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Chiefs’ Javier Arenas Lashes Out At Chiefs Blogger In Wake Of Dunta Robinson Signing


In a new age of media and technology, professional athletes are under more pressure and are more accessible to the public than ever before. Players may soon need to choose between accepting the pitfalls that come with participating in social media, and removing themselves from the equation all together. The world is watching, and that’s the new normal.

 

Your a joke.”

Those words are probably not what Arrowhead Pride manager Joel Thorman,  expected to read from Kansas City Chiefs CB Javier Arenas last Saturday night.

But that’s what happened.

Arenas lashed out at Thorman via Twitter, calling the respected Chiefs blogger a “goofball” and a “joke.”

Here is the tweet:

Thorman believes Arenas is referencing a March 6th column posted on Arrowhead Pride, concerning the Chiefs’ top positional needs entering free agency. Thorman wrote:

Clearly, the Chiefs need another cornerback opposite Brandon Flowers, and preferably a day-one starter. Javier Arenas and Jalil Brown won’t cut it over the entire season. Considering some of the cornerbacks Reid had in Philly over the years it’s hard to see how the Chiefs would go into next season with their other cornerback spot the way it is. I expect that to get addressed.

Arenas played both as a nickel corner and a starting outside corner for the Chiefs last year. Most of his action on the outside came after the Chiefs cut former Oakland Raiders CB Stanford Routt. According to Pro Football Focus, Arenas was targeted 66 times on the season, allowing 43 receptions for 539 yards, four TDs, zero interceptions and six pass defenses. QB’s throwing at Arenas enjoyed a QB rating of 110.6. Those numbers hardly cemented his role as a starter opposite Flowers.

On Friday evening, March 8th, reports emerged that the Chiefs reached a deal with former Atlanta Falcons CB Dunta Robinson. While the team has yet to confirm the signing as of this writing, the deal would seem to indicate that Chiefs, at least in part, agree with Thorman’s assessment of the CB situation.

Some might argue that if it is fair for sports writers to criticize a players work on the field, it should be fair for the players to criticize the writers. In this situation, however, turnabout was not fair play. Thorman gets paid to express his opinions on the Chiefs and that is what he did here. Arenas’ criticism of Thorman was personal.

Arrowhead Pride, like this site, is part of a growing form of new media. Blog networks like SB Nation and FanSided provide a platform for fans come together and express their opinions on their favorite sports teams, offering a level of fan-empowerment that didn’t exist in the newspaper age. Perhaps what Arenas doesn’t realize is that along with being a member of the media, Thorman is also a fan. And much like Chiefs fans did not appreciate receiving a lecture from RT Eric Winston following a game in 2012 in which QB Matt Cassel suffered a concussion, Arrowhead Pride readers defended Thorman to Arenas on Twitter.

 

 

 

 

 

While changes were expected to be made on the personnel side by the new regime in Kansas City, GM John Dorsey and head coach Andy Reid have largely kept the band together. The Chiefs re-signed core players like WR Dwayne Bowe and P Dustin Colquitt. They also used the franchise tag retain the services of LT Branden Albert.

Still, Dorsey and Reid aren’t going to turn around a 2-14 team by leaving everything the same. A couple recent moves, like the releases of TE Kevin Boss and WR Steve Breaston, caused only minor waves while some other changes appear to be causing some stress and anxiety for some of the players still on the roster.

One such move was the release of Winston, which happened earlier this week. Winston’s departure caused many fans and media alike to question what the Chiefs were planning to do at the tackle position.

The evening of Winston’s release, some fans reached out to Albert via Twitter. The former first-round pick was asked if he would consider moving to RT to replace Winston, should the Chiefs select Texas A&M LT Luke Joeckel, in the 2013 NFL Draft. Albert, who has faced similar questions about moving positions since entering the league, seemed spooked and annoyed by Winston’s departure, and responded “No way.” When asked if he felt he was a natural left tackle, Albert tweeted “”You damn right.”

Just hours later, Albert deleted his Twitter account.

Perhaps the same stress and uncertainty the cutting of Winston caused in Albert was being felt Saturday by Arenas in the wake of the Robinson signing. After all, it was former GM Scott Pioli who drafted Arenas, not Reid and Dorsey. The new regime has no ties to the players who were on the roster when they arrived and more changes are sure to be on the horizon.

It would be a mistake not to take a moment to appreciate the uniqueness of the situation. Professional athletes are under a severe amount of scrutiny. While it is the job of some media folks to register opinions and commentary on the job performance of these athletes, it is easy to see why players like Arena and Albert might feel defensive, even when faced with the mildest of criticism. And while part of the job description for being a professional football player is maintaining a respectful relationship with the press, the rapidly changing world of sports media, and in particular, online sports media, is making the delineation of who is and isn’t considered press much harder to determine.

Perhaps part of the reason Arenas received so much backlash from Chiefs fans for his comments to Thorman is because Arrowhead Pride’s readers have a much better understanding of this new age of sports media than Arenas himself. Arrowhead Pride is a fan blog that has never claimed any impartiality in its content. The site has always strived to be fair but never impartial. Impartiality is the exact opposite of what fan-powered blog networks like SB Nation and FanSided strive for.

