May 12, 2013; Kansas City, MO, USA; Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Tyler Bray (9) throws a pass during the rookie minicamp at the University of Kansas Hospital Training Complex. Mandatory Credit: Denny Medley-USA TODAY Sports

The K.C. Chiefs Dream Series: Tyler Bray


Chiefs get their QB of the future from the 2013 NFL draft.

No, the Kansas City Chiefs didn’t just trade for Geno Smith. However, they did come away with undrafted free agent Tyler Bray who could become the future at the quarterback position for years to come.

Admittedly, Bray didn’t come to the Chiefs in the draft but, it was because no team drafted him that the Chiefs were able to sign him a few days later. So, while Bray didn’t come in the draft… he did come as a result of it.

Some may be saying, “So what? He was just an undrafted free agent.”

True, but, what if he become another Tony Romo?

Just yesterday Patrick Allen reported that Tyler Bray was running with the fourth team so while it makes it an even longer shot Bray sticks on the Chiefs roster… there was a good reason Andy Reid went after him in free agency following the draft. Plus, you have to figure, Ricky Stanzi was not this regime’s pick so Bray has as good a shot as Stanzi does at this point.

In watching Tyler Bray perform at Tennessee you can see his potential. Yes, the dreaded “P” word… potential.

Looking at Tyler Bray’ stats don’t really tell his whole story either. Although there is some good to be learned about him from his stat sheet.

In an article at the Bleacher Report called “Why Tyler Bray Will Fail in the NFL” correspondent Jason Hall say, “There is no denying that he has talent, but the best phrase to describe Tyler Bray is, “Million Dollar Arm; Two Cent Brain.”

The question about Bray is whether or not he will be able to make the maturity transition into the land where the big boys roam.

However, on Thursday… the answer to that question may be coming early in the off season. Eric Berry, who attended Tennessee, the same university as Bray said,

“That’s my dawg. I know he’s going to come and do great things for the Chiefs. Right now, I can’t really get him out of the hotel because he’s been studying his playbook and watching film, so, he’s pretty much locked in and focused.”

Although Jason Hall points out that Bray challenges include “attitude problems,” “lack of leadership,” and “off-field nonsense” he also points out that Bray’s upside could be… Thomas Stafford.

Could you imagine the Chiefs future if they have another Thomas Stafford for the next dozen seasons? That’s something to get excited about.

My personal interest in Tyler Bray was sparked while watching him in game action with the pressure closing in on him he would make one throw after another off the wrong foot or throwing it sidearm or heaving it far down field… all with a lot of success. Then an interception would come and I was reminded of a gunslinger who retired his holster couple years back named Brett Favre.

That’s right, I’m comparing Tyler Bray to Brett Favre. Not that the current Bray is much like “Favre the Great.” But, if you look at the two graphs you’ll see that neither were lights out performers in college and yet the both come into the pros with loads of “potential.”

Of course that could be said of any of a hundred QBs but, it’s those special moments when Bray uses his unique athleticism and makes a good decision and you stop still and go — wow. It’s those Favresk moments that tantalize.

If you’ve had time to see any Tennessee games in the past couple of years you know of what I say.

I’ve prepared a video to perpetuate the fantasy. “The Dream” Highlights of Tyler Bray. It’s a compilation of the best of the best highlights of his career against the best competition. These highlights are taken as Bray performs against 6 different teams: South Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Missouri and North Carolina. If you’re dreaming along with me you’ll see Tyler Bray passing with… touch… sidestepping the rush… fitting the ball into tight spaces… hitting the out route on the sidelines… placing the ball where only his receivers can get it… going deep with accuracy… putting the ball in good locations for his receivers to make the catch… rolling out and making throws on the run with accuracy and more.

Let the dream live! Go Chiefs!

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  • berttheclock

    Undrafted free agent QBs can NOT make it in the NFL. Just ask Warren Moon and Kurt Warner.
    Great music coming out of One Arrowhead. When, discussing his feelings about the direction of the team, yesterday, John Dorsey added, “but, we are not through with the roster until training camp”.

