The Chiefs And The Wheel Of Fortunate Evaluations

Someone will be drafted first in the draft. This is the one constant we can all count on. One way or another, one lucky… and fortunate… prospect will go #1 overall, making oodles of dough and going down in the history books to boot.

And… it will be because of some very fortunate evaluations. Of course those evaluations are based on the performances and talents of these prospects… at least we hope that’s the case.

It’s been reported that the Chiefs first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft has been narrowed down to three possible players: OT Luke Joeckel, OT Eric Fisher and OLB Dion Jordan. However, it could just as easily be Luke Joeckel, Dion Jordan and Geno Smith. Just follow the bouncing ball of logic… if you will:

Let’s say there once were four finalists- Luke, Eric, Geno and Dion… and then Dorsey and Reid decided it’s time to narrow it down to three. Then, it follows that they had to have the conversation about… “which OT is better?”  Once that’s determined then one of them is eliminated… and that leaves three. After all, why would you keep two players who play the same position in your top three?

Since we can assume Dorsey and Reid have had the conversation about who is a better OT… I’m projecting that the three prospects includes Geno Smith.

Especially if they’d like to get more offers for the first pick in the draft then Geno is the bait. There are still too many teams who don’t have a good QB and Geno can be a good one. Perhaps not great, but good.

So, I can not see that at any time in the next three weeks that anyone from the Chiefs organization will let it slip that Geno is out of consideration.

However, that being said, it looks like QB Geno Smith is out of the running for the Chiefs to take him for several reasons, not the least of which is an unfortunate evaluation by Nolan Nawrocki. So, it might be a good idea to take a look at a wider range of evaluations of the top prospects to avoid any mis-steps in the final rankings process.

What is clear now is that these three or four top prospects are in the lofty positions they are in because they have avoided the unfortunate branding that spreads like wildfire at this time of year.

Here are some examples of the negative labeling that’s hurt a number of specific prospects who have all, at one time or another, heard their name mentioned as a possible top pick in this draft:

DL Star Lotulelei- short arms and medical questions.

DL Sharrif Floyd- stamina questions, stops after contact, past ACL

DE Ezekiel Ansah- struggles to break free once engaged, plays with pads too high, only in football since 2010

OG Chance Warmack- he plays guard, he’s too short

CB Dee Milliner- too aggressive and overplays, lacks elite speed, weak back-peddle, one year experience as a starter

DE Bjoern Werner- consistency questions, history of minor injuries, lacks typical height

OT Lane Johnson- tremendous upside but has a bust factor

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In this draft there are no perfect prospects. Has there ever been?

However, it may be the unfortunate evaluations that scouts make on a prospect that keeps them from breaking into the top three or four for consideration — out of which the number one player could be taken in this draft.

Let’s begin with the odds on favorite so far: Luke Joeckel.

 

When researching strengths and weaknesses of Luke Joeckel there are a lack of weaknesses and consequently a lack of negative things being said about him in the press. He may not be the strongest OT in this draft but, his top notch technique and squeaky clean image win him big points in the long run.

Take a look at the quote in red taken from CBS Sports and it may strike you… if this is all that’s wrong with his game, he may be even better than first thought.

It’s not so much everything he’s done but, in his case, all the negatives that aren’t there.

So, who can compete with Mr. Joeckel? Eric Fisher has done nothing but fly to the top of the draft board during this off season. Could he be the Chiefs first pick? Sure. Why not. If they’re taking a OT, I’d certainly hope he’s in the running.

Fisher is that prospect with more strength and upside. His frame could also take the extra pounds Reid will likely ask his OTs to bear, considering his pound and ground system.

However, when you begin to read through the list of possible deficiencies in Fisher’s technique, then Joeckel looks better and better.

Take into consideration the premium talent that Joeckel has gone against and dominated, and that’s why Fisher finishes second on my list.

If the Chiefs can deal with their OT issues outside of the draft then perhaps they go with the best OLB Dion Jordan, a phenomenal athlete.

If you’ve had the opportunity to watch Jordan play you’ll most likely come away impressed. At the minimum you’ll be impressed by his athleticism. However, his presence on the field is felt on nearly every play when his defense takes to the turf.

Could the Chiefs use another dynamic player who knows how to get to the QB and make plays? If your answer is not an emphatic yes, you may not be aware that besides their QB woes last season, the Chiefs couldn’t put enough pressure on opposing QBs, which was happening on an all too consistent basis.

Do you think Reid and Dorsey noticed this deficiency when they were reviewing film of last season? Close your eyes and you can almost hear their conversation:

ANDY: Hey John, we are going to need a QB next year.

JOHN: Yea, I noticed that too.

JOHN: You know I really like our defense but, we’re still not able to put enough pressure on the QB. We’re going to have to get another pass rusher from somewhere this off season.

ANDY: I couldn’t agree more.

If you ever noticed, the one player who never shows up available in free agency, aside from a franchise QB, is a franchise pass rusher.

I will not be shocked at all if the Chiefs go with Dion Jordan. His story is really compelling too. He was once a burn victim and he vowed he would not let that define him. He wanted to be: a football player.

Plus, he has an NBA power forward’s body at 6-6, 248. Jordan’s skills could be considered magical because he’s able to drop into coverage and make opposing tight ends disappear. The point is, he’s excellent in coverage where many OLBs are not.

Jordan has also spent time playing both TE as well as DE. Da kidz got mad skilz.

Once you consider his physical gifts and sustained level of performance you’d have to give him a great chance to be the first player to shake Roger Goodell’s hand on draft day.

When you look over Dion Jordan’s weaknesses, in red, you almost wonder if whoever wrote the critique for CBS Sports was serious?

Taking all things into consideration, I’d be thrilled if a player as dynamic as Dion Jordan was the Chiefs first pick.

Lastly, consider the case of Geno Smith.

Since I’ve been following Geno Smith’s career closer than the other prospects, it’s become very interesting to me that comments are being generated about him which come off biased, to say the least. I don’t want to start a forum on whether or not Geno Smith is the victim of racism, but I’ll say I have read some inappropriate comments to say the least.

As I researched Geno Smith’s strengths and weaknesses I could find plenty of each. There seems to be a wide chasm of opinions regarding the West Virginia QB and although I stopped being surprised about that quite awhile ago, there’s something about this wide gap of opinions that intrigues me.

There have not often been college QBs who have ever put up the numbers he has put up and yet as soon as you say something like that there are a long list of bloggers ready to say that college stats mean nothing.

You can see by the disparity of comments on Geno’s wheel of evaluations that Nolan Nawrocki (who has never met Geno) typifies Geno Smith one way and then John Gruden and Geno’s former QB coach Jake Spavital typify him completely the opposite way.

Obviously, if you’re using Nolan Nawrocki’s evaluation to determine Geno Smith’s success, you’re making a huge error in judgement. Many fans may recall ex-NFL QB Warren Moon accusing Nawrocki of racial bias for comments he made just three years ago. Nawrocki appears to be at it again.

Who is Nolan Nawrocki? He’s not a scout. He’s an analyst. Nawrocki is ProFootballFocus version of Mel Kiper. Can you imagine Kiper making these comments? ESPN would have him out the door faster than you can say “Rush Limbaugh.”

In the end, the Chiefs question will be, “What are they going to do about Geno Smith?” My prediction at this point is that they will continue to associate themselves closely enough with him in order to maintain the possibility of a trade for the first pick in the draft.

Beyond that, while I’d like the Chiefs to consider Geno Smith for the first pick, I think it’s either going to be Luke Joeckel or Dion Jordan.

Why? Because the Chiefs wheel of fortunate evaluations says so.