While not impartial, Thorman is a credentialed member of the Kansas City media. He sits in the press box on Sundays and after games he is given access to the locker room. Would Arenas have made the same comment to Chiefs beat reporter for the Kansas City Star, Adam Teicher, if Teicher released a column similar to Thorman’s?  Perhaps, but I’m not so sure.

A site like Arrowhead Pride has a much deeper connection to Chiefs fans than the Kansas City Star. Thus to readers of Pride, Arena’s comments to Thorman seemed more like a pro athlete picking on the little guy rather than a professional member of the tradional sports media. What Arenas may not understand is that Thorman is both.

It isn’t just bloggers and members of new sports media that are under fire. We’re seeing these tensions continue to bubble, as Seattle Seahawks CB Richard Sherman recently had a very uncomfortable exchange with ESPN provocateur, Skip Bayless. The exchange was picked up by just about every sports media outlet out there and, quite frankly, was embarrassing for both Sherman and Bayless.

While tension between professional athletes and the people who cover them is nothing new, platforms like Twitter make the escalation of those tensions easier than ever before. Social media is breaking down the walls that once separated fans and media from professional athletes. I follow a number of Chiefs players on Twitter and I often see them subjected to such horrible and insulting tweets and comments from fans that it is easy to sympathize when one of them loses their cool and responds.

At the NFL’s 2011 Rookie Symposium, former Chiefs and Jets coach and current ESPN analyst, Herm Edwards, gave to a group of incoming players a sermon of sorts, about some of the traps and pitfalls of life in the NFL. When talking about NFL players interacting on social media, Edwards delivered  a very simple message to encourage rookies to think before saying anything publicly.

“Don’t press send,” Edwards urged.

With the lines between fans, media and the players blurred more than ever before, it might be more advantageous for athletes to take Edwards’ advice a step further and do what Brenden Albert did.

Delete their social media accounts all together and save it for the press conference.

 

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  • chiefridgy

    I think someone is sensing some pressure

    • Doug McD

      Personally I think the players should stay as far away from the media as they can. Just way too many opinions for a young person to comprehend. The old add-age applies KISS – Keep It Simple Stupid. Enjoy life, play football and do your best at all you do. You won’t be disappointed at all.

      • Chief Hokie

        In a perfect world, they all would stay away from the media and twitter, but you gotta believe somewhere deep down Goodell wants them to tweet and say all the crazy shit they do in press conferences because that’s what drives the ratings, and essentially Goodell’s paycheck.

    • Javier Arenas

      Yall are a joke…

      • chiefridgy

        HaHaHa Awesome!

      • NathanaelL

        Roll Tide!

  • Ehud

    Excellent article. Many good points.

  • Joel Wagler

    Nice work here Patrick!

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Thanks Joel.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    That was a pretty childish thing for Arenas to do. He has every right to disagree with Thorman, but he should’ve done so in a less personal way. That being said, I’m not crying any rivers for the media. They routinely line step in their dealings with athletes. If anything, both sides have helped to make the relationship between players and media more adversarial than ever.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I agree but I think athletes have to take the high road because they simply can’t control the media and the media isn’t going away. That is why I think they need to either learn how to deal or pull back because they only end up hurting themselves.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        In this particular situation, I agree. Arenas crossed the line. I don’t agree that the onus is on the athletes though. When Rich Eisen ran his faux 40 at the NFL Combine, the segment began with him spraying himself with an aerosol can with deer antlers atached to it. That was a very serious allegation where Ray Lewis was accused of having used a performance-enhancing substance. When the media does stuff like that, for the sake of a gag, they only help in further straining the relationship between the media and players.

        Responsibility is a two-way street.The media needs to quit throwing rocks one moment and hiding their hands the next.

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          I agree with you that media often crosses the line but I think the Eisen example is a poor one. Rich wasn’t wearing a Ray Ray jersey when he did it. It was a joke about the ridiculousness of the idea of using “deer antler spray” to improve your performance. I don’t think the segment was really about Ray.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I think it’s open for interpretation. I’d bet you a steak dinner that Lewis, himself, didn’t find it funny.

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Let’s just agree to disagree and go out together for the streak.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            As long as you’re buying…Deal!

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Ok, I’ll buy but we’re going to Ponderosa.

          • Aiken_Drum

            OMG, I didn’t know that place even still existed. Yucky.

          • Darkwolf1414

            Don’t give up so easily! I wanna see a fight! LOL Just playin. I respect the hell out of both you and Stacy.

          • Chief Hokie

            We’re… We’re going streaking! We’re going up the quad and to the gymnasium.

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          A better example is when Ed Werder of ESPN made a fat joke about Andy Reid on the air. I know that was about a coach but it was over the line.

        • chiefridgy

          I think what Eisen did with the antler spray is hilarious .

          • Darkwolf1414

            I thought it was funny, too. That doesn’t make it a classy or right thing to do.

          • chiefridgy

            Eisen never struck me as a classy guy….

          • Chief Hokie

            LOL

        • Darkwolf1414

          Preach on!

        • Chief Hokie

          It’s all about the ratings mahhn

      • Chris Tarrants

        My argument is that Javier said what he did on his own twitter page and not in an interview, he gave his opinion just the same as the reporter! This is still America and we still have the right to be heard be leave it or not, if he can’t stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen

        • Michael Shaw

          Couldn’t have said it better myself.

