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Mar 13, 2013; Kansas City, MO, USA; Kansas City Chiefs general manager John Dorsey (right), quarterback Alex Smith (center), and head coach Andy Reid pose for photos during the press conference at The University of Kansas Hospital Training Complex. Mandatory Credit: Denny Medley-USA TODAY Sports

The Chiefs’ Two Minute Drill


I get the feeling that this is one of those moments that Kansas City Chiefs GM John Dorsey and Head Coach Andy Reid love. The fourth quarter of the player personnel game has just begun, with the April 25th Draft constituting the two minute drill.

They have played an almost perfect game thus far, putting the Chiefs in a position to win the offseason.  With hours upon hours of interviews, research, game tape and statistical analysis under their belts, Dorsey and Reid developed a near-perfect game plan and have executed it almost without flaw. Need a quarterback? Grab Alex Smith with the first big quarterback move of any NFL team and get Chase Daniel as a competent backup. Need to lock up Dwayne Bowe? Done. Need another run stopper? Bring in Mike DeVito from the Jets. Need depth at line? Add Geoff Schwartz, who helped Adrian Peterson have a monster year with the Vikings, and franchise Branden Albert. Need more pass receivers? Take Anthony Fasano from the Dolphins and sign speedster Donnie Avery from the Colts. Shore up an average secondary? Bring in Dunta Robinson and Sean Smith. Heck, I even loved the small re-signing of Edgar Jones, whom I’m convinced is going to turn into a stud special teamer.

With the two minute drill almost upon us, let’s do some scenario planning.

Scenario 1: Chiefs take the first pick, a.k.a. “Don’t be an idiot. Draft Joeckel.”

There are few remaining gaps to fill for Dorsey and Reid. The offensive line is atop that list. That’s why if the Chiefs pick first and don’t trade down, I think Luke Joeckel is the guy. The offensive line would have one heck of a competitive preseason then. Rodney Hudson is a lock for center, and I like Jeff Allen, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz competing for the two guard positions. The Chiefs are then set at tackle, at least theoretically, with Joeckel and Albert in a true competition for left tackle and the “loser” of this competition taking the right tackle spot. Then Donald Stephenson becomes a reliable backup. Final result? A dominant offensive line.

Scenario 2: Chiefs take first pick, Branden Albert gets traded, a.k.a. “Is Baldwin legit?”

If Albert gets traded to the Dolphins or another suitor, then the plan shifts slightly. Under Scenario 2, the Chiefs still take Joeckel, and likely pick up a second round pick and a later draft choice as well. Would Dorsey and Reid be comfortable entering the regular season with either Stephenson or Schwartz starting at right tackle? Would they instead go for another inside linebacker or a wide receiver, or even a quarterback? The pickings are fairly rich if the Chiefs land a pick in the second round. Here’s a sampling (note: some of these may be late first-rounders):

Offensive Tackle

  • Terron Armstead, Arkansas Pine-Bluff
  • Kyle Long, Oregon

Linebacker

  • Alec Ogletree, Georgia
  • Manti Te’o, Notre Dame
  • Arthur Brown, Kansas State

Wide Receiver

  • Robert Woods, USC
  • Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
  • Terrance Williams, Baylor
  • Justin Hunter, Tennessee
  • Markus Wheaton, Oregon State

Quarterback

  • Tyler Wilson, Arkansas
  • EJ Manuel, Florida State

As many have said, this draft doesn’t have a lot of superstars but it is very deep. If Scenario 2 comes into play, Dorsey and Reid have a wealth of options here. The key question for me in Scenario 2 is whether they believe Jon Baldwin will play to his potential this year. WIth the Thomas Jones-induced hand injury in 2011, last year was essentially Baldwin’s rookie year. The curve for wide receivers, playing with faster corners and more precise routes, is notoriously steep. If Dorsey and Reid think Baldwin can produce, then they can pass on this deep field of wide receivers. If any of those three linebackers are around, the Chiefs should take ‘em. If not, they should grab Terron Armstead and let him compete for the right tackle spot. This year’s quarterback class is shallow. I think the Chiefs should wait until next year to get a quarterback.

Scenario 3: Chiefs trade first pick, a.k.a. “Wishful Thinking”

It’s difficult to guess why a team would trade with the Chiefs for the first pick. If you want a left tackle, you could trade for picks 2-5 and still get Eric Fisher. If you are desperate for a quarterback and want Geno Smith, you can most likely trade with Jacksonville, Oakland or Philadelphia for a reduced cost. But the Draft can be unpredictable. The best chance might be if a team covets Shariff Floyd (DT) or Dion Jordon (DE) so badly that they’ll trade with the Chiefs. In any event, if Dorsey does get a trade offer, he will likely land a mid-first rounder as well as a second rounder. Under this somewhat unlikely scenario – which would be awesome by the way – I think the Chiefs take the best available offensive tackle in the first round, like Lane Johnson from Oklahoma, and then go linebacker in the second round.

Scenario 4: Chiefs lose Albert and trade first pick, a.k.a. “Stupid Plan”

I really hope this scenario doesn’t happen. The Chiefs would then have two holes at tackle, with a mid-first round and two second round picks to fill those gaps. I don’t think that scenario leaves our team in a better situation than we’re in now.

Addicts, what is your ideal scenario, and what moves would you make in that scenario?!

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  • john woodley

    perfect world trade down to 4-7 get the tackle we need and pick up a 2nd or 3rd, trade an unhappy albert for a 2nd and i like where your heads at for the 2nd rounder and would clear the cap room we need

    • cd3382

      yea, wishful thinking…never know though, it could happen!

  • Spencer

    trade down to 4-11 (hopefully the Eagles fall for Geno and they fear Oakland or Jaguars willingness to take him) get extra picks, draft Fisher, or Lane Johnson if it isn’t the Eagles pick (personally i like Fisher and Johnson far more then Joekel) If not that, then keep the 1st overall pick and draft Jordan to become a 3-4 hybrid defensive end (since we are hearing that the chiefs will play a lot of mix and match with our defensive front rather then just a pure bred 3-4),let Stephenson fight for the starting RT spot and draft another tackle in the 3rd or later (depending on the quality of tackles left)

    Reason why my plan changes drastically with liking the idea of taking Lane Johnson or Fisher 4 and under but not #1? I like Albert as a starting LT, personally i see him as severely undervalued, compared to for example Long who is severely over valued…And with Albert set at LT I don’t care for drafting a RT 1st overall (only once has that happened before-with Phil Emery???of the Vikings-was mean to be a LT but moved to RT-to be noted he is a hall of famer) Jordan then helps our pass rush a lot, 1 issue with it in recent years has been the scheme (read and react rather then attack) which should help with our pass rush, 2) we have very little been able to go in attack mode with a lead in the 4th allowing our pass rushers to attack, and 3) we don’t have many good pass rushers in the first place…Dion Jordan helps 1 of those 3 issues, the new defensive scheme should help one of the other 1/3, and then our (hopefully) better offensive game should allow us to be very good at getting to the QB, and really push the defense over the top…

    • Derek

      kyle long could be available in the 4th!!! the son of howie freakin long! I’ll take that pedigree to the bank for a 4th any time. Then that frees us up to take bailey and alonso in the 3rd. Perfect world Draft Jordan get bailey alonso and long…..ah how nice would that draft be? I’d have something to actually cheer about this off-season (but first things first, shore up albert. Noone is going to pay what we want for him). Especially when there are more important positions to fill with this draft and most teams would rather draft their starting tackle at the point since there is plenty of tackle depth in the draft.

