Aug 16, 2013; Kansas City, MO, USA; Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith (11) scrambles under pressure from San Francisco 49ers linebacker Michael Wilhoite (57) in the first half at Arrowhead Stadium. Mandatory Credit: John Rieger-USA TODAY Sports

A.J. Jenkins Trade As Much About Alex Smith As Jon Baldwin


The Kansas City Chiefs’ trade former first-round pick, WR Jonathan Baldwin to the San Francisco 49ers for WR A.J. Jenkins, was as much about QB Alex Smith as it was Baldwin’s failures.

While most will simply chalk the move up as the Chiefs unloading a chronic underachiever, I think the trade was a carefully thought-out and rather shrewd move by GM John Dorsey.

Dorsey has no ties to Jonathan Baldwin. The former Pittsburgh WR was drafted by Dorsey’s predecessor, Scott Pioli.

The famous story from Baldwin’s draft involves the Atlanta Falcons, WR Julio Jones and New England Patriots head coach, Bill Belichick.

Pioli is extremely close with Falcons GM, Thomas Dimitroff, as both worked together in New England. When Dimitroff was considering moving up to select Jones, he reached out to Pioli and Belichick for advice. Pioli told Dimitroff to go for it, while Belichick suggest Dimitroff hold on to his draft picks and select Baldwin later in the first round. Dimitroff ended up making the trade to acquire Jones and Pioli ended up selecting Baldwin. I’ve often wondered if Pioli was aware of Dimitroff’s conversation with Belichick and if his former mentor’s opinion of Baldwin in any way contributed to his drafting the WR.

Two years later, Baldwin is looking like a complete bust and Pioli is working in television instead of football.

Which brings us back to Dorsey. Pioli drafted Baldwin because he was trying to put then starting Chiefs QB Matt Cassel in the best position to succeed. Pioli traded a second-round pick to the Patriots to acquire Cassel and so the GM had hitched his wagon to Cassel’s career.

John Dorsey has done something similar, with Alex Smith.

Dorsey gave up even more for Smith than Pioli did for Cassel. Smith comes with more pedigree than Cassel but he also comes with a history of poor play. Cassel’s arrival in KC was after only one successful season filling in for Tom Brady. Smith’s past is more complicated but his success in 2011 and half of 2012 under 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh convinced Dorsey that he could win with Smith.

After a wildly successful Chiefs debut in a preseason game against the New Orleans Saints, Smith sputtered against his former team in KC’s second preseason contest. Baldwin started that game on the outside, opposite of Dwayne Bowe. Smith targeted Baldwin three times and the WR caught zero passes.

To be fair, two of the passes were uncatchable. The third, however, was right on the money and Baldwin dropped it like the football was on fire.

Dorsey can’t afford to have Smith’s confidence shaken and at this point, Baldwin was more of a hindrance to Smith than an asset. By trading Baldwin for Jenkins, another underachieving receiver, Dorsey at least brings in a player that Smith has some familiarity with. It really does appear to be a case of the devil Smith knows versus the devil he doesn’t.

The move also keeps the KC offense from getting stuck in a rut, at least for now. While ridding the team of Baldwin won’t immediately solve the Chiefs’s lack of depth at WR, it does open up a chance for guys like Donnie Avery, Devon Wylie, A.J. Jenkins and Junior Hemingway to seize the moment. If that happens, Dorsey will look like a genius for dumping Baldwin and if it doesn’t, the Chiefs will be no worse off than they were before. Baldwin was shaping up to be a very expensive drive killer.

Sott Pioli waited two full seasons before he seriously tried to get Matt Cassel some legit WR help. John Dorsey clearly doesn’t plan on waiting that long. Even if he can’t bring his offense a stud WR right now, he can at least move things around by cutting the dead weight.

With two preseason games to go, Dorsey has given his QB a chance to develop a connection with a receiver that might actually deliver. It might be a Hail Mary, but it is better than taking a knee.

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  • Montez K.

    Agreed. I also have confidence that Alex Smith knows what he can work with and what he can’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t have some type of input. I trust Dorsey and Reid fully

  • Jason Collins

    John Clayton: You have to wonder what the chiefs were thinking trading for a player who the 49ers have given up on so soon. I guess he couldn’t learn the offense”. It’s the same offense…

  • In_My_Opinion1

    Nice article Patrick. Valid points. The one thing that intrigues me is Jenkins’ skill set and size. I think Reid sees a guy whom they can develop to be a Jeremy Maclin type #2. Similar size and speed. I liked him at IL and I still think he has a lot to offer. We certainly have a WR coach that can get the most out of him. The right coaching makes all the difference in the world with these young guys.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    How well does Smith really know Jenkins though? Jenkins probably never saw first team reps with the Niners.

    • Suzi Conger

      Stacy, you can be assured that JDorsey and AReid make the trade/hire/fire decisions; not AS11…it is belittling to AR and JD to imply otherwise (not that you are..)

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Of course they did, but that’s an entirely separate issue.

        • Suzi Conger

          Not really separate; the title and content of the article says it all.. CHIEFS!

      • Justin R Groth

        Not so much belittling. You see the article is stating that because of there being a CHANCE that Alex and AJ have a chemistry. One floundering WR for another is worth it if the second 1. Might know the qb better and 2. Fits the scheme better.

        • Suzi Conger

          skip the caps justin,,,, read the title and comprehend…the articles’ main thread is that the trade centered around AS11 to maintain his ‘confidence’…Have you listened to Areid’sJD’s interviews and read the multitude of other (well documented) articles on the trade?.. I have. I totally agree with fits the WCO scheme better,,,, but ‘might know the QB better’ ..? than who…JBaldwin? AReid’s(JD) made it very clear JB was traded because he’s still demonstrating too many drops (and the agreed fits SF scheme better)
          I agree to disagree regarding the ‘belittling’ point CHIEFS!

