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Report: Chiefs Trade Javier Arenas For Cardinals FB


According to Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic, the Kansas City Chiefs have traded CB Javier Arenas for Arizona Cardinals FB Anthony Sherman.

From Twitter:

You’ve got to be kidding me?

If this is true and there is no other kind of compensation involved, the Chiefs just made an absolutely awful trade. Arenas has been a very good nickel corner for the Chiefs and despite not returning a kick for a TD, an extremely productive return man.

The Chiefs have certainly loaded up at the CB position this year. They have added Sean Smith, Dunta Robinson and will be getting back DeQuan Menzie. The team also draft DB Sanders Commings, though he is projected to play safety.

Arenas played over 700 snaps for the Chiefs in 2012 and finished the season with a +1.0 grade from Pro Football Focus. He had 53 tackles and 14 stops.

Look, Arenas was no world beater but he was no scrub either. He could be very productive at times as a nickel corner. In 2012, Arenas played in slot coverage for 284 snaps. When he was there, Pro Football Focus ranked him as the third best in the NFL.

Arenas has his flaws but I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why the Chiefs think a FB would be a better addition to the team than a veteran CB.


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  • chiefridgy

    WTF

  • Danny W

    Okay they seriously must not have watched any film on Patrick DiMarko at all. Arenas locked down Wes Welker when we played the Pats. This is another head scratcher.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      PD did play pretty well. This trade just doesn’t make sense to me because I think they could have gotten way more value for him.

      • Danny W

        He wasn’t great but worth a pick too I think. Maybe a fourth to sixth rounder.

        • Derek

          I want a magical deal like we’ll give you arenas and our 5th next year for mattheiu….at least it has a bit of excitement rather than a 3rd or 4th FB

  • http://twitter.com/derekcass Derek Duderstadt

    Wow. Not a fan of this move at all. I’m not the biggest Arenas fan, but he was not terrible in the slightest. Seeing as the FB is a dying breed and we picked one up in the draft, I can’t help but hope that maybe, just maybe, Sherman is a phenomenal defensive end – because I know we did NOT just trade for a FB after drafting one.

  • TAZMOSIS

    I, for one, am absolutely dumbfounded! I am willing to give R&D all the leeway in the world, but I just cannot make sense of this. A Fullback? With two already on the roster? Can’t wait to hear about this one.

  • disqus_Mwtx38yVFA

    This can’t be real, there must be something else!

  • Spencer

    Dorsey: so far awful at trades it appears

  • P Heitman

    “According to Pro Football Focus, Arenas was targeted 66 times on the season, allowing 43 receptions for 539 yards, four TDs, zero interceptions and six pass defenses. QB’s throwing at Arenas enjoyed a QB rating of 110.6. ” – Patrick Allen

    Really guys, let’s not overreact. Our fourth, maybe fifth best corner for someone’s trash fullback. Not really a big deal.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Arenas was forced into playing outside because of injuries and because Pioli foolishly cut Stanford Routt. He’s a nickel corner and when he played in the slot, he did a pretty good job.

      • http://www.facebook.com/genemyuk Gene Yuknis

        you mean foolishly signed stanford routt, right???

        • micah stephenson

          No he meant foolishly cut him!

          • Derek

            The cutting was absolutely asinine but I don’t think it was the best signing in the first place but don’t create needs on your own mistakes like Pioli did….at least that’s what I would’ve said to Dorsey 2 months ago before all this nonsense came about to begin with…either way so far I’ve been right about this FO making rediculous lateral moves just to copy other teams success when we should already have our own….sadly it’s all too late now. We’ll just have to wait and see but I’ll LOVE being right come November and shit still isn’t going as planned. We need Ballers at KC not more FBs and OTs…is there anyway thye coudl’ve traded for mattheiu for Javy plus a 5th or 6th rounder next season?

      • P Heitman

        Regardless, I’m with Matt Finucane. If he was that great, we wouldn’t have revamped the entire position group. Numbers don’t lie. If what happened in the most recent mini camp is any indication, Flowers will be covering the slot in Nickel packages with Robinson and Smith on the outside. I’ll take that over Arenas there all day.

        • Derek

          ahahaha if numbers don’t lie then you must HATE the alex smith thing too then I would think. EVERYONE is always saying we can’t look at the whole body of work, only his last two years so in that sense the numbers DO lie for whatever position you want them to be in.