  • Michael Shaw

    I personally like scenario 2. I think if we get a 2nd rounder for Albert, we should draft Jake Long. He would be a good Right tackle in my opinion. I personally think Ogletree will be gone way before the second round and the same might be said about Manti as well. Of course I wouldn’t mind getting EJ Manual either. But I think you are right about us waiting until next year for a QB.

    • micah stephenson

      Both the Cowboys and Steelers had and 8-8 record last yr. That netted them picks 17 & 18 n this yrs draft. If you think Alex Smith is good, you must also think wining 8-9 games is possible. Do you think with pick 17-20 next yr, we will b able to get a top 3-5 QB with our pick with an aledgedly a whole lot better QB class? Keep in mind we traded next yrs 3rd to SF, so thats 1 less pick to trade up with? O yea 1 more ?. Do you truely, honesty, deep deep down in yo heart, think that next yr it WONT be “We can get a QB next yr”? Honestly? Keep it real now.

      • Derek

        LMAO! i will love if by week 4-5 this year ppl start talking like we’re “jut a QB away” ahahhahah it’ll be deja vu and when the draft comes we won’t be able to this time…..a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush. Either take jordan if he works or seize the day and draft Geno…the future needs to be looked at; this win-now strategy is only going to be worthy of .500 that’s not even wild-card material. Another season of missing the play-offs is anotehr season of mediocrity. Has anyone forgotten how we just missed the play-offs under tyler palko?! yeah give this team THE BEST QB of teh future and have 4 years of greatness and possibly more…I’ll take that over respectability during the season any day of the week. I get the fans are tired of the same old crap but they don’t seem to realize THIS is the same team and the same old crap lol. Mediocrity is what they’re accustomed too so after 2-14 you all seem happy to be back to mediocre. Why doesn’t anyone care about post-season in KC anymore????

        • KCPauly

          Couldn’t have said it better myself…Oh wait I already did, this being happy for mediocrity is such BS. Chiefs fans have been beaten down so far and so long that a decent reg-season gets everyone all giddy, Marty’s good REGULAR seasons are called our glory days..how pathetic!…let’s stop selling ourselves short for just once and and start rooting for championships, nobody believes it possible because we have SUCKED for so long that people don’t even consider championships an option, just another “good” regular season and we’ll be ecstatic and again we’ll hear it “next year” been hearin it for my 28+ yrs. of being a fan I am running out of next yrs. and sick of it…But Derek and Micah…don’t be critical or negative, just close your eyes shut your mouth and drink this Kool-Aid, like all the other little blind sheep around here…OH it’s a new regime it has to be good…BS I will believe it when I see it…I refuse to blindly follow R&D respect is earned not given, and for me it’s getting harder and harder to do that lets see some championships…GO CHIEFS!!!!!

          • Derek

            technically I think eveyone deserves respect initially until they do something that makes them less-respectable like draft a tackle number 1….just sayin. That happens and if we pass on steadman and alonso in the 3rd i’m done with this team. Seattle seems to be a team that has lucked out in the QB situtation and has been improving every year as well…though I’m not the biggest fan or marshawn lynch I could get behind them thanks to Richard Sherman….how are ppl not IN-LOVE with him as a football player. Was there a better true shut-down corner last season? It’s only his second season…I wonder if Miliner could be the next sherman…not quite big enough but fast enough and fluid in the hips…sigh….oh well we got Dunta Robinson–as his fans call him, Mr Clutch oh no wait I got that wrong Mr in cluth situations blows the game lol

          • KCPauly

            I live in N.Idaho and work in Eastern Wa. I hate the Seachickens, I will never not be a Chiefs fan as that was the team I picked as a kid and I am not a bandwagon fan,but I will bitch about them when need be, a OL number one is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard, it has never been done before but leave it to us to make history on a stupid move,

          • Derek

            exactly but alright not saying everyone will abandon-ship pauly, but this kinda season could be the tipping-point for a lot of fans. It doesn’t make us a band-wagoner if we leave because we dislike where the team is headed after giving them chance after chance and not improving. At some point everyone says enough is enough. Again I am not givng up hope just yet but this draft is BIG no wait, HUGE for me. As the new guys in town they need to make their mark and do it big. So far they haven’t done anything really note-worthy.
            Also, I am a fan of a lot of specific players, not of one team other than the chiefs of course as that was my hearitage from my grandfatehr who was part of the original wolf-pack mind you. It has always been in my blood but I am just tired of being beaten-down time and time again. I’m a true skeptic now and until they do something exciting I can’t really support this team. I hope they do well but I just dont’ like where everything is headed. Again it doesn’t make me a bandwagoner but i’d be lying if I didn’t say I am a huge fan of richard sherman and russel wilson. But I was a fan of them in college ball too so I think it’s plenty legit to lean toward a team that takes players you like because you want to follow those guys. Just like whereever Geno goes I’ll be excited for him. That’s just it I have excitement for personnel that aren’t on teh chiefs roster so far which is disheartening. Sure we all have our opinion of who should draft who but the seachickens at least seem to understand what it takes to win and though I hated teh matt flynn move mainly because I hate everthing GB since i live here and they are after all the originial rivalry GB v KC for superbowl 1 so it only makes sense. That said I hate everything GB not named Aaron Rodgers lol that said I was all for signing greg jennings in FA at one point I’d take him over mike wallace anyway BUT the avery signing seems pretty good and I’m still trying to get an idea of who this marcus gilyard fellow is; is he just another camp body or does he have a legitimate shot at KC? Anyone know?

          • KCPauly

            I hear ya man, I too am tired of the constant beat down that is being a Chiefs fan I like a few other teams and there is players I like as well ie Aaron Rogers, Megatron, etc. This team has been so scared to go get a real franchise QB in the draft that it truly is sickening, WTF pull up the skirt already and get it done, if you follow AA you will see my post are not negative but skeptical as are you and every Chiefs fan should be after sucking so long…

          • Derek

            it has come to my vision that literally any comment made by micah, pauly, or myself has -1 votes…lmao come on ppl quit being critical sheep

  • redchiefs

    Ever watch NCIS? BA needs Jethro Gibbs to slap him on the back of the head. His new head coach’s winning percentage is 70%. That’s pretty good BA. Your new Coach Reid has publicly said he thinks you play at a pro bowl level and is glad you’re on the team. You play for your teammates, and your head coach. The GM is the business side and he is paid to look at all the possibilities. The GM has said he’s going to create competition, not Coach Reid. I don’t see how making 9.85mil is not showing commitment to BA. BA needs to have some faith, show up and participate.

    Not showing up is leaving himself open to getting beat out by the incoming rookie, maybe even by Donald Stephenson. What did Herm say, “you can’t make the club in the tub”? If BA thinks he’s the LT for the Chiefs, he needs to show up and prove he’s worthy, last year was last year, this year is a whole new team.

    • ArrowFan

      Albert’s position will be defined soon after or even during the draft. If he is still a chief after the draft he will get a long term deal. Because we most likely did select a LT with the first pick. If we do then he will be traded.

      • Derek

        don’t jinx it! we should all just stop talking abotu tackles and admitting defeat hold hope for jordan or geno or even miliner something with impact to be excited about

      • redchiefs

        Agreed, BA needs to take a Chill Pill, show up to the facility and start working out. He’s a good tackle and will get a deal.