          • Justin R Groth

            What you just said insinuaties that you only read the title and not the article. The caps were for emphasis that is usually done using italics, however since I can’t get my phone to use italics on this site I used caps, for one word. Something my college composition teacher taught was completely alright so long as used sparingly and since I only used it ONCE, in my post I think I’m fine. Also Jon’s drops were and issue but he went after AJ because yes AJ would know Smith better than Baldwin, even if just a little.

    • Keith Li

      Remember that Alex got demoted the in middle of the season?

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Touche.

      • Doc

        AS got demoted due to a concussion AND CK was performing on the field. Unlike our Chiefs that automatically put in players when they return after an absence despite the fact that there replacements were producing. I.e., Charles for LJ. Charles was tearing it up, but as soon as LJ was cleared from his four week suspension, he was back to an automatic starter. Gannon for Gbac. Gannon was producing on the field but when Grbac came back from concussion, he was back to starting automatically. San Fran does not have the man crush on top name players when there replacements are producing on the field while they are out. It is called a team for a reason and I suspect AR and JD will follow this pattern and keep the players that producing on the field for the betterment of the team and the fans. IMHO.

        • Keith Li

          I was just suggesting how Alex could have been familiar with AJJ in the scout team last year, in respond to the comment I was replying to.

    • More Faves

      Of course not. Unlike Baldwin, he never showed enough to get #1 Reps, on a team that desperately needed him to be a 1st stringer, he couldn’t even dress on game days. The 49ers ripped off the Chiefs in a trade again. We need to avoid the phone when these guys call.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Eh, I don’t know. Baldwin has more natural God-given ability, but he stinks at getting off the jam and running routes. Jenkins runs good routes and he’s significantly faster. I think he might be in a better position to contribute at this point.

        Jenkins had more in front of him than Baldwin did.
        Moss, Manningham, Crabtree…

        Here there was Bowe. And he wasn’t competing with him for a spot.

        • More Faves

          Moss was done, Manningham was hurt, and still AJ couldn’t get on the field. He is faster. That’s about it.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Manningham played until Week 13. Moss played to the end of the season. There was more in front of Jenkins than there was in front of Baldwin.

            I don’t know that he’ll pan out, but… I do know that the Niners had three or four guys he would’ve had to beat out to start.

        • David Fritch

          Good point

  • micah stephenson

    Its funny how people was saying we loaded at wr and just needed a QB. Now we got this bum A.Smith and its we just need some wrs. If A.Smith can’t win with these wrs, how cud Cassel?

    • Suzi Conger

      micah, several people have encouraged you to follow the jets; to watch your hero Geno fail as he has been ‘performing’ so far… O I get it, AS11 is supposed to pass and catch the ball too, lol Tell me micah, how’s your hero Geno doing? Got his autograph yet? BTW; remember when I said , ‘even if AS11 led KCC to SB, you’d b bad-mouthing him’ ? You are simply a ‘AS hater’

      Get a grip micah, it’s 2 games PreSeason…saints 1 vs 1′s first session (the real indicator) was fab and SF was SB contender… sheeesh, I can see you know nothing about OL protection vs sacks/rushes/pressure… our OL will get better, gel with some time…

      ok micah, here’s your new earned name, ‘ASHater’…lol CHIEFS!

      • Justin R Groth

        You know your kind of hateful. Micah (like me) doesn’t hate AS11 just isn’t impressed and isn’t happy about how many of the reasons that were used to point out how bad Cassel was are the same excuses to why Alex is bad.

        • Montez K.

          There is a difference between no being impressed and being negative…if you check our this Micah character’s comments–that’s all he does is troll this site and talk negative…everyone has their own opinion but he has a history of being negative and I think this is why Suzi approached him in that matter.

          • micah stephenson

            What!!!!! I Rarely say anything bad about the Chiefs. Alex Smith himself us what in not impressed with. I was the last person on the Cassel bandwangon. I was driving it, it was on fire and 2 feet away from diving off a steep cliff before I finally jumped off. When everybody hated Cassel, I wasn’t sayinng yall trolling/hating. If the Chiefs had Arron Rogers at QB I wouldn’t have much bad about the team to say.

        • Jim Harper

          Justin, you would do well to not show your ignorance with such statements. Cassel and AS11 are night and day different. Cassel’s completion pct. and turnovers are astronomically different. Cassel is up to his old tricks in Minnesota as yesterday he had a turnover for a TD.

          • BurtGummer44

            I’ve posted over and over again their career stats and they are as close to identical as can be. As a matter of fact they have the EXACT SAME TOTAL QBR of 46.6. Here’s the link:

            http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/73128/inside-slant-alex-smith-vs-matt-cassel

            So enough with the delusional ignorance on your part. Facts may be inconvenient to you but they are what they are.

          • Danny W

            Yeah Smith isn’t the next coming of Joe Montana. Hell at this point I just hope he’s at least the next coming of Rich Gannon.

          • Jim Harper

            I was not talking to you. The stats you speak of include the early years of a completely dysfunctional franchise with multiple coaches and changed OC’s with a new playbook every year. If you want an accurate comparison then compare his stats after Harbaugh came in and stabilized the team. Delusional ignorance indeed.

          • BurtGummer44

            Cassel also had multiple coaches and OC’s and his best year was when Charlie Weiss stabilized things for a short time period. The comparisons are valid, no matter how you delusional AS Homers try to twist it. Even under Harbaugh, AS was and is a bottom dweller on 3rd downs…………the down where QB play matters most.

          • Chiefswatch

            YOU ARE NOT DEFENDING MATT CASSEL STILL ARE YOU??????