          • P Heitman

            I’m not sure how this turned into a Smith conversation, but okay…Also not sure that comparing Quarterbacks and Nickel corners is really an apples to apples thing…Also, Smith’s Quarterback rating has improved every single years since he was drafted, so there’s not too much to hate there…

            It seems like a lot of people on this site really liked Arenas, and I’m kind of taken aback by this…Can I ask why? Was it because he allowed 43 catches, 4 touchdowns, 539 yards and had zero interceptions on 66 targets? God awful.

            Look, we’ve got four guys at his position that are better than him, might as well load up on Fullbacks while there’s still time…

          • micah stephenson

            Alex Smiths QB rating went up but wat about his total yardage and tds & abillity to stay healthy?

          • P Heitman

            If he throws 16 TD passes, it’s twice as many as both of our quarterbacks last year combined. And I’m not gonna knock a guy for having a concussion. Sorry.

          • Derek

            if he throws 16 TD passes then KC is still down in the less than average range of a team unless JC is the second-coming and does an adrian peterson and carries this team to the play-offs on his freaking back! Mr Heitman you can’t honestly be okay with 16 TDs EVER! If I recall castle had something like 25 in his pro-bowl season did he not and this team was still garbage then too, yes?

          • Derek

            has it ever gotten any worse? hasn’t he always been hurt or less than 3K in yards no matter who is his supporting cast?

          • micah stephenson

            They dont care about that stuff. All they can keep saying is he had a good QB rating.

          • P Heitman

            I don’t care about yards and touchdowns as much as I care about wins, and Smith is like 19-2-1 in his last 22 games, so yeah I guess you’re right.

            I’m tellin’ you man, Smith is an upgrade over Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi, Palko, Huard, Croyle, Thigpen…AND was a better option than Matt Moore, Jason Campbell, Kevin Kolb, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith, EJ Manual, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, etc.

            Hell, Trent Green’s best season before joining KC was with Washington where he threw (like Smith) under 4,000 yards passing, had 23 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. His first season with KC he thre for under 4,000 yards with 17 touchdowns and 24 interceptions.

            Tom Brady, in 2001 when they won the super bowl threw for UNDER 3,000 yards with 18 TDs and 12 interceptions, but again, they WON THE SUPER BOWL.

            So no, I “don’t care about that stuff,” because at the end of the day, a guy can throw for 5,000 yards, 40 tds and still have nothing to show for it.

          • P Heitman
          • yikes22

            In 2012, Arenas played in slot coverage for 284 snaps. When he was there, Pro Football Focus ranked him as the third best in the NFL.

          • P Heitman

            Javier Arenas is garbage, let’s call a spade a spade. We’re not planning on giving our 4th/5th Cornerback over a million dollars this year, and I have no problem with that.

          • Derek

            thank you!

          • BigGil

            That’s not quite accurate. They ranked him as having the sixth best targets-to-receptions-allowed ratio, and added that three guys ahead of him played less than 125 snaps, making Arenas the third best slot corner with greater than 125 snaps played… in this category. This ratio does not account for what happened after the reception, just that a reception occurred.

            Just last week they released an article reading the overall play of slot corners (which would include consideration towards what happened as a result of the allowed receptions). Arenas scored a +4.0 while playing slot, tying for 11th best in the league. For comparison, the best slot corner (GB’s Casey Hayward) scored a +16.3. So even at 11th ranked there was a far cry between the best slot corner and Arenas. (Link for the article I’m referencing: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/24/neils-nfl-daily-april-24-2013/

            Now consider how high he scored in the targets-to-receptions-allowed category, but how seemingly low his +4.0 seems by comparison… This indicates that a good many of the receptions he allowed were for big and/or significant plays. I’d rather a slot corner allow 9 out of 10 targets to be caught for 1yd gains each than for the slot to stop the guy 9 out of 10 times and give up a huge play on the 10th.

            Did notice in the PFF article that Patrick Peterson (and Dunta while we’re at it) ranked amongst the worst when asked to play slot, so maybe we did get fleeced…

          • P Heitman

            What was the criteria for the PFF slot corner rankings?

          • BigGil

            Taken from PFF’s website: “…the targets they see and the receptions, yards, YAC, TDs, and INTs they surrender from the slot”

          • P Heitman

            I feel like these stats, in a way, say that he could cover fairly well, but was burnt a few times, or missed a ton of tackles. Fair?