  • micah stephenson

    Im not suprised!!! Its ALWAYS WAIT TILL NEXT YR when it comes to drafting a QB or winning a playoff game.

    • Michael Shaw

      I don’t think there is a QB in this draft that really impresses ANY team, scout, analyst (not that they are right half the time anyway) or coach. I understand you are still driving the Geno bandwagon, but honestly after watching the non-highlight versions of his film, the kid scares me when it comes to pressure situations. It could just be a maturity issue, I mean he is still a kid. If we keep BA and trade our #1 then I could see us getting him later in the 1st if he has impressed Andy. I am getting the sense though that Andy isn’t impressed in him enough to take a chance.

      • Derek

        question for you sir: Would you ever sold or impressed with Cam Newton or did you believe NC was foolish to draft him #1 overall? I have to believe Cam falls short to Geno in everyway so if cam then why not geno? That said Geno doesn’t make the most sense because of the Daniel deal anymore so i’m more on the Jordan or miliner train than anything now but in all actuality passing on Geno is going to be a very regretful decision this time next year….

    • Derek

      what’s even worse is that the fan base is so accustomed to this bullshit they’re fine with it now….leno you and I are pretty soon going to be the only ones outspoken about KC and their decisions…maybe it’s time you and I found a different team to believe in…I believe seatle is the team on the rise personally. That said I have always been a D-minded guy and I always loved KC hell I would easily take miliner over joeckle….this tackle talk is such crap and the fans are eating it up because half of them are too old to see the big picture and how the game has changed. A lot of young teams with average to poor lines are getting it done better than KC ever has and they only seem to have a few key players where it matters being that the QB position is by the most-important in the game and an excellent pass rush has to be number 2 then a secondary THEN worry about lines and trenches and such….

      • micah stephenson

        Most of us like Geno. Its just a small handfull of Haters that dont want him. I do agree with too many fans being ok with just being ok. I want to b dominant. I want 13-16 wins a season and to play in the superbowl every yr. Not 8-10 wins and get my ass kicked in the 1st playoff game! We had 2 of the best OTs last yr and it got us 2 wins. Mayby its time to start investing in the QB position and I dont mean trading TWO picks for anothet teams back up that they didnt want anymore. We are on the same page. The new order of importance is QB, WR, CB, Pass rusher, then everything else. And I wud take Milliner too over a LT.

        • Derek

          well we didn’t two of the THE BEST tackles but higher than a lot of teams that finished 5-6x as many wins….so yeah clearly tackles don’t win games and “trench warefare” is a thing of the past… a lot on here are going to disagree with me because half of them are probably old enough to remember winning a play-off game which hasn’t even happened in my life-time lmao and remember when they had a dominan offensive line and Defensive line and how that worked. However that’s the old football and the game has changed. In fact I read a few recent articles about how the trench important is declining so there is method to madness people. Get with the times and recruit based on impact. Not “one mans trash….”

      • Ron White

        Spoken like a true fan……time to find a different team to believe in…..half of them are too old to see the big picture…..you are what us old folks refer to as featherweights. You blow around in the wind to what ever way it blows you. Unless your name is GOOGLE stop acting like you know everything…..

        • Derek

          i never said I know everything BUT i’m the future and not blind to the old ways, Mr. White. No disrespect here but there aren’t many of us in our 20s who bother to post about football

          • Jim Harper

            Ahhhhh! Did you have to endure 14 years of disappointment? You poor thing. Are you getting any professional help? I hope so. There are lots of people out there that are getting help for their problems. Just imagine how your Dad feels having had to endure 28 years of disappointment. Andy Reid has forgotten more about this game than you will ever understand. We haven’t even gone through preseason yet and you are cutting him up. That is just juvenile! Maybe that is what Ron is referring to when he suggested you grow up, although frankly I think it is a bit late for that.

          • dominicscarlatti

            Micah and Derek are hopeless. As someone once famously stated, “Youth is wasted on the young.” Micah and Derek are the living embodiments of this. Capacity for critical thinking? Zero for both of them. Facility with the English language? Virtually none. Ability to construct a rational argument? Complete washouts. Slaves to their own unmet emotional/psychological issues? 100% scores for both of them. Not to mention that both seem to have keyboard diarrhea!

          • Jim Harper

            Very good! LMAO

          • Derek

            hold up here I write and speak very well so to say I haven’t any grasp of language or structure is absurd. Secondly, I am in college pursuing–and nearly finished–a degree in chemistry. So to say I haven’t any sort of brain is preposterous. Finally how am I a creep? For being skeptical and tired of the same old nonsense? Lol clearly I am more rational than most on here because to be a rational thinker you are drawn to incentives. What incentives has the Chiefs front-office brought to us these last few weeks, hmm? Yes you should be allowed to call-out even professionals if after a decade they’re still turds lol

          • dominicscarlatti

            Your demonstrated degree of proficiency with English language needs no further comment here from me…I did not say you ‘haven’t any sort of brain’ nor did I ever call you a ‘creep’ so please respond, if you wish, to what I actually wrote, not your fantasy take on it. Thank you in advance.

          • Derek

            oh no scarlatti you missunderstood me. I was lashing out in general to all the comments regarding me. For instance being called a “Creep” by either Mr. White or Mr. Harper. I dont’ recall which but it was a personal attack so I retorted lol. Anyway you mentioned how I could not complete a sentence, construct an argument, think critically, and etc….so yes, I was correct to include you in my post. None of this was meant as disrespect just that there seems to be a disconnect here between youth and not-so youthful lol.

        • micah stephenson

          He said that becus this is abuse! U want yo team to win so bad but they just wont make the kind of moves it takes to win. They make the kinda moves it takes to trick you into false hope so they can sell tickets.

          • Derek

            lol thanks leno you get it….I’m staying positive but definitely not eating it up like the 40 year olds on here are lol. My fatehr is 43 and I was able to turn him away from being a blind fan as well. It is possible ppl jsut open your eyes and dont’ assume just because I’m young makes me dumb. Sure I might missquote something everything now and then which does take away some credibility on my behalf BUT you can’t argue with my reasoning. Football is what it is and it’s a business and they’re doing moves to protect their own asses. Not concerned with being the best football team like you all seem to think. When Reid did the unthinkable and drafted a QB high–McNabb–it was like 15 years ago…he’s older now and this is more a job than a love for him clearly. I can’t blame him but he should just be honest and tell us it’s the tackle and why not let us have false hope any longer. Like I said this draft is going to suck–pretty sure my comment was deleted by a mediator earlier lol so I apologize if I offended some of you–but they did this to justify their own reasoning and followed the draft pundits who are 50% of the time wrong. The fans need to wake-up. Anyone can bust. LMAO I jsut realized the greatest scenario ever is if our new number 1 over all tackle busts! I’ll laugh HYSTERICALLY at this team, organization, and the fans because they let themselves be fooled that there is such thing as a “safe pick” Ever heard of Rolando McClain? yeah he was supposedly the safest LB in the draft and it’s only been 2 years and he’s been fired already by Oakland lol.

          • micah stephenson

            Lol. Its Micah aka Leno SmithCastle aka the ugly version of Geno Smith. Lol

          • Derek

            oh ahahah micah i remember you. you started a new account? too much hate on geno smith so you thought you’d blow the trumpet in retalliation all by yourself?

