Chiefs Release Eric Winston, According To Report


According to Pro Football Talk.com, the Kansas City Chiefs have released RT Eric Winston.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Chiefs are releasing Winston. He’ll hit the free agent market immediately, a few days before it opens.

Winston was due to earn a base salary of $4.9 million in 2013. He signed with the Chiefs after being cut last year by the Texans.

The move gives the Chiefs the flexibility to take Luke Joeckel with the first pick in the 2013 draft, and then to move Joeckel or Branden Albert to the right side.

Wow. I am shocked. We just interviewed Winston for Arrowhead Addict earlier this week and the veteran RT seemed excited about the future of the Chiefs under the new regime.

This certainly changes things as far as the offensive line goes. Moving on from Winston sure does seem to make it a slam dunk that the Chiefs will select LT Luke Joeckel with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

I have to say, I don’t get this move at all. Winston’s base salary wasn’t going to be that much of a cap hit for the Chiefs. You can never have enough tackle talent and even if the Chiefs are planning to take Joeckel, it would have been smart to keep Winston on the roster.

Unless there is some kind of injury issue, I really don’t like this move.

Branden Albert reacted to the news on Twitter and he seemed less than thrilled:

Then he added:

Eric Winston confirmed he has been cut:

Here is the kicker:

The deal will save the Chiefs some cash but Winston wasn’t really going to be making an impact on the cap at all. Very strange.

UPDATE:

Looks like PFT may have it wrong. The Chiefs could actually be saving $3.5 million against the cap with this move.


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  • Richard Comstock

    He sucked man and we all know it. Shocking none the less. Who knows.. Maybe a fa signing coming soon. Dont tell me you werent shocked with how bad he actually was… Donald Stephenson would make a good rt too.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      He really didn’t suck. At all.

      • Richard Comstock

        How many other good players in the history of your fandom have you seen get cut twice in conseutive offseasons.. Berry richardson does suck but are you saying that because my shit stinks worst then yours that yours smells good?

        Take your personal feelings out of it.. The dude had a horrible year man and you know it.

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          He didn’t have a horrible year. I thought he had a very fine year. He was the second-highest graded player on the Chiefs’ offense last year by Pro Football Focus. He graded evenly in both pass blocking and run blocking. He was credited for only 4 sacks on the season.

          • Richard Comstock

            http://www.profootballweekly.com/players/eric-winston-216454/

            Funny what these stats say..

            You never answerd my questions tho.. Have you ever seen a good player cut back to back seasons?

          • Jarad

            He was a cap casualty and now theres a new coach and GM that have a chance to take the best player in the NFL Draft, which happens to play OT

          • Michael Shaw

            Yeah, but you don’t tag Branden and then force him to play RT just so you can draft Joeckel, nor do you leave Branden where he is and then draft a guy that SHOULD be a pro bowl LT when his career is over in the NFL and put him at RT???????????? I am confused as to what the hell these guys are going to do in this draft?????

          • Jarad

            I hear ya. Im clueless to what they have planned. Winston getting released threw me off big time.

          • KCMikeG

            You’re right on the penalties and sacks. I knew he hadn’t played as well as I had hoped but I was still surprised by the stats. So do we take Johnson or Fisher?

          • KCMikeG

            I wonder how many pressures & hurries he had in addition to the 6 sacks and 8 penalties?

          • Richard Comstock

            Me too… I just remeber being amazed at how bad he played after thinking he was our savior.

          • KCMikeG

            He didn’t get cut in Houston, he was a salary cap move. He was ok this year but had too many penalties and sacks/pressures allowed. We have to have a major move planned to replace him which has to be using our #1 pick on Fisher or Johnston. Do you think one of the FA’s would make more sense?

          • Richard Comstock

            He did get cut in houston. Without an offer to rework his deal. So we should make excuses for both the times he got cut?…

            So half of you are already back to second guessing the same guys you loved on monday?

          • KCMikeG

            As I said he was a salary cap casualty not a performance cut. That’s not an excuse – just the facts. Not making excuses for anyone or second guessing Dorsey/Reid. Try calming down a little and read what I wrote. I said they must have a major move planned like taking an OT with our #1. Hopefully they can trade down and get Fisher or Johnson.

          • Richard Comstock

            Dude the first words of your post were… He didnt get cut in houston..

            Look at tjax. Could have been a cap cut but they decided it would be better to keep him around. They had that option. They cut him instead….

            However your idea is what i want too. Trade back and het either of thoes two.. I like them both more then jockel. Unless we get a rt in fa

          • KCMikeG

            I would compare the difference to if your boss said we would really like to keep you here but we are going to need to ask for a salary concession from you to be able to make our budget (Winston – No & TJax – Yes) vs. You’re Fired – clean out your desk and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out (Richardson). Loadholt interests me in FA. I don’t think the bungles let Smith get away nor does NE with Vollmer.

          • Richard Comstock

            No bro i understand what your saying. However…if you take the two cuts and the season he had in kc it all adds up to him not playing so well.he gave up 9.5 sacks his last year in houston too..

            Kinda the old..if it looks like shit and smells like shit…

          • Danny W

            I agree if nothing else would have made excellent depth.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      If you want to see suck, go back and watch some Barry Richardson tape.

  • Doug McD

    Another piece of the puzzle. My guess is we get a pick from the 49er’s that will replace him. We really do not know what the game plan is. I can only trust from what they have done so far that this move is to better the team.

