Chiefs’ Andy Reid Impressed With Tyler Bray

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The Kansas City Chiefs won’t practice again until training camp begins in late-July but head coach Andy Reid told the media yesterday that he was impressed with the progress made by undrafted free agent QB, Tyler Bray.

“Yeah, I’ll tell you, he did a nice job,” said Reid.”He did a really nice job. You never know until you get them here. He’s in a good room, so he’s got good examples around him as players. He’s got coaches that have played the game and the position in there. He’s embraced that and really focused in. The fact is that he did a nice job and improved every day. He was a bit like a sponge just taking everything in. I was impressed.”

The Chiefs almost completely overhauled their QB depth chart this offseason. The new regime jettisoned former starters Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn, electing to trade for Alex Smith. New GM John Dorsey also signed free agent Chase Daniel in free agency. Daniel is the current favorite to play the backup role to Smith.

The only QB left on the roster from 2012 is former fifth-round draft pick, Ricky Stanzi. Stanzi failed to crack the Chiefs’ starting lineup since entering the league, which was disappointing considering how poor the team’s QB play had been.

Stanzi and Bray will likely battle through most of training camp for the final QB spot on the roster.

We haven’t heard much about Stanzi this offseason so it looks like the job could be Bray’s to lose.

What do you think, Addicts? Is Stanzi getting a fair shake?

Topics: Kansas City Chiefs, Tyler Bray

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  • In_My_Opinion1

    The kid’s got a LIVE arm- he just needs to mature. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him give Chase a run for #2 by the end of camp. The sky is the limit for Bray if he can just learn what it means to be a leader and a professional.

    • Rrddbb

      I’m from the KC area and now live in central CA. Bray played high school ball in a town 20 miles south of me. He was at college level then and prolevel half way thru college. He’ll mature in a few years into the Chiefs starter and you’ll love him.

      • berttheclock

        I hope he ends up doing nearly as well as two other athletes from Kingsbury did. The Johnson brothers, Rafer and Jimmy. Rafer was one of the greatest of track and field and Jimmy is in the HOF at Canton. I, also, hope Bray’s pro career does not end as another Kingsbury product depicted when Slim Pickens rode the H-Bomb to glory from the B-52 in “Dr Strangelove”.

        • In_My_Opinion1

          LOL you crazy Bert.

        • Suzi Conger

          lol

  • ArrowFan

    Fair Shake? He has had three years to prove himself even if he has been limited to the PS he has still had ample opportunity to prove what he is worth.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Agreed. And he is stil there. He still has a chance. Gotta get it done at some point.

    • KCMikeG

      Fair shake?? So you don’t think the Cassel contract or the Haley/Pioli conflict or no rookie camp or OTA’s his rookie year had anything to do with Stanzi not getting more reps. You really believe an average of 5 passes per game over eight games when surrounded by OL/WR/TE that didn’t even make the 7-9 and 2-14 teams should be considered his chance?
      KC has been a dysfunctional, chaotic cluster since the day he showed up and to judge him on that is wasting a 5th round pick without truly understanding the potential. I watched his progression in camp last year from the previous and believe he will be our #3 QB this year. It will be exciting to see how he competes with Daniels for the #2 spot. IMO either he or Bray could be Reid’s next coach ‘em up and trade them for a 2nd rounder. Only time will tell.

      Many are excited by Bray’s big arm. Isn’t that what got Croyle to KC? How did that work out?
      Tyler Bray “Million dollar arm, two-cent brain” Built his stats vs. weak opponents lost his only bowl game appearance and was not a leader during UT’s worst record in school history. Ouch! His UT teams went a combined 16-21 overall and 5-19 in the SEC.
      http://bleacherreport.com/arti

      Stanzi put up big numbers in the 2010 season with a 157.6 quarterback rating along with 25 touchdown passes, plus 2 rushing TD’s and just 6 interceptions. Stanzi ranked 3rd in the nation in passing efficiency. Over 3,000 yard, 64.1% completions and was 3-0 in the bowl games he played. He is smarter, more mobile and has lead his teams to win the big games leading the Hawks with a 26-9 record as a starter.

      PLUS NONE of the DUH and attitude issues Bray has a history of displaying. Don’t be so quick to write off Captain America! Go Ricky!

      • Jason Seibel

        Does the Ricky flavored Kool-Aid taste like Red White and Blue?