          • Ron White

            Well when you both “Grow up” you will understand the big picture. Your comments prove you are delusional when you say “they make these moves to trick you into false hope”. While i would hope that is frustration bleeding through….I almost believe you mean it. If so then you are lost in space.

          • Derek

            sir what does it mean to grow-up in your eyes? To me it is to move past and invite the new…in other words, Micah and I are ready for the new you seem to live in the past too much sir. So are we delusional not so much as hopeful and optimistic; granted not in the same way you and a lot of fans are. But I have noticed it’s all the older ways of thought who writes on these blogs which I do enjoy I’m not sure how old Micah is but I would guess around my age maybe 28 ish so alittle older? Anyway it’s irrelevant. Just know that we have grown-up because we’re looking at future and stability. If anything this win-now and alex smith and tackle talk is the less-mature way of thought because it’s being overly optimistic in the wrong ways. You’re not thinking for yourself, sir. But I respect your opinion anway, regardless how you accept mine or not.

          • Ron White

            Just to be clear….I have no issue with your progressive thoughts for bettering the team and disagreeing with the direction of Dorsey and Reid. What i take issue with is the statements about being too old to see the big picture and how the game has changed. Or putting everyone into a box that believes differently than you. You see I am old enough to understand change…I partied at the Liberty Memorial with when the Chiefs won the SB. And yes I have been waiting for them to get back there since then. If is frustrating. You have a long way to go to feel what I feel about that. Does not mean I can’t see where the game is going.

          • Derek

            I respect your input but then if it’s so frustrating why aren’t you more skeptical? You act like you’ve been so kicked around and yet you’re not very animated. If I were in your shoes God help me if we win a superbowl in my life-time and it takes them another 35-40 years to get there again, that I would be hopping-mad! Okay you may see the big picture sir but then why are you doing nothing to make it come true? Everything I read from you is sheep-talk sir. It’s all that you need to be positive and R&D know what’s best for the team. I disagree. They know what is best for their jobs. Am I being a little cynical, perhaps, but after 14 years of disappointment you can bet I’m going to be. I jsut want something to believe in again and so far Dorsey and Reid have not giving me anything to be excited about. Was I excited about the alex smith deal no but I understand it. Personally the draft shouldl’ve gone like this: Geno, Cyprien, Bailey, Alonso, Long, Mattheiu. As all of that would’ve had me thrilled for the upcoming season. I’m sure I’m not the only one that thinks this way. After that I haven’t looked into rounds 6-7 or really care at the point becaue there aren’t developmental starts in rounds that late really. Anyway as time has gone on an they started getting crazy in FA I liked a couple signings: Devito, Avery, Fasano, Schwartz, Hussani….btu then they started creating needs and taking players only to replace the current on-roster ones. Not thrilled abotu it becuase it didn’t chagne teh team as a whole talent-wise. Obviously we have yet to see what’s going to happen but my enthusiasm with this team is an all-time low right now.

          • micah stephenson

            Why do we need to grow up becus we want the Chiefs to draft and develope they own QB instead of trading draft picks for other teams back ups and making them starters? I know your going to go with the team motto “WE CAN GET A QB NEXT YR” but I think after geting beat out of pick 34 & a 3rd next yr they are going to stick with Alex like Pioli stuck with Cassel. You dont trade 2 picks for a QB if you plan on using a 1st next yr on a QB.

          • Derek

            unless he was just supposed to mentor our young QBs tanney and Eugene as most of the fans wanted to be told was the plan. Honestly who here wasn’t excited about the idea of team smiths?? everyone loved the idea then they bought out a back-up who was good at mizzou but still went undrafted which says a lot how that was a mistake and expected us all to take it. Then they cut winston insuring we would taking tackle somewhere and made it sensible to go tackle overall which is awful news to any chiefs fan unless they’re 40 and believe that games are won in teh trenches still….

          • micah stephenson

            Mayby it will b THE SMITHS at QB this year! :)

          • Derek

            maybe….if so I’m a very happy camper for the future assuming the rest of the draft falls into place: I originally wanted johnathan cyprein SS int he 2nd so lewis has some competition for his injury-prone self but check out john boyett SS out of oregon as a 6th rounder! could really be a difference maker and with the alex deal keeping us out of the 2nd that pick of boyett could really right a big wrong dude. let me know how you feel

          • Derek

            lol how did this opinion get a “thumbs down?” Is there honestly just one guy who dislikes the three of us and votes down EVERYTHING we say even when it’s positive or a good alternative plan? I swear for being such great fans you guys don’t take ANY kind of criticism towards the team. Tell me why boyett late isn’t a great depth pick-up? Tell me why Cyprein is in the second woudln’t have a been a great competition and even injurty-insurance for the Kendrick Lewis??? Come on people….

          • dominicscarlatti

            I agree, Derek, that Cyprien looks like he might become a special player, a sparkplug and big-time intimidator. On another note, if you’re obsessing about a single “thumbs-up” or “thumbs-down” I would strongly advise you to avoid Twitter…

          • Derek

            well i’m not obsessing I just asked why lol as it seems rediculous and laughable as it is literally on EVERY post by micah, myself, and even pauly. But thank you the only problem is we won’t be able to get him unless we can even move into the 2nd somehow first and in the upper half before he’s gone. Also have you bothered to look into Boyett at all at SS as depth late in the draft with definite potential to fight lewis for that starting position. If we could grab him in the 6th I would pull the trigger. let me know how you think?

          • micah stephenson

            Lol. If you dont some Haters you aint going hard enuff. Lol.

          • dominicscarlatti

            So stop your incessant bitching and find a new team. Honestly, you’re like a shrewish old woman (or man) who spends all day, every day, complaining and moaning.

        • Jim Harper

          By all means please move to Seattle. As a matter of fact, about 50 miles west of there is the perfect place for you. You arrogant creep. Yeah I am also one of those oldies you refer to. I will turn 65 in December, and I am not ashamed to say I have seen every Super Bowl. I was there when the Chiefs lost Super Bowl I, and won Super Bowl IV. My body is in bad shape but there is nothing wrong with my mind and I have been a progressive student of the game for 50 years

          • dominicscarlatti

            I think you meant to reply to Derek, not Ron White.

          • Jim Harper

            Yeah, don’t know how that happened, but then I am an old fart after all.

      • Carlos Nevarez

        Leave then dude. No one is forcing you to be a Chiefs fans. Go jump on the 49ers bandwagon while you’re at it.

    • redchiefs

      I don’t care what team, or what the record is, unless you win the Conference Championship and the super bowl, it’s ALWAYS WAIT TILL NEXT YR. You can not use past administration’s lack of drafting a QB to assault a brand new front office. They know the importance of the QB, we’re talking about the guy who’s team drafted Donovan McNabb, and the other guy who’s team drafted Aaron Rodgers while Brett Favre was on the team. Dorsey said publicly after looking at all the QBs in the draft, he went out and got Alex Smith.
      I trust R&D, GO CHIEFS!!

  • Derek

    you’re all fools for underestimating Geno….I realize he isnt teh answer RIGHT NOW like Jordan hopefully is BUT in 1-2 years he’s going to be THE quarterback…you’ll watch monday mornign highlights of him on espn and think GODDAMMIT he was OURS!!!!!

    • micah stephenson

      Its gon b a tuf pill to swallow but while Geno this yr and all the good QBs next yr get drafted by other teams we will b watching Alex Cassel 2.0 Smith.

