. TE. I’m not a big fan of Fasano or Mcgraf. Hopefully Kelce is good. Seems like it might take him a while to get right comming off a injury and basically he still kinda a rookie. I think we need a New TE. The wrs. I like bowe. I didn’t like the signing of Avery cus I felt he dropped too many balls and that’s what he did. Baldwin was spose to b the #2 not Avery. We need #2 wr and move Avery to the slot with Jenkins. I also would draft a wr becuase Bowe and Avery will b 30 yrs old. I guess Hemmingway and Dressler will get a chance to play. Not impressed at our wr group. Fish and Steph will play LT/RT. Allen and Hudson in the middle. And we had two young guards and Kush that can step up and play guard. So I think we need WR, TE, CB, pass rush depth, QBOTF, and mayby a guard. That’s not that much. I would draft a QB 1st rd, WR 3rd rd, TE 4th rd, CB 5th rd, OLb 6th rd, guard 7th rd.

    • jeffromac23

      Micah do you really think we spend a first and second rounder on a quarterback this year? If so you are living s fantasy life. We al know you want the Chiefs to draft a QBOTF now but it is not realistic to do so this year. I suggest you sit back and relax Tyler Bray looked pretty good last preseason and with proper coaching could be our QBTOF so just sit bac relax and trust I R&D.

      • micah stephenson

        No I don’t. Its what “I” would do. I don’t expect them to do it. Tyler Bray looked good by who’s standards? Uh I don’t trust them. I feel I can do better.

      • micah stephenson

        I don’t think we would spend a 1st rounder on a QB any yr ever!

    • KCMikeG

      No way we go QB #1 this year without a #2 and being set there for a few years. Besides we don’t have to draft a QB #1 when we can get a diamond in the rough in Tahj Boyd at #6. He would have been a #1 pick last year but the depth at QB is our gain. Bray will be given a chance to compete so may the best man win. I think Catapano (as does Dorsey) & Bailey will develop nicely this year so I’m not as concerned about DE as I have been. I think Hemingway will surprise everyone at WR. We still have Jenkins & Dressler to compete for the slot and Avery will be better as our #3/#4 WR. My focus is turning towards OL more and more. The great news is there are starting quality rookies at G/T, WR, DE, TE, CB, FS in rounds 3-5. The depth will give us a very good chance to land a more than just a starter but an actual difference maker in round #1. I like WR/ST Beckham, DE Pruitt, FS Pryor, CB McGill/Jean-Baptise and especially like OLB/DE Dee Ford. My confidence in Dorsey and our young players’ continued development will allow me to be happy with whoever we pick first.

      • micah stephenson

        Its noway we go QB 1st rd ANYTIME EVER!!!! That’s just not the way the Chiefs operate.

        • KCMikeG

          So you don’t like Boyd unless we could turn back time and take him in the first round?

          • micah stephenson

            If Boyd suck that bad why bother? Why you like guys like Alex or undrafted or late round guys?

          • KCMikeG

            My point is Boyd doesn’t suck and was projected as a first round pick last year before he decided to stay at Clemson another year. He had a rough Senior Bowl and Combine which for some reason negates the excellent years he has produced. He would be a huge steal in the later rounds and could be developed during AS11′s contract extension. I like AS11 because he is smart, doesn’t turn over the ball and is trending upwards. Consistency and stability are critical for a QB to develop.

            In eight seasons with the San Francisco 49ers, Alex Smith has played for three head coaches, seven offensive coordinators and six quarterbacks coaches (seven if you count Pep Hamilton, who helped Jim Hostler coach the position in 2006). Last year under his 4th HC, 9th OC and 8th QBC he was able to achieve his career best in yards and TD’s. This will be the first time he will not be starting from scratch and we will benefit well beyond what it took to get him.

      • micah stephenson

        We are not set at QB. Ass11 is on the last yr of his contract and will want 15 mill a yr give or take a few mill. He also will b 30 yrs old and de gressing soon. I’d b ok with Boyd but he will b gone by our 3rd rd pick. I’m not concerned about the Dline, we are set there. Hemmingway is ok, Jenkins might develop, Avery fast but drops too many, Dressler…I guess. Yea we need a wr. The draft is deep at wr and we can still get a #2 in the 3rd rd. I like the Oline. LT Fish LG Allen C Hudson RG Watkins, Johnson or Kush RT Stephenson. The oline is cool like that if you have to have a guard you can get one rd 5-7. I like the same rookies you like but add Arron Donald, Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Britton, Amaro,

    • Rob Ross

      Your underestimating Smith. Drafting a QB 1st round bad idea IMO. We have too many holes to fill.