        • KCMikeG

          Red Bull, White Lightening and Blue Streak – Yum! How does that TB Kool-Aid taste -Yuck! We shall see who is the better player come August.

          • Jason Seibel

            I’m not really drinking the Tyler Bray kool-aid, I just think Stanzi has outlived his welcome and it’s time for someone to knock him off his pedestal.

        • In_My_Opinion1

          “Does the Ricky flavored Kool-Aid taste like Red White and Blue?”

          Best comment on this thread. LOL.
          Stanzi is a dead man walking. To be honest, I really like the kid. I just don’t like him as an NFL QB playing for the Chiefs. He needs to suit up for an alternate league and prove he can be durable, read D, and make all the throws. I wasn’t impressed with anything he showed us in limited preseason snaps. We aren’t the Iowa Hawkeyes or the NCAA.

          • KCMikeG

            Really? We’re not the Hawkeyes or the NCAA? Very assute observation. We aren’t the UT or the SEC either. The college performance of a player is all we have to judge them by. Bray had major issues, couldn’t win the big games, only put up stats on none SEC teams. Stanzi has proven he can be durable, can read the D and make all the throws – Bray hasn’t.
            Stanzi put up consistent numbers and got better every year while being a leader of a winning program and helping them win the big games. There is NO way an accurate evaluation can be made over 8 games with only 5 passes attempted with NO blocking and WR’s that can’t get open. Most if not all of his supporting cast in that very limited preseason action aren’t even make the team.

          • In_My_Opinion1

            LOL, I knew I’d irritate a Stanzi lover. I can tell you this: Reid is better at QB eval than EITHER of us. Just wait to see which one gets cut (hint: it won’t be Bray).

            PS- The last time I checked, the Big Ten produced a little less NFL QB talent than the SEC and UT didn’t have much for talent around Bray either.

            Later!

          • KCMikeG

            Not irritated, just working with the facts. Definitely not a Stanzi lover as I am an ISU Cyclone alumni. I agree that Reid is a great QB evaluator and he will make the right call on who to keep. I also believe he will be able to make a trade with one of them like he did with the QB’s he didn’t want to keep in Philly.

            PS – The last time I checked Bray was 5-19 vs SEC teams – NOT impressive.

            Bray didn’t have much talent? WTH are you talking about? Tennessee has a long and proud tradition of developing some of the greatest receivers in college football history now seems destined to continue under Derek Dooley.

            Bray never led the Tennessee Volunteers to a winning record DESPITE being surrounded by some of the BEST offensive weapons in his three seasons including two players who landed among the top 34 picks in the 2013 draft. Patterson #29, Hunter #34 plus Da’Rick Rodgers, who many believe could be the most gifted of the three. In 2011, Rogers was All-SEC, catching 67 passes for 1,040 yards and nine TDs. But the off-field concerns were significant enough to cause him to slide beyond the draft. Bray didn’t have much talent around him?? You couldn’t be more wrong.

            Can you even name a Hawkeye WR that helped Stanzi be such a good QB? Bet you can’t. How many Iowa Hawkeye WR’s are playing in the NFL? None. The 7th round pick Hughes who played for us in the early 90′s and Kasper in 2001 for the donkeys. Stanzi’s best McNutt (2009 only) was a 6th round pick by the Eagles in 2012 and was left on the practice squad before he was cut and picked up by the Fins last month. Not since Timmy Dwight has Iowa produced a NFL starter.

            Later!

          • Robert Mccall

            Bray will be the long term starting QB of the future for KC Chiefs. Mark my words he was a steal out of this years rookies and will in 2 years be the talk of the NFL.

          • Robert Mccall

            Stanzi who couldn’t beat out Brady Quinn? That Stanzi? He sucks period. He should be saving his money…

          • KCMikeG

            Quinn 1st round pick > Stanzi 5th round pick > Bray UDFRA. Please explain to me why Bray will succeed where Stanzi failed. Every report on Stanzi entering the NFL draft was substantially better than those on Bray. Stanzi lead his team to winning records and won every Bowl game he played in with WR’s who never made it in the NFL.
            Bray lead UT to their worst record ever and couldn’t win the big games even with 2-3 NFL starter caliber WR’s. Stanzi is a a hard worker, a leader and an excellent person off the field. While Bray has had his work ethic and leadership questioned and has had numerous off the field problems. So tell me why – besides he has a “big arm” that he will be our QBOTF and the “talk of the NFL”?