How about it Addicts? Have we nailed the final four, three, or two… or is there someone else who could go… el numero uno?

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  • Chelsii.

    You’re fired

    • elly violette

      in your dreams,maybe!

  • elly violette

    I didn’t realize Dion Jordan is that good. When I look at his YouTubes, he looks like the most athletic player on the field. # 47 of Oregon looks good too… whoever he is… but, Dion Jordan is incredible. I’d be happy if the Chiefs made him the first pick in this draft…….. that is if they can’t trade down.

  • kmon

    Dee milliner lacks elite speed!? didn’t he run a 4.3 in 40 at the combine? what do you consider elite speed? a 4 flat? lol

    • ladner morse

      Yea… I didn’t get that one either. It’s part of the point of this piece.. that there are negative evaluations out there that have hurt a lot of prospects. Of course, these are evaluations that the public has access to and I’m sure each of the team have a final assessment on each prospects that doesn’t look anything like what we are privy to.

      • elly violette

        But Milliner really is fast and I don’t know why any evaluator would say he’s not. Are you saying there are analysts who are making up there own version of reality based on some agenda? I don’t know who to trust anymore.

        • micah stephenson

          Me and you aready talked about Geno and race. I noticed when you say Andrew luck or A.Rogers can scrable and extend plays or run for the 1st its a good thing. Then when you say the same thing about Geno its, scrabling QBs get hurt, read option is a gimmick, he needs to learn to play under center, whaaa whaaa whaaaa.

          • dominicscarlatti

            Actually, the “book” on Geno is that his fundamental instinct is to stay in the pocket and continue to look for a receiver. It’s one of many attributes that I really like about him. Honestly, for the alleged number one Geno Groupie, you don’t seem to know very much about his style of play…

          • ladner morse

            Yes… I think a lot of people have the same perception of Geno… for some reason. He’s really a pocket passer and a thinking-man’s QB. I wish people would get that. He’s not quiet because he’s stupid… he’s quiet because he’s a thinker. He’s always trying to think ahead.

          • dominicscarlatti

            Agreed. I love Geno’s cerebral approach. I think he’s got a little Manning in him…

          • Derek

            well this is why I compare him to aaron rodgers because he makes it happen once the play breaks down whether he stays in the pocket or throws it on the run he is dangerous–which is something as far I’m concerned KC has NEVER had. The knock about him that I’m always hearing about–prior to the nawrockii nonsense–was his footwork was a disaster and inconsistent at best. However all the scouts after his pro-day said they noticed he really cleaned it up workin at IMG with good old FSU Weinke and that’s when the talk of him being a top-5 talent in this draft came out. So it would appear I do know something after all lol. However there are some people on here that claim he’s not even a first-round talent and could slip to the 2nd. I would agree with that ONLY if there were both a luck and RG3 product in the draft because Geno is a project but one with such potential that I would draft him number 1 overall but I do have a bias. That said, KC has made a lot of moves that makes Geno the less-sensible move at this point and totally screwed themselves because of it. You all think I’m blowing smoke because I”m a little younger and more fired-up about this than you guys are but I’m with Leno Smithcastle on this one. Geno may not make perfect sense right now but I bet he would in the future and in a year or two every team will kick themselves for not taking him. Now the important question is WHO DOES make perfect sense right now? Star-questionable and another DT/DE that we dont’ really need depth at but would have an immediate impact I think based on the trickle-down affect of needing to occupy a double-team allowing better rush from the LBs. Jordan-doesnt really fit in any of our schemes but could be the jack-of-all-trades LB that could rotate inside on the run and can cover TE from getting those short to intermediate throws. Not too mention sutton could just throw him in to confuse younger offenses; another trickle-down effect. Both of those prospects sound fantastic in theory. Now look at the tackles…will they really improve the chiefs enough to warrant not having one of those 3 players that will have actual IMPACT at key positions? I have been told you can never have enough pass-rushers. Doesn’t the same thing also apply to QBs though? What’s more is we should finally just cut stanzi loose. If he couldn’t make the team with the brady-matt show last year there is no hope for him lol. Once we do this we only have 3 QBs and I might be wrong here but hasn’t KC been a team to keep 4 QBs always? So again Geno does make some sense here still just not as much as star and jordan but again all three of these players are questionable but if they pan-out would pay-off the most as well. I would love to hear what you think and without personal attack on me this time please lol.

      • Derek

        these evaiuators are all idiots lol. They have their biases and just really wanna fuck over the chiefs and the fanbase. To be in KC you’re cursed forever in sports….sigh…

  • Scott Mahurin

    I’d LOVE the Geno Smith pick. Unfortunately, I think you nailed it. Frankly, I’ve lost some confidence in r&d with their odd moves this off season.

    • elly violette

      For the most part… I’ve thought that r&d have made some solid moves this off season. Which moves do you think have been… “odd” ???

      • micah stephenson

        Odd moves. Trading pick 34 and a 3rd next yr for Alex. Cutting Winston. Trying to trade Albert. Downgrading from Dorsey to Davito. Signing Donnie oops I dropped it again Avery. Paying Fasano like he was good. Paid a punter more than min wage. Signed a QB with 7 career snaps as Alexs competition. And only got a lil better at the QB position instead of alot better(unless they get GENO, then they got alot better)

        • elly violette

          DeVitto instead of Glenn Dorsey is not a downgrade. Look up some info on DeVitto and you’ll find he was better against the run. Plus, Dorsey never was a factor in the passing game so the fact that DeVitto isn’t either shouldn’t make anyone sad. DeVitto is a tough guy… look him up.. he’s been good for years now.

          • dominicscarlatti

            I think you’re spot on here, Elly. Both Glenn and DeVito are good run stuffers, but not much more. Can’t blame Glenn for wanting to sign with the Niners, a team on the brink of greatness.

          • Derek

            I still trust seattle to win if they play against SF again

        • Derek

          I will agree with all except cutting Dorey that had to happen he wasn’t a fit and wasn’t living up to his potential granted I can see him being a star at SF now lol ohhh the irony but yeah some of the moves were great but cutting winson was a big mistake–kid didn’t cost hardly anything and was depth in the least– and then signing daniel was even bigger….they basically put themselves into a position of need going into the draft when they said time and time again we’ll go with BPA–complete bullshit–and made it so alex would feel comfortable and not have to worry about a rook taking his position tipping their hand that they won’t take Geno so teams won’t have to trade for him. If they pick joeckle with the 1st then this season is shot and the future of KC will continue mediocrity in pro sports. The only other let-down as bad as the chiefs have been has been the Jayhawks lol

          • dominicscarlatti

            Ahh…Doomsday Derek is back. Dorsey wasn’t cut; he was a free agent, was he not?

          • Derek

            okay no he was cut…lol….cutting free would be thw correct term i guess in your world? If you’re not resigned you’re cut. why disagree with that?

          • dominicscarlatti

            Because they are two very different things, Derek. Get a clue.

          • Derek

            alright fine personally I think they’re synonomous but whatever they were both removed then lol

        • Ron White

          I for one am glad you are not the GM for my Chiefs….Let’s see….Winston has not signed with anyone yet..even though he is such a great value, Trading Albert for more draft choices would be smart as he is replaceable. Avery’s does have some drops but his Catches and yards are nearly on par with Bowes, Fasano will be good in Reid’s system and worth the money, Colquit was unfortunately one of our best players last year and will be a weapon with an offense that can score and a defense that can shut down a long field, Daniels I will give you but he is way better than what we had as backups, Lil better at QB….as 12 better in the turnovers alone…please….