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          Nobody is saying he doesn’t have the right to give his opinion. I am saying his response was inappropriate given the circumstances. For instance, I am telling you that I don’t agree with your comment, right? But I am talking about your comment, not calling you an asshole because you don’t agree with me.

          The piece is about a lot of things but one of the things it explores is that interaction on social media is just as meaningful as interaction in the locker room or a press conference but often isn’t treated as such.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I think he made an excellent point about Twitter though. Athletes didn’t make the Twittersphere a part of the public square, media did. That’s something we have to take into consideration. It’s a logged public communication, but should members of the media use it as ammunition in situations like these?

          • Danny W

            Yes they should. These athletes are put through seminars and courses about social media and how to handle themselves because they represent the “shield” as the NFL likes to call it. If I have a professional athlete on a team I own and he’s making personal attacks on another public figure in a small or petty way I definitely want to be made aware of it. The NFL wants to appeal to the masses and the family is a large demographic with in that mass. Calling someone a joke because he points out your flaws on a football blog is sophomoric.

          • Darkwolf1414

            I’ll disagree with you a little there, Danny. I agree with how you would want an employee to act. However, Joel Thorman is only a “public figure” because he puts himself out there. If you mentioned Joel Thorman, before I read this article, I wouldn’t know who the hell he was. As I said above, what Thorman said in his post feels like a personal attack to an athlete. Should Javier have thicker skin? Probably. Was Thorman right in his statement? I would have to say yes but it was how he said it that made it seem like a personal attack. Again, if you want to make comments about the big boys then you should be ready to possibly have one of them respond back.
            I think Chris and Stacy have made very good points about this, too.

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            How is what Thorman said a personal attack? He was commenting on Arenas’ play on the field. Not Arenas as a person.

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Forget the NFL, the players should be careful for themselves. Guys embarrass themselves for no reason. It might be easier to just tune it out.

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Anyone can use it as ammo. The media didn’t create Twitter, entrepreneurs did. It is just like anything else. If you can’t control yourself using the internet or the phone then you might need to consider avoiding those things. A media member could fly off the handle on Twitter the same as anyone else. I mean, it wasn’t like Thorman was tweeting at Arenas saying “you suck” to get him to blow up.

            If you’ll notice, Thorman hasn’t even mentioned this incident on AP.

          • Chief Hokie

            I feel like you could write a whole separate article based on this comment. Good stuff

        • Aiken_Drum

          NOBODY has the right to be heard. This is a common misconception. You have the right to free speech, but you cannot force anyone to listen. Javy voiced his displeasure with Joel, not his opinion that Joel was wrong. There is a difference and the line is where civility begins and ends.

          • Chief Hokie

            This.

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Nice Aiken. Thanks.

          • gjrchief

            What? He has the right to speak. You make the choice to view his twitter or to follow him… that is you making the decsion to hear him… how is Javy forcing anyone to listen to him? If you don’t care for his oppinion, or don’t want to hear what he chooses to say…. stop lurking his twitter. Your comment, although a true statement has no relevance to this issue.

          • Aiken_Drum

            Uh, I think that is what I just said. No one has the right to be heard. No one is forced to listen to what he has to say. Chris Tarrants above says that everyone has the right to be heard. This is inaccurate. Nobody has the right to be heard. You do, as you note, have the right to speak, but no one can be forced to listen. That is what I took exception to. Javy is not forcing anyone to listen to him is exactly my point. I can assure you I don’t ‘lurk’ on any ones twitter. My comment goes to the heart of the issue. Many people confuse the right to speak with the right to be heard. There is a difference and the fact that you can’t even understand what my point was is evidence of the problem.

      • dominicscarlatti

        Perfect post – thank you, Patrick.

    • Darkwolf1414

      I agree whole-heartedly, Stacy. I will say, having played the CB position, where you’re pretty much out there alone every play (on an island, as they say); a statement like “Javier Arenas and Jalil Brown won’t cut it” feels very much like a personal attack to a player. I don’t read AP, as I don’t like it as much as AA and I have limited time. I think some of the aggravation that the players also feel is they are getting picked apart by people who never played the game and, even if they did, could NEVER play at the level these professional athletes play at.

      I also agree with Patrick that the athletes have to take the high road. It’s a tough thing to do, especially when you’re still just a kid.

      No offense, but I don’t see bloggers as media. I look at it as fans expressing opinion. They may be right and they may be wrong. Heck, I agree that Javier shouldn’t be the CB opposite Flowers. If I put that out there, I should be willing to take any shot that Javier wants to take at me.

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        Fair comments all around. Thank you for also seeing what I am getting about athletes needing to take the high road.

        As for bloggers, some are media, some aren’t. Joel’s a regularly credentialed member of the KC press core. They say he’s media.

        That is the other part of the article that some are overlooking, is that there is a new media world. Everyone is a reporter these days. Some just get paid for it and work for media conglomerates.

        Some are just people taking pictures in the street and selling them to TMZ.

        Some, like me, work professionally covering sports and are sometimes credentialed media.

        • KCMikeG

          So I’m confused. Why is Arenas being held to a higher standard? You have repeatedly stated that Joel is a professional yet he has different standards? Believe me Insulting a man’s ability to perform his life’s work is much more unprofessional than calling the writer a goofball and a joke. They are both professionals and both of them should show more respect.