      • Suzi Conger

        I totally agree with most of what you say, kcmikeg…I am a newbi KCC supporter, so I don’t know much about RS history, but I do appreciate your well substantiated facts and reasonings.

        • KCMikeG

          Thanks! I find it quite humorous that none of the Bray supporters have any facts or stats to support their case, ignore the reality of the nightmare environment Stanzi has endured in KC and can’t even realize Bray’s one big year was heavily benefitted by some of the best WR’s in the NCAA.

    • Robert Mccall

      I have no idea why this dude still has a job in the NFL as a QB at all. Stanzi could not move past the sorry QB’s we had over the last 3 years. Why are we even still discussing this dude?

      • KCMikeG

        You’re right that our QB’s have been terrible and that Stanzi should have passed them but you also need to realize the extenuating circumstances are what affected those decisions. No rookie camp or offseason, Cassel coming off his best year, playoffs and Pro Bowl. Haley playing Palko over him was all about telling Pioli to F’ off. RAC doesn’t trust rookies/young players and will take a crappy veteran (Quinn) every time. There have been 5 different OC’s and Pioli went all in our his career as GM with Cassel’s $60M contract forcing Haley to play him until injury prevented it. Not saying he is the next Brady (very likely a really good back up) but the guy hasn’t had a decent shot in the eye of a chaotic shit storm. This season with a HC that really knows QB’s will determine the truth.

  • Travis Forsyth

    yeah, I think Stanzi will be cut after the pre-season…

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I think so too. Three coaches have been through and none of them have seemed to want anything to do with him.

      • KCMikeG

        You honestly think he had a fair chance in the chaotic cluster he was in the last 3 years? Name me one offensive player that has joined us during that same period that has succeeded? Here’s your list. Baldwin, Bellamy, Draughn, Gray, Hemingway, Hudson, Newsome, Wylie and Stephenson. IMO opinion Reid will try to get the most out of ALL three of the QB’s behind Smith to create interest in trading one of them for a draft pick like he did in Philly.

        • Jason Seibel

          Reid is not going to keep four QBs on his roster just for the chance to maybe trade one. Come on, man!

          • KCMikeG

            Come on man! I didn’t say he would keep four during the season. I meant that he would look to trade one of them before the season. One of them could also end up on the practice squad.

          • Jason Seibel

            Nobody is going to trade for a bottom feeder QB during the preseason. And relegating a QB to the practice squad is the same as cutting them because other teams can openly and freely negotiate with them if that’s where they are assigned.

          • KCMikeG

            Really? Nobody? Guess you don’t know Reid’s history with QB’s. The story link is below. In JULY of 2011, the Eagles traded Kolb to the Cardinals for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd round pick in 2012. Not saying we could get that for Stanzi or Bray but Kolb had 21 turnovers and only 11 TD’s over four seasons. I didn’t say it would happen during the preseason – I said before the season. There is lots of activity during camp due to injury and cuts.

            Stanzi a “bottom feeder”? Hardly. His stats are as good or better than Bray plus, huge plus, he led a winning team and won the big games he played in while Bray never did. He led Tennessee to their worst record in school history. That would qualify as bottom feeder to me. And while other teams could steal one of our QB’s on the practice squad why would anyone want one of our “bottom feeders”? Not sure why some are ready to write off a guy who never had a chance in the chaotic shit storm in KC since the day he arrived. No rookie camp/offseason his rookie year, Cassel’s huge contract, Haley vs. Pioli, multiple OC changes and on and on the cluster went. How can you just ignore all of this?

            http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/8/13/2360983/how-the-eagles-turned-kelly-holcomb-a-j-feeley-donovan-mcnabb-and

          • Jason Seibel

            You’re quite obviously the President of the Ricky Stanzi fan club. As such, there is no discussing this subject with you because you’re entirely too emotional.

          • KCMikeG

            Actually I’m a ISU Cyclone alumn so I would be way down the list of presidential candidates for Stanzi’s fan club. I haven’t responded emotionally, in fact I have provided lots of statistical support and expert analysis and perspectives to support my position. Maybe you could try the same instead of resorting to “bottom feeder”and “Kool-ade” comments? Those things don’t support your point.
            I just think it is foolish to cut a guy who hasn’t had a decent shot who showed the all the skills needed in college unlike Bray. Especially on the hope that an UDRFA with a big arm who has terrible technique, poor read capabilities, bad work ethic, attitude issue and off the field problems could one day maybe fix all that and be our QBOF.
            Even if Reid decides that Stanzi isn’t going to be one of our guys he has proven himself an excellent negotiator in getting value for the QB’s he doesn’t want to keep.