          • Tom Sparks

            Ron White… How have you been??
            If I am not mistaken, I tailgated with you, when I was “westred” on a different posting board! I am from Fargo, ND & it was cool meeting you and a lot of the other members, when I came down to Arrowhead with my son!
            You had a huge Tailgate Party set up, right when you entered a Parking Lot Gate that, I believe, was toward the back near Swope Park?
            You had given me directions. I remember BBQ’ed scallops and the back of your vehicle had enough Chiefs clothing to dress a small battalion!
            I believe it was a game against Seattle about 12 years ago! I hope this is the same Ron White! It appears to be by the excellent rebuttal you just gave Sandsmith! You are totally correct with your comment, but I would not waste too many replies with Leno….
            He has a big HO for Geno Smith and bad mouths ALL the moves our new GM/HC have made so far. And he is quite the Wordsmith! LOL!
            Good to see you are still commenting and giving a good account of yourself!
            I have had to go on Permanent Disability, due to several medical issues that cause me Chronic Pain! It’s not good, Pain Med’s & inner ear disorder….. I can’t even drive or be driven very far. I go a couple miles and I get vertigo so bad, I can’t see. So I don’t make it to Arrowhead anymore, but I have the Sunday Ticket, so it keeps my Chiefs fix satisfied!
            Good to see your still around!!!!

  • Kevin

    Let’s not kid ourselves and think it’s anybody but Luke Joeckel. Eric Fischer has an outside shot.

    • ladner morse

      Don’t you think that Reid and Dorsey have already decided which OT they will take by now? If they are going to take an offensive tackle at #1? Why wait until the last moment to decide which one you’ll take when you are already considering players at other key positions?

      They know they can only take one player at that position at this point in the draft so I can only imagine the decision was made some time ago. Then.. it becomes a process to comparing that OT position player against a player from another position.

    • elly violette

      Yes, I like Fisher too but Morse makes agood point that based on all the ‘negative” evaluations you’d have to think Joeckel will be the pick because he has so little negatives on his resume.

    • micah stephenson

      Thats wat I think. They drafting Luke. As uasuall our QB will just b handed the job. He didnt haft to earn it. No real QB competition. No real threat of losing yo job if you suck. No Back up QB. :(

      • Tom Sparks

        ???????????????

        • ladner morse

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Tom Sparks

            Lander,
            Smithcastle keeps reminding me of the tragic deficiency in cerebral neuro-nonsense, that seems to becoming more widespread in the human physiology these days!
            BTW, Mr. Morse, I love to read your articles…. Much appreciated by this Kingdom serf!

          • ladner morse

            Thanks Thomas. I appreciate it.
            btw.. it’s Ladner and not Lander. I have been called that so many times it always makes me smile. I kind of like it actually… “one who lands”……. :) However, Ladner is a family name from Scottland.

          • Tom Sparks

            Ladner….., Please accept my deepest apology for the dyslexia on my part! I, too, share a UK root on the family tree, but it tis English. Still a fellow Anglo Saxon connection is proving it to be a WEE WORLD, indeed!
            If you were a Lander, one could also say you were “ALIT, as it were….
            Please keep your prose ‘acomin lad, as they bloody well keep me fed on my taste for blarney and wit!
            TALLY HO, Ladner. ; ^{ )•>

          • dominicscarlatti

            Aye, Laddie…!!

          • dominicscarlatti

            Don’t you mean a tragic overflowing of cerebral neuro-nonsense?

      • Derek

        well TECHINCALLY we have daniel who can be an alright starter nothing exceptional but neither is alex lol so I would say there is competition in that sense. HOWEVER lets not forget about trick shot tanney. If that kid develops into a pro-ready thinker at the next level with his upside he is easily a pro-bowler….can you name a more accurate QB on the roster? Nope, maybe Geno….but yeah I like em both a lot and it all depends who runs a better offense and is the better at reading blitz packages….we have no clue what’ll happen to Geno but we do know that tanney isn’t quite ready but if we keep around which I would like–don’t see why we dont’ continue to keep 4 QBs on the roster like we always have anyway–he could develop into the next big thing with that pure arm talent and maybe Geno and him could learn as rookies together :) ahhh a true dream come true…wouldn’t have have to worry about QBs for the next decade then and can focus on really rebuilding this team an finding the next Jamal Charles becaues we’re going to need him very very soon–anyone believe cyrus gray can be that guy?

    • berttheclock

      One thing I like about Fisher is the fact he only weighed 230 in high school which cost him Big Ten offers, but, has added solid weight ever since and has the height to add even more. I really don’t buy into the Central Michigan not playing any body theme. Joe Staley came out of the same school.

      • ladner morse

        Maybe it’s because CMU was 10-4 the year Staley was a Senior but, Fisher’s CMU team was only 7-6 last year.

    • ladner morse

      No doubt – Fisher has a very good shot — Mayock just made him his #1 OT in this draft.

  • Mike Arnold

    i really do think that Jordan will give us the best draft choice. His ability is rare. But there is no way in hell we leave our O-Line with giant holes. After watching Jordan, I am a hell of a lot more comfortable keeping Albert as our LT and drafting Jordan. Pass rush could be scary good, as well as a LB who can cover TE’s.

    • ladner morse

      Yea, I think Jordan would be a more sexy pick. Picking an OL doesn’t turn anyone on too much but, l have to think R&D have a contingency plan for the whole OL. I’d like to keep Albert but his cap hit makes that unlikely unless they sign him long term. One way or another the next three weeks will be a magical mystery tour journey for those of us who follow the Chiefs closely.

      • berttheclock

        Oh, I don’t know about that, Ladner. Now, at my advanced age, testosterone has become somewhat fleeting, but, hey, Joeckel or even Fisher might create a bit of a tingle of sorts.

        • ladner morse

          LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

        • ladner morse

          BTW… thanks… we don’t get enough humor around here!

        • Derek

          you sir need to get back in the gym and try some test-booster then lol

    • KCinTX

      I would love it if we lined up with Hali, Jordan, Johnson and Houston.

      Jordan is the most explosive player in this years draft. Not as safe as either OT but you cant put a team on the back of an OT. We have all seen what effect a dominate pass rusher has on a team. When I remember the 90′s I think of D.T. and N.Smith. I would love to know a lead is safe. Besides we already went O in the 2nd. Need to go D in the 1st.

      • ladner morse

        My thought on that has been that if we have those four LBs that the Chiefs rotate them all on the inside. They are all so talented that none of them should really be forced inside to stay at ILB. It would cause havoc for offenses and it would create so much QB pressure — I love the idea of all four of them on the field at once!!!!!

      • elly violette

        Wow… Hali — Jordan — DJ — Houston…who’s not going to love that LB set?

        • Derek

          is jordan a clay matthews type prospect that will require a double-team? If so then THAT would be an awesome D with our improved secondary

  • Calchiefsfan

    If we don’t trade the pick it’s probably Luke. I still believe there is a good chance that somebody steps up and trades with us.

    • elly violette

      This would be my first choice… even more than drafting Geno. I think we need the picks and drafting more players in rounds 2-3 will be better on the pocketbook.

      • Derek

        I agree but there isn’t any value worth it if we do…the only way I would like that is get a second this year and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd next and if there is a team willing to do that well then Dorsey is a magician and I’m right that Geno becomes the next Aaron Rodgers; hell is Rodgers himself worth giving up all that for even?

        • dominicscarlatti

          So you’d be happy giving up the #1 overall pick and not receiving any 2013 pick higher than a 2nd rounder??? Maybe you’re hoping that we could get Manziel or another franchise QB prospect because you don’t rate Geno highly after all…?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron10gotti Ron Gotti

    The chiefs would be very successful with either Jordan or Smith I honestly prefer either one because they both have talent KC hasn’t had in a long time. I think either could change our franchise too

    • ladner morse

      Wow.. if the Chiefs don’t trade out then Jordan or Smith would be my personal favorites too. Absolutely!