      • Derek

        though EVERYTHING points to him being a cassel type game manager I’m going to try to be a little more optimistic here. He won’t be amazing but he’ll be sufficient which sadly are what the fans and the coaches wanted….noone apparently really cares about taking this team to the next level they’re just too worried to continue to be the laughinstock of the NFL lol. That said, Reid and Dorsey have a LOT to prove this year so they’d rather not take the gamble on the star impact players like fixing the QB or the star D players like miliner or Jordan it sounds like (complete pussies) but this is a business and they need job security too so it makes sense to do everything by everyone else’s standards (aka the ‘experts’ who more than likely will get half of the draft class wrong anyway lol) and take the YUCK tackle. So boring. I really see nothing to get excited for and if they fuck up this draft they’ve fucked up their chances of staying here at KC sadly. So it makes perfect sense to do what they’re doing BUT opportunity-costs be damned…if we finish say 7-9 and Geno wins a play-off game at say cleveland the fans will be OUTRAGED and I’ll chuckle because I was right alllll along. If i’m wrong then I’ll gladly eat crow. But the Browns have the perfect opportunity to take him at 11 when they trade down to the san diego is desperate for a star tackle and wants to trade-up (read their blogs). That is a true win-win so they’ve got it made unless the jets try something different (even though they already have 5 QBs) lol what a gaggle-fuck in NYC.

        • micah stephenson

          I agree. Alex wont b as bad as Cassel but he wont b good enough to get us to the superbowl. So why not go ahead a draft Geno who’s physical tool set is killing Alex Smiths and start traing him to do wat it takes to win. By passing on Geno they are only delaying the inevitable and thats breaking it down and starting from scratch. They gon haft to draft a QB and you dont pass up a chance to get the best rookie.

          • Derek

            spoken like a man with a brain. We both agree that there isn’t a better opportunity even though the pundits all say he’s not the best choice…name me a better choice? The only hope is that this team becomes a train-wreck and we’re drafting in the top 5 next year. I dont know abotu you but I don’t want to root for the demise of this team and waste the talents of any more of our big names like JC….but this draft will be the best opportunity and take long in the fourth he completes our tackle depth just fine. mattheui in the 5th CB depth done steadman bailey in teh 3rd a future star i bet you and kiko alonso in the 3rd as well….would’ve been nice ot grab cyprien in the 2nd but the alex deal scrweed that all kinds of up lol. I have been leaning more towards Dion Jordan as an acceptable number 1 pick as well based on the potential he has IMMEDIATELY where as Geno is probably a year or two away. For the longest time I wanted Geno and Bailey outta this draft that would’ve been a dream come true to me and then we couldve still had cyprein in the 2nd….oh how wonderful that line-up would’ve been….oh well….I guess stay positive and hope for some good news about Jordan being the pick or that Cleveland or NY decide to jump jacksonville for Geno. The eagles can’t be thinking Geno because manuel is practically goig to fall into their lap and they already have 3 QBs on site that are all able to start as is so one project QB is enough. Where as Geno fit just fine with KC prior to the Daniel experiment because we only have 1 capable at the time starter in alex smith. Trick shot is probably a 2 year project as well and stanzi I have no faith in him at all. 5th and 6th round QBs aren’t starter material and that was proven with the brodie croyle experiment and stanzi couldn’t even beat out matt cassel….yeah that says he doesn’t even belong in football lol

        • micah stephenson

          Thats whats been wrong with our coaches and GMs. They scared to takes chances. They care more about they jobs than winning.

        • micah stephenson

          Idk man. I think Jack at 2, oak at 3, philly at 4, cle, buf, arz, ny cud still want Geno

          • Derek

            you really think they’re all thinkig Geno? if that’s the case then it sounds like KC is the ONLY team not thinking geno….. I find that tough to believe. If there were all these teams wlling to reach for him we’d be drafting him for sure if not to use and mold then as a bait to hook a needy team. One of them will get him no doubt about it but I dont think pilly or oakland or even buffalo are good landing spots and NY has 5 QBs so I have no idea what they’ll do but tha’s doubtfulas well. Gotta be thiking clevelan is the best to get him or jacksonville unless they want dion jordan instead and KC passes on Dion too…shudder….

          • micah stephenson

            None of the teams are gonna admit they want him. That drives up the trade cost. The teams want him to fall to them but wit kC, jac and oak siting at 1,2, & 3 they dont know if they can get him.

    • redchiefs

      If the Chiefs don’t fix the O line, I don’t care who is QB, they’ll be 2-14 or 4-12 this year. Our QBs last year were taking a beating or running for their life. We could run the ball, but throwing was not going to happen no matter who was back there.

      • Derek

        other factors to consider i we were almost always on passing downs and it was telegraphed so they brought the pressure a lot…neither QB could throw on the move which is something any modern passer needs to be able to do…and lot of the chiefs receivers are lousy route-runners so getting separation was impossible…finally the play-calling was a attrocious and brian daboll can have at least half the blame as to why the chiefs coudlnt’ score. Then of coure matt cassels confidence had to be an all-time low. QBs aren’t going to play well when they can’t even put a little faith in themselves. So eyah lots went wrong last year and perhaps romeo crennel should’ve never been the head coach and honestly kyle orton was a great FA QB we should’ve held onto him last for last season and seen if he could’ve sparked some fire under the chiefs. so yeah having the best tackles int he world woudln’t have fixed that season….

        • redchiefs

          The play calling was poor, never a play action on first down, and what’s with not giving JC the ball 25 times a game? Jamaal and Bowe are they guys to get the ball to on this team, how can you not get the ball in Jamaal’s hands 25 times a game? hmmm? The offense could not adjust during a game if the opponents D was ready, or one of their guys was owning one of ours. It was just always something.
          Back to my original statement, if your O line can’t block you need a new line. It’s that simple. I think a lot of his confidence was his line couldn’t block. When in the one or 2 games the O would finally start moving the ball, there would be a false start, personal foul, or a bad throw that would kill a drive.
          I’d prefer Andy Reid and his line coaches can fix the lines (O and D) this year, it’s the most important thing they need to do after the free agency period we’ve just had.
          You have to win the division first, I think there’s enough skill players on the roster right now, but both O and D lines failed badly in the passing game, and against the opponent’s passing game.

      • micah stephenson

        Huh? Wat u mean fix our oline? Our oline is pretty good already if you a good QB.