          • Derek

            it’s a bad deal because it’s another bogus trade dismantling this “only a QB away team” even more so. Plus explain to me who the return specialist is now, McCluster hasn’t been anymore relevant in the same amount of time and our ST blocking isn’t anything special to begin with so I can’t discount Javy’s time in KC just yet. Would like to have seen him play another year but in the slot and not as the standard CB on wide-outs anymore is all. PLUS if you’re going to trade then it should’ve been for a pick and not another worthless FB when we already had DiMarco and Eachus plus drafted another

          • P Heitman

            Derek, I’m sorry man, but I disagree with you here as well. The Chiefs have not “dismantled” this team in any way, shape or form by trading Javier Arenas. Why do I say that? Because it’s JAVIER ARENAS! This guy was in important cog on a defense that was God Awful! You have obviously WAYYYYY over-valued this guy.

            At the same time, in your second sentence you say, “McCluster hasn’t been anymore relevant in the same about of time…” which to me reads as an acknowledgement of Arenas’ complete irrelevance.

            Again, I’m kind of shocked by the unconditional love for this guy on AA. Most people seem pretty disappointed, and I can’t quite figure out why. Is it because he’s one of the last remaining remnants of Pioli hope and his name reminds you of 2010? It can’t be because he’s a good corner, because well….he’s not. And it can’t be because he’s a great returner because again, he’s not.

            As far as your return specialist comment, I’ll say this: who cares? What did Arenas ever do that was so incredibly irreplaceable? For all we know, Devon Wylie could be just as effective returning punts as Arenas was.

            I hope everyone stays strong when training camp rolls around and forty or so mediocre players are cut over a short period of time. If this reaction is any indication it’s going to be quite an emotional time hahah.

          • Derek

            and because you said that “numbers don’t lie” is why I brought up the alex smith deal…his numbers are nothing spectacular either but people tend to focus on his good (a whopping 2 seasons) vs his previous 6 of absolute garbage…if ou’re a star, it doens’t take 8 years to develop to become the face of a franchise yet those are the numbers that people use and manipulate to give them what they want to hear

          • P Heitman

            People focus on the last two seasons because a) they are more relevant and b) the Niners were finally a stable club. I really don’t care what the guy did eight years ago when he was twenty years old and on an awful, unstable, barren football team. Once the kid grew up, the team acquired talent, and there was finally some stability 9n that organization, he played great and started to win a LOT of games. Is he a star? Absolutely not, but I never said he was and frankly I don’t think anyone else has said that either. Derek was Trent Green a star when we got him? How about during his career with the Chiefs? After?

            Alex Smith was, however, the best option for this team, this offseason. There was no one else to get. What would you have done? Signed Matt Moore? Jason Campbell? EJ Manuel? Please don’t say Geno Smith…

            Derek you can bash the Alex Smith trade all you want, it’s your right – but we do know a few things for certain. One, the Chiefs aggressively pursued and landed the best Quarterback available to them this offseason, and two, Andy Reid has made his post-McNabb career winning with average Quarterbacks. Let the guy play a game for this team before you freak out (obviously this is a soft spot for you, seeing that you brought it up out of nowhere in the midst of a discussion about Javier Arenas of all people). It’s over. It happened. Take a deep breath and live with it.

          • MoCrash

            What difference do Smith’s “previous 6 seasons” make? It’s about what he is now, not what he was then. If that was the case, why get rid of Cassel? He was among the better non-elite QBs in 2008 and 2010. Career numbers are irrelevant; it’s what you’ve done lately.

          • antony555

            He was not my first choice, maybe that kid that won the heisman last year made a deal if he keeps growing for him Johnny Maziel are something like that, so far he has did nothing but win

          • Guest

            Come on, Derek, you are smarter than that…. Alex Smith was in the middle of a 3-ring Circus, until John Harbaugh took over….
            Terrible coaching, at least 3 different OC changes, all with different Offenses, to boot!
            That team helped Alex fail, for over 5 years…. Total chaos & confusion!

          • Derek

            Okay well would you say then the same thing for Matt cassel? Did he not contend with multiple HCs and OCs over 3-4 years with horrific o-lines?

          • P Heitman

            Did you watch the Chiefs last year? They could have had Vince Lombardi
            coaching the offense and it wouldn’t have changed the fact that Cassel
            simply didn’t see open receivers, and when he did, he’d miss them by
            hundreds of feet. Hate to direct you to another website, but look at
            these numbers if you truly believe they don’t lie: http://goo.gl/xXdmG

      • http://twitter.com/SteereJohn John Steere

        Yeah, but we have others that can do the same job. We weren’t going to keep all the CB’s on the roster. Better to get value from an expendable player than simply wave them, especially if they are disgruntled.

  • Matt Finucane

    Arenas isn’t good, guys.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Disagree. I think he was a perfectly adequate slot corner, sometimes better than that. He locked down Wes Welker when we played the Patriots in that game where the offense couldn’t score.