  • Chris Foosman

    I don’t think players should attempt to take on the “media” like that, but to refer to this guy as anything other than an obsessed fan who studies VHS tapes he’s made of the games while living in his mother’s basement just seems a little too far in the other direction. That so many have tweeted about this really shows the huge amounts of spare time within the Chiefs’ fan community.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      What are you talking about? Joel Throman is a full time employee at SB Nation, along with his duties at Arrowhead Pride. He makes a living doing this. To say he is nothing more than an obsessed fan living in his mother’s basement is not only belittling, it is inaccurate.

      • Chris Foosman

        It doesn’t take a lot of money to live in your mom’s basement, otherwise fewer stoners would do it. Being a blogger does not take a lot of money, and its great that it makes you feel better about yourself, but lets be fair. If he had actual talent he’d be working for a paper.

        • Tyler Alexander

          He’s twice the reporter than anyone the Star employs. You’re embarrassing yourself…

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            He’s trolling it up.

        • Michael Shaw

          So if you have no respect for the bloggers on these site, then get the hell off!! The rest of us enjoy their contributions!!!! Jackwagon!!

          • Chris Foosman

            Then perhaps he should get a job with the Star and quit embarrassing his mother, who has to say “Oh, one of the Chiefs mentioned my son on the internets the other day! That VHS collection is paying off! He’ll be moving out any day now.” Until then, accept your place in the social order. It goes coaches -> players -> paid pundit -> fan -> casual fan -> any kind of blogger

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Don’t forget to add “internet troll” to your hierarchy list. It goes at the very bottom.

          • Chris Foosman

            I put blogger…

          • chiefridgy

            Put moron. Kick rocks!

          • dominicscarlatti

            Try “idiot” or “loud-mouthed jerk” instead…

          • Chris Foosman

            Pretty mean to bloggers there.

          • KCMikeG

            Isn’t that the name calling we are criticizing?

          • Chief Hokie

            I’m sorry guys I don’t mean to offend anyone but this guy is freaking hilarious!!! I know he’s probably trolling, but….touche sir. touche.

          • Chris Foosman

            Where else can I go to see this kind of drama linked to? A real website?

          • Chief Hokie

            tmz

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          Not true at all. I believe Mr. Thorman owns his own home.

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          Als, Bleacher Report, which is similar to SB Nation, just sole for nearly $200 million dollars. I’d be willing to bet the Kansas City Star isn’t worth that much.

          Stop trollin.

          • Chris Foosman

            I’m not the one trolling anymore than the guy who wrote About Arenas was. He gave his informed opinion, so did I. It seems you’re the one that has a problem with your station in life.

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            How is your opinion informed when most of what you said is utterly false?

          • Chris Foosman

            How do you even know it’s utterly false? You’re a terrible reporter. You’re saying I’m using false facts when you can’t even verify stuff and you use words like “I believe” and expect me to trust you. Perhaps you should spend some of that fat blogger cash on some education.

          • dominicscarlatti

            Unless you have personal knowledge of Mr. Thorman’s living arrangements, YOU ARE A TROLL…you wouldn’t know an “informed opinion” if it hit you over the head with a 2 x 4.

          • Chris Foosman

            That’s what I said to Patrick when he started making stuff up too!

          • Chief Hokie

            lol you are a funny dude

  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.wherritt Nick Wherritt

    Javier Arenas just became my least favorite Chief. And now that I think about it, I don’t remember him ever running back a kick or making a huge play of any kind

    • jesse

      he has before, but penalties take it away from him. which is just how it plays out sometimes

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I think he is a pretty decent player. Maybe not great but he certainly belongs on an NFL roster. He is also still pretty young.

      • Danny W

        Yeah he’s a solid nickel and special teamer. He was never worth a second round pick though IMHO.

        • Darkwolf1414

          You might be right in hindsight but with the info they had when he was drafted I think it was a solid pick. He was the 2nd of two second round picks in 2010. As Patrick said, he’s still young. He’s only 25. I agree that he is best as a nickel corner on D and he’s a good returner.

          • KCMikeG

            In addition to the return stats you published. He has been one block or one step from breaking many a kick even with the poor performing ST we have had since he arrived.

    • Danny W

      This move was unprofessional to say the least.

    • Darkwolf1414

      Javier lead the AFC and was 3rd in the league, in punt return yard average in 2011. He’s also only the 4th player in Chiefs history to rack up more than 1,000 punt return yards. The kid runs hard and I love seeing him pull off spin moves in the return game. He’s is a good blitzer out of the nickel CB position, too.

      • KCMikeG

        Thank you! There is more to Arenas than his DB play and if I remember correctly Arenas was supposed to be a nickel corner and was forced into CB #2 starting position when management decided they had screwed up and cut Routt. That would be like calling out DJ if he had to play DE. The “stats” of his coverage ignore this fact and as Arenas points out, they don’t have a clue as to the coverage called on any given play. If a safety fails to pick up a WR as designed by the play and Arenas releases him then has he blown the coverage and is statistically responsible for the completion and/or TD? His point is a good one in that for many of us our “analysis” is nothing but a hobby. Why does Joel deserve such an outpouring of defense and support? I see other media personalities called all kinds of demeaning and vulgar names and have their work disparaged by fans and bloggers alike.