    • Tom Sparks

      Derek….. dominic hit the nail right on the head!
      You are nothing but an arrogant, selfish, whiney-ass, Bag-O-Hotair!
      I have been reading your comments for weeks now and could not stand back, without commenting on your Frickin’ defeatist attitude!
      WTF…….. “the days of watching and waiting are done for me.” I damn well know there are MANY REAL CHIEFS FANS on this board that agree! You are such a phony-baloney, self-centered, know-it-all that I just couldn’t stand the diarrhea spewing forth from your egomaniac pie-hole anymore, without retaliating, as you are giving every DIEHARD member of the Chief’s Kingdom a BLACK EYE!
      If you are DONE WATCHING AND WAITING, I am sure many of the senior members and contributors of this quality Chiefs Board, of which I am one (53-years young), would be willing to pony up a few bucks together and buy you some season tickets for the St. Louis Rams!
      It is truly baffoons such as you that make my ass tired! The REAL DIEHARD Chiefs Fan here are in it for the dedication and long haul for the Chiefs ARE part of us and also for respect of our founder and founder of the AFL, Lamar Hunt!!
      The Kansas City Chiefs have a very deep and honored history and each one of us should be happy that we were fortunate enough for Lamar to move the Texans to Kansas City!
      There are not many small market teams that can support, much less HAVE, an NFL Franchise!
      And for such a small market, we ROCK ARROWHEAD STADIUM!
      And, please, DO NOT address me as Sir, when you respond to my comment! You haven’t earned the right to, PUNK!
      Maybe you could start respecting me a little by NOT using MY Lords name in vain! You another obvious example of.someone that has been educated way to far for your brain capacity!
      It’s unfortunate that the society we live in takes so much for granted and mutual respect for each other has eroded into a PC upside down, self-serving world.
      I was reluctant to respond to your ever present facetious remarks, but felt it was high time to do so.
      I have 2 words of common sense to leave you with:
      GROW UP!!!

      • Derek

        LOL the chiefs are part of history yes but that doesn’t make it okay to turn a blind-eye to the rest of the foolishness….you’re one of myabe 5 people on this site that actually care to pick a fight with me and so be it. I do not care one way or the other. I am a fan just as much as you are sir. I survived being the laughing-stock of the league last year and a disappointment every other season. You make it sound like the only way to get a any respect around here is to be a sheep who has complete blind faith in an organization that refuses to change when change is most-needed? I thought it was all going to be A-OK after that train-wreck last season as they would be making necessary changes to fix the wrongs of past years however they dug us more into a hole then we were before and what’s more is not only do they refuse to apologize but you “real, die-hard fans” are actually standing-up for them. The brain-washing has to cease at some point and that only happens when people stand up for themselves. I’m a punk huh? Oh right because I think outside the box well that’s fine by me except Punk has been dead since 2003…anything if anything I refuse to conform not because I dont’ want to; you have it all wrong. I WANT very much to have something to believe-in with this team hence why I come on here hoping for good news but it’s all a bunch of BS half the time. I mean honestly you guys are standing up for someone who comes in and makes the EXACT same moves throughout your GLORIOUS history that has made you a bargain bin football team for more than a decade now. I mean really what is exciting and what has changed from last season?? Hurray for signing a bunch of depth; realisticly 75% of the people signed won’t even be involved the whole season. So tell me what has changed, why should I give a damn about this team anymore???

  • berttheclock

    I hope Patrick Allen drops by. He wrote Parcells should admit he made a mistake by taking Long instead of Ryan. Miami was 1-15 in ’07 and their O-line gave up 42 sacks. QBs were Cleo “Yes, I am a” Lemon and Trent Green. Parcells dumped them, brought in Chad Pennington, drafted Henne and took Jake Long with the Number 1. The former starting LT, Vernon Carey, was moved to RT, the ‘Fins went 11-5 and made the playoffs. The new O-line only gave up 24 sacks. Jake Long began his first of several trips to the Pro Bowl. The O-line was weak in the middle. The RG, Ndukwe,was later dumped on Pioli. Santele, the center was erratic. Had Ryan started behind that ’07 line, he would have been scrambled.
    What hurt the Dolphins, following that draft year of ’08 is Parcells was pushed out by Ireland. Ireland made such “heady” moves as taking the West Virginia QB, Pat White, while leaving Max Unger, the future Pro Bowl center for the Seahawks. It was not until John Jerry was taken in the 3rd round, two drafts later, that the Dolphins began address the building of their O-line. Plus, several of the better players, Vontae Davis, Smith, among them, have left in FAcy. So,Ireland had to open the check book by over paying severa FAs, this season. No, Parcells did not make a mistake. Ireland is the one responsible for the mistakes, following the drafting of Long.

    • Derek

      though the numbers do make sense then THIS is 4-5 seasons later and the game has changed. YOu’ll note so has QBing. Star QBs are now getting the ball out much quicker utilizing more 3 step drop wide-out and slant patterns as well as screens. What alex smith will be asked to do in a west-coast offense. That’s fine. The importance now is that the TEs are reliable enough to make smith look good when that ball isn’t thrown perfectly…

    • micah stephenson

      So wen the dophins had 2 OTs AND a good QB they made the playoffs but when they had 2 good OTs and no QB they didnt make the playoffs?

      • berttheclock

        Glad to hear from you. I posted about Pace going to the Rams at Number 1 and you said the was all about Kurt Warner. Want to know what KW said about Pace? When, Pace jumped to the Bears in ’09, KW was interviewed by Sun-Times writer and, on April 8, ’09, KW said this;
        “Obviously, when I was with him, he was good as anybody in game It was one of those comfort zones for a QB, where we knew every week that we didn’t have to worry about anybody on his side of the ball. I think that is a great compliment for any player, but, particularly, a lineman and a LT………………..It was a tremendous comfort zone for me as a QB to not have to worry and just play.”
        No, Micah, he did not call Orlando Pace “Boring”.

        • Derek

          okay that makes sense what you say but the game is changing sir…it’s time the fans of KC realize this. Problem is you brought in andy freakin Reid who is the king of “old-skool” thought. He is going to try and turn this team into the dream-team once again and that experiment did fail mind you….

          • micah stephenson

            Some people are behind man. They dont see where the game is going. You need a strong armed QB with Legs now. Alex has nether.

          • Derek

            exactly which is why I was hoping for a young college coach to coach this team. I was all for the idea of Chip Kelly even. Haters going to hate me for that but he’s young, offensive-minded and will turn the eagles around no doubt about it. Read philly blogs once in awhile they’re the happiest group of fans…hard to believe since in the 5 years all I’ve known them to be are angry haters lol

          • micah stephenson

            Did you know Bill Belicheck called Chip Kelly to ask him about how he attacks defenses? Bill wanted to implement some of wat chip was doing into wat the pats wur doing.

          • Derek

            see that’s the way ppl should be thinking. Look to the youth for answers…

        • micah stephenson

          Ok. So Orlando pace was good. Most LTs aint O.Pace. So if we do a draft today you take Pace ill take Warner. I value the QB more than a LT. Like Ried said “I got to find the next Len Dawson” he didnt say “I got to find the next best LT”

          • berttheclock

            Micah, you are still missing the point. Foundations need to be built first. You keep trying to put the QB in place before building the foundation. That is the major reason many talented college QBs have been wasted and ruined in the NFL. Build a solid offensive line first.

          • Derek

            well last I checked we have spent most moves this off-season dealing with the line so are you saying nothing is still in-place for the next QB? if that’s the case then all those moves are meaningless. I would prefer not to think that they’re wasted and that Albert is still the guy at KC. He seems reliable enough and the whole point is you dont’ need to that the 2 best tackles in all of football to be a contender. Any in the upper-half should be suffice for a winning team. I know I do this often but look at GB. it’s alll about the QB you can’t argue that why even in a bad season they stll win 11-12 games. Their entire O-line is young, weak, slow…I mean is there a worst O-line in all the NFL and they went 11-5 last year and 15-1 the year before and before that won a super-bowl….

          • micah stephenson

            Albert, Asomaoh,Hudson, Allen/Swarzt, Stephenson is a solid foundation. Time to get a QB while we can.

  • micah stephenson

    Why if the most passing yrd Alex Smith ever had in a season is 3144 & 18 tds, why shud I believe going into his 9th season and getting shiped to a 2-14 team that he is going to have better numbers than that?