      • micah stephenson

        Those are my favorite 2 too. GENO and Jordan.

        • elly violette

          They’re my favorite too but, if the Chiefs don’t solve their OT problem (signing Albertlong term or trading him) before the draft.. .they aren’t going to be able to even afford to sign any of the draft picks they end up selecting.

      • Derek

        Ladner I didn’t think you were a geno-phile like us lol

    • elly violette

      I’m right with you too. Of all the prospects out there I think Geno and Dion have the most eye popping talent… and yes… the Chiefs haven’t anything like either one of them like in forever.

    • Darkwolf1414

      Absolutely! I think you’re right on there.

  • elly violette

    How did Start Lotulelei get left out of this discussion? Seems like 8 weeks ago he was one of the favorites. I know he’s had a heart condiditon but, I thought that was just a hydration issue which was resloved. He seems to have fallen off the map. I’m not sure he’d be the best fit for the Chiefs since they took so many DL in the past 5 years…

    • ladner morse

      Maybe the shorts arms coupled with his medical condition pushes him down the list. Medical conditions have a way of disqualifying a prospect. The problem there is that the medical questions can ultimately remove a player from the field before they’ve hit it. Obviously, that would be tragic for a #1 pick. So, the safer bet is to move on to another prospect and leave the medical questions to another team further down the drafting board.

      • dominicscarlatti

        Ladner, I haven’t heard any definitive statement about Star’s condition, one way or the other. I wonder if it has been clarified?

        • Derek

          alright wait, I thought the medical condition was reported as a mistake from some dehydration issue? kinda silly if you ask me. I do agree he would be a great pick as well…but haven’t the past 2 years of those “sexy” d-linesmen proven we need to try something different?

          • elly violette

            Whether Lotulelei had a dehydration issue or not… I’d rather not see the Chiefs take another DL. The high picks need to be spread around the team

          • Derek

            as much as agree with this statement the problem is who else has the potential to add the most to this team “right now” because we’re going for the “win now” approach. personally I thought th future looked very bright with Geno but he doesn’t make sense with this new motto. Jordan doesn’t exactly fit so who does that leave? Would you rather take Star or Eric Fisher or..cringe…luke joeckle? lol eitehr way all this tackle talk just makes me stomach church and my enthusiasm drop to 0

          • dominicscarlatti

            Games are won and lost in the trenches, Derek.

          • Derek

            in the old days I would agree with that statement but tackles and d-line haven’t won us any games since we had the “beef” line 03. When you compare play-making ability at a team like GB does no depth, or run-game, no oline, and no d that can tackle, aside from double-teaming clay matthews there is no pass-rush either. Yet they still a rediculous amount of games every year do they not?? So the trenches clearly aren’t making much of difference for them but they trump us 10x over in wins which is disheartening. So yeah play-making ability at a few key positions clearly makes the greater impact. So I would think the value in gambling in the draft pays-off more than trench pick. Whether you agree or disagree it does not matter but they win a heck of a lot of games against similar or better competition than the cheaps play against on a normal sunday so I’ll rest my case.

          • Derek

            well then by this logic it would also make a lot of sense to draft 10 tackles and then we’ll have alex smith hand it off or throw it to one of those play-making LTs…..oh wait…tackles dont’ win games…with the all your talk about trench-winning I lost sight of reality. Thanks though for clearing that up, jerk.

          • elly violette

            Yes… and I’m still hoping Reid does some more digging out the trenches. At times I think the Chiefs have enough skill positions players…… they need now to focus on making the big boys up front better. Reid is suppoed to be known for this… but I’m still waiting.

        • ladner morse

          Yes.. he’s been completely cleared for duty. Doctors say his condition was all about de-hydration and not serious at all.

        • elly violette

          Yes.. I heard it too.. dehydration.

        • ladner morse
          • dominicscarlatti

            Thanks, Ladner. I heard about the dehydration, but wasn’t sure if there was a medical clearance because of it. Star would be an excellent choice for us. In fact, I’d be happy with any of the following as our #1: Joeckel, Fisher, Geno, Jordan, Floyd or Star. I think Dorsey has the right approach, namely BPA.

          • ladner morse

            It’ll be hard for me to accept Star or Sharrif. Another DL to add to the past five years of DL choices doesn’t make sense to me.

  • Jim Harper

    Laddie I have to take exception to your statement that a solid pass rusher never comes out in free agency. Just last year Mario Williams signed a huge contract with Buffalo. He is a pass rushing DE. Going back even farther and closer to home we lost Neil Smith to Denver in free agency who along with Derek Thomas was our best pass rusher from a DE. I am sure I could find plenty more with a little work. You asked if there was someone else, and I believe there is. Ziggy Ansah who at 6 can’5″ and 271lbs can be a DE in the 3-4 scheme and he run a 4.63 40. Can you imagine having him and Hali both coming at the same time? Every analyst I have read give glowing reviews of being the next Jason Pierre-Paul with huge upside.Most all of the mocks have him going in the top 5 with one having him going 2nd to Jacksonville. This move would also make the DL rock solid for years to come. The only down side I see to this move is it forces us to keep Albert. We have had horrible luck drafting QB’s beginning with Todd Blackledge, but even that pick makes more sense than drafting Geno. Blackledge had just finished winning the National Championship. Geno’s record was barely above .500. Even if the Chiefs were to draft Geno I can almost promise you he fails and then the town will turn on him in a heartbeat and then we will end up with another Cassel and have to start the process all over again. Remember that even Luck and RG3 had a very tough year which they could call successful but they got pretty beat up in the process, and Geno does not have a fraction of their talent. I would venture to say that Chase Daniel is a better option than Geno. He has been learning from the best in Drew Brees. I was all about drafting Geno until things began coming out that raised eyebrows. This position is the single most important on the team. We HAVE to get it right.

    • ladner morse

      Jim… great post as usual!

      Firstly, Mario Williams didn’t work out so well for Buffalo did he? Not sure that was a good example. Even Neil Smith was not a franchise DE in terms of being the best on the Chiefs roster and he only averaged 4 and a half sacks per year in his last 4 years in Denver.

      I was attempting to compare franchise pass rushers to franchise QBs in free agency. There might be some really good ones every now and then but, it is so rare… it wasn’t going to happen for the Chiefs this off season — and that was the point I was trying to make.

      I like Ziggy too but I think the catch with him is he hasn’t played very many games. I know a lot of GMs like a longer track record than one season to prove a player is committed to the game.

      The Geno-ome question is a moot point now. Geno will stay on the Chiefs list until draft day unless some team jumps up to trade for him. I don’t believe any of us… not even Reid or Dorsey… can read the tea leaves and know for sure one way or the other whether or not Alex will be better than Geno or if Chase will be better than Geno. However, it’s apparent everyone has an opinion — but how can any of us know for sure?

      That’s why I go back to Joeckel or Jordan.

      • Jim Harper

        You are right that Mario was a disappointment last year, but he was considered the top prize in free agency last year. It is not uncommon for a guy to struggle a bit during their first year with a new team

        • elly violette

          I thought Mario William has always under performed… just like Regie Bush. More hype than hit. I looked him up and Tamba Hali has one less sack and they both came out the same year. Hali has 80 more tackles over the same span. Once you are the first player in the draft… teams are going to think you’re made of diamonds when you might be closer to Cubic Zirconia. I’d take Hali any day of the week and especially on Sunday.

          • ladner morse

            Yes… Williams has been less consistent than Hali but most believe he is better and has a higher ceiling than Hali. But… I’ll tell you… no one out works Hali and that is what has made Hali a more valuable team mate.