    • elly violette

      What other roster moves do you think Dorsey will make? I read somewhere that he might pick up someone who could even be a starter when training camp winds down and other teams are making their cuts.

      • ladner morse

        The Chiefs will have to clear some cap space to pick up a player from another team because they will likely have to assume that player’s contract… and if that player is “starter quality”… they will have to have enough space under the cap to bring them aboard.

        • berttheclock

          I was surprised they passed on claiming Love off waivers. However, this may be the start of what happened in Seattle after the GB product, John Schneider, ended up becoming their GM. Roster move upon roster move, where it did not really matter if the player had played for PC at some time in the past because it was all based on the Now.

          • ladner morse

            I was wondering about Love too. Would you have taken him with his medical issue? I think those kinds of things can be dealt with and was surprised that NE even cut him to begin with.

          • elly violette

            What was his medical issue?

          • berttheclock

            Type II diabetes

          • elly violette

            So if it can be managed with diet and exercise then why wouldn’t the Chiefs be interested in some one who could be very good?

          • ladner morse

            Elly, that’s exactly what I thought when he was released but, Reid and Dorsey must know what his upside is and I’m sure they compared that upside to the upside of their existing players. So, I’d have to defer to them in this case because admittedly, I don’t know that much about Love.

          • Shawn Duce

            Type 2 diabetes is usually managed with diet and exercise,so the real ? Is can he be as affective as a 5 tech. 3-4 DE 30-35 lbs. lighter? Not sure…

          • berttheclock

            I was diagnosed 7 years ago at the VA and through exercise, medication and really watching sugar and carb intake, I lost 35 pounds and feel fine. Unfortunately, I understand the profit margins for Dreyer’s Ice Cream and Ninsaki Ales have suffered.

  • steve james

    I truly believe he will self destruct. But man what an arm! Its like he teleports the ball with that goofy side arm he’s got. Heck the receiver already had the ball and was off to the races before the camera pan got there on most throws. No Chiefs qb in recent memory has done that.

    • elly violette

      He has a very fast delivery. I don’t know much about the history of quarterbacks but he looks like he can throw it to the receiver as fast as I have seen.

    • superman_25_58

      I think he would self destruct if he was thrown into the starting role before he is ready. Since he has 2-4 years to sit behind A Smith to learn and mature like Kaepernick did in SF than I believe he will succeed as our QBOTF.

  • Jason Seibel

    Ladner, great piece! I’ve been banging the Bray drum for quite some time and am very excited to see where he can go. Excellent breakdown as always!

    • ladner morse

      Thanks Jason… really been enjoying your pieces…. I just hope Bray can make the maturity transition because the kids has an arm as good as any I’ve EVER seen coming out of college.

    • elly violette

      Jason, why do you like Tyler Bray so much?

  • elly violette

    Are you really comparing Tyler Bray to Brett Favre? I’m not sure in what way that works? Do you think Bray should be kept more than Stanzi?

    • ladner morse

      I’m comparing Favre to Bray in the sense that both have that “gunslinger” mentality — meaning they can adapt on the fly and make off balance throws with a modicum of success. And yes, I believe Stanzi has had his chance. I’d also like to see Reid keep his own guys and “get on with it” as far as the transition is concerned. I think if Bray is anywhere near to where Stanzi is at by the end of training camp… then Bray will be the choice.

      • berttheclock

        One other comparison is what happened to Favre after being taken in the 2nd round by Atlanta. “I’m leaving tickets for Elvis” thought he was just an immature beer guzzler and wouldn’t play him, so, Wolf with GB gave them a 1st for him and history was made. BTW, many fans in GB thought Wolf was crazy at the time.

        • ladner morse

          Well.. if anyone can get the best out of Bray… it’s got to be Reid. I just hope he doesn’t develop him to sell him. Then if he goes elsewhere and succeeds… it’ll be another QB disaster for KC.

