Quarterbacking The Chiefs In The New Era

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Qbing the Chiefs in the New Era

I may be sounding like I work for the Kansas City Chiefs in several of my recent pieces but, you can’t blame a guy for liking the way it feels when the organization is a perfect at 3 and 0.

While I’m crazy excited about the progress the Chiefs have made so far — and about their potential going forward this season — I am also aware that many fans believe that the Chiefs still have a problem at quarterback stemming from Alex Smith’s unwillingness, or inability, to throw and/or get the ball deep downfield.

Is that a legitimate criticism? Have we seen the full potential of Alex Smith yet? Is there more to come, that we haven’t seen yet, which involves getting the ball deep and into some of our speedy receivers hands?

After all, Dwayne Bowe, the Chiefs best receiver, who signed a long term multi-year deal this past offseason, is averaging 3 catches and 30 yards per game this season. That’s not what Bowe was bragging about or predicting for his personal production prior to kicking off the regular season. I believe his statement was that, “Once the season begins it will be bombs over Baghdad.” And… he said he would lead the league in receiving.

So, are the Chiefs getting what they bargained for this off season in Alex Smith?

Up to this point Alex Smith is:

1. Taking what the defense will give.

2. Waiting for his receivers to get separation.

3. Scanning routes then going to his check down or crossing route receivers.

Many times when we speak of quarterbacks and what they are accomplishing we narrow our conversation to them alone. While we might say “Alex Smith will need to do more than he’s doing so far to lead the Chiefs to the playoffs and then “win” once he get’s them there”… it would be more appropriate to begin that sentence with, “Alex Smith and his receivers….”

While I can tell you that I have seen plays when I believe Dwayne Bowe was open, I don’t know how often that’s occurring and we also know that many teams double Bowe and set traps (for interceptions) based on where Bowe is heading.

Even so, the criticism I hear of Alex Smith seems mostly unfounded to me because of what it means to be a QB in the new era of athletic QBs… which doesn’t really apply to him.

Yes, Alex Smith has athleticism and legs that can get him out of trouble in the pocket and make positive yards up field. However, Alex rarely places his body in harms way, to make those yards (with his legs) that need to be made to gain a first down.

Look at the greatest QBs ever. Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Dan Marino, Brett Favre and Roger Staubach (list provided by Men’sFitness). Now, think about their body types. Here, let me help,

Joe Montana, 6-2, 200

Tom Brady, 6-4, 225

Johnny Unitas, 6-1, 194

Peyton Manning, 6-5, 230

John Elway, 6-3, 215

Steve Young, 6-2, 215

Terry Bradshaw, 6-3, 215

Dan Marino, 6-4, 224

Brett Favre, 6-2, 225

Roger Staubach, 6-3, 197

Is there anything to be learned from evaluating the height and weight of a QB? Enough evaluators place value on these stats to nearly disqualify shorter players like Russell Wilson or even Drew Brees when in reality they are both excellent QBs.

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  • Jeff Grasser Jr

    Really great article, Laddie. Enjoyed it very much.

    • ladner morse

      Thanks Jeff!

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Great work, Ladner! Surely you could’ve found a picture of Kaep with pants on though. Sheesh!
    My eyes are burning!

    Alex Smith has played well thus far. There are times when I want him to take a chance and throw down the field. There are other times when I want him to make a decision quicker to avoid a sack. Overall, he’s been the best quarterback we’ve had in a long, long time and is playing well enough for us to win a lot of games.

    • ladner morse

      Thanks Reach. It’s really frustrating right now — not being able to respond to people’s posts from work during the day. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.

  • berttheclock

    I second the kudos by Mr Grasser, Jr. However, one other point about not throwing enough to Bowe. I just finished reading the excellent breakdown of the blocking problems of Fisher by Paylor over at the Star. A very good point was made by Paylor that Fisher is learning from his mistakes and may well continue to improve his blocking skills. However, those early problems have caused havoc for Alex Smith. Some of his sacks have been of the sort of not even being able to set up to look for anyone. In the Philly game, Barwin came in looking like a run away express train. Cox did a quick swim move and exploded into Smith. Look at the number of roll outs Smith has had to make. I would submit lack of pass blocking has done far more harm to long passes than any perceived lack of arm strength by Smith. Give Smith protection and he will find Bowe. Plus, after the Philly game, no decent defensive co-ord is going to let Avery roam so freely and double teams will start to diminish against Bowe.

