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Branden Albert Trade? Chiefs Seeking Multiple Draft Picks


The Kansas City Chiefs are shopping LT Branden Albert and now we know how much they want for him.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Chiefs want a 2013 second-round pick and a 2014 pick in return for Albert.

From Schefter:

Unless the Chiefs plan on replacing Albert with the 2013 second-round pick they get for him (if they get one for him) it is seeming almost a slam dunk that the Chiefs will select a tackle with the No. 1 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

I don’t get it. I know the Chiefs want to get extra draft picks, especially since they traded away their second-rounder this year for QB Alex Smith. But I don’t understand trading a known commodity for an unknown commodity even if the unknown commodity is younger and cheaper.

The other perplexing thing is that the Chiefs cut RT Eric Winston. If they trade Albert then they will have parted with both their starting tackles from last season. If they are going to get Albert’s replacement in the first round of the draft, who is going to replace Winston on the right side?

I don’t like it.

Tags: Kansas City Chiefs

  • Spencer

    me no like aswell

  • nathan82

    I have to believe that there are injury concerns or that he just flat out won’t be resigning long term with the team. That is the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise I agree with you.

  • ArrowFan

    A first this year and a conditional 2014 anything else and he can play under the tag. If he is hurt then we shouldn’t of tagged him at all. I think this trade Albert talk is just a game to get his agent down on the price of a long term deal. Because we can still draft his replacement.

    • ArrowFan

      Or it could be a way of proving to Albert that if he was worth the money he is asking for then someone would have traded for you, so just sing the deal we are offering you:) Follow the $$$$ follow the $$$$.

      • KCMikeG

        Your idea is right on the $$$$$.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I agree. He is in his prime. If he passed his physical then he is good to go. See if you can get someone to pony up a late first for him. That is what we paid for him.

      • mg2098

        Second contract players don’t cary the value of an elite player in his first. I don’t see Albert as an elite LT. He’s good, but not elite. I think he carries the value that the Chiefs are asking for. He obviously wants to get paid like a top 5 LT but I really don’t think he is.

  • Lyle Graversen

    Keep in mind, the Chiefs were going to let Albert walk in free agency. If they didn’t get Bowe’s deal done in the last hour before the deadline they would have tagged Bowe and let Albert walk. Getting the deal done with Bowe allowed them to tag Albert (a valuable asset) and now they are trying to get a 2nd round pick out of that asset. It’s clear to me that the Chiefs aren’t interested in making Albert the long term answer at LT.

    I don’t know why that is. Maybe it’s that they don’t feel he’s good enough to be worth the money he’s demanding. Maybe they don’t think he’s a fit style of play wise for what they want to do with the offensive line. Maybe they don’t trust his back to hold up for the length of a long term contract. Whatever the reason it seems clear that they aren’t on the Albert bandwagon. So I see two possible scenarios from where we are right now. One is that they trade Albert and get a 2nd round pick out of him and clear up some cap space. The other is that they keep him for one more year (paired with a first round pick) and then he walks next year in free agency.

    I would MUCH rather they get something for him now than let him walk for nothing next year. Especially since trading him would clear up the cap space to sign a RT. So that gives you Joeckel at LT, possibly a free agent like Volmer or Smith at RT, and a 2nd round pick that should be able to walk in a contribute right away with the talent in the 2nd round this year.

    Keeping Albert would likely mean either he is at LT and their top pick would play RT his rookie year (delaying his development at LT) OR they force Albert to play RT in which case it appears that Albert could be a problem with all his insistence that he’ll only play LT. Plus in this scenario we’ll likely lose Albert in a year and don’t have a 2nd round pick.

    I just think given what we know that trading him is the best option.

    I get that most people would like them to keep Albert long term and not draft a LT in the first round. What people need to come to terms with is that everything we’ve seen and heard from Reid and Dorsey point to this not happening. You can be upset about it. You can be in denial about it, but if you look at their actions so far that’s how it is. So given the fact that they don’t want to give Albert a long term contract and want to draft a LT doesn’t trading Albert make the most sense?

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I am of the belief that you don’t get better by losing good players in their prime so you can waste draft picks to get younger, unknown versions of that player.

      Cut average (barely) players like Tyson Jackson and replace them with equally as talented (not going to be that hard, seeMike DeVito) players and free up the cap room. Sign Albert long-term. Draft a tackle for all I care and play him on the right side. Now your line is set.

      Or draft Milliner and now you are set at CB for years.

      I will say this, if the Chiefs get that second-round pick back, they better damn well get a starter with it. No more of this Arenas, McCluster crap. I want Justin Houston’s

      • Kyle Hershberger

        very well put, having Albert for one year and the chance to resign him for another whole year to a long term deal is valuable, plus there would be no verteran leadership on that line if Albert goes.