    • Derek

      i love ezekial ansah but please he won’t be drafted high at all…he’ll probably go after 10 but most have him going around 15 to the saints…there is no way he’ll go number 2 overall lol the kid has ONE year…that’s why I believe patterson shouldn’t be going that high either. Would rather have T-awesome has the first receiver chosen. Also will ppl quit bringing up his season wins? The stats are all that matter…no team is good enough to win when they give up 28 average points a game except maybe the patriots or packers or my favorite in the NFC the seahawks. LOVE THEM an they draft better than anyone else BY FAR. Need to hire THEIR scouts more than anyone that has ever been affliated with KC. That said I have to give pioli credit where ti’s due Jamal Charles, tamba hali, derek johnson, justin houston, dwayne bowe….man if that cat had gotten the QB right he would still be in KC whether we like it or not.

      • dominicscarlatti

        What on Earth do Charles, DJ, Tamba and Bowe have to do with Pioli? They were drafted by Peterson/Edwards. Playing loose with facts again, Derek?

        • Derek

          are you positive of that?! all them were drafted in 2009 when pioli was in-charge…. but alright then now I must ask, WHO did pioli get that you can confirm? Also, I may not have all the facts but that’s why I’m here to discus and learn or is is it discuss? lol I just know one of them is a throwing disk used in track either way….It made sense to me that the guy who was in-charge had been the drafter at that time but when I make mistakes I dont’ mind being called-out; how else will I learn but The DOOMSDAY thing? lol alright I admit I might be al ittle negative but HOW can any one of you still be positive? Certainly you have to all be extrememly skeptical of what’s happened in recent months?

          • BigGil

            Nope. Charles was drafted in 2008, Bowe 2007, Hali 2006, DJ 2005. Pioli did sign Charles, Hali & DJ to extensions, but extending talent is not as impressive as identifying talent through the draft.

          • Derek

            thanks Gil I misspoke not teh first time if you’ve read any of my previous statements but again I’m a little new to studying the chiefs’ moves….been watchign football since I was 13 but only started following it when i was 19 and learned more in the past 3 years than anything that said, I’ve still been right on the money when it comes to NCAAB…aside from KU….jayhawks always find a way to disappoint lol. From what i’ve heard of the royals it’s a good thing I have no interest in baseball either but I will say as far as pure potential goes that sport has the most WOW moments at least it can…gotta love sportscenter highlights lol

          • dominicscarlatti

            With all due respect, Derek, you misspeak with each and every post. Details and yes, material facts are really important.

          • BigGil

            In terms of bonafide starters Pioli got Berry, Houston and Asamoah. Poe, Jeff Allen and Stephenson are too fresh to the league for me to quite place in that category. Also TJax, Dex, Kendrick, Bailey & Arenas (but until they pan out more I’m not gonna call those wins). Reid & Dorsey have their work cut out for them, but, yeah, our greatest starters (not acquired through FA, and with the exception of the first 3 I named) were not a result of good drafting by Pioli.

          • Derek

            well i appreciate you clearing that up for me

    • Derek

      by the way, what was it that “raised eyebrows?” the only knock on him was his footwork being inconsistent WHICH IS CORRECTABLE quite easily in fact. Then come his pro-day all the glowing reviews were that he cleaned that part of his game up so he cemented himself as a lock in the top-10 and clearly the best QB prospect–which means he goes more like in the top-5. I really can’t believe philly would take him because even though he’s the best fit for the team they have 3 QB’s already and have a lot of needs on D and also need a tackle–sounds a lot like KC ironically enough except they would have to give up for it while Geno is just there for us to take with nothing to lose for it– Then Nawroki’s racist loud-mouthed ass comes across weeks before the draft and ppl keep quoting that article like it’s “raising suspicions” and then his own teammates and coaches have come out and said blatantly that it’s false lol. What more do you need to know about Geno. Clearly the best talent in the draft but since we got two new QB’s and the jury is out on trick shot still that we dont’ really NEED a QB right now as much as we need a pass-rusher. what we really need is the next coming of J.J. Watt and if he’s in this draft find him otherwise take the QB.

      • ladner morse

        Yea.. the more I think about the timing of Nawrocki’s comments… the more it ticks me off.

        • Derek

          so here’s the million-dollar question: Did his biased remarks hurt Geno’s stock legitimately or had teams already made up their minds about Geno weeks ago? If it did hurt then I’m pissed-off about the whole thing lol. And really someone on here thinks it was a conspiracy that his coaches and players stuck up for him? They could’ve easily had done the same thing as mayock and just beat around the bush or even simply enough never had anything to say but the report was that Geno was notified by his coaches so they felt it was their responsibility to set it right with teh kid and the media which tells me that it was a legitimate BS move and that nawrocki and his sources should be burned at the stake for their slander…last I checked it’s not only morally wrong but ILLEGAL to spread filth about another person. it was a blatant attack on teh man’s character not his draft potential.

  • berttheclock

    Should Tank Carradine have a very good private workout, his stock may rise to the point the Chiefs could not be able to pick him up, even with an added 2nd round pick, and he would really be a reach to move to Number One, but, for your consideration, the following is a take by a Niners blogger, Taylor Price, which came out yesterday.
    http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49-in-49-DE-Tank Carradine/93b8ccf3-f497-4534-
    Of course, he is projected to be either a DE in a 4-3 or an OLB in a 3-4.

    • ladner morse

      bad link. can you repost?

      • berttheclock

        Sorry, Just checked and I saw two different htmls – easier to just Google the name of Tank Carradine and I believe the second listing will be the 49 in 49 which is the blog by Taylor Price.

        • ladner morse

          Yea… guys like that who have to overcome a some kind of adversity usually turn out to be very good players…. I watched some tape on him and if he returns to form he’ll be great…. I jsut didn’t like them projecting him to Denver to perhaps replace Dumervil.

  • David Miller

    Rush Limbaugh? Please keep the politics outa here. I hate politics and read here to get away from all that.

    • ladner morse

      Don’t you remember when Limbaugh worked for espn for a short time and they asked him to leave because he made similar remarks that Nolan Nawrocki has made recently? This is not about politics — it’s a comparison.

      • Derek

        yup he talked about the women’s rutgers team…who could forget his “nappy-headed” comment lol…what an idiot

        • ladner morse

          I think that “nappy-headed” comment was Imus. Mr. Limbaugh made comments about Donovan McNabb — after McNabb had already been to 3 straight Pro Bowls & was runner up in the league MVP — that were off base. What he said was this,

          “Sorry to say this, I don’t think he’s been that good from the get-go,” Limbaugh said. “I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”

          • Derek

            ooh yeah my mistake LOL sometimes I can’t help but show my youth

          • ladner morse

            Don’t apologize for that thing which half the population wishes that had.

        • dominicscarlatti

          Imus is not Limbaugh. Perhaps you confused them because their physical appearances are soooooo similar?

  • berttheclock

    Interesting the comments by pundits that Central Michigan might not play any competition worthy of developing talent. CMU has had a history of taking in unheralded TEs and working them into becoming very fine offensive linemen. One who left the program too early for that to happen was J J Watt, an undersized TE, who felt he needed more direction in his life and switched to Wisconsin, where he sat out a year, and grew into a beast of a DE.
    But, Joe Staley came to CMU, lowly rated, as a TE, who hated to block, but, learned his pass catching hands had turned to stone at CMU and, against his will, allowed himself to be developed as an OT. The scouting report on him coming out of college said he was only known to NFL scouts and he could be a late 1st rounder or an early 2nd Rounder. He was taken 28th by the Niners. Joe Thomas was taken at 3 and Levi Brown went to the Cardinals at 5. Marshall Yanda went to the Ravens at 86. (All rather “boring” picks which lacked the pizzazz of the Number One pick, JaMarcus Russell – Cue the trumpets)
    Eric Fisher entered CMU as a lowly ranked TE, but, grew into a fine OT. He is still learning and growing.