    • Chris Tarrants

      Once we get our good TE’s back then blocking as a whole should improve dramatically

      • berttheclock

        What, also, should improve is our success on 3rd down. After 3 games, the team is only successful 32 per cent of the time. That would be even lower if not for the fine late drives. However, on the flip side, the defense is second only to the Jets with being the stingiest in stopping 3rd down plays from opponents. They have only allowed 28 per cent. In fact, they stopped Philly to the point where Philly would be much higher than having a 42 % rate and far closer to the 54 % of the Broncos had they not played the Chiefs.

        • Battlespeed

          Bert, do you know if anyone has a good read on where Fasano and Kelce really are in their rehab? I can’t seem to find out anything but vapid comments like “they’re working on it” or “they’re coming along”…

          • berttheclock

            Unfortunately, no. However, I continue to be impressed by the work of John Dorsey. Did you see a guard has just been elevated to the 53 to replace Allen? He came from the Seahawks. Plus, Dorsey just worked out 9 players, largely, due to having players available if needed. This is a new GM office which stays open.

          • Battlespeed

            Yes, I’ve seen the standard press articles on those workouts, and noticed that several were TE’s, but again, with that too, nothing about how they did, etc.

          • Calchiefsfan

            One of the things I like about this new regime is that they don’t bring injured players back too quickly. The Chiefs would be better with Fasano and Kelce but are still able to win without them. I think Reid/Dorsey have their eye on the second half of the season and want all bodies as healthy as possible. I think it was Brady who said that the season really starts in November.

            By the way, nice post below.

          • berttheclock

            Fasano’s Twitter account has gone silent He did mention rehab back in August.

      • ladner morse

        I’m ready to see Demetrius Harris moved up from the practice squad. I’ll P-double-S-ed if some other team plucks him from our Practice squad.

      • superman_25_58

        Not taking anything away from DD McGrath bc he played a good game, but I agree that we need our two best TE’s on the field on Sundays IMO.

  • berttheclock

    There is something about the writing skills of Laddie which causes me to remember songs from the past. In the case of Colin Kaepernick, I am reminded of Bernstein/Sondheim’s, song from “West Side Story”. “I feel pretty…………….and so pretty, that I hardly can believe I’m real”.

    • Michael Shaw

      Oh so pretty and gay!!!

      • ladner morse

        Sorry… I’m more of a “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious” kind of guy!

      • superman_25_58

        Funny stuff

  • Chris Tarrants

    Personally I’m fine with teams doubling down on Bowe every game as long as Avery keeps catching the ball like he is using stickem! Also if Reud would put Hemmingway in the slot for a game or two he could either impress enough to stick or really get DMC’s attention that he needs to step his game up

    • Michael Shaw

      I LOVE that idea! Junior IMO has already done enough to prove that they should be playing him!!!

      • Battlespeed

        With the Giants’ D (or perhaps that should be “d”?), I wouldn’t be surprised to see Junior used more on Sunday, assuming we see the chance to break out more of the playbook.

  • WORLDCHAMPSPURS

    Good job Laddie!
    Thank God the CHIEFS are doing well… or I’d have to ponder the Rangers for a few more weeks!
    GOOOO CHIEFS!

  • Battlespeed

    It boggles the mind. A 2-14 team comes out the next season 3-0. Dead last in turnover ratio the previous season, they also start off +9, with no offensive turnovers. The QB throws no interceptions. Home field red zone efficiency is sky-high. And yet – even though we can plainly see the adverse consequences (interceptions) and complete lack of relationship to wins produced by the league’s “big passers” – people quibble because our QB isn’t heaving the rock far enough to suit them!

    We have what amounts to a brand new offensive unit that’s played exactly three regular season games together. They’re playing under completely new management. We have a QB and receiving corps that only just shook hands yesterday, figuratively speaking. We have a rookie RT who was thrown into a position he hadn’t played and – as anyone would reasonably expect – doesn’t have his legs under him yet so he’s going to get beat at times and that’s going to impact Smith’s options, as do the various schemes against Bowe.

    As I say, it boggles my brain. If you want a team that will give you “dazzle” (and the losses that go with it), you’ve got other choices. I’m perfectly happy to let Alex Smith and the Chiefs grow into their new situation and just keep on “matriculatin’ the ball down the field”, as Hank Stram said.

    • Michael Shaw

      Your not the only one that is confounded or befuddled by some of the comments certain people keep saying about Alex!!