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          So because you see one analyst called something shitty and nobody speaks up for them, when it happens to another analyst they don’t deserve support?

          The cruz of this whole thing isn’t really Joel vs. Javier, it is professional athletes, new media and self control.

          • dioxintribe

            Ya, Mr. “small-minded” and “not an intelligent person with an opinion” here (very “high-road” and “professional.”) But I can take it – I’m not separating myself as a writer from my opinion as you do in “He was commenting on Arenas’ play on the field. Not Arenas as a person” when Thorman names Arenas in his blog. I say Javier was doing the same commenting on what Joel wrote, not him – you took it personally (i.e. “Touchy”). So the new media gets to say whatever they want, hiding behind this ‘immunity’ of what I see as “it’s not personal to the player I’m criticizing by name” and professional athletes just need to shut up? Sounds a lot like the old media. Ronald Dick

          • KCMikeG

            No. And it’s not just one analyst called something shitty is a Kiper, Whitlock, Sirogusa, and a whole string of others including Skip Bayless who just got some of his own medicine back in a very public way. Point is it happens to the players all the time and respect is a two way street in the world I was raised. I would prefer both sides take a more civilized, respectful and professional approach to their communications.

          • KCMikeG

            No. And it’s not just one analyst called something shitty is a Kiper, Whitlock, Sirogusa, and a whole string of others including Skip Bayless who just got some of his own medicine back in a very public way. Point is it happens to the players all the time and respect is a two way street in the world I was raised. I would prefer both sides take a more civilized, respectful and professional approach to their communications.

        • Steve Blank

          he is a DB…he was given a chance to play at the 2 spot and blew it. He just isnt up to par in man to man coverage….its really pretty simple. He doesnt have the cover skills to even be the nickel. He needs to be a safety or beef up and play LB

          • KCMikeG

            He is not a #2 CB and was forced to play there after Routt failed and was cut. With the CB/S we have now he will do fine as the nickel. Don’t forget he shut down the best slot WR in the NFL last year.

  • dioxintribe

    I think what you wrote is a bunch of BS (and it went on ad naseum!). Touchy! News media types are always taking pot shots at athletes, management, etc., so they shouldn’t be surprised when the people they are calling out by name/negatively speculating upon respond. WHAAAAA! And Joel Thorman/writers do not “fan-empower” me. It’s only his opinion what he writes and Arenas wrote his. The media always makes it more than what it is. But that’s their bread and butter. You guys live for a response like Arenas’ to spend the whole week writing about!

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      1. Nobody said what Joel Thorman writers empowers fans. New media like SB Nation and FanSided empowers fans because it gives them a platform on which to express themselves. Throman is a result of that, not the catalyst.

      2. Nobody is surprised that Arenas doesn’t like or agree with Thorman’s opinion, the problem is that rather than disagree with the opinion, Arenas attacked Joel as a person.

      3. You are breaking down an article that takes a look at a complicated situation and examines it from both angles into a incorrect simplification of media vs. players, which shows you really don’t understand what the piece is about.

      4. You write that you think my article is BS, which is fine. You then debated its merits, albeit not very well. But you also threw in that I (or others you don’t specify) am/are “touchy!” and also threw in a “WHAAAA!” indicating that you think anyone who shares a different view from your own is not an intelligent person with an opinion, but a petulant child who is whining. In all reality, the same exact viewpoint could be turned around on you for leaving a comment on this article at all.

      To suggest that someone taking the time to think critically about how people interact with one another is “touchy” is insulting and frankly, makes you look small-minded.

      • KCMikeG

        It is a slippery slope Paddy and now your work has been insulted and you have ended your response with an insult on him rather than maintaining your focusing on what he wrote.

        I greatly respect the work you all do, the huge volume of time it takes and the quality of the information AA and many other new media sources provide us.

        Again I think it would be great if we all, myself included, tried to reduce the personal comments and elevate our responses to address the topic or the comment not the writer.

  • Chris Tarrants

    I think he was with in his rights of freedom of speech! He didn’t cuss at him, and he didn’t say those things in a media interview. He said them on his own twitter page lol for gods sake if you are gonna critisize players then you had better be able to receive it in return

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      But it WASN’T criticism that Thorman received in return. It was a personal attack. He was called a “joke” and a “goofball.” He didn’t say he thought Thorman wasn’t a good enough writer. There is a big, big difference.

      Of course he Arenas can say whatever he wants but that doesn’t mean he should or that what he is saying is right.

      • Chris Tarrants

        So if he had written in my opinion first would be all that much different? My point is that he wrote it on HIS page, he didn’t put it on espn or in a printed document or interview, he wrote his feeling about someone and did so on his twitter account! I’m not saying that I agree with what he said because I don’t know either person but he still has the right to write whatever he see’s fit on his account

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          Again, nobody is saying he doesn’t have the right. We’re saying he shouldn’t have done it and like it or not, his Twitter account is public. I am not sure what you are getting at about “if he would have put in my opinion first.” We all know it was his opinion.

          He is a public figure and he said something in the public arena that reflected poorly on him. I never said he didn’t have the right to do it. I said he probably shouldn’t have done it.