          • Justin R Groth

            I think he is more showing that there similarities between AS and MC

          • BurtGummer44

            I never defended him, I know a mediocre QB when I see one, and AS screams Mediocrity.

          • Suzi Conger

            102. QB rating, 85+% accuracy/completion, and an opening drive TD = mediocrity? …sad

          • Jim Harper

            The comparisons are not valid, no matter how YOU attempt to spin it. I will no longer respond to you as you are just not worth the effort or the insults, so get our your copy of Guns and Ammo, lock yourself in the bathroom and entertain yourself.

          • Justin R Groth

            How is that not valid? Because it doesn’t show AS11 as up to par with Brady? Again before I get told how much better Alex is better than Cassel, I acknowledge and understand that A>C, however their careers are similar in distinction and discontinuaty in coaching. However the NFL is a what have you done for me lately and AS11 had a good year and a half. Now I only care what he does as a chief and so far in the PREseason he has had one good drive and one bad half.

          • Justin R Groth

            Dysfunction not distinction.

          • Jim Harper

            It is preseason Justin. That is the time when all teams are trying to find who is going to make the team and where they need improvement. It is not a time for judgements. Denver got severely spanked by Seattle over the weekend. Does that make Denver a bad team? No!

          • BurtGummer44

            Translation: You can’t handle the truth!

          • Suzi Conger

            lol

          • at49

            AS11 had a passer rating in top 5 or 6 both on 3rd down and red zone the year before JH was coach. That’s with a Jimmy Ray offense. JH’s first year he broke Joe Montana’s record for 4th quarter comebacks with 5 or 6. He’s a gamer. He has always been difficult to evaluate because of the unsettled nature of the team during his era, Not only new offenses every year, most of them were crappy. Along with a poor OL and a poor receiving corps. This year should be interesting.

          • Suzi Conger

            well said at49

          • micah stephenson

            If you are gone to throw out the yrs alex was bad becuase of surrounding players and coaches, you must throw out Cassels yr of playing with bad coaches too.

          • Chiefswatch

            I don’t give one turd about total QBR all you need is a set of eyes to know it’s nearly impossible to be as shitty as Matt Cassel. How about you compare QBR over the last two years?? Different story isn’t it?

          • Justin R Groth

            The rewason you don’t do that is because it doesn’t solve the question of if the reason for Smith suddenly doing better was because of JH or because of Smith. As far as plain to the eye difference in 2010 SF and KC played each other and most people would have told you that MC was WAY better than, then? i get those mixed up, AS.

          • Justin R Groth

            Ok Jim you going to have to defend that comment. How am I showing ignorance in saying that there are people who are making excuses for Alex that mirror the reasons why Cassel sucked? Also I have said multiple timesAS11< Cassel. However I have no delusions of the fact that AS has had issues in the past and so far as a chief he has had one good drive and.one badish half.

          • Jim Harper

            I am done with you Justin. As Ron White put it so perfectly, “You can’t fix stupid”.

          • Justin R Groth

            Why Jim because I’m giving logical points? Because I need more conving then someone calling me stupid. you know you should not call people out about class when you refuse to respectfully disagree. The fact you choose to call names and refuse to have a healthy debate shows a lack of development in the maturity department.

          • Suzi Conger

            But justin, you are not giving logical points…

            I do want to thank you for inspiring me to do some research on your incorrect prior comments to me “AS11 caused his own sacks’ and “it was AS11′s fault for the OLine’s ‘failure’…incorrect statements. I found an incredibly good break-down (and film) by an Un-Biased superb writer….Fantastic and professional analysis that rely’s on fact, not mythology! I’ll get back to you and provide the link for your viewing (you never got back with me with your ‘proof’ ), Have friends here n watchin a movie… CHIEFS!

          • Justin R Groth

            Here are my break down’s of the three sacks, if you say I’m biased after this then you didn’t read them very well or watch the tape, I may be over demanding of AS11 but if he is “one of the best” then he should live up to it:

            Three plays AS11 was sacked.

            First play of the second drive for the first offense five
            defenders on the line NO BLITZ CALL FROM ALEX, BA crashes down to guy on
            inside, one defender shoots outside of him clean shot to Alex. Corners were playing very soft should have
            been a hot route called, BA should have blocked man on outside. Fault on this play AS and BA. Formation
            Shotgun.

            On second Down 5:47 in second quarter Shotgun. Four men on
            the line, the LB is lined up over the TE. Disguises blitz pretty well. However the TE is in the slot with a safety directly
            over the top of him. LB makes a move
            towards the los timing Alex’s snap count perfectly. Alex actually has a decent enough
            time despite Fisher being beat by the blitzer. Noticed the safety over the TE
            also blitzed, TE should have been the target. Looked like he was wanting Bowe
            and was about to throw when he pulled it down. Soft coverage on Bowe, no blitz
            call made, no hot route called, sack equals a loss of four yards.

            Last play of the half, soft coverage on Bowe again. Not sure what the Chiefs call this formation
            however the Broncobusters called it Split I (doesn’t even look like an “I”). Alex is under center. RILB does have itchy feet and is inching up
            to the line, again seems to have Alex’s snap count down. Alex Smith initially looks to Bowe and nearly
            pulls trigger only to change his mind and eat the sack. Decently disguised blitz initially picked up Alex
            had enough time to get the job done however coverage was good according to
            telecaster. I remember Matt Cassel
            getting chewed out by Todd Haley for taking a sack on the last play of the
            second half; there is a time to be causes and a time to let it rip. Fault you can say on the WR for not being open
            enough for AS to feel safe, or you can say AS should have went for it since it
            was the end of the half.

        • berttheclock

          Justin, Micah is a hater and much of it is due to Geno Smith not being drafted by the Chiefs.