    • berttheclock

      Plus, injuries to Fasano and Kelce have hurt. The West Coast needs TEs who can get open and catch passes. Thankfully, Dorsey spotted the ploy by the Seahawks in trying to slip McGrath through waivers and grabbed him. He has been crucial. But, with his development under fire and the return of Fasano, look for a major improvement, especially, on 3rd downs. The healing of young Kelce will be the icing on the cake. He has played very well on Special Teams, as well.

      • Battlespeed

        Nothing against McGrath; he’s done well for someone just coming into the system. But we do have a lot of two-TE sets, so somebody needs to get well soon.

    • kcpauly

      Amen, It’s what I’ve been writing on all of my posts, but also as I have said haters will be hatin’ me I am totally fine with 3-0 and Mr. Smith’s winning games for us.
      Go Chiefs!!!!!!

    • Suzi Conger

      Extremely well said battlespeed; I’m going to add that the most important problem is our lack of OLine protection and blocking; both for Alex and JC/RB’s..and secondarily, the well-executed pass/receiver drops are still a little too high….there are only about 3 (all KC ) ‘writers” that staunchly REFUSE to acknowledge this/these problematic truth(s), as well as produce highly biased material. Aside from my own nfl ‘rewind’ observations, Fox (Bradshaw, HLong, et al ), NFL, espn, LDawson, MHolthus, BleacherReport, Warpaint Illustrated, NBC CBS analyzers, to name a few, are all reporting that our OLine is KCC’s ‘weak link’ and must improve for Chiefs to continue winning. Actually it is to AS’s credit that KC has put offensive points on the board… if AS ‘hangs on to the ball too long” it’s because no receiver has gained separation; he will typically not risk a TO…. 5 sacks and mucho multiple pressures/near sacks/hurried plays vs Philly. Totally agree bout EFisher; he’s gonna be great with some time. BAlbert has made multiple errors and allowed sacks/pressure; I’ve been disappointed there. But I’m with you, our KC guyz have done great and I’m proud of all of them for their work effort and spirit!

      Here is one of several example(s) of excellent KC player/position breakdown…”KCC: What you need to know in week 4″ Bleacher Report, Benjamin Allbright. There are others on my FB wall.

      And O yea, you are so right about ck7; contrary to AS11 and ARogers, ck7 totally crumbles (and fumbles, lol) ( INT and TO’s) under pressure…NFL gave SF a mighty easy schedule and ck7 has one of the best NFL OLine’s

  • Michael Shaw

    Nice read as usual Laddie. I am sure Micah will tell you later how wrong you are about Alex as his bromance with Geno is still thriving after his last game. I for one saw one play in the Philly game that tells me for damn sure that Alex indeed has the arm to make the deep throws………………………and that was the hail mary at the end of the 1st half of the Philly game! The ball was in the air what, 40-60 yards in the air and was a tight spiral. I know he has the arm and I agree with most of the posts below that the O-line’s inability to block has been what has made the long ball game suffer and NOT our QB. I watch the left side of the line and sometimes wonder if we would be better off trading Branden Albert to another team that needs him and can afford his salary. I swear he didn’t get beat NEARLY as much last year as he is this year………..sheesh!! Get rid of him since he doesn’t appear to really want to be on this team. At least that is what his play so far has shown he, IMO. Again, that is my opinion and I could be wrong, but his blocking to date is NOT earning him the big contract he wants!!

    • Battlespeed

      Funny – people talk about Eric Fisher getting beat (Fisher – who was drafted as AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN LT, but instead finds himself in the unenviable position of an NFL rookie asked to play a position he’s totally new to, and offering absolutely no complaints or grumbles). But no one mentions that Albert’s been beaten more than once too…

      Dump Albert. Keep Fisher and put him where he belongs, for God’s sake. This is the one truly stupid thing that Reid has done since he’s been here. Put Fisher at LT, and I guarantee you’lll see some kind of beast on that end of the line – and we have all the film we need to know that’s true.

      • micah stephenson

        Hell no! fish is struggling on the right side. The pass rushers on the left will eat him up.

    • micah stephenson

      Wtf!!! Any of us can stand on the 50 and chuck it to the endzone. A strong arm means having zip on the ball, get the ball from pt a to pt b fast. having stamina to throw 20-40 yards 30 times a game ACCURATELY, super tight spirals, and so on. I watch every game over and over again. I will see multiple wrs open but Alex is scared to throw it to them. Alex ain’t it man. He just don’t have “It”. We can win with him as long as the D plays like it is. But he is an avg QB. Nothing special. Fishers blocking has been worse than Alberts. If Alex got the ball out of his hands quicker mayby the o line wudnt look so bad.