          • dstang

            Bray will be qb3 stanzi is out… comes down to natural arm strength (cant teach it). I wish we could of seen stazi play during the palko fiasco. Stats dont matter whole lot when your a mid-late rd pick. Its all about being able you progress. Tyler bray will beat out stanzi on natural abilities alone.

          • KCMikeG

            What “natural abilitiy’ does Bray have other than a stronger arm?? No one seems to be able to explain why Bray will be the winner in their competition other than “he has a big arm”. So did Croyle. Every scouting report on Stanzi had lots of great comments about every aspect of his game except for the need to work on his foot work while Bray’s was full of lots of issues on & off the field. There is NO comparison of the caliber of WR’s Bray had at UT to the nobody WR’s Stanzi had at Iowa. If stats don’t matter when you’re a mid-late pick then how does a big arm make up for being an UDRFA?

          • Suzi Conger

            Actually you have some very good and factual data that supports your stance; not emotional, but rather factual deductive reasonings

        • Jason Seibel

          Draughn had flashes last year and Stephenson is a great player.

    • Robert Mccall

      Agreed

  • Jason Seibel

    Two words: Tyler Palko. If the current Payless Shoe Source salesman of the month can rise to the top of the depth chart ahead of Ricky “American Dream” Stanzi, I’m saying the new Tyler can surely do it. BTW, what is it with the Chiefs and QB’s named Tyler? Tyler Thigpen, Tyler Palko, Tyler Bray…kinda weird…

    • owensgone

      Exactly what I was thinking. Though I suspect the only reason Stanzi did not play ahead of Palko was because Haley had gone rogue and was sticking it to Pioli.

      • KCMikeG

        Exactly. There is a long list of issues during the shit storm and chaos our team has been in ever since Stanzi walked in the door. This year we will see him develop in our newfound stable and successful professional coaching environment.

        • Jason Seibel

          I disagree. He’s not even going to make the team. Bray will beat him out for the QB3 position.

          • KCMikeG

            Many loved “Trick shot” Tanney too and proclaimed he would beat out Stanzi, And where is he now?? Not on our roster.

          • Jason Seibel

            Tanney was a longshot from the very beginning. He was from a Div 12 school or something like that and only got his shot because of the YouTube thing. He was placed on IR last year because they thought there might be some redeeming qualities in him. Bray is from an SEC school who didn’t get drafted solely because of his maturity issues and work ethic.

          • KCMikeG

            Bray didn’t get drafted because of his immaturity and work ethic – like those don’t matter? PLUS his play, lack of skills and not having any leadership. Thanks for bringing up the SEC. Bray was 5-19 vs SEC teams – NOT impressive.

            He has a tendency to tank under pressure, was injury prone despite being a three-year starter at Tennessee, has major accuracy concerns, and offers an off-field track record not dissimilar from Ryan Mallett’s. Tyler Bray never led the Tennessee Volunteers to a winning record despite being surrounded by some of the best offensive weapons in his three seasons in Knoxville (including two players who landed among the top 40 picks in this draft). Tyler Bray also displayed a lack of leadership, poor on-field decision making along with accuracy issues during his collegiate career.

            Despite making 24 starts for the Tennessee Volunteers, Tyler Bray hasn’t been able to distinguish himself as a potentially starting caliber-quarterback for the pros. Several NFL teams reportedly lost interest in Tyler Bray prior to the draft due to his inability to make NFL-level reads.Stanzi is smarter, more mobile and has lead his teams to win the big games leading the Hawks with a 26-9 record as a starter.

            Bray never met the lofty expectations laid out for him after he burst onto the national scene despite a rocket arm and tremendous upside as a quarterback. Bray’s footwork and mechanics didn’t show improvement over his three year span at Tennessee, and his decision making remained an issue despite 24 starts. Bray couldn’t consistently pick up first downs and finish drives despite having two top 40 picks in the 2013 NFL Draft in Justin Hunter and Cordarrelle Patterson.

            Mechanically, Bray needs to keep his release point higher and quicken it when working outside the pocket. Footwork-wise, Bray needs to reset his feet cleaner in the pocket, and lean into his throws more consistently instead of relying on his natural arm strength.

            Along with concerns about his accuracy in the short- and mid-range area, Bray never developed the ability to work through progressions and make NFL-level reads. Bray forced far too many passes vertically under pressure, and missed open targets in the short- and mid-range routes.