    • ladner morse

      No one is doubting that Eric Fisher deserves to be considered for the #1 pick in the draft. However, there is no doubting that CMU’s schedule is not as difficult as any schedule in any major conference which means he didn’t face competition that was as challenging as say Luke Joeckel.

      The point of this piece was that negative evaluations have taken away the opportunity for prospects to be considered for the #1 overall position. If Fisher is the Chiefs pick… I’ll be thrilled. I think he’s great.

      The only outcome I think would be better than the Chiefs drafting one of these fine gentlemen listed above… is being able to trade back and pick up more picks.

      The problem I see with that happening is that in a draft with no player, or players, peaking over the others with any kind of consensus (if there ever really is such a thing) … then it’s difficult for any teams to be enticed to jump ahead and want to make a trade… because of the picks they will lose.

  • Derek

    as much as I am pro geno the more and more I read about jordan I get thrilled by him but for the longest time weren’t teh reactions towards him that even though he’s talented he can’t fit our scheme?? if he were able to he’ have the most impact as the rookie over smith but my god when i tink about smith being the next aaron rodgers or donovan mcnabb I salivate lol….I’m just about ready to give up hope of drafting him but this tackle nonsense has to stop. If you wanna really piss off the fans draft joeckle at least fisher would have a presence on the field that would be felt…either way if we drafted a tackle and it was all we needed to win the superbowl sure i’d be stoked but we have way more to worry about than the o-line. Besides in the past month alone we already have put together a whole new o-line and trading albert wont help the team any unlesss it allows us to get that all so needed ILB which my pick then is K-state’s arthur brown but I would want a first an d a 3rd in the 2014 at the very least. That deal I could handle otherwise let’s just leave the trade ideas alone for awhile. If jordan is the guy great, if smith is the guy then we have the best leverage to trade or train and either way we could get a bundle for next years draft. If this isn’t the draft this year then we go .500 and prepare for next by trading smith for an arm and a leg: 1st,2nd, 3rd in 2014 and perhaps a compensatory in 2015?

    • ladner morse

      You make a good point… I think a lot of people don’t understand that the BPA includes the total value a player has… which includes that value they have to be traded and that’s why drafting Geno should still be in the plans… even if he doesn’t play during his rookie year… if the Chiefs want to trade him down the line they’ll still be able to get good value for him. Not true with any other position players.

      • Derek

        the question is will the value be high enough?? He is undoutably the future QB of some NFL team that’s something everyone can agree on how good? well he looks like the next aaron rodgers to me so I value him very high and would rather just have him BUT as a trade offer if ppl value him as highly as I do then he should be money in the bank to make preparations for 2014 and 2015 otherwise he we just trade him for something lowly like a 2nd and 3rd this year i’ll flip shti! lol and lose all confidence in dorsey and his ability to deal

    • KCinTX

      I started looking at the fact that whoever we pass on could wind up with the Raiders. Of the 4 listed above who would you hate to see in the Raiders line up. Dion Jordan must be the pick. Anything else would be uncivilized.

      • Derek

        a good point but would you rather be chasing Geno as well? both of those scenarios seem awful for KC lol. As much as we poke fun of at oakland I think they’re making some great moves under the new leadership and in 3 years time could be complete and competing at the same level as KC will be which if we’re playing a veteran Geno in that time I would be terrified to say the least lol unless we have THE SINGLE BEST pass rush in the league by that time. With that said, Jordan, if he were a fit would be a great selection. Now what abotu Star Lotulelie? Is he not a fit and would make tremendous impact right away on this team? But then again we’ve picked dlinesmen high for years now and that hasn’t really paid off for us either. Eh as a fan I’m very terrified of this pick because they’re all a gamble but because they’re all taking a chance I would rather chance it on Geno because one I’m biased because of believe in the kid and two that position should be the first addressed by any team unless they already have their answer which we don’t. We paid daniel a 3 year deal and alex 2 or 3 I wanna say so in 3-4 years if Tanney hasn’t stepped up we’re back to square one. Lock it in now and mold the future of KC and at least give fans something to be excited about–simple math if he works it pays dividends. If it doesn’t oh well what are we out? Have to look at opportunity cost more than anything and I for one, and a lot like me, are disgusted by the idea of a tackle. If it’s not QB or pass-rush then we’re really not giving anything up as tackle can always be addressed plus we already have a top 15 in albert who I have heard rated even higher. If we resign him we go Geno or Dion or even Star but nothing else is even acceptable unless austin somehow became a number 1 prospect lol. Think about this scenario: Geno-1 and Bailey-somewhere in the 3rd? Instant chemistry and guaranteed work-horses who can make BIG plays. What’s not to love??

        • KCinTX

          Its not his pass rushing that i am so worried about.. Even with his quick 1st step and natural lean toward the QB..Even after adding in the fact that he is as fast or faster than Smith does not make me cringe. Now back him up into coverage. He can catch as good as most TE and stands 6’6 or 6’7.. That shuts down most zone windows on his side of the ball. a QB would have to throw under him or the deep ball. nothing in between would be without a risk of being batted down or an INT. Now tell me , What kind of offence do you expect from Read and just acquired A. Smith? You having nightmares yet?

          • Derek

            you sir have me convinced I’ll jump on teh Jordan bus but again I thought he isn’t going to fit our team? if there was away to get him on the field without benching someone I would be allll for htis move but otherwise isn’t star the best D player to make an impact for us?

          • KCinTX

            Move Hali inside, He has slowed a bit and already has the size to be the thumper. Center and guards would then have to contend with DJ, Hali and Poe. Sweet middle pass rushing unit. Add the possibility of Jordan or Houston coming on the outside and we wont need anything but block eaters out of the DE positions. Good news all we have is block eaters at the DE position.

          • ladner morse

            I have wondered if Hali might be the one who could be moved inside. If so… by drafting Jordan and then mixing up the blitzers.. it could be holy hell for opposing QBs.

          • KCinTX

            I dont know if Hali can be moved inside or not. Given what we from Hali in the past. You could probably make him our punter and he would be one of the best punters in the NFL by the end of the year.

          • BigGil

            Hali moving inside probably wouldn’t be that great. Jordan getting drafted and playing inside makes more sense given his coverage and run stopping abilities (besides his pass rushing ability). Out of curiosity I went to nfldraftscouts.com and did a side-by-side between Jordan and DJ. The only considerable difference was 3 inches (Jordan being 6’6″ to DJ’s 6’3″); otherwise they are pretty much the same person athletically. So I really don’t see why Jordan couldn’t be drafted by us and put immediately to work at ILB. If something happens that Houston or Hali can’t play a game, slide Jordan over and go next man up at ILB. I’m personally hoping that next man up would be Mauti (I was born and raised on Penn State, and I thought he did incredible in the one game I got to attend this year… seeing him on film doesn’t do justice to seeing his play at ground level) or Nick Clancy out of Boston College (he put up impressive stats in the one season he got to play after Kuechly vacated the position, and I think there might be something special there that got overshadowed). But, anyway, it’s getting to the point where I’m so excited at the prospect of Jordan that I’ll probably be pissed if the Chiefs don’t go that route.