      • Hacksaw 46

        Yeah Micah, AS is such a pain in the ass , all he does is win. I mean whats up with that!!!

  • micah stephenson

    I see a slight progress. I hope this ain’t it tho. I hope they still trying to improve the position.

    • ladner morse

      Micah… thanks for seeing the progress. When I take a closer look at Alex for this piece it’s clear he is on and upward progression for more than two years now and I get excited to see how far he will take it. He comes across as a thinker… and that is what gives me more hope that he’s not done making positive alterations to his game.

      But yes… I can’t wait to see him connect long with Mr. Bowe!

      • micah stephenson

        I’ve seen enough to know long ball ain’t his game. I just hope when we get to the playoffs our defense can hold these high powered offenses down and we can run enough with charles to win.

  • Troy Utt

    Lad… GREAT PIECE! Funny you put this out as I had just sounded off to Bert on this topic. Asking when one of our writers would dig in & do a piece such as this. You hit the nail on the head! Smith has been a gamer doing whatever necessary to extend the drive, pick up the 1st down, & getting the ball into the hands (or foot) of the right player each trip to the red-zone. I understand that he does not fit everyones idea of the perfect QB, but with fantasty football & video games everyone seems to be an expert these days.There is a much to be said for the difference between knowledge & ability…
    IMO opinion once we are able to get our TE Corp back healthy that should greatly aid in getting touches for Bowe. Provided that the O-line gives at least minimal time for Smith to read his progressions. Smith has shown he has the ability to go deep, & I would like to to see us air it out a bit more. But as long as we are winning I am fine with it… The basis of the WCO is take what the defense is giving, which reminds me of Smiths interview in regards to his stats & numbers -v- Cam Newtons, Alex Smith replied ”I would rather have 200 yards/2 TD’s & the win -vs- 400 yards & the loss.” WAR CHIEFS!!!

  • Calchiefsfan

    Great article Laddie. This whole game manager thing gets me a little crazy. You can’t win games if you’re on the bench, injured. The primary responsibility for a QB is to get the ball into the hands of the playmakers. Davenport said it correctly “unless he has to” challenge defenses vertically. He can, but right now he hasn’t needed to in order to win. You got it right, new system, new players, young o line, it will all come together during the course of the year. From what I’ve seen so far I honestly believe the Chiefs will be contending for the Super Bowl next year. This year, playoffs and a win.

    • Troy Utt

      I agree the brass have laid a great foundation as the team is young both in player & contract for the most part. I for one am sick of the “game manager” tag! I believe the most fraustrating part is those who claim to cheer for the Red & Gold yet continue to beat down their own team despite changes, progress, & wins! This off-season has shown us one thing if nothing else, that being “this aint the same ole Chiefs” which begs for at least giving the team a chance before moving on to the next player, draft, etc… Smith has proven he is a more than capable QB running the WCO. An offense whose basic premise is “take what the defense is willing to give,” ball control, move the sticks, get the ball into the hands of your play-makers. Check, check, & check… Smith is taking care of business! For those doubters out there check back at the end of the season. If you are honest with yourself & the rest of us there will be no other result. As if KC continues on this path, even if they hit a few bumps in the road, there will be but positives to build on! I’d say coming off a 2-14 season in which most thought we were in for a 3-5 year rebuilding,
      that’s pretty damn good!!! WAR CHIEFS!!!

      • Calchiefsfan

        Well said!

  • PunjabiPete

    To a MUCH lesser extent, this is what I was saying about Cassel (before you bag on me, I’m glad he’s gone)… yes, it is the QB’s job to get the ball in the same general nautical direction as the receiver, but at some point the dang receiver needs to take responsibility for catching the flippin’ ball! That’s all I ask!

    Alex Smith DOES need to take a chance, but I am wondering if that is all him or if it is more coaching, having the QB coach (don’t know the name, sorry) telling him “play it safe. No turnovers, even if it means a more vanilla passing game”… I think sometimes Smith WANTS to throw a bomb, but, at least early on, and until we get comfortable, he is going to NOT lose more than he is going to try to win.

  • kcpauly

    Nice write up Laddie, if you have read any of my posts then you know that I totally agree with everything you just said, good read Bro.
    Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!