    • Derek

      LOL EXACTLY what everyone is saying he had a better team and system at SF and he only had 3k yards…that’s less than cam newton and luck put up as rookies and he’s a 9 year vet….sad sad….

  • oldchiefsfan

    After reading some comments and seeing the reference to 40 year olds I feel really old now. Considering I am in my 50′s and have been a Chiefs fan for 47 years. Even though I wanted Geno Smith also I now understand some think I am too old to have an intelligent opinion as my brain has begun to deteriorate and atrophy. Now where did I leave that wheelchair, my cane and my Metamucil.

    I will say this I won’t stop being a Chiefs fan. We went through this in the late 70′s early 80′s also.

    • micah stephenson

      O those old rusty joints. Lol. We wont stop being Chiefs fans ether. I mean we are still here after going 2-14. The worst in team history.

      • oldchiefsfan

        Just giving you a hard time. I was joking. I know I’m old! hahaha
        Basically age has nothing to do with these discussions though. We all know what we want and we all try as eloquently as possible to get our various points across!
        Carry on young Jedi….

        • micah stephenson

          I respect my elders. I know knowledge is power. And with old age comes a wealth of knowledge. I can only hope I live as long as these “old people” cus life is fragile and can be taken from you any day.

      • Derek

        well I talk a big game but I don’t htink I could ever not love this team but the days of watching and waiting are done for me. I want my opinion heard these days. Hence why after week 6 I started getting into th draft and seeing what there is and how it all comes together “big-picture” if you will. Most people don’t even watch the draft or know who is even on their team except the impact players. I’m not a sheep anymore. I can think and analyze for myself and hence why I joined this blog to get active and see what others think. Sadly though I find a lot of people eating up waht the media and the draft pundits have to say–none of them have ever played on the Chiefs roster and of course neither have I but being a fan since I was a child I feel I am a part of this team and only want to see them excell. Instead I watch year-in and year-out the things we all think are going to change just not happen. It is time to be more pro-active people. After all, this is the same fan-base that got their head coach and GM fired and started a trend in the NFL. It pains me however that most here are excited and not at all weary (pauly, micah, and I might be the exception) of what is happening here and what the future looks to hold for this team. With the NFL changing every year or two it seems like the old ways of thinking are not just getting it done and so we must approach things from a different direction.

      • dominicscarlatti

        You’re only still here so that you can moan and groan like a little spoiled brat on this board.

    • Derek

      Sir I appreciate your input and I hold no disrespect toward your mind or opinion. I was just noting a generalization about the trench warefare opinions…all there numbers and quotes are from everything 2008 and before. Nothing recent. Most look at a season like 2003 to justify these tackle talks but in reality the game isn’t the same as it was back. I had no intention of making you feel old and hey my father is 43 so even he changed his mind after hearing my arguments lol. Now you brought up the 70s and 80s just now which won’t even apply to the younger fans like myself who just want something to believe in. I am looking to the future of this year and in 2 years I see us in the same position we will be after this season sadly 9-7 maybe improve to 10-6 if alex has cassel-like 2010 season which compared the chiefs of late was glorified!? poppy-cock! You must be certainly tired of all this mediocrity. I have never even seen this team win a play-off game let alone play more than a handful of post-season games all embarassing. The fans have been shouting since 2007 we’re just a QB away. Well if that’s the case then it makes sense to grab the best damn rookie QB there is. Now before you think i’m just a geno-phile, I do love the kid sure but I’m realistic that he’s not going to make the impact we need right away in which case it only makes sense to get a jordan or miliner type prospect as they’ll be the big right now impact kind of players we at KC so desperately need. If we take a tackle this team doesn’t improve and how ppl don’t see that I dont’ understand especialy since tackles are no-longer a focal point in young offenses. We need the offense to get younger and D to be more aggressive. The old ways of thinking haven’t paid off for a lot of reasons. It’s time for a change in KC.

      • oldchiefsfan

        Derek I’m not disagreeing with you. I wanted Geno Smith too. I mean I wanted him REALLY bad!!! I am also tired of us being snake bit about taking a QB in the draft. I remember when we let Dan Marino and Jim Kelly pass so we could take “He whose name must not be spoken.”
        I also want to watch another playoff win not to mention I also want to watch us win another Super Bowl. I too am tired of saying maybe next year. After all I have been saying maybe next year since 1971. I want to see another party like we had when we won in 1970 and my Uncle and my Dad took me to see it. I want Arrowhead parking lot packed with people and BBQ and beers and our players riding around in golf carts hanging out with us fans while we wear our Super Bowl Champion T-shirts and do the Tomahawk Chop until our triceps cramp up and our voices all fade to hoarse whispers. I want to walk through the crowds with my 23 year old son who I have raised to be a Chiefs fan and decide which of us is carrying the extra beers. I want all of these things!
        I just hope we get there someday and I hope Reid and Dorsey’s vision about Alex Smith is right and he and the team they are trying to build can get us there.
        I was just joking about the wheelchair stuff. I ain’t dead yet!!! LOL

        • Derek

          what you say sir sounds like a dream-come-true! I would love all of that jus as much and would even be willing to come back to KC…haven’t seen my family down that way since 2006 and I was there for bootcamp at Lost in the Woods (yeah yeah I know it’s techincally missouri but it’s all the same to us lol) I have never been to arrowhead but every season I get offered tickets I turn them down because I don’t have hope. That’s what I had hoped would change this off-season as a fan. I had dreams that they would give us a reason to believe yet they aren’t doin it. They’re giving us this reason so we can “win-now” who knows we might start th season off great 5-0 (evidently Geno did the same) and then all the whoops and praises will come…but what happens then if it all falls-apart down the line and we finish 8-8? Yeah I realize there are a lot of variables that affect any given sunday but I also realize if that happens we are almost exactly where we were in 2011 under tyler palko and that gaggle-fuck lol “close-but-no-cigar.” I unfortunately see that scenario for the next 2-3 years even and also BELIEVE–keyword there, believe–that Geno could be winning play-off games before us. How hard is that going to be to watch as a chief’s fan? It might be so polarizing it gets a lot of us to give-up on this team out-right. So I’m just looking out for us. Now since Geno doen’t make the most sense right now who does at this juncture? I have to hope Dion Jordan can be “thing 1″ as I had heard Ladner refer to him in an earlier post. I would be thrilled with that scenario IF the rest of the draft goes well. The real problem here is one player isn’t going to be the answer. They really need to get this draft right or this team is crippled for years to come. If every and all positions are gamble you gamble on the ones that pay-out the best. I.E. QB, pass-rusher, CB….taht sorta thing only after should we even consider talking about a tackle. And that is what everyone is talking about tackles hence how everyone is just too behind in the evolution of the game.

        • KCMikeG

          Agreed across the board except we might want to go with Chief’s Super Bowl sweatshirts or coats vs T-shirts in February.

      • Chief Hokie

        I also changed my pop’s mind and he’s 55! Ha!

        • Derek

          so you agree with me then that this team needs to look through a younger paradigm?

          • Chief Hokie

            Oh yes. We need to draft and develop our own QBOTF. We need to swing for the fences by drafting Geno, Alex Smith will never win us a superbowl.

          • Chief Hokie

            We need to take risks if we are gonna be the best!