          • Jacob Monteer

            “(We)’re are saying he shouldn’t have done it.” You are the opposite of legitimate media.

      • KCMikeG

        Why isn’t Joel open for shots since he is the media? Hasn’t he chosen to put himself out there just like Arenas has by his career choice? You all are overlooking that he did criticize his knowledge as a writer. Arenas said Joel didn’t know what he was writing about which hurts more than the names but for some reason everyone wants to jump on the names. Hurts just like having your life’s work being written off by a blogger/media personality. The name calling by Joel is there in between the lines too in that he is calling Arenas a failure. I say what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. While Javier probably should have skipped the names he certainly could have used much saltier words. These guys put up with so many vulgar, hating AHole “fans” in social media hiding behind their computers using fake names plus they take it live and in person at games and even in public – even their families take shots. Maybe we all can try to treat each other in a more civilized manner and encourage that from each other. If Javier should have thicker skin then why shouldn’t Joel?

        • Chief Hokie

          Calling someone a “goofball” and a “joke” is hardly anything to cry home about. I 100% agree Mike

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          This is a simple argument Mike. Javier made it personal and that was unnecessary. Period. Just like when a fan says a player is a “piece of shit” for missing a tackle or something, the fan is in the wrong.

          Javier did not criticize Joel’s performance as a writer or analysts. You are really stretching there. Joel’s goal was to analyze and Javier’s goal was to hurt and insult. See the difference?

          If Javier responded with “I disagree with your assessment of my play. Here are some stats to back up why.” Nobody would have had a problem with that.

          The article, however, is not about who should or shouldn’t have a think skin. It is about how athletes need to adjust how they behave if they are going to participate in social media because the world is different than it was even five years ago. THe spotlight is on them, not the other way around.

      • Jacob Monteer

        ^ and that is why you are not media material.

      • krayfish

        thats the point…where was the criticism? criticism implies you have some point to make that the person you are criticizing can learn from in your opinion. This was just juvenile name calling, there was no criticism or debate what so ever…it was a so called professional athlete acting like a high school kid….should not happen….Javier could have responded by saying that he did not agree with Joel and in fact he could have said that he does not like Joel’s work, but he made it personal by acting like a baby

  • jesse

    with the albert thing, releasing winston and this, i hope there isnt any harmful effects to the lockerroom. that can hurt a team as much as injuries.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Hopefully the new regime will get everything sorted out. As far as I know, they want Albert to play LT so it may all resolve itself.

      • Darkwolf1414

        I hope so.

    • Darkwolf1414

      Good point.

    • KCMikeG

      I think some guys will be effected if they were buddies with a player cut but they are professionals and no it is a business. Albert has been, is and will be LT period.

  • kirk

    He obviously should not be a starter or a return man. he calls a bloggers a joke but his play says the same about him lol

    • Darkwolf1414

      He’s a good return man.

      • kirk

        How many touchdowns has he had? the grand total is 0 he’s not good enough

        • Darkwolf1414

          It’s not all about returning kicks and punts for TDs. Sometimes it’s about giving your team good field position. He’s got 10 other guys out there to block for him. Maybe they are whiffing on blocks. Somebody’s man is tackling him. Usually it’s more than one guy. I’m not casting stones at the other players. I’m simply saying that you obviously don’t understand the return game.

          • kirk

            Dude don’t insult my intelligence, u mean to tell me on every single kick and punt return last yr that was setting us up for good field position was Javier and not his blocking? no way, if he knew how to use his field vision correctly and actually use his blocks then he would actually do pretty good. but his problem his that he’s too cocky and thinks he can return every kick on his own. watch some of his film he tries to run over ppl vs around them

          • Darkwolf1414

            I didn’t say that it was all Javier and not his blocking. I didn’t say that at all. I said that it takes all 11 guys to get a return for a TD. There are rare exceptions. Javier led the AFC and finished third in the NFL in punt return average (12.8 yds) in 2011. He also is only the fourth player in team history to record more than 1,000 punt return yards. He was also a stud returner at Alabama. That has as much to do with Arenas as it does his blockers and vice versa. You’ve never been a punt or kick returner have you? No reason to answer because I know the answer is no. If you say you have then you are full of it. You obviously don’t realize what close confines most of your cuts are made in. You run, top speed, toward a group of blockers and tacklers and at any moment one of those tacklers may come off their block to drill you. Holes in that wall are only open for fractions of seconds. There generally isn’t wide open field unless you’ve gotten past that sea of players. I’m not insulting your intelligence. I’m stating that clearly, you don’t have any clue as to what you are talking about.

  • DieHard_ChiefsFan

    Look, no matter what you say about it Arenas was completely wrong with his childish lashing back. These athletes get paid more money than most of us on this comment site make together in a year. They are looked up to as role models to our kids, who guess what, interact via social media. He needs to take the high road and not say anything at all or keep it completely professional. I get tired of these over paid babies whining because something doesn’t go their way. Lets see them make that kind of pay at a normal job. I for one say either step it up, or get off the field for someone else who wants to play and be more of a role model Arenas.

    • Danny W

      Agreed. It was childish in an attack. I know you don’t get that many characters to write on twitter but he could have come back with something a little more professional than calling him a joke. If Arenas play wasn’t suspect at many levels then he wouldn’t be feeling so sensitive about his play.