  • D forte

    Alex will take chances, when they are needed, but no point in taking a risk when you are leading the ball game. That throw to Avery on 3rd down for 15 yards was a risk, but he took it because he knew if KC had to punt from there it could be ugly. The guy had six fourth quarter come back victories in 2011, he didn’t do it by sitting on his hands.

    • Suzi Conger

      Thank you D forte; excellent comment

  • Jason Seibel

    Amen!!! For those who say Alex Smith is incapable of throwing the deep ball, please watch this video:

    http://t.co/yqLNI7gvSF

    This is the only thing you need to know! Great stuff, Laddie!

    • Troy Utt

      I believe this clip should be required viewing prior to being able to make remarks… Maybe that would help a few that still can’t help but run him down… I believe the one big difference I see other than needing our TE Corp healthy is that the SF O-line (at least in the clip) not once allowed anyone into the backfield… Amazing what that extra couple of seconds will do for you!!!

      • Suzi Conger

        Yes indeed Troy; I’ve been posting since March as to Alex’s QB talents; but he has to have an OLine that can at least adequately protect to give the time needed for big plays and receivers that can catch and not consistently drop. A good example; PManning ’12 season led 0-3 until coaching staff reported they totally re-vamped the OLine….thereafter PM ended the season tied with ck7/SF for lowest sacks/pressure/rushes in nfl. Sure luvin our Chiefs and proud of ‘em

        • Troy Utt

          I’ve been pulling the bandwagon for Alex here on AA & taking my lumps since way before they had even started talking trade… So there was never any convincing to do with me. Most others followed along when they saw the stats & clips, a few more during camp, & the balance come the first of the season. But with Micah…he will still be harping that same tired crap when Alex Smith puts up 10 wins or grinds us into the play-offs! Yet still he won’t honestly admit that AS11 has done his thing!
          WAR CHIEFS!!!

          • Suzi Conger

            lol so true

    • micah stephenson

      I’m still not impressed. If he was so good why did his coach dump him off on us while stealing 2 2nd rd picks? All them dam turnovas and our offense ain’t doing shit with them. Wit a bum, opps my bag, wit a “middle tier average” QB like Smith the defense better keep the scores real low.

      • ladner morse

        Yea that DEFENSE better keep it up cuz the offense is only 12th in the league in scoring!!!

        Oops! Mite wanna to check ur fax b4 post-n.

        • micah stephenson

          I’m more of a 1st kinda guy. The 12th ranked offenss us nothing to brag about. #1 on D and # 1 on offense should b the goals.

          • ladner morse

            Perhaps… but, the offense hasn’t hits its full stride yet and still they are ranked 12th. That means 20 other teams are in worse shape than the Chiefs. You know their are many teams who have won a Super Bowl with top ranked defenses and 12th ranked offenses (on average). And maybe you place too much importance on the defense because I can remember just two years ago that the Giants had one of the worst defenses in the league (27th) and only the 8th ranked offense (4 spots better than the Chiefs right now) and they won the big one.

            Let’s take a look at both of last year’s SB participants: 49ers (11th ranked offense) and the Ravens who were the champs (16th ranked offense).

            Hmm… done any homework lately Micah???

          • micah stephenson

            Knaw. I get all my stats from yall. Lol

    • ladner morse

      Awesome video Jason. THNX a MIL!!!!

  • http://www.nickschweitzer.net/ Nick Schweitzer

    My problem with Alex so far has nothing to do with anything in your article, which makes me wonder if my complaint is legitimate based on the games I’ve watched. I’m disappointing Bowe hasn’t gotten more receptions, but can live with it. I’m not upset he doesn’t take a chance down the field more.

    What I’ve been seeing is a lack of accuracy on the run. When Smith has been flushed and running towards the sideline, it seems as though he is extremely inaccurate throwing to an open receiver. He’s either thrown it two yards short of him in the grass, or way over his head. Several of these have been on 3rd down, where the receiver was at the 1st down marker.

    • ladner morse

      Thought I covered the Bowe issues — 9th QB for Bowe for in 7 seasons — 7 different OCs in 7 seasons — a grace period for adjusting to each other — Bowe not getting open enough on his own. A.S. deciding pot go with safe throws early in the year.

      I’ve seen a lot of SF tape on Alex and he is one of the better QBs in the league at throwing on the run. Must be new team or early year jitters. I believe all of that works out in the next few weeks… especially wit ha bunch of home games on the schedule.