        • Suzi Conger

          justin, check your buddy micah’s post to me below; referring to AS11 as “Ass11″… there’s your example of a ‘hater’,, it is obviously a blind personal prejudice and not just about ‘not impressed’…

          Are you sayin that you are not impressed with a 85+% QB completion%, a 102. QB rating, and a first drive TD?…just curious..

          You see, you don’t need to speak for micah , he shows ‘his true colors’ just fine on his own….just sayin

          • Justin R Groth

            No, I am not impressed by those stats in one single drive, however if he can sustain that production I would be impressed however I seriously doubt he could. You know what else doesn’t impress me? His lack of use of our WR’s but I will not judge him on that till we are in Florida.

          • Suzi Conger

            U r ignoring AReid’s multiple statements that AS executes what play HE (AR) tells him to execute…so gripe at AR, not AS…
            The Pitt game AR ‘gave the keys to the car’ to AS11, and gee whatdaya know, wr’s were used by AS.

            BTW; the OL protection rated a ‘D grade’ by nfl, pff, and re-play analytical play tape (nothing to do with QB set-up) up until the last two minutes of the 2nd qrtr… geez, once the OL started protecting (and not getting run-over), wa la, a 3pt and a TD!! Now, wasn’t that a great 38 YD run (to avoid a Sack) by AS11?

            PSS.. AS11 = 71% completion%, KC vs Pitt
            BenR = 68% ” ”
            * Equal Pass Yds. (nearly)
            * 1 TD each

            Good News; when our OL gets ‘up to speed’ just think what AS11 , RB’s and receivers can do for KCC! CHIEFS!

      • 44WinMag

        Exactly how long have you been a Chiefs fan?

        • Jim Harper

          What does that have to do with anything? I will tell you how long I have been if you think it is important. I have been a Chiefs fan since they were the Dallas Texans. Suzi may be new to the Chiefs, but she obviously has a firm grasp of the game.

          • 44WinMag

            She has a firm grasp of nothing except Alex Smith. She’s a AS groupie fan not a Chiefs Fan. A noob, groupie. Her previous attempt to explain the WCO proves she’s a know nothing noob, who engages in personal attacks on any Chiefs fan who even expresses minor doubts about her precious Alex Smith. As soon as AS isn’t a Chief she’s gone, and the sooner the better in my book.

          • Jim Harper

            Why all the name calling? Show a little class, man, but I guess that is what you are doing, (showing very little class)

          • BurtGummer44

            Naaah, he’s right. She’s an obvious AS Troll. He can do no wrong in her eyes, and if you point out a blemish she’s the one who throws out the name calling. Class is as class does.

          • Jim Harper

            Well at least YOU are taking the high road, right?

          • Suzi Conger

            Another of your many untrue statements 44. As I have said before, I feel sorry for you and hope you feel better soon.. I recommend a University class to you “Logical and Critical Thinking” so you can educate yourself with ‘fallacies’ and what they are… if you can comprehend, possibly you would stop speaking in/with fallacy
            Good luck to you!!
            PS..if you provide a mailing address, I will send you some water-wings for Christmas…you know, when your walking-on-water fails, and you start sinking, lol just kidding :-)

          • BurtGummer44

            TROLL

          • Suzi Conger

            LOL there you go again with your typical childish temper name-calling.

            Hey, my doc friend here has checked out your posts directed at me; here is your problem … “male-menopause”…low/no tetosterone… irritability, mood swings, ED, irrational behavior. Doc says you can get tetosterone suppliments otc….good luck to you…
            CHIEFS!

      • micah stephenson

        Geno is hurt so he ain’t playing now. Ass11 looked average playing agianst the worst defense. He looked beliw average against the best defense. Wss the avg of below avg and avg?

        • superman_25_58

          AS11 looked average playing against the worst defense? If driving down the field and scoring 7pts without using one WR is average than Ill take the average all day long.

        • Suzi Conger

          you would call 87% completion% , 102. QB rating, and a first drive TD ‘ below average’ ? …like I’ve said before, if AS11 led a SB Win, you’d still be trashing him. Too bad you don’t comprehend WCO and QB skills….

          Geno played before his ‘injury’….extremely poor performance, wasn’t it? I feel confident that you cannot admit the truth

          PS…your alluding to AS11 as ‘ Ass11′ demonstrates perfectly your intense prejudice and ‘hater’ character.

          • micah stephenson

            Yes it was avg. Its wat all check downs and short throws against the worst defense in the lg. Y u keep bringing up Geno Smith? He had a few series as a rookie. Alex has had 8 yrs. Can Geno get a yr under his belt. Hell can he get 1 game in before you declare him bad?

          • Suzi Conger

            Like I said, you do not comprehend WCO, the definition of ‘check down passing, and QB skills

            lol, you make excuses for geno, but not AS11? Why does this not surprise me? CHIEFS!

    • berttheclock

      Micah, “WHO” was saying that? If anything, most fans were complaining the Chiefs had only Bowe and really needed to upgrade the other receivers. I have never read any comment at either the Star or here which proclaimed “we were loaded at WR”. The opposite was true, instead.

      • Jim Harper

        Right you are!

        • Suzi Conger

          Ditto

      • BurtGummer44

        It was a regular meme all last year among Chiefs fans. How soon we forget. Everyone thinks we have a highly talented offensive team on paper, all that was lacking was a QB. I beg to differ, outside of Charles we got a bunch of underachievers.

        • Suzi Conger

          berttheclock is correct; “who’?..what is your source micah and 44? ” it was a regular meme…….among Chiefs fans’. = fallacy “Everyone” is a fallacy .
          “outside of Charles we got (have, sorry) a bunch of underachievers” WOW…that means that every KCC team player is an underachiever (except JC)….thanx u for your words of wisdom ..another cup-half-empty lesson in life

          • BurtGummer44

            You weren’t even a Chiefs last year, but like a troll you ignorantly comment anyway. Troll with a Capital T. BTW, 2-14 is Underachieving in anyone’s book.