          • Derek

            i completely agree with taking chances and swinging for the fence BUT that ship has sailed to think we could’ve have geno throwing to steadman his old highschool AND college ball buddy just think of the harmony/chemistry of that…oh well…anyway now you have to think Geno isn’t the best move anymore. If that’s the case then who do you think is the 2nd best option? I’m inclined to go with Dion Jordan after all the debates and blogs i’m witnessed. He seems to be the best player to be drafted this year because he adds a dynamic to the team immediately and we’re not waiting a year or two for things to develop plus it satisfies a need of depth at OLB as we dont’ have ANY other than frank freakin zombo and he’s not the rigth size for OLB anyway. let me know what you think.

          • dominicscarlatti

            For what it’s worth, Derek, I think Jordan would be a fine pick, although I would imagine he would be in a rotation with Hali and Houston, rather than as an ILB. Then again, we really have no idea what kind of defensive sets Bob Sutton will employ, which is why I think even Sharrif and Star are worth long looks.

          • Derek

            i agree to this as well

          • Chief Hokie

            Gimme Ziggy Ansah then, He will be the star in this draft.

      • Merlin_Arrowhead_Addict

        Derek:

        I’ll take you up on that challenge to change my mind. So I am clear, can you bullet point your arguments so I can address them one by one. Who knows, I could make this a post on AA. Let’s give this a chance.

    • dominicscarlatti

      Of course you won’t stop being a Chiefs fan, and neither will I, although we both have the relative advantage of actually watching our club win it all. Unfortunately, American youth today, and in recent years, has in general been poorly served by our educational system. The shocking evidence of this is right before our eyes, in each and every comments section on this website.

  • Patriot42

    I doubt if anyone of the big wigs are reading ur post.

  • Derek

    also long won’t go before the end of the 3rd, tyler wilson is not going in the second unless it’s jerry jones himself that says so lol and when did terrance williams’ stock rise to 2nd round!? Good for him but last I read Bailey in teh 3rd is rated over him. Williams was supposed to be a “sleeper” doesn’t that mean rounds 4-5 usually?

  • ArrowFan

    Scenario 5: Chiefs keep Albert to play LT for the next 6 years and draft any position other than LT with the # pick, say a QB or a LB or DE.

    Scenario 6: Chiefs keep Albert to play LT for the next 6 years and trade the number one pick moving back and adding more picks.

    I think the number one reason why Albert is still in flux about a long term deal or a trade is because it allows us the greatest flexibility with our draft. I think your are to sure we are picking a LT with our number one over all pick. Besides if we do I say it is Fisher not Jockel.

  • micah stephenson

    Scenario 1 shud b Chiefs draft Geno Smith #1. Sign Albert to a 5 yr 45 mill deal. Chiefs give Stephenson the RT spot. Wit the 3rd pick get a wr if there is a good one left.

    • Derek

      bailey in teh third with geno throwing to him is perfect harmony for this team…they did the same thing at indi when the colts got luck and his college receiver thought I don’t remember the name I remember seeing highlights of them hooking up deep…could be the same with geno and bailey; i’m dreaming I know but eitehr way I think bailey is the best use of a 3rd as i’m skeptical baldwin can get it done.

      • micah stephenson

        I like Baldwins size but his skills leaves me not wanting to take too big of a chance in having to depend on him.

      • micah stephenson

        I want to say the TE was Coby Fleener. Id b cool with Geno and Bailey on the team. Its wat we need!

        • Derek

          yeah fleener that’s right

  • Derek

    men I’ve just found a good 6th pick after mattheiu; oredon safety John Boyett. I know it’s highlight tape but he makes lewis look weak and after just having knee surgery he ran a 4.47 at his pro-day apparently. Check out this 3 minutes of footage and you might tend to agee with me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUGGfyAXTzo

    • micah stephenson

      He looks good. If he is there late wat do you hav to lose?

      • Derek

        how anyone gave your comment a dislike I cannot fathome. If there is nothing to lose why not is waht you all hsould be asking. Who else is in the 6th worth caring more about than a safety when we lack any kind of depth for injury-prone lewis?

  • Jim Harper

    Great post Miles. I have a sense that your second scenario is what I hope will happen, and makes the most sense. I will be shocked if we get more than a second rounder for Albert. And with that pick they go with the best available ILB. More than anything I was hoping we could find a way to get Ansah, but I don’t see any way that happens. Dion Jordan is a great pick, but only if we keep Albert. There are still a couple of solid RT’s in free agency but I think Stephenson could fill that role too. I don’t see any scenario where drafting Geno makes any sense at all. It would create a mistake that would probably take 3 years to correct. This may very well be the most important draft the Chiefs will have for years to come and it is of the utmost importance that they get it right. I have every confidence that R&D will do that.

  • calciomoti

    I STILL want Geno Smith…but now maybe in the same fashion as the chargers/giants manner…it seems to me that made the chargers stand out for several years after those draft picks were exchanged.

    Why can’t the chiefs do the same with Geno?

    I Also have to say something about the age topic here…in the span of fifty years, I would consider anything that is within ten years of the current year “recent”

    Just saying…

    • dominicscarlatti

      That is an interesting idea that was the subject of an article here by Patrick not so long ago. However, right now it appears that there probably wouldn’t be any serious trade proposals coming our way if we did that. I think it would make much more sense to simply draft Geno, if the brass really likes him, and groom him behind Alex. That outcome, while seemingly quite unlikely, could come into play if Reid/Dorsey intend to sign Albert to a long-term deal after the draft, which is a real possibility at this point.

      I think it’s interesting to note that no one, fan or pundit, seems to have any idea of what the Chiefs draft board looks like right now. Joeckel is generally considered the likely pick, but I’ve seen nothing to indicate that anyone really knows what the Chiefs are up to with the top pick. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he isn’t the Chiefs choice, as there are five other players I think could do very well for the Chiefs if chosen (including Geno).

    • Derek

      so you mean take him and trade him? I agree that could be a useful way of handling the great Geno-debacle lol. Course a part of me wants to see him here at KC but if say we got two 2nds for him I’d pull that trigger. Ertz and Cyprien would be wonderful picks…. or even dare i say Eddie Lacy and Cyprien?

      • dominicscarlatti

        Two second round picks for the #1 overall pick? Seriously?

        • Derek

          is that not a good deal? Geno is definitely worth 2nds isn’t he? Also note that I don’t remember the scenario I set-up for this to happen as it was like 2:30 a.m. at that point and my brain had shut-down an hour earlier lol

  • football4life

    I’ve become quite the follower of the Chiefs of late, tho I’m a 49ers fan and I’ve made some friends alone the way who support the franchise as well. I hope you take no offense to what i say oldchiefs fan but you say u have been a fan of the organization for 40 plus years, correct? Then why would u want Geno over Alex? His early career, embarrassment of the 9er faithful or the unforgettable public humiliation? All good points but Geno,really? For a man to follow the NFL for so many year to want that on his team is foolish. If u want another qb snd don’t like Alex, well thats life. I believe Alex will be great and win the fans who ( didn’t want him) over early next season but an African American qb? He may turn out to be a hall of famer but if history keeps it’s same path, where 1 African American i could find won the super bowl, he’s in trouble. So i ask again sir, 40 plus years correct? I truly hope the man finds his success 200 times over but i can’t tell u have watch much NFL at all.

    • Derek

      wow…racist much? LMAO you actually commented on alex smith over a black QB….this comment shoudl be removed.