        • Lyle Graversen

          Based on his twitter comments, Albert does not appear to be the “veteran mentor” that guys like Winston and Lilja were. A guy like Volmer at RT would bring just as much leadership as Albert would.

          • Jim Harper

            Probably would bring more. Albert is not the leader type. He is very soft spoken. I have met him and although I think the world of him he just is not the leader type, plus Vollmer brings RT experience.

      • Lyle Graversen

        I agree with that philosophy, but again, based off the information we have it appears that for whatever reason Reid/Dorsey don’t like Albert as their long term LT. I wish they did, but it appears that they don’t. Given that information the best thing we can do in that situation is trade him and get something back for him. We almost lost him for nothing had Bowe not signed his deal.

        • Jim Harper

          You are exactly right Lyle! Why so many think they know what is better for the team than Reid/Dorsey just blows me away. As you said, we have no idea why they are moving away from Albert, but at this point I have certainly learned to trust their judgement. That IS why they were hired after all. My best guess is at the end of the day when all the dust has cleared that their plan will make a lot of sense.

          • Joe Myers

            yeah right this kind a move tells me that they dont believe b/a wants to play for the chiefs as much as he did . They said they want to keep Albert Lang term then turn around and shop him . I think b/a does not like the direction we are going in and Dorsey and Reid sense that . But its a stupid move just creating your own problem . I hate you Alex smith .

      • Killerdoctor27

        I 100% agree with EVERYTHING you just said!!

      • TAZMOSIS

        Patrick, you nailed it. Pioli’s gone, and now we in Chiefs Nation don’t want to see any more reaches in the second. Arenas will never be more than what he is now. Maybe with Reid we will see a new model of the old McCluster. These round one and round two picks (if we get a round two), need to come in and start. And, I do agree with you on the Albert thing. Although I have a different take. Goes something like this. Reid just tells Albert, “Brandon, you are a valuable part of this new team we are putting together. We need you at right tackle. And, by the way, we are paying you left tackle money. Be a team guy, and lets see what happens next season. Then, if you want to go elsewhere and play on the left side, we’ll try to work it out. But, you may decide that the Chiefs are the best fit for you”.

        • redchiefs

          I like your slant on it, I know Albert’s reaction is typical, and exaggerated because of fans hounding him on twitter. Draft the kid, let him compete, if Albert beats him he plays RT, if the kid wins BA moves to RT. OR BA could move inside to guard where he was a beast in college. I know he’s a very good tackle, but I still believe he’d be a beast inside, maybe even better than Will Shields.

    • Tyler Alexander

      I totally agree with Lyle. Trade him for a 2nd, cut Studebaker, use the cap space to sign Volmer who will obviously be cheaper plus a veteran middle linebacker like Dansby. I dont think anyone wants two rookies looking to start next to DJ that are 3rd round or lower talent. Then use #1 on best LT and #2 on the best OLB available to replace Studebaker. The teams better this way…

      • Jim Harper

        BINGO

    • Justin R Groth

      It weird to get rid of BOTH your starting tackles at once. Also I’m not sure how much more can improve since he only allowed 1 sack last year. You would think Ried/Dorsey would want to protect their investment into their jobs better than with a rookie against opposing teamsBEST pass rushers. oh well I have been told to be a “good” fan and accept the new regimes decisions however you don’t get better by getting rid of one of a few good players on your team.

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        Yeah it just doesn’t make sense. I am sure they have a plan for the cut Winston, trade Albert draft Joeckel scenario, I just would like to know what it is.

      • Lyle Graversen

        I’m starting to think it has to do with how they would like to use their OL. I’ve heard several people say that all the KC OL could do was run the stretch zone blocking scheme and that they were almost always overpowered by the more physical defensive fronts. Maybe Reid wants more of a power OL (like SF) that can push people around at the point of contact. Obviously that’s just speculation, but KC hasn’t exactly dominated the line of scrimmage in recent years.

  • micah stephenson

    Wow. They better keep Albert and Stephenson and draft GENO SMITH!

    • Jim Harper

      We know who you are!

      • micah stephenson

        Duh! Its me Leno! Lol

        • KCMikeG

          You’re a funny guy Micah!

          • micah stephenson

            I get that all the time but im not as charming or good lookin as Micah. I do agree with Micah about the chiefs needing to draft GENO SMITH!

          • KCMikeG

            Oh I see. Like that Leon Sandcastle is an uglier Deon Sanders. Thanks for clearing that up!

  • redchiefs

    It’s the back, can he play a full season? He’s passed the physical, what is his record as far as games played per season since becoming the left tackle? He plays at a very high level, but I cant see them paying what they under the tag for someone who can’t go a whole season. What would his worth be per year under a 5 year contract, can he hold up that long? Chiefs are kind of in a quandary.