  • JediChris816

    “QB’s throwing at Arenas enjoyed a QB rating of 110.6. Those numbers hardly cemented his role as a starter opposite Flowers.”

    Maybe Arenas doesn’t know that statistical fact, or he’s pissed about it, and Joel, stating that the Chiefs need a true #2 CB, pissed Arenas off.

    Regardless, Arenas was pretty shoddy last year. Definitely need an upgrade over him.

    De’Quan Menzie!

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Excited to see Menzie in action. Shame he landed on IR last year.

    • Chief Hokie

      I wanna see what Jalil Brown can do this year. He can lay some nasty hits, I’d just like to see his coverage skills improve. He could be our future #2 CB

      • JediChris816

        I’ve also stated in the past that maybe Jalil Brown could move to FS. If Kendrick Lewis can’t comee back 100% from that shoulder injury, Jalil has the size for a FS. Just a thought.

  • Danny W

    I like AP but I love AA. That said Joel usually backs up what he has to say with some solid stats and theories. For a pro athlete to get childish with him is a solid implication on that player. These players are put through the ringer when it comes to training them about social media. It’s a free country and your entitled to social media but they are also representatives of the game. They’re trained to watch every move they make because negative attention is the last thing your team wants. His comment wasn’t objective it was just a personal attack. He couldn’t defend his play so he had to try and slander Joel. Arenas is a bust for a second round pick. He is a solid special teamer and an average nickel back if he was anything more, the comment wouldn’t have been necessary because Thorman wouldn’t have made it, because he’s objective. You don’t get as many followers as AP has with out some solid credibility to your opinion.

    • natasha2marie

      I was working on a comment that expressed this same sentiment, but you said it better here. So I’ll just +1 instead.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Great comment Danny and thanks for the props.

    • Chief Hokie

      True that.

  • Steve Blank

    arenas couldnt cover himself with a blanket……..he needs to gain 20 pounds and try to play safety….or gain 30 and play LB

  • Steve Blank

    if he doesnt like the evaluation of his performance quantified and then publicized, he should play better….simple enough?

    • Guest

      Problem was it wasn’t quantified just publicized.

      • Steve Blank

        when you post stats that is quantifying…read the story again…the perceived bad publicity is a direct result of his stats ….

        1. To determine or express the quantity of.

  • gjrchief

    I fail to see where Javier is so wrong. I also think considering your position here at AA that you may be a little biased Patrick. Javier is paid to play DB. Joels article basically says that Javier is not good enough at his job. Joel is paid to blog. Javier basically says Joel is not good at his job of reporting on what is going on inside the organization. They each criticize the others job performance… joels “insight” and Javiers “coverage.” Ok, Javier also called Joel a Joke… big deal. Due to what javier feels is bad reporting he gets angry at a journalist and calls him a name. How is that any different than you yourself Patrick, reporting on what you consider poor performance from Tyson Jackson, and then calling him Tin Man, or Matt “sandcastle.” Are they not personal attacks based on what you think is poor job performance? Seems like the same thing, only when somone is paid to write they can sound more elegant on their soap box when they complain about the other side.

    • Chief Hokie

      Well I guess you could always fall back on “Hey this guy’s a millionaire so he can deal with a little criticism.” But that is a fair point you raise…a very Kantian approach.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I am not sure you understood the article. There is some criticism of Javier for the personal attack. It was unnecessary. If Javier wanted to respond to Joel’s criticism of his play with proof otherwise, nobody would have had a problem with that. Javier did not criticize Joel’s opinion, he criticized Joel.

      The article also looks at how difficult it can be to be in the position that Javier is in. It explores a complicated new media trend. Things are much different in the media but for the players, things see mostly the same.

      Javier reacted emotionally and attacked Joel the human being. Joel talked about Javier’s play. You see the difference, right? One was fair and was based on opinion and some statistical fact, the other was a baseless, personal attack.

      Calling Tyson Jackson “Tin Man” is a fun way of saying he’s stiff when playing football. It is no way a reflection of my opinion of him as a man.

      This isn’t an article about how you should feel bad from for the media when a player lashes out at them, though unfortunately, that seems to be how a few readers took it, which could certainly be a failure on my part.

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        But yes, Javier was in the wrong.

        “They each criticize the others job performance…”

        This is not true in the least. Joel talked about performance and Javier talked about Joel.

        • gjrchief

          You are so unbelievably biased in this argument that you can’t see the simple issue. If I worked for a think tank, being smart would be a job requisite… therefore someone calling me a moron would be a professional reaction, not a personal one. Javy is a football player, anything he does on the field is fair game. As you keep insisting Joel is a member of the media. Therefore job requisites for him are credibility, insight, knowledge, etc. As a writer, anything joel writes is fair game. You call it a personal attack, Javy didn’t say Joel was a bad father, couldn’t manage his finances, he criticized something he wrote. Joel wrote that Javy would not hold up as an outside corner, and would need to be replace. That is Joel assuming that he understands this teams needs, that he knows what Dorsey/Reid are thinking, that he can say for sure that he knows that with a full training camp preparing to play OUTSIDE corner, that Javier will not be good enough. He made huge assumptions, and Javier thinks what he said is foolish. He disagree with what Joel wrote, he criticizes Joels insight, knowledge, and credibility… and due to him looking foolish, he called him a Joke… BASED ON HIS WORK! Tyson Jackson fails to get a sack, and looks stiff… so you call him TIN MAN. They are all people discussing the others work. Everyone needs to stop being so touchy. Javier can prove Joel right/wrong with his play, Joel can be proved right or wrong over time based on the moves the organization makes. None of this has anything to do with these men on a personal level.