          • Jim Harper

            That is my fear as well Laddie. I totally agree with the Favre comparison. I also think the Stanzi ship has sailed. Just the fact that he could not get onto the field the last two years when he was drafted by Pioli tells me that they had zero confidence in him.

      • KCMikeG

        When did Stanzi have his chance? During the two years Cassel was “earning” his $60M or when Haley played Palko over him to piss off Pioli? Or was it last year when RAC was fighting for his job and has a history of dismissing rookies/younger guys in preference to the veterans (see Orton/Quinn). In camp running for his life behind the camp body OL while praying a WR who won’t make the roster can get open? The “chance” Stanzi has had over the last two preseasons? Stanzi’s numbers in all preseason games combined are 20/41 (49%) for 255 yards, 1TD (see link below), 1 INT and 9 sacks – see crappy OL.

        That “gunslinger” mentality worked for Favre, mostly, it also cost him and his team important games too. Bray’s comfort zone of zipping it into tight spaces will not work near as well with the speed and knowledge NFL DB’s bring to play resulting in more turn overs. I look forward to the camp competition and will be pulling for Stanzi.

        • ladner morse

          I think it’s a bit of a misnomer to say Stanzi didn’t get his chance. Coaches see him everyday and if he was ever that impressive in practice he would get more opportunities in practice and during games. I was a big Stanzi fan coming out of college but, with the little I have seen of him since then… I’m not wanting to see any more. Now… none of us have really seen his progression in practice so we don’t know much he may have improved. However, if Reid wanted to merely give Stanzi competition he could have brought in any of a number of veteran QB’s so going after Bray was a move that may not only said that he is interested in Bray… but not so interested in Stanzi.

          • KCMikeG

            So you don’t think the Cassel contract or the Haley/Pioli conflict or no rookie camp or OTA’s his rookie year had anything to do with Stanzi not getting more reps. You really believe an average of 5 passes per game over eight games when surrounded by OL/WR/TE that aren’t on the 7-9 and 2-14 teams should be considered his chance? That doesn’t sound like a “big fan” of Captain America to me.
            KC has been a dysfunctional, chaotic cluster since the day he showed up and to judge him on that is wasting a 5th round pick without truly understanding the potential. I watched his progression in camp last year from the previous and believe he will be our #3 QB this year. It will be exciting to see how he competes with Daniels for the #2 spot. IMO either he or Bray could be Reid’s next coach ‘em up and trade them for a 2nd rounder. Only time will tell.

  • Troy Utt

    I am really pulling for Bray to live up to early expectations… I would have been fine drafting him in the 3rd/4th rd’s as per his draft expectations. But must say I was elated for the Chiefs to grab him as an UDFA. I really see it as a no-brainer as to whom we should keep… Stanzi has no potential to be a #1, while on the other hand Bray could potentially be our franchise QB, if he keeps his head on straight, & Reid is able to coach him up!

    • elly violette

      No one has been able to tell me yet why Stanzi would be a worse choice over Bray. Do you know much about Stanzi?

      • Troy Utt

        Stanzi has if you will a bit of a cult following in KC… He was a 5th rd pick with for the most part a fairly unremarkable carreer. With a comp % right close to 60%, and his name mentioned on some watch list’s I believe the Chief’s took a shot at a back up QB, which as his story goes as a Pro… A back-up… Even had he won some of those awards he just does not have the physical tools. I compare similar to the Tebow syndrom… won the bowl games in college, on the watch lists, but that does not equate to being a star in the NFL! The exception being Stanzi has better throwing mechanics thanbTebow! I know Bray comes with much hype, but he has a great upside as I have seen many have already voiced… He is a gunslinger, not afraid to try and throw into tight quarters, has velocity on his pass, is a mobile QB out of the pocket, all of this is a good thing if Reid is able to help him get that head on straight… Those issues as well could well be far behind him now that he has left college… I would like to hope??? WAR CHIEFS!!!

        • KCMikeG

          Unremarkable career? His numbers are as good if not better than Bray’s. PLUS NONE of the DUH and attitude issue Bray brings.