          • ladner morse

            Good post… I’d like to see the Chiefs go Kiko Alonso in the third if they don’t take Dion Jordan. I’m concerned that Jordan can’t take the pounding that comes with playing inside at ILB. Many think he needs to put on some weight just to play the OLB position… soooooo… that’s why I believe if the Chiefs go for Jordan… because I think he’s the most gifted athlete at the top of the draft… it would be a good idea to mix up the players playing ILB. Each ILB the Chiefs have now are just that talented… they could make mixing and matching work and consequently drive opposing QBs nuts.

          • elly violette

            I know LSU ILB Kevin Minter won’t be there by the beginning ofthe 3rd round… but, he’d be the perfect compliment to Hali, Houston and DJ.

          • ladner morse

            Unless Reid and Dorsey can either… 1) trade back out of the number one spot thereby picking up a 2nd round pick or… 2) trade Albert and pick up a 2nd round pick… then taking an ILB who can come in a start right away is probably not going to happen in the draft (assuming they don’t take Jordan at #1).

            The primary choice here is trading back out of the first pick because the Albert trade basically demands they turn around and use their number one pick on an OT since they would have just traded their LT away.

            You’d have to think R&D are doing what they can to get value in a trade for the #1 pick… but that… if it’s it’s going to happen… probably won’t happen… until draft day. They’ll also wait til draft day to make sure no other team comes along and offers more than may have already been laid on the table.

            Wouldn’t be great to be a fly on the wall and know what the actual offers already are. R&D have said they have already gotten calls… so… you have to hope the offers were real and reasonable and open ended so they can still be acted upon when the drafting moment arrives.

            The real coup for the Chiefs… would be making both trades… Albert and the #1 pick. Then they’d end up with two 2nd rounders and probably three players who would come in and start on day one. Talk about going young.

          • BigGil

            Jordan’s the same weight as DJ (248… or at least that was DJ’s weight coming out of college). His current weight would actually suit him better at 3-4 ILB. In general terms of weight, 4-3 DTs become 3-4 DEs, 4-3 DEs become 3-4 OLBs, 4-3 OLBs become 3-4 ILBs. Hali is 275 and Houston 258. Another plus for Jordan playing ILB for us is, if caught in a hurry up passing situation where the personnel can’t come out for a nickel package, but they wanna show something different than a 3-4, they could do an onfield switch to a 4-3 with Hali’s hand in the dirt and Jordan sliding over into the now vacant OLB position. Result: 3 exceptional pass rushers in position to apply pressure on short notice. Again, the more I think of the prospect of what Jordan could do for us, the more I’ll be pissed if we don’t take him…

          • BigGil

            I think experts and pundits are so hung up on his pass rushing ability that they just assume he should be drafted to play 4-3DE or 3-4OLB (the best positions from which to generate a pass rush) that they’re neglecting to consider that he could be a beast at 3-4ILB in the right LB corps (KC being one of those LB corps).

          • ladner morse

            Yep… I’m leaning more and more towards Jordan too.

          • ladner morse

            Yep… I have to say… with a strong LB corp.. the other defensive deficiencies should all diminish. I’m getting more and more sold on Jordan all the time.

          • Tom Sparks

            I, too, must agree on the freakish athletasism

      • elly violette

        Great question. Who would I like least to go to the Raiders? That would probably be Dion Jordan or Geno Smith.

      • ladner morse

        The more I consider Dion Jordan.. reading about him… watching his tape… the more I’d have to go with him here. I really don’t want the Raiders to get him. It’s hard to imagine the Chiefs having to face him for the next four years (I say 4 years cuz no one ever wants to stay there any longer than that, right?). :)

        • elly violette

          Interesting comment… I know you were joking but, it makes me wonder what the average lifespan foran Oakland Raider has been in the past ten year. It may not be four years.

  • berttheclock

    What if Dorsey just wanted to choose a vowel?

    • ladner morse

      Then he better be very polite to Vanna…. and then pick Barkevious Mingo… because he can get all the vowels he wants … and even in a-b-c order… in the dude’s first name!

      • Derek

        LOL brilliant

      • elly violette

        OMG… LOL…..

    • elly violette

      If Dorsey needs to buy an “E” maybe he should take — Khaseem Greene. :)

  • dominicscarlatti

    Surely Nolan Nawrocki is the snarkiest draft pundit of all-time?! I get a chill and my skin begins to crawl every time I read something he’s said…

    • elly violette

      Nawrocki sickens me. I don’t know how analysts like him can keep a job. In fact this is probably the only way they do keep their jobs… by being controversial. Although, they don’t realize how cheap and petty they sound. I don’t believe he deserves to getthe national attention as he does. I also have to say that when Mike Mayock came out in defense of Nawrocki, it lowered my opinion of Mayock.

      • ladner morse

        Yea… I saw where Mayock stood up for Nawrocki’s character. I don’t get it… but, my respect for Mr. Mayock took a big hit..

    • Tom Sparks

      Awesome! ‘Nough said!!

  • KCPauly

    The statement about Blackledge is so assine, you sound so typical oh no we drafted a bust QB 30YEARS AGO, lets never try again…you people kill me

    • ladner morse

      I don’t think anyone has mentioned him all day and my post didn’t.

      Who mentioned Blackledge?

      • elly violette

        Blackledge is old news…….. let’s move on.

      • KCPauly

        Laddie, I can’t seem to find it either, maybe it was posted on one of the other articles, today, it eluded to that Blackledge was a better pick at the time than Geno would be now, sorry I can’t put a name on it but it irked me when I seen it I am so tired of being afraid, see my post on jason’s article about the smith debate

        • ladner morse

          Pauly… I read your post at the battle of the two Smiths. I spent a long time wanting Geno… I still do to some extent. I think he will be an excellent NFL QB … and then what will we do? It’ll be more crazy bad KC legacy to sing about as we gather around the kick-ourselves-again-campfire.

          However… now.. management has painted the team into a “gotta solve the OL” corner and they will probably have to use the #1 pick to help them get out of that corner.

          After doing more research about the top prospects it’s my opinion that Dion Jordan is the most skillful and flexible prospect who happens to play a position of need… LB. He would not only work a ILB but offer the extra pass rush option the Defense desperately needs. On top of that, at 6-6, he’s also athletic enough to cover TEs over the middle or in space. The guy’s multi-talented and worthy of being name the first pick in this draft.

          Whether or not the Chiefs will… it’s still anybodies guess right now.

          • KCPauly

            Yeah, I don’t think I am really impressed this far with R&D, Reids Mancrush for AS just cost us too much I think, I don’t really have anything against him other than we gave too much, then then cut/piss off out G/T and like you said painted themselves in a very bad corner as far as I’m concerned, they spent up all our cap money on basically, mediocre players and gave us no flexibility in the draft, I just think Reids Mancrush is really going to cost us, believe me I hope I’m wrong, but because AS came back and beat the Eagles, Reid thinks the guy is the second coming of Montana or something, I know he had a couple of good seasons, but I think alot of it was do to supporting cast, I vowed not to be a negative Nelly until R&D give me reason to, but I can say I am not at all impressed, I have been a fan for over28yrs. and we draft scared since I have now we have to take an OL with the number 1 our only #1 ever, c’mon man, it’s just sickening to me , Oh wait it’s just sickening to be a Chefs fan sometimes, I live in N.Idaho never been to KC but been very loyal for a long time, been beat down by friends and everybody else for being a Chiefs fan, and would like for once for us not to something stupid and be more than mediocre. SIGH…GO CHIEFS!!!