          • Suzi Conger

            Gosh 44, speaking of ignorant… your statement is referring to present tense “we have” is present tense, not past tense. “we got” means “we have” in the context of your useage…

            I’m sure there must be a Junior College in your area teaching English Grammer, and ‘Logical and Critical Thinking; Recognizing Fallacy,,, and o yea, pick up a Thesaurus/Synonym directory; it will help you to be more creative with your Name-Calling …’troll’ has become mundane (grab a dictionary, too) CHIEFS!!

            Of course silly, 2-14 is underachieving; but that was last year, and this is ’13, lol

      • Suzi Conger

        Ditto, true

    • 44WinMag

      At least this coaching staff realizes early on they got a problem in AS, and that he is severely limited. Unlike like the last regime with Cassel that refused to acknowledge the obvious. We’ll likely have a top 12 draft pick in 2014, I hope they can parlay it into a Franchise QB. Or Maybe, Just Maybe Reid can “Fix” AS……………either way we’re about to find out.

      • Suzi Conger

        “…this coaching staff realizes……got a problem in AS….limited” Where, what, who is your reliable credible source for such a statement 44, your words of wisdom ?….over lunch with AR, or JD? You seem to have incredible ‘insider information’…

        • Lewis Rigor

          Okay time for me to break my silence. I cant believe the nasty attacks on Suzi only to pasify your own hate. If you feel the need to attack a person based only on hate the go play in your basement and leave her alone. By the way I too have dropped my support of the 9ers and will be pulling for Alex and the Chiefs

      • Suzi Conger

        sources ?

    • Chiefswatch

      It is one receiver jackass. We still do have Avery, McCluster, Bowe; three really good pass catching tight ends, and Jamaal Charles. I guarantee their production jumps a great deal with A Smith at the helm disproving any notion that Cassel = A Smith. You are getting pathetic.

      • micah stephenson

        Watch yo mouth p***y. You don’t know who the f**k you talking to bi**h!

        • Chiefswatch

          Oh I am real scared internet tough guy. Your hatred of the AS Smith deal is pathetic and you will be proven wrong. I am not even a fan of AS and know this truth. You troll like a jackass so I Called you one. But oh no!!!! I am going to get beat up. How well do you think “black guy injures Decorated Marine unprovoked at NFL game” would go for you anyway. Not only a jackass but as well a moron. Lol

          • micah stephenson

            No you the Internet wana b tuff guy. I know you wouldnt have the balls to call me a jack ass to my face but you real bold on the internet. Talking bout the chiefs is one thing but calling me names is different. That’s disrespectful and in my hood you get f***ked up for that. I done whooped somebody’s ass at the chiefs game then when right back to my seat and sat and watched the rest of the game. How well do you think black guy f**ks up shit talking p**sy for being disrespectfull and thinking the police can do anything but call you an abulance and write up a report.

          • Chiefswatch

            Oh I can be all types of weak and still call you a jackass. Only a moron would fight beyond the age of 30 and you are one of those guys apparently. I was checking vehicles scared I was going to get blown up while you were beating up fellow Chiefs fans in ArrowHead stadium. Can’t think why you would need to do that……ROFL. Oh now I am a racist because I called you a black guy….lol I said that because I know how the media in that republican joke midwest would play it up. Not to say you could beat me up with your flailing arms and tears in your eyes because someone called you a name. F Off loser

      • micah stephenson

        Watch yo mouth . If you was standing in front of me and called me jackass I wud beat the s**t out of you. But I know you wouldn’t have the balls to say that to my face. Talking bout the chiefs is one thing , calling me names and disrespecting me is something different, something that will get you f***ked up!!!

  • Priest4Prez

    Baldwin has gotten more attention today then he has on the field his whole career. hahaha

    • paul pace

      Here, here!

  • Suzi Conger

    Wow….PoppyCock….This is the first (and only!) that I’ve heard or read that ’2 of the 3′ passes were ‘uncatchable’!…even BayArea game commentators (and my SF9er housemate and numerous other SF9er’s) were reporting that AS11 would have led a TD, possibly Two TD’s if he had adequate receivers and OLine! PFF does not report ‘uncatchable’ )

    OLine protection for AS11 receives a grade of “D+” (allowed 70+% AS’s plays swarmed with sacks/rushes/pressure and below adequate receiver play:dropped well-executed passes Consider the Saints’ game when AS11 had adequate OL protection; (even then the only incomplete/throwaway from AS in 1st session was due to a near-sack/OL breakdown) TD in first 1 on 1′s session, 85+% accuracy/completion% and QB rating of 102.

    It’s encouraging that our QB AS11 displayed superior QB skills than DBrees and ck7, don’t you think? You will recall that ck7 has #1 NFL OLine protection; zero sacks/pressure/rushes and still no TD’s in two Games!! vs KCC, ck7 ‘s production (even with ‘perfect’ protection) was a -3 pass and a (truly) uncatchable Over-Throw to a wide open SF receiver in the redzone, with no pressure/rushes/sacks :-)

    It’s not a matter of ‘AS11′s confidence” at stake Patrick, it’s a matter of losing games with a poor inconsistent receiver

    It is a well-known fact that SF had garbage’ chaotic horrific Coaching and Management ’05 – ’10 ; everybody knows it requires talented coaches, management and talented atheletes to accomplish that ‘magic’ winning club…For Example, Dingletary benched VDavis too. Hmmm, well shucks it’s true that VDavis is a pretty ‘poor play’ receiver too.. he’s still ‘tweeting’ how much AS11 improved his game and how great a QB he is

    A QB can only demonstrate his QB skills with a talented supporting cast; Good OL protection and receivers that can catch and hold.