          Many are excited by Bray’s big arm. Isn’t that what got Croyle to KC? How did that work out?
          Tyler Bray “Million dollar arm, two-cent brain” Built his stats vs. weak opponents lost his only bowl game appearance and was not a leader during UT’s worst record in school history. Ouch! His UT teams went a combined 16-21 overall and 5-19 in the SEC.
          http://bleacherreport.com/arti

          Stanzi put up big numbers in the 2010 season with a 157.6 quarterback rating along with 25 touchdown passes, plus 2 rushing TD’s and just 6 interceptions. Stanzi ranked 3rd in the nation in passing efficiency. Over 3,000 yard, 64.1% completions and was 3-0 in the bowl games he played. He is smarter, more mobile and has lead his teams to win the big games leading the Hawks with a 26-9 record as a starter.

          Don’t be so quick to write off Captain America! Go Ricky!

          • Troy Utt

            I would ask for change if you are willing to give “two cents” for that brain of Brays as Reid obviously has not had enough time to get inside it! IMO… I believe Stanzi to be a good college QB who had a break-out season, but we know that does not always translate to the next level… He took over as a Soph & missed half of his Jr year due to injury. The time-off did not seem to hurt him, which bode well for going on to win their bowl game. None of us will ever know that for sure until he actually plays or we may have to take Reids word for it! My point with the “Tebow” comment… I have gotten to the point where I put little to no faith in being on watch list’s or having won certain QB awards, as many are tainted by “fan voting!” Stanzi certainly is a better QB than Tebow, hell he can throw the ball. Right off the bat that makes him All-Pro in comparison! Bray was a personal choice, whom I have watched him for some time now and hope he lives up to the hype! Could Stanzi wind up being a Rich Gannon? Could Bray wind up being a Farve or worse…Todd Marinovich? LOL

    • KCMikeG

      Based on what Troy? Arm strength? That alone won’t cut it. Stanzi is better than he is in every other aspect of being a QB. Leadership, being a winner, smart, quick reads, accuracy, decision making – you name it Stanzi is better. IF Reid can “fix” all of his issues then we have made one of the best moves in recent history but that is a huge IF.

      • Jim Harper

        Based on Stanzi not being able to get on the field for even a single play Mike! And that when he was a Pioli draftee. Could not beat out Palko?

        • KCMikeG

          Palko playing had nothing to do with Stanzi’s ability to beat him out. Stanzi’s development was delayed his rookie year by the strike. I can’t believe anyone would actually think Palko is better. Based on what? Seriously? He went undrafted, failed on four NFL, a UFL & CFL team. In KC a whole 2 TD’s (one of which was a Hail Mary miracle vs the Bears) a fumble and 7 INT’s and a QB rating of 59.8. It was a purely a screw you Pioli move by Haley to not play his buddy Ferentz’s star QB.

          Also effecting him getting a shot was Pioli having to justify Cassel’s $60M deal. RAC being desperate to get (2011/Orton) and then keep (2012/Quinn) the HC position so he failed by putting his eggs in the veteran basket. He has said repeatedly that he just doesn’t trust rookies. RAC’s seriously flawed logic in his own words on Stanzi:

          “You can tell a little bit that he’s into it mentally by things like that (saying that he shouldn’t be throwing to a designated WR based on the defensive alignment during scout team practices), but getting him on the field becomes more difficult, not only him but there are many guys who are behind other guys. You take anybody behind Tamba Hali, he can show improvement, but his chances of getting on the field are not going to be great unless there is an injury situation. So, that’s kind of what you’re dealing with.”

          WTH? So Cassel & Quinn = Hali as far as being critical stars of the team? NOT? Epic fail, one of many by the clueless HC, which cost RAC his last chance at being a successful HC.