      • micah stephenson

        I hope so. Cus so far I’m not impressed!!!!

  • micah stephenson

    Im happy we 3-0 but you know you live n a town that has been as watching bad QB play when u happy with an Alex Smith. :( I know things have been bad but when you like an Alex Smith you are too easily impressed. I think any QB in the NFL can do wat he has done for us so far.

    • Jason Seibel

      Really? Matt Cassel is still in the league. You think he could do what Smith has done? Ponder? Freeman? Pryor? Flynn? Locker? Kolb? Gabbert? Let’s take it a step farther…Do you think Kaepernick is an elite QB? He looks pretty garbage to me right now. RGIII? Looks like he outlived his usefulness. Being a QB isn’t about throwing for 350 yards and 4 TDs every Sunday. It helps, but that’s not all there is to it. Peyton Manning is a great “elite” QB, but with the talent level in Denver, I could take that team to the playoffs.

      Smith is the perfect QB for this team, this scheme and this situation. Period. The record proves it.

      • Suzi Conger

        very well said…just wait, when the OLine improves (allowing AS the time needed for big plays) and receivers have fewer drops, Chiefs offense is going to explode. As you know Jason, I’ve been posting Alex’s QB talents since March (and often ridiculed for my comments), but then I’ve known what he is capable of accomplishing with an adequate OL and receivers. Thanks for sharing the great video ‘thanks Alex’

      • micah stephenson

        Yes. I do. I think any QB in this offense right here right now cud do what he is do n. I know you you gone point out the d has dropped a few ints so he’s keeping that colum clean but nobody as suoer conservative as him shud throw many ints. Im glad we got a good D and JC to lean on.

      • micah stephenson

        I don’t think kop is elite. He hasn’t even played a full season yet. I wud take him and rg3 over Smith tho.

    • ladner morse

      Someday… soon… someone will figure out a new rating system that takes into account more of the things Alex Smith is good at.

      Until then… what will it take for you to admit A.S. is a good QB? A playoff victory? A Super Bowl berth? SB Victory? Please… tell us.

      • micah stephenson

        Playoff victory. Untill then can a see just one play that makes me jump up yelling “dId you see that pass wow”!

  • micah stephenson

    Didn’t we start off 3-0 in 2010 with Matt Cassel?

    • Jason Seibel

      We did. We even won the division that year. Of course, the AFC West was the worst division in football in 2010 and we got our asses kicked in the first round of the playoffs, but who’s counting? It also took the Sand Cassel a whole season to figure out what to do as a QB. AS has done it in 6 months. Alex Smith has playoff wins already under his belt. Far superior to anyone the Chiefs could have gotten. You know this, Micah. Don’t fight it.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      Cassel also threw 4 TD’s in those three games (along with 3 INT’s).
      And the Chiefs beat two terrible teams in the Niners and Browns.

      • micah stephenson

        The Jags, cowboys and eagles ain’t all that. Jags are horrible. Eagle won 4 games last yr and won game thus yr against the scrubby redskins. Cowboys are decent but it was a closer game. I’m saying what I seen Alex Smith do so far I think any QB cud hav done so far on this team. Can he make just one spetacular play so I can say mayby I was wrong? I seen what you said hello and I agree he needs to get the ball out his hands quicker. quit being scared to throw to open wrs. He late reads gives the d time to close the seperation the wrs created. He needs to drive the ball more as in throw harderbto get it to the wrbquicker

        • Stacy D. Smith

          The Eagles are a MUCH better football team. Between them and the Cowboys, one of those teams will go to the playoffs. Both are superior to the 2010 Niners and Browns.

          If just any quarterback could be as efficient as Smith has been, there would never have been a need to bring him to Kansas City.

          Just one spectacular play, eh? I can think of a half-dozen 3rd & Impossibles that he’s converted. One with his legs.

          If you’ll only be impressed by him heaving the ball 65 yards down the field, you’re probably never going to be impressed by him.

          • micah stephenson

            Third in impossible? We are down around 30% on 3rd. But a pass 15 yards to avery shud not b impossible. It shud b normal

          • Stacy D. Smith

            We’re at 32%, but we’ve been in more 3rd Down situations than 27 other teams in the league. League average is somewhere around 35-37%.