            Stanzi is smarter, more mobile and has helped his teams to win the big games while leading the Hawks with a 26-9 record as a starter. Only time will tell.

          • Suzi Conger

            Good reasonings with important facts/stats

          • owensgone

            You make some really good points about each of these guys, but we are talking about ceiling potential, not what they accomplished in college. Bray has a much higher ceiling and is not being counted on for anything in the near future. Ricky looked worse than horrible during preseason last year and looked to me like he had completely lost confidence. He could get that back, but he may never have the opportunity to demonstrate that – at least not in a Chiefs’ uniform.

          • KCMikeG

            Help me understand what makes Bray’s ceiling higher than Stanzi’s? Yes Ricky looked bad during preseason but did you see who he was trying to throw to and the complete lack of protection he had? Even Brady looks like crap under heavy pressure. Look at what we did to him in in the 1st half of our game in 2011.
            Other than a stronger arm what does Bray offer that makes his ceiling higher? All we have is their college performances to compare them. Stanzi was better than Bray in every other category than arm strength so what makes Bray’s ceiling higher?

          • owensgone

            Wish I could tell you specifics, but I don’t have the kind of indepth knowledge about these guys that you have. I don’t follow college football that closely, so all I know about Stanzi is what I have seen while he has been with the Chiefs – and with regard to Bray – just what I am hearing from Reid and Dorsey and other Chiefs insiders. The only thing I will say is that guys mature at different times in their lives, so I am not going to hold Bray’s immaturity during his college days over him. I hope both of these guys do well. In fact, I was screaming for Stanzi last year when Palko was inexplicably starting games for the Chiefs.

      • Jason Seibel

        Or the obvious reason…Stanzi was worse than Palko. Hard to fathom, I know.

    • Jared Watson

      Don’t forget Tylerdof Cassell and Tylerdof Stanzi.

    • Billie Cabral

      Hopefully he can be better than them!

  • Stacy D. Smith

    Stanzi will get his shot when the preseason rolls around.

  • Jim Harper

    As long as the Chiefs continue to bring along Bray slowly, then he will quite likely be the franchise “home grown” QB Chief fans have been clammoring for. Stanzi had to have been absolutely horrible not to be able to crack that lineup. After a pretty successful career at Iowa I had big hopes for him. I think as Chief fans we are all happier with the current group of QB’s we now have.

  • Bill

    Maybe it’s my badger fan biased, but I was never a Stanzi fan. Even in the fifth round I though it was a wasted pick. If Bray turns out to be a starter it would be one of the all time great pickups. Has any undrafted QB been successful in the NFL besides Kurt Warner?

    • ladner morse

      Tony Romo.

    • KCMikeG

      Not very good odds for so many to be all confident about.

  • Billie Cabral

    This is easy. Ricky Stanzi got a chance when KC drafted him! There is a reason he didn’t get a shot over, WHO, Tyler F’N Palko! Not to mention Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel. Those are some whack back ups!

    • KCMikeG

      Everything is easy if you just ignore the facts. Palko = Haley screwing Pioli. Cassel = $60 Miillion contract/Pioli’s future and Quinn = RAC doesn’t have a clue, doesn’t trust rookies/young guys so he put all of his HC career hopes on a veteran. Besides the fact that I never said Stanzi was an NFL starter but could be a great 2nd or 3rd QB.

  • Steve Fisher

    I used to live in Iowa, and my friends that still live there say they never were real impressed with Stanzi.

    • KCMikeG

      Case closed. Your previous geographical location and your friends opinion is more than I can defend. Not.
      Why don’t you ask your friends what they found to be unimpressive from his time in Iowa? Stanzi put up big numbers in the 2010 season with a 157.6 quarterback rating along with 25 touchdown passes, plus 2 rushing TD’s and just 6 interceptions. Stanzi ranked 3rd in the nation in passing efficiency. Over 3,000 yard, 64.1% completions and was 3-0 in the Bowl games he played. He is smarter, more mobile and has lead his teams to win the big games leading the Hawks with a 26-9 record as a starter.
      No reason to be impressed huh??

  • Johnny Cash

    Keep Bray, he’s too gifted to let go, especially when he’ll just warm the bench for many seasons.

  • sidibeke

    Stanzi has had a fair shake. The fact that he didn’t manage to get playing time last season speaks volumes.

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