    • Justin R Groth

      He averaged play/start 15 out of 16 games a year during his career before last year’s back issue. that being said why have him DO a physical if your not going to trust the results?

      • KCMikeG

        Unless the results are what is giving them reason to trade him now.

        • Justin R Groth

          Whoever last I heard he passed

          • KCMikeG

            You can pass a physical today but still have the potential for issues to be more likely down the road. Back injuries and OL frequently spell trouble. If they can get a couple of picks now when they could end up in a year or two with with a top 15 LT and his big $$ long term contract on IR. There is risk no matter what but IMO it is the uncertainty of the future that is creating the desire to get some value out of Albert via the trade.

          • redchiefs

            I had a back injury that I recovered from, mostly. I can still inflame it by putting too much pressure on it while I bend or twist at certain angles. NFL players have far greater access to doctors and treatment than I did and the treatments themselves have evolved tremendously. However, playing LT at the professional level probably creates the same pressures at basically the same angles repeatedly during games and throughout the season. There is an increased risk it might go out again if he continues to put similar pressures at similar angles. Maybe moving to the RT would extend his career, and maybe it’ll never go out again.

          • KCMikeG

            Makes sense but he has had to listen to the move him to LG or RT talk so much for so long his ego is demanding respect and that means a long term pay day at LT.

          • Justin R Groth

            Sorry but that basically means they shouldn’t do a physical because they are still making thoer minds up how they think it should be. Back problems can be bad for OLINE but wasn’t that why we wanted them to tag a play? I have pulled my back Muscel once hurt like hell for a while now I’m fine. Another guy on my crew did the same now he pulls it from time to time while I’m fine. different people heal different ways. we have him tagged right now so let’s see how he healed

  • mg2098

    I really like the moves Dorsey is making. I guess it all comes down to how much you like Albert. Remember that Albert struggled early on at LT and has grown into the position very well. I think he’s a solid LT now, but what I like out of Joeckel is his nasy streak. Gotta love an LT that play with aggression. I think that player like Joeckel can raise an O lines play as a whole. Ablert to me is just steady as she goes. I really think the Chiefs will have a better O line when all is said and done. essentially the Chiefs would have traded B. Albert for A. Smith knowing that the best player available in the draft is a LT. They have that part set up regardless with the release of Winston. Who I was never really a big fan of. I believe Reid is high on D. Stephenson and he will do well at RT. Now with Geno Smith rising on the draft board the Chiefs have a chance to get more draft picks trading out of the #1 spot. This draft has said to be full of potential starters all the way into the 3rd round. I think Dorsey sees this and plans on getting that depth the Chiefs so desperately need. So not only will an Albert trade garnish picks, but so will trading out of the #1 spot. I like where the Chiefs are going.

    • KCMikeG

      Excellent perspective.

      • RepOurChiefs

        Ditto!

  • Danny W

    Albert is going to be the victim of buyers remorse for the Chiefs. I think they know they gave up too much for Alex Smith and are going to have compensate and get a second rounder. I personally don’t care if we keep him or not as long as they get at least a high second rounder for him..

  • sidibeke

    I’ve actually warmed up to the idea of the trade for #1 OT. I know the rookie is unproven, but to my memory/knowledge, the bust risk for an O lineman as highly regarded as Joekel and Fisher is pretty low.
    Ultimately: Get Alex Smith, RT at #1, cap space to sign RT or RT in draft with #2 or one of 2 #3s. Albert is a good LT, but he’s top 10. He’s not elite; we have the chance to take an elite LT.
    Many of us wanted to take a much greater risk at the QB position; I’m embracing the idea of taking a risk at LT.

    • Joe Myers

      is their really an elite Lt ???? We are trying to trade a top Lt for a potential Lt ??? Where is the logic . Really ink him for the year draft luke groom him for the Lt . Trade our #1 pick and BA and a future pick to get into the top ten draft spots next year . And draft a QB . But then again that would involve actually trying to win a SB and ha dont make me laugh . …….. Dame my loyalty im stuck with mediocrity for the rest of my life . Hahahaha we will get no where no SB win for us we just get to watch our chiefs rely on every one else QB to fail and never our own ….. Whatever…. I hate you Alex smith .

      • sidibeke

        You don’t use your #1 pick on a player who needs to be groomed.

  • toperspective

    Maybe Albert is asking for ridiculous money so the Chiefs feel they are better off getting something for him while they can. Besides, he’s very expensive.

    • steve james

      As are any LT in the league that only gave up one sack to a quarterback that held onto the ball like Gollum did the ring.

      • nathan82

        Nice.