      • Tom Sparks

        Ladner, I will have to confess!
        It was not today, but about a week ago, when Genoitis was running rampant in the Chiefs Kingdom, I mentioned that my buddy and I coined the term “A Blackledge”, 20 years ago. It was the term shouted at the TV, when any QB had a horribly thrown ball that wobbled uncontrollably, ungulating through the air, that was lucky to be anywhere but off the mark! Formally known as the “lame duck” non-spiral.
        The chump couldn’t throw a spiral, if his grandmas life depended on it!
        He was a total embarrassment not only the Chiefs, but to the position of QB!
        So, I am innocent of any comparison to Geno, even though I am not sold on him. Too much of a risk to take him in the top 5, if not 10, IMHO…

        • ladner morse

          Yea… but Blackledge… was a whole lot better than that clown Miami got 20 picks later… what’s his name… uh… Marino… yea, Marino. I’m pretty sure that was his name. Yep… we lucked out on that one. Whew! That was toooo close for comfort!

          • Tom Sparks

            LOL

  • KCMikeG

    I am looking for one ticket to the Season Ticket Holder Draft Day Party. Please let me know if you would be interested in parting with one.

  • Jamie Denton

    As far as my opinion I am with the safe bet with either Joeckel/Fisher Or Dion Jordan. My reasoning is this there are better QB’s in future drafts! If we go offensive line we can start either at RT then see what is going to happen with Albert and if we trade him we will have a 2nd round pick and a LT. Then we signed a free agent RT who can also play guard So the tackle positions could be secured with what we already have! or I wouldn’t complain with Jordan either! Putting him in on sub packages to replace Tamba would not be a bad idea as I love Tamba but he is not the best in pass coverage! We could also bring him in in certain blitzing packages, and have all 3 LB’s Houston, Hali, and Jordan all in at one time! As for the QB position I feel if we solidify our line A. Smith will surprise a lot of the doubters out there under coach Reid, and C. Daniels as a backup I have no complaints there either, as he has sat and learned from one of the best in Brees, plus if you haven’t seen tape on him go back and watch him play QB at Mizzou! Great arm, good pocket presence, and the guy can run when needed and is considered a running threat! P.S. I read somewhere last night where Ryan Lylja is thinking about coming out of retirement and he and the Chiefs have been talking contract. What are your opinions on this Addicts?? As for me if the price was right I would definitely like to have Ryan back as I think he would make excellent depth at both the guard and center position! But the price would have to be right!!!

    • ladner morse

      I’m very surprised that the Chiefs are talking to Lilja because I don’t think his 6-2, 290 frame is anything like what Reid seeks in his linemen. If however, he is only coming in to be back-up and not compete for a job, I can understand it. Also, from a personality standpoint, I think he and Reid would jell well.

      Great post Jamie.

      • Jamie Denton

        Thanks Ladner! I agree size may be an issue for what coach Reid is looking for but in a backup role I think he would fill in nicely! plus he can play either guard or center which is a plus, and given his veteran leadership he could definitely help the young guys on the line we already have and the possible ones we are bringing in! And let’s not forget he played with Manning in Indy so he knows the guy pretty well and they have playoff and SB experience together, so that doesn’t hurt either! Plus he’s from KC!!

        • ladner morse

          Maybe he just ends up being an tutor for Hudson during camp… because with all the players they have brought in… it’s hard to see Lilja making the team and more importantly… some young gun OL NOT making the team because of Lilja. We’ll see.

          • Jamie Denton

            Very true! Plus I am sure coach Reid has an interest in picking his brain about P. Manning as well! Wouldn’t hurt to have someone on your team if even for just awhile with that type of inside info. on the one man you need to defeat in the AFC West!!

          • ladner morse

            Yep… the Manning connection can only help… with Reid switching from the NFC East to the AFC West… he will need all the insight he can get!!!!!!

          • elly violette

            Yes. but, how much help can Lilja possibly be with regards to Peyton Manning? Afterall, Lilja was on the Chiefs roster last year… and the Chiefs lost twice to the Broncos by a total of 57-12. If Lilja was going to help… don’t you think he would have already done that? Or……… at least helped a little more than it looks like he did? Or in this case… didn’t.

          • Jamie Denton

            You are forgetting who the coach was last year compared to the coach this year! Maybe lilja did try to help coach crenel or maybe lilja wasn’t asked about manning at all, I mean think for a second who we are talking about here this is the same coach who when asked why the chiefs lost came up with the brilliant answer “I don’t know”. Makes me think of spicolli from fast times at ridgemont high (the movie). I am sure you won’t hear that answer this year or any year from coach Reid! Look back at his post game interviews he always has answers!!

    • elly violette

      I don’t like the idea of Lilja at all. He retired and he should stay retired. He wasn’t good last year and why would anyone want to put him in… he will only be a weak link on the line whenever he is out there. JUST SAY NO!

      • Jamie Denton

        Elly, in Ryan’s defense he did have to play( center) last year and lets not forget he is an( NFL Guard!) I thought he did fine for never ever playing the center position, and having to go up against top notch NFL players at the center position isn’t easy! making sure everyone is in position, there is a lot more to that position than just hiking the ball to the QB and blocking the guy in front of you! If you bring him in as depth only he has more plus’s on his side than minus’s that can help the team rather than hurt them (check out my reply to Ladner Morse “right above your post” ). It would all come down to me if the price is right! Give a home boy some love he is a KC native!!!

        • elly violette

          So… Lilja would be a kind of on-field coach to Rodney Hudson? I like the idea of that. I can’t find the post you’re talking about to Morse… but, KC homeboys get all my lovin’ — for sure baby! Go Chiefs!

          • Jamie Denton

            yea sort of, he would be used as depth if someone went down at either the guard or center position, but the players could also pick his brain and learn from all of his experience as well! Plus lets not forget he was on Indy’s line through all of the playoff and SB years so he knows P. Manning very well! So that inside info wouldn’t hurt either!

          • elly violette

            Yea… you make a good point… it’s hard to deny that Lilja has that SB experience under his belt.

          • Jamie Denton

            Exactly, plus he’s a former Chief who knows a lot of inside info. on Peyton Manning, and I am sure that Coach Reid Would like to have someone like him to learn all he can about Mr. Manning as I feel the Donkeys will be the only thing keeping us from winning the West this year!

    • Derek

      really like your post except you’re forgetting that if we do .500 or better there won’t be any QBs for us to even look at in upcoming drafts unless we pull an oakland and sell the farm for him…I guess I’m just going to accept the Geno dream is done and hope that star or jordan pan out…as far as a tackle goes…come on…really!!!!! that will take away all excitement I have in watching this team this preseason unless trick shot starts a preseason game lol–like that’s going to happen though

      • Jamie Denton

        Derek, thank man I appreciate you enjoying my post! as for future drafts if we do good enough to where we don’t need to draft a QB in a later draft I am not going to be one to complain that is for sure!! And who is to say Reid/Dorsey do not have a plan in place in this years draft to go after a non Geno Smith to groom behind A. Smith. They have pulled some shockers thus far as far as I am concerned! As far as the tackle situation it would be great if they could go Jordan with the 1st trade Albert and then have the 3rd tackle behind Joeckel/Fisher fall to them in the 2nd I would be happy with that as well! But as far as the pre-season goes I don’t think we will have to worry about non excitement, I think our Chiefs will be out there getting the job done better than ever with a new attitude, especially if we get behind them and bring arrowhead back to life like back in the good old days of the tommy hawk chop and the deafening crowd noise that was known around the league for causing opposing offenses penalties!! And watching trick shot tanney well you just never know maybe our receivers will adapt little barrels to wear around their waists for him to throw into LOL

  • elly violette

    Morse… wanted you to know I enjoyed the Wheel of Fortune theme… but you forgot something very important… VANNA Whiite! What’s a good Wo F without Vanna?

    • ladner morse

      Good point. Maybe you could be our Vanna next time around??? What do you say?

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