  • Ron White

    Nice piece Laddy. I took a couple of things away from the video. Noting that these are highlights but I could not help but notice that on all but a couple of throws Tyler was locked in on primary receiver. Now that could be because most of the time they were wide open and he was able to get the ball out very quickly. I have not watched much of him so maybe he does his progressions ok …just wasn’t able to see it due to the “Highlights”. Second thing that stuck out was the foot work. He has such a strong arm that he can get away with sloppy footwork in college but I don’t think that will be the case in the NFL. It will be interesting to see how well Reid and Co. can improve his footwork and accuracy that will come with that. That arm with accuracy and his quick delivery could be very special.

    • ladner morse

      I agree about his footwork but was amazed at how he could actually flip the ball 25 yards down field while he’s in the middle of taking a step. I hope the Reid and company footwork work will help but I don’t think there are many QBs who can make some of the throws he makes because of his ability to make those throws off the wrong foot or in the middle of taking a step.

      It’s funny that you mention Bray not going through his progressions because one of the things I took away from editing his highlights is — that he seems to do it a lot some times and not at all at other times. One aspect of this game that does help in this regard is his ability to pump fake and he’s go ta good one that’s for sure.

      • Jim Harper

        He does have Favre like arm strength and like Favre can throw it from either foot with accuracy and speed. I really believe that if he takes this opportunity seriously that he could very well be our franchise QB in 2 or 3 years.

  • Calchiefsfan

    Well the kids got an arm, no doubt about that. You have to think that AR is looking at him and thinking if Bray can improve on his footwork and get his head on straight he just might be the steal of the draft. I really think that Bray’s success depends upon what’s between the ears. I have to say from the couple of interviews I’ve heard from him he doesn’t get it yet. Don’t want to be debbie downer but I still think it’s a long shot with him, but if anyone can do it I think it’s Andy Reid. Lucky for Bray he ended up on the Chiefs with Reid to coach him up.

    It would be ironic if in this crazy draft with regards to the quarterbacks that an undrafted QB became the top franchise QB out of this class.

    Good article Laddy! I do believe now it is possible that Bray could succeed, before I gave him no chance.

    • ladner morse

      I think it’s a long shot too… that’s why I wrote this post as part of a “Dream Series”… and I will eventually focus on other long shots.

      But, when I hear Eric Berry talk about Bray burying his head in the playbook… it’s nothing but encouraging.

      • Calchiefsfan

        That is a good sign. Let’s hope he has some leadership skills, devotion to his team and can read defenses. That may take a couple of years but with Alex Smith Reid has time to bring him along with minimal pressure on Bray. It really is the best place Bray could have ended up. When I consider this kids arm I start salivating at the idae of the Chiefs having a big arm, big time QB.

  • Shawn Duce

    According to Adam Teicher of the star, Bray took all 3rd QB reps today in practice for the first time. Has to be positive sign…

  • chiefridgy

    Was this kid born with a football in his hand? He throws with such ease.

    • ladner morse

      Yea, that quick release is too hard to ignore. Now if he could even out
      the bad plays and make some better choices all the way around… I think
      his upside is way up.

  • Lyle Graversen

    Great piece Ladner, Bray definitely has the physical tools to be a good NFL starter. That just has to tell you how AWFUL teams thought he was either smarts or personality wise. That scares the juju out of me. I think my “dream scenario” would be Reid builds him up and makes him look like a future star and then trades him for draft picks before any character flaws come out. Then another team can deal with his issues and we’ll have turned an undrafted player into a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

    • KCMikeG

      That’s where I am too. Reid has done it before and Bray is a big name.

    • Jim Harper

      I disagree Lyle. If Reid truly turns him around then we will know we have our franchise QB

  • freshmeat62

    “Immature” can cover a dozen different things.

    Does it mean he makes youthful errors that can be taught out of him?
    Is he just stupid and can’t learn?
    I’d like to know what are the specifics of his “immaturity”.

  • freshmeat62

    I can remember years ago there was talk about this QB that had some pretty good skills, but was dum as mud. Bradshaw, or something like that.

  • Jordan Donahue

    Thomas, I think you mean Matthew Stafford.