    I realize that you are a AS11 skeptic/ borderline ‘hater’, but it does not help KCC to emphasize (your opinion) the ‘negative’ and omit all the great positives, like the Fact that his QB skills surpassed ck7 and DBrees CHIEFS!

    • Justin R Groth

      Seriously Suzi? AS11 overthrew Baldwin TWICE in the same drive if I remember right. Look not every stat that doesn’t show Alex as a golden boy isn’t an attack its life. AS11 isn’t perfect by anymeans,its his job to call blitz picks which he failed to do on each of his sacks. Also I am pretty sure I commented to you about the two over throws before, honestly though I’m not sure let me check.

      • superman_25_58

        Who cares if he over threw Baldwin twice? If he would of threw the damn ball in the spot it needed to be at Baldwin would of still dropped it and or tipped it up for an interception. I had high hopes for Baldwin but after being at the game with my boys and seeing him drop a very easy catch over the middle for a first down, I was hoping his ass got cut. If you notice Jenkins might be a little raw but atleast his ass can catch atleast 50% of the catchable balls thrown his way, unlike Baldwin who catches 10%.

        • Justin R Groth

          The fact he was overthrown twice is important not because of Baldwin, but Alex.

          • superman_25_58

            What QB in the NFL is 100% perfect with their throws?……………………….. I’ll help you out a little bit, the answer is…………………….. NONE!!! Get over it!!

          • Justin R Groth

            ok Kryptonian that’s two strikes, twice you missed the point of my comment on this post. You see Suzi called poppy cock (bs) on the fact that Smith threw two bad throws. Ok now to actually answer your unnecessarly sarcastic omme

          • Suzi Conger

            justin fails to recognize is that AS11 was totally swarmed with rushes/pressure/sacks and accuracy, and/or the lack there-of is the point for an opposing D to pressure and blitz. The brite side is that our Offense has now some valuable tools for improvement after dealing with arguably the best D in the nfl. The other postive point that I attempted to point out, is that at least AS11 accomplished some yardage and has performed superior to ck7 who has the luxury of the best protected QB in nfl; virtually zero pressure/sacks/rushes and still has not executed/accomplished a TD this year! ( -3 yard pass and a Red-Zone Over-Throw failure to an open receiver last Fri)

            Our QB is fine; 85+% completion%/accuracy, 102. QB rating and an opening drive TD (when OL protection was adequate and receivers weren’t dropping) CHIEFS!

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Frankly Suzi, I don’t think you understood the article even a little. It kind of seems like you have a preconceived notion about my opinion of Smith (which is wrong) and are focusing only on that.

      Two of the three passes WERE uncatchable. Go back and watch them. One was about 10 yards out of bounds and the other Baldwin was shoved and knocked of his route and there was safety help.

      Finally, this isn’t an anti-Alex article, as you seem to think, but a pro-Alex, anti-Baldwin article. As I point out, Dorsey was making a shrewd move by getting rid of Baldwin early instead of drawing out the inevitable. Confidence is important for all QBs, but especially Alex, who has performed poorly in the past. It is essential he does not regress but continues to progress and my point, which I think was pretty clear, was that Baldwin would not have helped him in that and that is why I applauded the trade.

      Sheesh

      • 44WinMag

        Ehhhh, she’s an Alex Smith internet groupie. It’s a small club but vocal.

        • Suzi Conger

          Hey little boy, you still have never addressed the issues with substantiated supportable facts…get with it; try to grow-up

      • Suzi Conger

        Frankly Patrick, of course I understand your article perfectly, I merely don’t agree with some of your points; big difference between comprehension and disagreement.

        For example; your ‘AS self-confidence theory’….Did you hear that trade reason from JD or AR or ?…or is it your own theory? I would guess the latter because all AR and JD have ever expressed is that AS11 is extremely intelligent and self-confident; therefore one would know that AS11 is very capable of perspective; JB has receiver problems with performance efficiency…no reflection of poor QB skills. Naw, I’m going to go with all the other professional trade theories expressed; nothing to do with ‘bolstering/maintaining AS’s self-confidence’

        Sheesh…good time to agree to disagree… CHIEFS!

    • 44WinMag

      Man, lay off whatever you’re smoking……..it’s giving you a serious case of “Beer Goggles”.

      • Suzi Conger

        Please grow up, my child…

      • superman_25_58

        Man, lay off whatever you’re smoking……..it’s giving you a serious case of “Beer Goggles”?????? Since when does smoking anything give you BEER GOGGLES? I feel I’m getting dumber by reading this statement

    • Joe Myers

      Wow girl . While your rambling misplaced as it was mad a few good points . It is about losing games with poor and inconsistent wr play . Thats why he’s gone and that’s the point of the article !!!! Calm down thiers more football !!

      • Suzi Conger

        ‘mad a few good points’ ? Now you calm down Joe and read carefully… the point of the article is that JB is gone in order to preserve AS’s QB self-confidence… So you see, in reality you agree with me that JB is gone because of his sub-standard performance …the title to the article illustrates the main point of this article….

        I merely agree with the quotes from AReid, JDorsey, Pederson covered in numerous articles regarding the trade. I’d be happy to supply you with the sources providing AR, et al quotes/comments if you like?

        • Joe Myers

          Your taking the same notion chosing one side and arguing the other. If baldwin was good and didn’t drop passes the confidence wouldn’t be shaken . Really you have 0 argument . … I even had to stop go back read the article again to make sure thier was not something between the lines I missed . Seems like your argument is about Alex’s confidence ???? Idk whatever moving on .

          • Suzi Conger

            Not true Joe… you are missing and not reading my points, as well as the articles’ points re/ ‘confidence’… yes, ittmo
            I agree to disagree with you CHIEFS!