            I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I’d venture to guess the percentage of 3rd & 15′s converted in the NFL is tiny. To say THAT should be normal? Well…

          • micah stephenson

            3rd and long naturally is not completed as much as 3rd and long but I think b n able to complete a 15 yard pass shud b impossible. I seen the pass. Nothing special. It was a 15 yard pass to avery. Nothing special. Go look at the replay over and over again and you shud see that was a pass most QBs shuda made.

  • Chris Tarrants

    Ok Laddie you are wrong Alex sucks, and Micah you are wrong because Alex is a great QB! Confused yet? Me too I am torn with him but am holding out hope. Once we really get down by a few scores we will know if he can air it out and see if he can gut check himself and the offense around him so until then I will cheer him and cuss him accordingly

    • ladner morse

      Maybe I am wrong. But, Alex has been “excellent” for two plus years now and yes he may have gotten there with great coaching but hey… the great coaching is not disappearing anytime soon so… there ya go… more positive Alex Smith posts.

      • Danny W

        Your really going with the word excellent? I would say super efficient and conservative maybe. Excellent is word suited for the top five. Smith is no where near that.

    • Danny W

      I think he’s efficient and hasn’t lost any games. We probably won’t win any because of him but losing on him won’t happen often. I hope he improves though too. I hope he turns out to be something really special.

  • micah stephenson

    If Alex Smith is a good as its gon get around here this is gonna suck! I guess we ain’t gone never try to have a P.Manning, T.Brady, A.Rogers type of QB. I guess we get the Matt Cassels and Alex Smith types instead.

    • superman_25_58

      We do have A Rogers 2.0 (Tyler Bray) just waiting till his sitting and learning period (3 year maximum like AR did under Dorsey and GB) is over. Bray has a really strong arm that defenses will have to play honest, than that will open up so much more in the offense. Bray just has to sit and learn behind Smith and learn how to make smarter decisions IMO.

      • Troy Utt

        Thank You! And FYI… you are wasting your breath on Micah, as there is nothing you can say, no stat you can give, no fact you can lay out, that he will look at and honestly admit to the otherwise! Just sayin’ Alex Smith could win every game this year & he will still be harpin this same tired crap…

        • micah stephenson

          What!!!! Alex ain’t won no games yet. Our defense won theses games. Any QB cud hav done wat he has done on this team.

          • Danny W

            I wouldn’t say any quarterback but our defense has to be credited for our field position and wins thus far.

          • Troy Utt

            Last I checked football was a team sport…and despite the fact that our fully manned “D”

          • Troy Utt

            Not sure where my reply went to??? Nor am I
            sure what if ever will we be able to do to get
            you to acknowledge the job/effort that Smith
            is doing… Last I checked Football was a team sport, and even though our fully manned “D” who is playing off the hook at this point can’t do it on their own! Unlike last season Smith has done whatever necessary to keep the drives alive, move the stickes, he has been a gamer! We are among the highest red-zone scoring teams & will remain that way as Smith is able to get the ball into the hands(foot) of our play-makers. That is achieved as Smith has a football mentality, even though KC has not had a starting TE in the line-up yet this
            season he has still found a way to keep the short game working using JC which has been vital to our success! Should the O-line provide
            even the slightest bit of better pass protection, & we get our TE’s back in the line-up that will open a whole new chapter in the playbook. That said it should also cause the opposing defense into a more conventional coverage which will allow for Bowe to escape double coverage & gain seperation. But to make a remark such as you did with “any QB could have done what he has done on this team,”
            That statement could not be further from the truth, yet that statement could not be truer!!!
            First off I would certainly expect if you have any idea what the WCO is & how it operates then yes many could function in that system. How profiently is the question especially since Reid runs a hybrid WCO which has influences from both the spread & pistol… We can argue these points all day, & it will get us no-where!
            Point being Micah…We are all fans, Alex Smith
            is our QB… He’s leading our offense who along with our top tier “D” are putting W’s in the win column… at least give him a chance!
            You know if he blows it we’ll blow him up here on AA, & you can lead the charge… I’m just sayin’… WAR CHIEFS!!!

  • Lyle Graversen

    This was an EXCELLENT read Ladner, very well done. I don’t have much to add, except maybe I’ve been frustrated with the Chiefs passing game multiple times DURING the game, but as soon as the game is over and I see the results and go back and look at his numbers I go “well I guess that was better than I thought at the time”. Our brains are programmed to crave the Sports Center Top 10 type of plays. We get frustrated as a game goes on and we don’t see those kind of plays. Alex Smith is the tortoise in the story from the tortoise and the hare. He may not be flashy, but he “wins the race”.