      • ObamaDroneTarget

        Yes, but the only receivers he could lock down are short like Welker. Anyone 6′ or more owns him.

        • antony555

          As with everyone last year, Gates with the Chargers took Berry to school, he had nightmares after that game…

      • MoCrash

        Let’s see: Arenas was targeted 66 times and allowed 43 receptions without a pick for a 110.6 QBR. This is your definition of “perfectly adequate?” Hey, if you’re going to set yourself up as an expert, maybe you should know how to research your subject.

        • antony555

          Factually break down our entire secondary it was not a banner year.

    • Danny W

      As a second round draft pick he was a bust. But he was solid depth. How many full backs do we need?

      • Justin R Groth

        I disagree he excelled/excelles at covering the slot. Which is is important when we will be playing Wes welker twice a year. I don’t see how we could of possibly got better from this trade I hope the FB fails his physical so this goes away.

        • Danny W

          Look I don’t like the trade bro. But Arenas as a second round draft pick. You know where we got Flowers is a bust at that pick. He’s a fifth or sixth round pick value. I agree I thought he could blanket Welker too. WTF over?

      • Spencer

        3, apparently 3….

        • Danny W

          I guess were gonna run the wish bone.

    • Michael Shaw

      What? I seem to recall that he was the ONLY DB that stepped up when Eric Berry went down. He is no Berry of course, but the guy was good.

    • Caleb Wylie

      Arenas may not be that great, but im pretty sure he is worth a lot more that an unknown FB!

      • antony555

        Agreed

    • antony555

      What secondary were you watching last year man, most gave up during the year completely.are got torched like Berry and company…

  • ladner morse

    Sooooooooo… who is returning kicks for the Chiefs now???? I know he was no World beater in that department… but the years before he was drafted the Chiefs kick returners were awful.

    Wasn’t his pick in the 2010 draft part of what the Chiefs received in return for the Gonzo trade?

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Wylie maybe?

      • ladner morse

        I hope Wylie can actually hold up while doing that job. We’ve seen very little of him so far.

        • Danny W

          Wylie will be great if he can stay upright. He and McCluster both. Arenas was solid depth though.

  • ladner morse

    So… what are the Chiefs really getting in return for our slot cover corner?

    I hope Anthony Sherman can start.

  • Tyler Alexander

    If I remember right Arena’s wasn’t happy when Robinson and Smith were signed. Maybe he demanded a trade or Dorsey is trying to keep bad moral out of the locker room. If that’s the case Sherman’s a lot better than releasing him.

    • Brody Hall

      Same reason we cut winston

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Winston didn’t fit Reid’s system. Are we certain that the same was true of Arenas?

        • Tyler Alexander

          Arena’s agent told NFL.com that they were seeking a trade.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            His camp or the Chiefs?

          • P Heitman

            His.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Interesting. The reports I saw suggested that it was the Chiefs who wanted to move Arenas.

          • P Heitman

            I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a mutual thing, but yeah, it seems they were given permission to seek a trade: Arenas’ agent via NFL.com: “This is a trade where, based on Kansas City’s acquisitions at the cornerback position, we were actively pursuing. With the trade made, we’re happy it’s to the Arizona Cardinals.”

            By the way, I think I owe you a public apology. You were right. Tackle was the choice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PullinInGreen Tyleet Heggs

    I hope there’s a pick involved, or at least some cap relief, sheesh. But maybe since we’re overloaded at corner, they’re making roster space for another player that’s out there that they like

  • P Heitman

    I mean, we’re still thin at a few positions. I’d like to see us add a couple of Tight Ends, maybe two more Fullbacks, and three or four Left Tackles… ;)

    • Jared Watson

      Lol we may as well snatch up Tebow and run a 3 FB set.

      • P Heitman

        On the condition that he grows a beard.

      • micah stephenson

        He he he! Lmao! Lol

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      We need at least 4 more long snappers.

      • P Heitman

        Imagine 2015 when a bearded Tim Tebow is spotted playing Fullback and Longsnapping for the Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs.

      • Danny W

        Dude this is what I’ve been calling them about. I can long snap the ball like a boss. Me to the Chiefs, now thats a steal!

    • Derek

      YOU sir are absolutely hilarious! Unfortunately, I’m tired of being part of the “joke”

  • Canad-Ian

    Who was our 6th round pick again? A fullback? What the hell are we doing here Harry?!

    • Priest4Prez

      Apparently we’re driving a 1/6 of the way in the wrong direction!