          • krayfish

            its not professional for someone who makes their money from the fans who support the team financially to call any fan personal names…..ever….

        • Jacob Monteer

          Saying Javier is in the wrong just makes you the liberal media of the kingdom. You are obviously biased or would not selling your right and wrong agenda. How about, just report the latest news and present your opinions as related to our current situation. Instead of getting butt hurt when another media personality is called out, just keep reporting about our chiefs. Teaming up against a person that disagrees, just makes you a typical progressive. He is not wrong for saying what is on his mind and as a member of the media you should encourage that, instead of trying to sway public opinion. There is a fine line in impartiality and you are just looking out for a high(er) profile blogger, in part because it furthers your own interest.

      • Don417

        There is some criticism of Javier for the personal attack. It was unnecessary
        And calling Jackson “tinman” isn’t unnecessary? You are the definition of a hypocrite. As I said before, grow up or at least grow a set.

    • krayfish

      Joel did not call Javier names. He never said he was a joke or a goof ball. He gave his opinion as a sports columnist and kept it professional…Javier should not have resorted to calling names…what is he 16?

  • Justin R Groth

    I would like to agree with you Patrick however he is only human.
    1) It’s immature however most of us puff our chests and retaliate when some one questions us, especially when it comes to our jobs.
    2)Considering all the less than nice things we say about the players, coaches, FO, and even our fellow fans on this site and others like this one its hard for me to shake my finger at him and the fans jumping on his case is hypocritical. Unfortunately that’s another thing blogs can empower people to do, insult people they will never meet, makeHUGH deals about nothing.
    What he did was both immature and on par for reactions I have read both here and arrowheadpride about the writers and other commenters.

    • Chief Hokie

      Yes, yes and YES!

  • Erik Hild

    Twitter is just a cesspool of human opinion. How many real intelligent conversations have you ever seen or been a part of? Most of the time it is just a bunch of finger pointing that is useless. Javier just made himself look idiotic. Do what Brandon Albert did DELETE your account Javier.

  • http://www.facebook.com/montejoewilson Monte Wilson

    Arenas was right on the money, and didn’t say anything over the line. Who says that that particular article is what he was talking about? If you don’t think some truly idiotic stuff is written on Kansas City sports blogs, you haven’t read enough of them.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I know Joel Thorman. He’s a friend of mine. He is neither a joke nor a goofball. Arenas was not right on the money.

  • Aiken_Drum

    Nice job Patrick. I for one, agree with the premise that your actions speak louder than your words. You don’t agree as a player with what some pundit says about you? Fine and dandy. Show the world how wrong that pundit is–on the field. The players need to realize that is is better to leave the speechafying to the press and the playing to the players. IMO, running his mouth is what got Winston released. You don’t do that, and he learned an expensive lesson.

    My response to Javy’s tweet was to tell him that he needs to watch his tweets. I suggested he call Winston for advice. Joel Thorman simply expressed an opinon, Javy made it personal and proved nothing.

    Keep up the good work over here at AA.

    Aiken

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Thanks Aiken.

  • Quinn McCollom

    Ok I play football (Middle Linebacker) and I know whats its like to be criticized for poor play but if a reporter that probably has not played the game in over 15 years if not ever played at all, you dont have the right to say hes not worthy of being a starter and needs to be replaced as soon as possible. I understand hes no Revis or Flowers but he still doesn’t need to be insulted because of it and he probably should have said something instead of “You’re a joke”. He is undersized which makes it hard to play outside so he has to play nickel which he is good at. My take on it is dont be so quick to say hes bad and he cant be a starter. And you have understand that this is how he makes a living and nobody likes getting told they cant do their job right. I like that he is standing up for the Corners but he went to far —P.S. Draft Star Lotulelei he is an absolute monster and if you dont believe me go and watch his game tape against BYU, USC and Washington he dominates almost every play beats double teams and just throws lineman when he wants to and most importantly keeps lineman off the linebackers so they can flow to the ball

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Thanks for the comment. I think reporters have a right to state their opinion in public, as does everyone else. Javier has a right to state his opinion. Javier even has a right to insult reporters he disagrees with. But that doesn’t mean it is right and it doesn’t mean Javier shouldn’t avoid it.

  • RepOurChiefs

    Awesome read patrick.

  • Happee_Bumpee

    Chill man…all ya all!

  • thabear04

    Robinson is moving to safety so it don’t matter

  • Don417

    ooh, some poor little nobody reporter got his feeling hurt? Give him a cookie and a hug and tell him that mean old football player is not a nice man. sniff-sniff

  • NathanaelL

    I guess its just cuz I’m a soldier, combat vet, former Drill Sergeant and born in mobile, AL (roll tide!) that Arenas let you off easy.

  • krayfish

    who the hell is Javier Arenas anyway?? He hasn’t returned a single kick for a TD and is average at CB….he needs to shut up and put up