        • steve james

          I chuckled when I typed it :)

      • toperspective

        That’s funny

      • KCMikeG

        Bahaha! Lord of the Dings? Cassel really took a beating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.vergil.7 Chris CooLkidd Vergil

    I want the Chiefs to pick up Brian Urlacher.. he wont be expensive and will complete the last puzzle with tamba hali, justin houston, and Derrick Johnson. It would be a KILLER DEFENSE. .!!

  • dominicscarlatti

    I saw an estimate the other day that we are at 119 million with the cap, roughly 4 million under. If Albert wants 10 million or more per season to re-sign with us, then I think it’s perfectly reasonable to consider trading him. There are a number of intruiging 2nd or later round prospects at OT in this draft, so I think we might wind up with considerable flexibility with our top pick this way.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Larry-Vandesande/1692334818 Larry Vandesande

      This is a good post that helps explain the situation. Because of the rookie salary cap, Chiefs can sign their first round pick and play him for less than they are paying Albert. The advantage of second-round picks in they cost less and they sign four-year deals, not five-year deals like first round picks. Everyone in the NFL loves second round picks.

      • dominicscarlatti

        Exchange Joeckel or Fisher for AB and gain maybe 5 million under the cap.

    • KCMikeG

      Quessenberry is the one and is available in the 3rd – 4th round.

      • dominicscarlatti

        We do need another center. Maybe Quessenberry is even available for #96…

  • chiefridgy

    If you’re dead set on getting rid of him you might as well get a couple of draft picks for an outstanding player.

  • Arrowhead Magic

    If we do make a trade like this happen I’d still like to see us trade out of the number 1 slot. We may lose out on Joeckel but I don’t see a big difference in talent between him and Fisher or Johnson. Plus with the extra picks we can fill our need at ILB and RT (unless we go with Stephenson there).

    • KCMikeG

      Agreed. In fact I like them both better. Plus another #2 and maybe another pick plus BA’s #2 this year We could pick top 10, have two 2nd round picks and two 3rd’s. Five top 100 picks (10 overall) plus Alex Smith and an excellent group of FA’s. I’m thinking I like this plan.

  • Rcjk

    i thought the point of getting rid of Eric Winston was to have enough money to keep Branden Albert? if they trade Branden Albert for a couple of picks even though we already own the top #1 pick then why the hell did we let go of Eric Winston? Luke Joeckel better be worth it if this happens

  • NathanaelL

    my question is why did you think they were going after a rt for the first draft pick? This draft is also deep on the line don’t be surprised to see them pick up another ot with his traded pick.

  • NathanaelL

    Sorry guys I have just never been impressed with the guy. Im not upset to see him go. good bye. maybe I was spoiled by the line the chiefs had in the past. Justas long as we dont do what herm did and forget about the line altogether.

  • cyberry

    Still it hard to imagine a team given up a lot for a LT who didn’t start the last 4 games. Plus since he has just signed his tender, he would be a free agent next year. Why would it be easier to sign him in a long term than the team that drafted him..His agent was said he want to get paid like a top 5 lineman..that’s got “Buyer Beware” all over it… This all sounds like the Chiefs are taking their time signing Albert to get the right deal and to keep the rest of the NFL confused about who they are picking til draft day..

    There are supposably only 3 LT lineman to come in and start..If the league think the Chiefs are going to take one, that makes teams thinking of trading up. Just like saying ..”Geno’s not out of it”.. IMO..giant smoke screen to get best deal…

    • KCMikeG

      Not really a smoke screen as much as really intelligent positioning to achieve the maximum number of potential trade partners for our #1 pick so we get the maximum number/value picks for Albert.

  • Arrowhead Magic

    Am I the only one who finds Cassel’s face absolutely hilarious in the above picture?

    • Danny W

      Dude played scared.

    • berttheclock

      ?

  • ArrowGreg

    Seriously! C’MON guys! Who here knows what the hell these guys are going to do? We have been surprised at every turn this post season! None of you honestly know what they are going to do! RELAX, have faith and who cares what Micah thinks? I don’t! Hahahahaha!

  • kmon

    I think its just retarded to get rid of a proven tackle for a kid with potential. I hate that word potential, look Jake long had more potential than joeckle but injuries held him back. joeckle may not be injury prone but my point is you don’t know if he already hit his peak potential! trading Albert away for joeckle is like trading bowe for C. Patterson, hali for Jarvis Jones, derrick Johnson for teo. ppl fail to realize that we have to fill the RT position as well. if we trade Albert for joeckle that does not solve our problems. we have had a weak Oline since shields and roaf retired, so if we are one click away from solidifying our oline then why not just draft joeckle and make him an RT? you all get your favorite player in the draft for us and we upgrade our line. but trading Albert makes it weaker because we still have a whole on the right side.