    • Guest

      I read a rumor on a private NFL leak Blog that Reid is developing a totally new type of Offense!
      It said that they were going to a Triple FB Spread that Reid has been secretly been working on for 3 years. It’s very hard to describe, but it is designed to totally confuse the D we are playing. 2 of the FB’s can either get the ball snapped to one or the other or both run short middle routes as kind of a version of Wildcat, but with a LOT MORE OPTIONS! It is code named Triple Fullcat!
      It is designed to ton of various shifts lead to a possible 6 different options new formation! Straight snaps to a possible 4 different backfield positions. Either the QB, one of the 2 FB’s, the RB or double-shift reverse to one of 2 TE’s.
      In 4 of the options, depending on who the ball is snapped to, the Opposite side of the line would be overloaded by one TE and the FB or RB would run to the weak side, totally keeping the opposing D on their toes at ALL TIMES!
      It also said they could throw in a middle Flanker aka RB delay draw that would be totally hidden until the RB is practically to the rear edge of either CB, before the D could even react!
      Sounds totally intriguing to me! The NFL is always trying to copy what ever new wrinkle a team throws in, if it becomes successful!
      This is a totally new way of utilizing, not just a wrinkle, but a whole new way to keep the Offense one step ahead of the D and usher in a whole new Paradigm of how Pro Football will be changed, just like when Bill Walsh started using the West Coast Offense and the 49ers dominated the league for almost a decade!!!!!
      You are NOT going to hear about this until the Chiefs take the field for the first regular season game! They are supposedly going to have a LOT of indoor of closed practices this preseason!
      I was suppose to keep my mouth shit, but I want the Chiefs Kingdom to hear about the rumor, before the Larger National Sports Media reveals Reid’s intentions……

      • Derek

        I read your first 2 sentences and I thought you were honestly doing this elaborate joke…then I read the rest of your response you can’t be serious….

        • P Heitman

          I really don’t know what to say, haha.

        • antony555

          We should have hired Chip Kelly for HC, and move into the 21th cent…

          • Guest

            We should have hired Chip Douglas & moved back to the 60′s!
            I still don’t understand why Fan’s are RIPPING our new hires? They R the best scenario we couldn’t have asked for better NFL minds & Real Leadership.
            At least give them a chance!
            Why are so many of you nit-picking their every move?

        • Guest

          Derek….. Remember how fast Clark Hunt and 10-12 of his best mgr’s flew to Philly and had a 10 hour meeting with Reid and Reid signed with the Chiefs, before Hunt left? It was not declared official until the next day, but remember Reid saying that he was so impressed with the way Hunt rushed, with his best people,to Philly on Hunt’s personal jet and talked for 10 hours and then stated he has always intrigued by KC Chiefs history and how great the Devoted Fans were? He has already coached (I forget where) a long while ago for a college in Missouri in some form and liked the region? He WANTED to come to this NFL Franchise and move his family here because of his prior experience, living in the region! He even said that Arizona hadn’t even talked to him yet.
          I was Super elated when I heard Clark Hunt was tired of mediocrity and then cleaned house here and went and got Reid to sign on as our new HC! I have stated here, prior, that after this happened, I was crossing my fingers that they would hire John Dorsey as GM! Well, the rest is old news. It happened!
          Then when Dorsey said he had just been biding his time (and choosing AWESOME talent in GB as Player Personnel Mgr…. Aaron Rodgers at the end of the first round, Clay Mathews, when all other teams said he was to small, many very good WR’s in the 2-4 rounds, etc….)for this job, as he loved the Chiefs Org. and History and he had a framed photo of Len Dawson hanging on his wall for all those years? Believe me, he has been courted by other teams for the GM job for years. I believe he was with GB for 13-14 years, before he JUMPED on this opportunity!
          He has had a very long and respected history of friendship with Andy Reid! This is one reason I wanted Clark to hire Dorsey as GM, not for just his skill set at selecting pro talent that other NFL Mgr’s overlooked, and/or were dead wrong about, but I felt that a GM/HC tandem of Dorsey/Reid was, not only an NFL marriage made in Heaven, but I had heard a weird rumor about this new O plan, right before his son passed away recently! He and Dorsey talked via phone, at least once a week, for the years they were such good friends. They said as much later, after they were the new (what I call) Dynamic Duo for our Chiefs! I didn’t believe the rumor or “leak”, if you will, until another insider buddy of mine let me join this exclusive NFL Blog site that passed leaks, whenever they had pretty solid proof…. I had to sign a disclaimer (via internet) just to be privy to this Blog site! They have no idea of my relationship with Fansided or the Chiefs period…. And my Buddy helped me hide my “real” identity. Plus, I have tons of kin in KC and one that has worked for the Chiefs (knew the Hunt’s) since ’73.
          I also felt that the new Dynamic Duo was the BEST chance we had to change this team around!!!! But then, THIS!
          I really don’t care who believes me, as I just want to see the Chiefs win it ALL again, before I become room temperature! I have Severe Autoimmune Disorder and several maladies because of it. I also have a pretty high % for contracting Leukemia or Lymphoma, due to a Blood Disease that goes with it….
          But, I just live my life day to day, with my second wife and 2nd set of twins (girls), yea 3 women, I know! LOL! I have always loved this Franchise and am just hoping for the best, before the worse happens!
          Not looking for sympathy, just thought I’d tell you.