    • Danny W

      No actually the offense is that bad if you look at the numbers and compare them. It’s not you somehow failing the eye test.

    • ladner morse

      Yea Lyle. I agree. I do think Alex is close to being elite in several ways but imagine moving ot a new city and performing on a high level with all new team mates in the first year you were there. I think our expectations for a first year QB in a new location is a little skewed. Yes, I’m frustrated at times too — not seeing him go down field — but Alex has shown a progresive tack the last two plus years for his performances and so I’m willing ot see him for what he is in the situation he’s in but I also see him for what he will become.
      Thanks Lyle.

  • Danny W

    Good read Laddie.

    Lot’s of work here nothing wrong with it. I do respectfully disagree and I have done my homework good Sir. The Chiefs are relying on their defense to score so their numbers can be a bit skewed. But if you remove the defensive scores you’ll see were the true story lies. The Chiefs are 30th in yards per drive in the league. The Oakland Raiders, and Jacksonville Jag’s are worse. The sad thing is the Chiefs are first in the league in field position by like 15 yards. Yay for special teams right? We’re 27th in third down percentage and 23rd in points per game. When we get to the read zone we’ve improved and are 15th in league in that category. Our problem is getting to the red zone!
    One can point to the offensive line and there would be some justification to that, we have had some misses. You would be foolish however to place the blame solely on them. Smith has had some time to convert has he not? Has he not looked skittish at times if not down right scared? You could also place some blame on the play calling. The run game isn’t utilized that much and when it is we run right at the teeth of the defense. Still yet Alex Smith is efficient yes, good, at this point I’d have to say no. Does Smith have some built in excuses? Sure. He’s on how many coordinators in how many years? I don’t know. True enough. If you’ve done any homework on Smith at all though this is the guy you get. He’s extremely conservative and a bit skittish. He’s not going to push the ball down the field and won’t throw to a guy unless he’s wide open. He’s not terrible but not elite in anyway shape or form. If the defense has an off game and Smith’s play doesn’t improve we will surely lose against the better teams in the league. For the record any one who thinks I hope Smith will suck so I can pound my chest and say I’m right your crazy. I want a Chiefs Super Bowl, I don’t want a playoff birth and then maybe, hopefully a win. I want a Chiefs Super Bowl championship run. This defense has that kind of run in it potentially. I hope Smith turns out to make me look silly and stupid, and I hope I’m so wrong I have to eat a plate of crow fajitas. What I’ve seen thus far has left me far from impressed though. For everyone here who want’s a fight with me and ask what game I was watching I recommend you record the game. Push play and with a stop watch time the play from when the ball was snapped until Alex Smith throws the ball. Does he get sacked some? Sure. Sometimes he rolls towards blitzes though. That’s on him for not reading the blitz. It’s not all on Smith but he’s got time guys. Seriously. Time his snaps for heavens sakes. We can even do it together against New York if you like. I’ll comment on every pass play how much time he get’s if that will suit you. Seriously. Again good read and Thanks.

    • ladner morse

      Nice post Danny. I’m not saying I don’t see those same deficiencies in Smith.
      However, I believe those same problems exist in every QB in the league
      excluding maybe Tom B. and Peyton M. It’s the nature of the beast.
      Meaning, when we stand in front of the mirror each morning, we only see
      the blemishes. It’s much harder to stand back and see the whole effect
      that our lovely face has on other people because we see our own face so
      much we only see it in pieces. Same here with the Chiefs QB. We break
      down every little thing he does but don’t see the overall effect they
      have on the team as a whole. In this case… 3-0 and #1 in the
      turnover/take away ratio …says it all.

      • Danny W

        I think a lot of quarterbacks primarily make high effeceint throws but I think most are more poised in the pocket and have more confidence in their abilities when it comes to turning the ball loose. Especially on third downs. We are plus 9 in turnover ratio, and where we are on offense compared to other ball clubs in scoring points that makes us whoefully ineffective in scoring with the football on offense. We may have come through in the clutch to get an important score here and there but this offense is the achillies heel to our gladiator football team. That’s in no small part to Alex Smith. Not saying it’s all of it but it’s definately some.

    • micah stephenson

      I like how you come with stats. Mayby they will listen to you. They think I’m just hating cus we didnt get Geno. Im just tired of these avg-below avg QBs we keep get n.