  • berttheclock

    I await Baldwin’s first meltdown with CK and Harbaugh. In college, he was miffed with Sunseri and the coaching staff of Wannstedt. With the Chiefs, dropped passes or missed communications were never his fault, but, the QB or the coaching staff. Baldwin has never owned up to being wrong in his life. So, young petulant Mr Baldwin, I await the day you yell back at CK.

  • Andy

    I like the trade for two reasons. 1. We got something for Baldwin. Since most WR take three years to “get it”, Jenkins still has some time. Baldwin has time, but has shown no improvement. 2. We can let some of our younger guys step up and see what they have instead of waiting on Baldwin, thus stunning their growth.
    My worst fear is yet another Chief (the list is rather large) wins a Super Bowl.

    • tm1946

      If Baldwin plays well for SF, got to be happy for the kid. What talent he has was well hidden while here. If he wins a ring using his skills, he deserves it.

  • Jared Watson

    I’m wondering if the Baldwin disappearing act this offseason is more due to the difference in this year’s defense and less due to Baldwin actually disappearing??

    • KCMikeG

      Hit the nail on the head! Anyone could look good against our DB’s last year.

  • Nico Marquez

    Bring in Brandon Lloyd and your WR problem is gone

    • Danny W

      I believe it’s gonna have to be someone outside of Jenkins.

    • Chiefswatch

      Agreed why the hell is he not signed.

      • kcpauly

        Maybe cutting Baldwin will give us a little breathing room on the cap and we can bring someone(Lloyd?) in
        Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • micah stephenson

    This Jenkins character has 0 catches in 3 nfl games. This is the 1st time in over 13 yrs a team has traded they 1st rd pick after 1 yr. On 610 radio they dug up a lil info on the guy and he is known for being dum and lazy/unmotivated. Wow! I can’t believe how many people are happy about this trade wen it sounds like the 49s beat us again.

    • Danny W

      We’re in agreement here.

    • Chiefswatch

      I dont see anyone talking about how Jenkins will be a positive for the team. No instead it is the idea that Baldwin is an impediment to this team’s offensive success. Nobody won in this trade. San Fran is getting a bust, we are getting a bust. I could care less if he goes on to San Fran and somehow learns to catch a damn ball. So many variables would exist that you could never state “if only we waited.” This story got no attention on ESPN that I saw today when I watched and for good reason. It’s barely a story. The only story is that loser was our #2 Receiver.

      • Suzi Conger

        Thank you, good take

    • berttheclock

      “dum”? How does making the All Academic Big Ten team two years in a row equate with being dumb?

      • micah stephenson

        I’m telling you wat they wur saying on the radio. I don’t know the guy. I’m just repeating wat the guys on the air said.

        • berttheclock

          er, “repeating wat the guys on the air said” is akin to reading a Wiki thread without knowing who wrote the article. Large heapings of salt should accompany each of them.

        • superman_25_58

          Well quit repeating everything you hear on the radio bc half the people talking on the radio are dipshits anyways.

    • berttheclock

      “dum” – Do you mean half of a dumdum .303 caliber bullet designed by Captain Neville Bertie-Clay and manufactured at the DumDum Arsenal, just outside Calcutta, India?

      • micah stephenson

        No I dumb as in the lights are on but nobody is home. Lol

  • Doc

    IMHO – Baldwin has maturity issues. When he first came here he flapped his gums in the locker room and Jones put I’m in his place. His second year he was the go to man while Bowe held out of camp. As soon as Bowe signed and JB went to the #2 WR, he sulked all the rest of the year and his performance (or lack thereof) showed on the field. He is in his third year and still is not showing the talent that he is claimed to possess. I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt (locker room incident, player lock out) but he has not lived up to expectations. This is a good move by JD to trade him now while they can still get some ‘worth’ for him. Getting the Jenkins and cutting him later (if he doesn’t work out) saves us on the cap space hit that Baldwin would have caused us. Plus it gives us a draft pick next year. As the situation is at it stands, this is the best possible outcome. Now if we can just get some trade value for Stanzi………..

  • erocks49ers

    I think Jenkins was a good trade. When AS11 was demoted to backup, he probably got a lot of practice time with Jenkins. They probably have chemistry already

    • BurtGummer44

      Hell with that logic we might as well trade for the 49ers entire 2nd string offense.

      • Chiefswatch

        lol

      • berttheclock

        Considering Baalke put more depth into the Niners than Pioli did with the Chiefs, that might not be a bad idea.

  • BurtGummer44

    Does it really matter who plays WR, when TEs and RBs are the top targets?

    http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/alexcassel.gif

    • Danny W

      This^

    • berttheclock

      In 2011, when AS was the full time QB for Harbaugh, he completed 273 passes. Kaepernick was a rookie and only threw 5 passes and completed 3. Out of those 273 passes, his two main targets were Crabtree for 73 catches and Vernon Davis for 67. The remainder was spread out among the RBs, FB, other TE and receivers. So, under the system of Harbaugh, which is very similar to that of Reid, Alex Smith concentrated on hitting his best wide out and his best tight end. Practice games are simply practice games and one will never see the full play book.

    • chiefridgy

      The difference here is Alex Smith was getting hit right after he threw…Castle was not. Smith was under pressure

  • Danny W

    Honestly it doesn’t seem thus far that Alex Smith can hit a receiver any way. All I’m getting so far is a good check down thrower (Alex Smith) over a bad check down thrower (Matt Cassel). He made one decent throw to Jon Baldwin and respect to Smith it hit him in the hands. Before and after that I’ve seen absolutely nothing impressive. Definitely not something I would describe as wildly successful. Wildly average to below average thus far. I will agree on one thing though. With two second round picks Jon Dorsey and Andy Reid have absolutely hitched their wagons go Smith.