          I get tired of supposed DIE HARD Chiefs Fan’s telling me NOT to trust our new Dynamic Duo, and think for myself…..; Give me a break! That’s the opposite of trusting a janitor to do Brain Surgery on me! These guys are the REAL DEAL!

      • antony555

        Good one man and Baldwin will be our best wideout and make Bowes mother forget him and…

        • Guest

          That’s cool Anthony, I knew there are going to be a lot of mocker’s
          I never said they were going to just drop the passing game. Our WR’s are still going to play into this…..
          I really hope Baldwin shows up, when the games mean something. I’m still pulling for him!

  • Canad-Ian

    It’s official, Tony Gonzalez was traded for a fullback.

    • Derek

      LMAO i was just saying this…pathetic!!

  • ladner morse

    Could this just be the beginning of a series of financial moves?

    Sherman 2013 = $561,725

    Arenas 2013 = $1,435,000

    $873.000 savings

    Could it be that the Chiefs got stronger at one position… while not really getting weaker at another?

    • GDL40

      I strongly disagreed with the trade at first …… BUT you bring up a good point. We are set at DB even without Arenas I think, but I just think you gotta look at the whole picture and the trade itself …… a decent CB – good veteran nicke back for an average FB ????? They should’ve thrown in a 4th round pick next year or something

      • antony555

        All we have are warm bodies there, cheap warm bodies at that afterthe starters

    • Stacy D. Smith

      Neither Robinson or Smith are ideal for the Nickel. Reid’s already told us that Commings is headed for Free Safety. Arenas is a serviceable Nickel. Who else is there?

      • ArrowFan

        This is why they had Flowers lining up on the slot during the volunteer mini camp.

  • kmon

    The only reason I can see the chiefs trading arenas is because he was disgruntled with his new role at corner. but c’mon Dorsey! a FB really!? get us a d-lineman, a LB or a guard. hell a long snapper has more value than a FB these days lol. terrible terrible trade, no value for us whatsoever.he better becomes the GREATEST FULLBACK IN EVERRRRRRR!

    • MoCrash

      Ask the Ravens how valueless Vonta Leach is. Of course, what could the Ravens know?

  • Stacy D. Smith

    If it was Arenas for Sherman (straight up), the Chiefs just got hosed on their second consecutive trade. A serviceable Nickel and returnman for an unspectacular FB/Special Teamer? Especially after you just invested an R6 in one and had another play very well in spot duty last season (DiMarco)? Color me confused.

    • Danny W

      What you mean you don’t like giving up a solid return guy and decent nickel corner back for a guy who will maybe have 30 snaps a season?

      • Stacy D. Smith

        Reid likes using Fullbacks so he’ll see a lot of the field. I just don’t think he’s as good at Fullback as Arenas is at Nickel or as a returnman.

      • Derek

        danny stop with your logic…it isn’t allowed here if you haven’t noticed

        • Danny W

          It’s forbidden in 49 states.

    • MoCrash

      Sorry, a 110.6 QBR is not even “serviceable,” it stinks. The Chiefs can get better than that for less than $1 m. At least now they go into camp with competition at BB, a serious weakness last year (which Crennel and Pioli completely neglected).

  • dominicscarlatti

    I have no problem with trading Arenas, but for a FB? I think Ladner is probably correct – this is a salary semi-dump. Fallout from the failure to trade BA which has resulted in the need to get far enough under the cap to sign draft choices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordanmpollock Jordan Pollock

    Guys! Everybody calm down. I’m telling you R&D have a plan. His name is Otha Foster III. Look him up, UDFA. They are absolutely in love with this guy.

    Anthony Sherman will be great for us! He is going to start and can catch the ball out of the backfield. He was a leader on special teams and is definitely a Dave Toub guy. Lead the cardinals in special teams tackles and was a captain! These are the type of players we need!