      • micah stephenson

        Yes we do have holes to b filled but they can b filled while also getting a QB.

  • Chris

    I am curious about what the chiefs are up to it is still a little early to be upset

    • Andy

      Not to worry Chris. My thought is that last year Reid and Dorsey wanted to get the fans back, thus all the fa signings. Now that the fans are back they are building through the draft, with few fa. I think they are willing to take a step or two backwards in order to build for the future. Which is good. Next year our schedule is brutal, with only one team in the afc west going to the playoffs. No use trying to build for today.

  • Andy

    Full disclosure, I hate the Broncos and Elway.
    But Denver is a team that should build for today because they actually have a once in a lifetime qb. I hope they fail. For sure they will be in the afc west basement when manning retires our gets hurt.

  • anthony

    Hey we got the one player I wanted and that was Abdallah, he got so good at the season.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Denver should be going all in. Their fearless leader has one foot in the NFL grave. They had $28 million in available cap space. God bless them, I hope it works. If it doesn’t, I’ll be there to applaud the fire sale like I did that Super Bowl drubbing.

    • T.Hagen

      Hopefully they epic fail cause to me that is almost as good as our Chiefs winning.

    • T.Hagen

      If denver wins the super bowl I will be devastated.

      • Brian Dempsey

        Don’t worry. Donkeys have never won a SB outright. Their real all-time SB record is 0 wins, 5 losses, and 2 given to them by the league office as a going-away present to Turd Elway because he wasn’t good enough to win a SB outright on a level playing field. When one factors in the ridiculously easy schedules they had those years, the horrific amount of bad calls/no calls that went their way that was unparalleled in NFL history, the massive amount of holding and illegal chop-blocks that allowed Terrell Davis to rack up massive rushing yards, and the salary cap being cheated as the link to the article listed below outlines — then there is no way anybody can rightfully call them outright champions. They were frauds both years.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

        • T.Hagen

          I totally agree.

  • T.Hagen

    I think Reid and company got it figured out. If they don’t then I think Hunt will send them walking and try, try again with new management and coaches. This is getting old now and so am I. It is like the old AA saying, for things we can’t change, give us the Serenity and the wisdom to know the difference. I hate to see some of these players go but that’s the nature of the beast with the NFL unless you cheat think denver.

  • jimfromkcj

    Guys, all this talk about building a dynasty is a lot of crap. The league is set up for parity and lots of teams with pretty equal talent. The cap is an equalizer in itself. So I think that it is more the coming thing for teams to build towards a 2 or 3 year window before it is time to reload. And one of the problems of having a winning team is the draft become harder to get that QB, CB, WR and Pass rushers you need to keep winning. If you look back to Martie’s time, he was always too far down the round to pick up the top tier players and as a result he had to get 2nd tier players and concentrate on his defence. You look at the QB’s we had during that time and we were hardly ever drafting high enough to get a top QB, so we got our QB’s when some other team were casting them out. Our time with this group has passed us by, because Pioli had a love for Cassel and never tried to improve us at QB.

    • Chris

      reid will improve us at qb, if anyone can do it he can

  • Hawthorne

    I think people get caught up in what Denver has gained without examining what they lost. Von Miller is out with an injury will Demarcus Ware really be any better? Erick Decker was a big receiver with no injury problems, Sanders? not so much. Aqib Talib basically offers the same production as Cromartie for more money with more injury concerns. The only real upgrade is Ward.

    • Chris

      decker flew the coop, left denver

      • Hawthorne

        My point exactly Decker is better than Sanders and he is gone.

  • freshmeat62

    I hate to admit it, but I think what Denver is doing would be the same thing I would do in their place. They have 1 maybe 2 more years of Manning. So go for broke this year and blow your cap wide open. But then when Manning finally quits, blow the whole team up, bite the bullet for a year or two going young and rebuilding, while the cap rights itself thru attrition.

  • Daniel Mayfield

    Both Dorsey and Reid are builders. I think that’s what they can, and will, do. Maybe not a SB next season, but you never know. We don’t know what their plan is, their “blue print”. It’s not like they are gonna show it to us.

    I think if they can build the OL, which they almost have already, they are good. They have the defense, Walker is suppose to be a better pass rusher. They lost Demps and I’m not sure if they lost Lewis or not but he kept getting engered. Abdullah and Berry, Smith, Flowers, and Cooper(who looked like he was evolving through the season) so there we go with the DB/CB. I don’t even need to name the LB!

    They get an extra blocker to protect Smith and make a whole for JC and there’s an offense.