    • Chiefswatch

      Agreed of course. Though you are stating (and it’s true) that Cassel is certainly shittier than Smith. I am not defending Smith at all but to state Cassel is like Smith is simply giving too much credit to Cassel and I cannot see that happen.

    • ArrowFan

      Baldwin was hand delivered a perfect pass in stride and dropped it. I’m not saying you are wrong or disagreeing with you but Bowe would have taken that pass a long way down the field.

      • micah stephenson

        Uh huh? The safety popped Baldwin right after the dropped pass. He actually set baldwin up on that one like Cassel use to do.

    • micah stephenson

      Truth!!!

      • Suzi Conger

        mythology

        • Justin R Groth

          No it’s fact that Smith has yet to complete a pass to a receiver not wearing 22.

          • Suzi Conger

            mythology…I’ll let you figure it out

          • Justin R Groth

            No still is a fact that it wasn’t till this last game, which happened after my comment., thus it was a legitimate concern. thanks for playing.

  • Pessimisticchiefsfan

    Two words… Brandon Lloyd.

  • chiefridgy

    Everyone was calling for Baldwin to be cut and now that he’s gone everyone is bitching. At least we didn’t just cut him, we got something in return.

    • tm1946

      Besides it may help both to have a career in the NFL.

  • ArrowFan

    You sir are dead on I agree.

    • kcpauly

      Well out of all the name callers, “Trolls”, haters, and just general jackass’s on here at least we have Bert to bring intelligent and thoughtful insights from time to time
      Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!

      • ArrowFan

        Who is Bert?

        • kcpauly

          Berttheclock

  • berttheclock

    Now, begins the moment of which AJ Jenkins will appear at One Arrowhead? The young man who racked up yardage and TDs against Northwestern and Indiana and scored a 60 yard TD against UCLA? The young man who made the All Academic Big 10 team two years in a row? Or will he still be the young man who was cowed by trying to make the transition into the NFL when he arrived in SF?
    SF tried to make him into a fly pattern outside threat. He might be better suited to brought along on shorter inside routes with the Chiefs until his confidence is restored. He is only 23 and still could be developed by Reid’s excellent assistants.
    I have read comments about his lack of work ethic, yet, I have also read where he was considered to be a gym rat, especially, in comparison to Michael Crabtree. So, which AJ will show up? The young man who caught 12 passes against Northwestern, terrorized Indiana and put UCLA to the wall with his 60 yarder or the somewhat baffled fellow who was slow to develop in SF?

    • Suzi Conger

      well said

  • Montez K.

    I think they accidentally got on the wrong buses after the preseason game and everyone just decided it didn’t really matter anyway.

  • kcpauly

    I find it interesting how an article about two scrubby wr’s has Chiefdom, bickering, hating, and name calling, like we are a bunch of Faider fans, come on guys, we are better than this, and WHO? really gives two shits about either one of these bums until one/both of them do anything?, lets all play nice now :~))
    Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • unclejesse40

    Does anyone here think that Brandon Lloyd would be a good fit here in KC? If so would we be able to fit him in under the cap realistically?

  • Jamie Denton

    I am hoping the familiarity between A. Smith and Jenkins turns out to be a good thing, as we could definitely use something more than just Bowe! all the 49er’s had to do was double cover him and they pretty much shut down our WR’s and this allowed them to blitz more! They have already moved Avery to the number 2 WR position which I think is a wise move, and I like having Dex as a slot guy but worry about him returning kicks, and playing slot! As for the O-line I truly don’t think the Chiefs game planned for that type of game with so many blitzes, I think they figured it would be more vanilla! But you can’t put all of the blame on the line, some of the blame goes to the ones calling out the protection schemes, I mean they could have read blitz and changed the play at the line! Just my opinion!

    • Suzi Conger

      got some good points Jamie…ran accross a totally fab article with film breaking down our offense vs SF… seems you’d enjoy…www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/8/18/4631266/chiefs-play-of-the-week-pre-season-game-2-w-gifs CHIEFS

      • Jamie Denton

        Thanks Suzi! Took a look at the article and really enjoyed it! It really broke things down properly, and I never thought I would say this but thanks coach Harbaugh for showing our weaknesses now so that we will have the time to improve on them before the season starts! You know in some kind of really weird way I truly think he wants A. Smith to succeed as the starting QB with the Chiefs and this was his way of exposing a weakness that the team can work on and get better at to give him a better chance of being successful!

  • ninermd

    Oh boy. Are you chiefs fans in for a treat with this Suzy girl. She is an Alex smith groupie. That use to go by the name of ds on a 49er blog called the press democrat. She claimed to be a 49er fan like she is claiming to be a chiefs fan. In reality she is an Alex smith stalker, and will defend him to her dying day. Ds/Suzy is a troll. The more you argue with this troll the more this lonely troll breathes. As soon as smith was benched this troll bashed the 49ers and ck7. No chiefs fan knows about sf more than her. As a faithful I am sorry to say that not only is Alex smith your problem now, ds/Suzy is also your problem. There is a way of getting along with this troll. Agree that no matter what… Alex Smith is the greatest qb to ever lace them up. She will become a lifelong friend and have your back until the ship has totally sunk. I’ve read her comment for years, an there is NO way she can not deny this. Unless this Suzy character is a regular on here before last season. Good luck Chiefs fans. I know your fan base are well educated on football and love the team before a player. Good luck to you guys and Alex Smith. Go Niners!!!!!

    • micah stephenson

      Lol. I think Alex Smith musta hit that cus he is god in her books. There is not one thing wrong with Alex in her book.

    • Suzi Conger

      your grammer is difficult to read because it is so poor. However, you are delusional; I have never blogged as ‘ds’ and/or on The Press Democrat… whew you and micah are pitiful and display ignorance…
      Get a Life, Get a Grip… nothin better to do than jump on a KC sight…sad you are