    Arenas was already disgruntled over the CB signings before! We don’t need that poison in the locker room! You should be happy we are moving on from old players. Arenas did an alright job. He had his good and bad moments. Maybe something better is in store!

    • Justin R Groth

      Sherman isn’t that good at catching, or run blocking according to reports.

    • Guest

      I agree with you Jordon. They have a plan and I am going to, at least, see what happens this year and trust that they know what they are doing.
      Maybe we get 2 picks for BA out of them. They were one of the teams that was pondering trading for him, as I remember.?

    • redchiefs

      I am glad to hear you talk about his special teams play. I was ok with trading Arenas away, but questioned why we took Anthony Sherman. Thank you, it’s good we upgrade the special teams.

    • MoCrash

      The Chiefs signed Foster? Hadn’t noticed that, but you’re right — he’s a stud, and I don’t care that he played at a small school. His Pro Day performance was outstanding and he’s physical. He would have beaten Arenas out anyway in camp.

      Love this: the Chiefs are getting much more physical on both defense and offense — especially with two quality blocking TEs and two more BBs.

    • antony555

      Okay he is history but wtf are we going to do with 5 fullbacks?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordanmpollock Jordan Pollock

    The Chiefs do not have the cap space to pay their 4th corner in Arenas over 1 mill. That’s unheard of in this league. They have too much tied up in Flowers, Robinson, and Smith! Think logically!!!!

    • P Heitman

      Thank you, voice of reason.

      • calciomoti

        Yes that makes sense, but the compensation is a fullback? This is a move you make in Madden, trade a decent player to unload cap space, for the worst player on their teem and then cut him…but no picks? Not even 7th?

        • P Heitman

          You’re so right. Didn’t think about it until you said it, but it’s totally a Madden move.

        • MoCrash

          Yeah, but Madden football doesn’t value blocking backs, although their significance in real football exceeds their stats. Lead blocking for Charles and inside blitz pick-up to protect Smith are valuable assets, and the Chiefs didn’t have a player who was effective at either last year. Now they go into camp with quality competition with two new acquisitions.

  • http://twitter.com/EdMaldo1 Don Quijote

    Great Move. We unload cap money and we canplug someone that can cover. Watch the tape guys. WR ate him up. Jumpball…he lost them most of the time. Too short and can’t cover. Let R/D place the team they want to buid on the field. I am one will wait and see. Happy with the moves so far.

    • Chief Hokie

      I agree that he’s too short but I feel like if all we’re gonna get for him is a FB you might as well give him one more year to prove himself. Arenas might not be a stud but he certainly has potential, and that’s more than I can say for Anthony Sherman. Not to mention we invested a second round pick in our guy and he’s still very young.

      • Derek

        exactly plus we need a return man now too unless wylie is going to be the full-time guy…dex can’t do it and that’s been actually proven

  • yikes22

    moeaki and Kendrick lewis, watch out, you may be next.

    • BigGil

      The Bucs do need a TE, and I hear their towel guy is great…

  • Chris Tarrants

    I just heard we traded Albert and Hali to seattle for a long snapper and a case of twinkles, saving money while feeding Reid!

    • Derek

      LMAO hey that is a definite possibily with the way we’re saving money these days…

  • UtahChiefan

    Humm, I just don’t see how this trade helped us, unless it’s for cap space only. At least get a draft pick or a player to fill a need and provide some competition. I think we already have enough competition at the fullback position.

  • ladner morse

    There is a good reason they let Arenas go (besides cap help)… it’s Otha Foster III… just as Jordan Pollock said below. Take a look at his videos… you’ll understand why they like this guy… Scroll down and click on the first video… each one shows highlights only and it will automatically play through them all.

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/839210/highlights/1927388

  • Stacy D. Smith

    I don’t think Sherman’s the Fullback equivalent of Javier Arenas, but he might grow on me. I just so happened to check my Instagram and he recently liked one of my recent minicamp photos. Any newly signed player that makes it a point to start looking up Chiefs photos on Instagram, hours after being signed, is alright with me. Hahaha.

  • natasha2marie

    Ha. I love how the defense of Arenas in these comments includes descriptions like, “perfectly adequate,” “not terrible,” “serviceable” and “he did all right.” Great stuff. I’m game for some more mediocre outrage!

    • Stacy D. Smith

      You need serviceable players for the lower half of your roster. Not every player can be a stud. I think Arenas has done more at his position than Sherman has at his.

    • Derek

      lol please….Kansas hasn’t been anythign but mediorce since 2003…aside from being absolutely terrible of course just last season and pretty worthless last year too–aside from beating the packers (got my m’fuckin Christmas present early in 2011)–lol.

    • Huscarl132

      Look, me and my wife sat in Arrowhead last year and watched Arenas do ok…not great…ok. Then…the announcer would come out and say “JAVIER ARRRRRRREEEEEEEENNNNNNNAAAAASSSS…” and by the end of the year we were both like “Yeah yeah…whatever.” I think we are forgetting that he wasn’t really that good…not that he sucked, just that by the end of last year he was fairly underwhelming.
      Serviceable…yes. Worth outrage over loosing him…not so much.

    • P Heitman

      hahaha awesome comment. You win.

  • Chris Tarrants

    This just in! Albert and Hali traded to Seattle for a long snapper and a case of twinkies. Saved cap space and feeds Reid for a day!

    • Stacy D. Smith

      An excellent overlarge example that illustrates the point.

  • Shawn Duce

    Bottom line: arenas was a decent 5’9″ish nickel/dime CB who most likely would have been buried on the depth chart this season. Sherman is a special teams beast,good locker room guy,and will push for the starting FB job. Love it or hate It…it adds more competition to the roster

  • ArrowFan

    If Arenes was worth keeping then we would still be on this team. After we cut the Faider last season he had his shot to show what he had. I guess Reid and Dorsey where not that impressed with him.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      That’s an oversimplification. Other football players have been cut that were valuable to this team. Players aren’t always cut because they don’t play well.

      • Derek

        is Javy just a cap casualty due to the wreckless use of money in FA and the franchise tag?

  • tm1946

    Some may be looking at this from the point of where Arenas was drafted and how much was made of being the pick for Tony G. He was small with a great heart but as the team had to get better, he had no place on the roster.
    Arenas for a nothing FB, sad but that is all he was worth to new management. Hope this is not the beginning of a fire sale on Pioli picks.

  • http://twitter.com/SteereJohn John Steere

    If we had a crowd at CB and the staff thought we had extra quality bodies there, then the move gets value from a player that might otherwise have been released, or been only slightly better than a player being released. e get no value from a player that is released. We do from a player who is traded.

    • chiefdeorty

      I agree at least we get something in return. If he was not going to be happy on this team than it is good to get rid of someone who is going to be complaining all the time. Let the people who are running things do there job, some of you people sound like a bunch of old ladies complaining about the new hot chick who just moved down the street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Derek

        pathetic mr kimble…just another complacent sheep..we’re upset becaues this FO has been less-adequate than anyone predicted…granted I wasn’t happy. I wanted young really would’ve liked chip kelly…his eagles are going to be interesting to watch this season….if he scores more points than reid and the chiefs this franchise is doomed…DOOMED I tell ya!

  • Stacy D. Smith

    I’ll say this in closing… I’m not at all concerned that the defense falls apart without Arenas. My concern is that through two trade transactions the Chiefs have either overpaid or been underpaid for a player. I’m a tad bit concerned that the new regime hasn’t yet figured out how to extract the proper value from a trade. This is a relatively minor transaction, but those kinds of small mistakes add up over time.

    • Derek

      smith…please stop apologizing for their asinine mistakes….let’s just see how awful this season goes…perhaps all these moves are to ensure we are infact the “clowns for clowney?”

      • Stacy D. Smith

        If this is the Derek I know… You know… The Raiders fan? Don’t get me started again. I stomp you out everytime you try this.

  • redchiefs

    We pick up a decent special teams man, good. Maybe they’ll be more willing to negotiate for Branden Albert now?

    • tm1946

      Got to doubt the “worth” of Albert. I am betting he plays LT for the Chiefs this year.
      We have 4 FBs, this kid, 2 on roster and one draftee, how many can play special teams and hold a roster spot.

  • Steven Hart

    There goes our Welker killer. Bad trade. Arenas-cap casualty

  • NathanaelL

    booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005102554690 Jason Taylor

    So we have two viable starting options at CB and then….

    And then….

    Anyone else on the roster right now playing nickel is a downgrade. Pure and simple.

    You just downgraded our secondary R&D…. For what by the way?

    A special teams player without any genuine offensive abilities….. Great job. First a lousy draft and now a seriously lousy trade.

    • Derek

      well there has been other questionable moves you mustn’t leave out but yes the last week has been pretty absurd sadly….welcome to KC now even a bigger joke of a football team…

  • Bill

    Not great on the outside, but I think he was the best slot defender on the team… I’m sure Manning and Welker will be happy.

  • antony555

    Hate to see you go player, now you can help that team in the sun!