  • Stacy D. Smith

    WHISKEY… TANGO… FOXTROT… One of the best right tackles in the NFL, signed to a very cap-friendly deal, just got walked a week before free agency opens? This makes absolutely no sense.

    • Doug McD

      Could he have been moving his mouth too much lately?

      • Stacy D. Smith

        I’m gonna go back and read through the recent interview he did. If it was anything juicy we would’ve known about it though.

      • superman_25_58

        I doubt bc the he sounded he was anxious to get started with this new regime. WTF first they make prolly the best move in signing bowe, colquit and tagging albert just to cut their best RT? Dumb!

      • Chief Hokie

        The only way I can rationalize this move is that Dorsey is set on Joekel as the BPA and wants to make him a starter right away. And since Reid employs a pass-first offense, they want guys who can pass block, so they tag Albert and cut Winston who is primarily a run blocker, and in doing so they save cap space…maybe so they can grab a decent FA CB? Now, why they couldn’t keep Winston for depth is a whole other debate. Still scratching my head on this one…

      • chiefridgy

        I think so

    • Richard Comstock

      Come on stacy… You watched every game just like i did. He was a loud mouth weak link. How many times did he get the qb crushed before he even got out of his stance. How many times did he false start? Hes the ONLY weak link on our offense(now that we have smith).

      I know it was shocking but honestly he was over rated. There is a reason a guy gets cut twice in 12 months. Im happy he is gone. Best rt my ass… I was on the bandwagon at one point also but after last year im glad hes toast!

      • Stacy D. Smith

        He surrendered 4 sacks in 2012 and was ranked 8th in pass protection among right tackles. What are you talking about?

        • Richard Comstock

          Dude do your home work.. He gave up 6 sacks and had 8 pentiles and 9.5 sacks the year before..

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            Pro Football Focus, which grades every snap for every player, credited him for 4 sacks. Not 6.

            Not that 6 sacks in 16 games is all that bad. But it was 4.

          • Richard Comstock

            http://www.profootballweekly.com/players/eric-winston-216454/

            It was not 4 buddy ill watch every game tomrrow at work to verify. He did suck… If he was so good.. He wouldnt have got cut. Also it was not his interviews, they cut him ealry im sure as a favor to him.

          • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

            The way Pro Football Focus grades is different and dare I say, more accurate than traditional stats. They take into account whether or not the QB was at fault. A lineman can only block somebody for so long. Sometimes the QB also runs out of the pocket and into a sack.

            As for your question about good players being cut, good players get cut all the time around this time of year. Veteran players, especially good veteran players, become cap casualties. That doesn’t mean they aren’t good anymore. Just that the teams have to make hard decisions.

            Off the top of my head, I couldn’t name you players that have gotten cut two years in a row because I don’t keep track of that sort of thing. It is a straw man anyway and has nothing to do with Winston’s ability and on-field play.

            I think he was good and the cut was a mistake. That is my interpretation of his play. I’ve offered up some stats to back my feelings up. But I’m not trying to change your mind. Your interpretation of his play isn’t wrong. I just disagree.

          • Richard Comstock

            Fair enough… But your man getting to the qb is your man getting to the qb..

            The last thing in the world that andy wants is a weak oline.. He knew something most of us didn’t.. I can say i was horrified at the thought of winston vs denvers pass rushers.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Even if we concede that he allowed 6 sacks, that’s still among the fewest allowed at his position in 2012. I demonstrated that with my list of the most highly regarded right tackles in the league. It’s basically a sack every 2.5 games. There are certainly players who are better in pass pro, but to say that he sucks at it flies in the face of what happened last season.

            Guess who else gave up 6 sacks last season? Duane Brown. Mind you, he’s a LEFT tackle (where pass pro is more highly scrutinized). Guess the Texans should send him packing too eh?

            Clarification:
            It’s being reported now that the Chiefs parted ways with Winston because of an injury situation. Much less upsetting, but still a bit disappointing.

          • Steve Blank

            that would explain not being able to trade him too….

          • Steve Blank

            i agree…some sacks are definitely the fault of the qb…again.. I am bewildered why they wouldnt try to trade him…if they, (the gm and coach and owner) did any wrong, not trading him has to be it

          • shayaan

            “ill watch every game tomrrow at work to verify”

            lol

          • Steve Blank

            whats funny ? if you have the subscription it is possible to watch the condensed games…I do it too

          • Stacy D. Smith

            That guy’s a sieve!

          • Richard Comstock

            Hey pat..>FOOD FOR THOUGHT…BARRY RICHARDSON GAVE UP 5 sacks in 2011 and was only flagged 8 times!!!

            Winston gave up 6 sacks and was flagged 10 times!!

            we can dig even deeper…

            over the last 2 seasons Barry Richardson gave up 13 sacks and had only 13 flags

            Winston had 13.5 sacks and was flagged 14 times!

            how would you spin that?

          • Jarad

            The Chiefs Oline was a rotating door in his 1st season with the team!! He wasn’t that bad with those circumstances. Maybe he was over-hyped , but he is not a bad RT

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I stand corrected. Six sacks allowed in 2012.

            1 more than Bryan Bulaga.
            1.75 more than Tyson Clabo.
            .5 more than Sebastian Vollmer.
            5.5 less than Michael Oher.
            1 less than Zach Strief.

            You’re right, Winston’s a turnstile.
            SMH.

          • superman_25_58

            The only thing I care about is what he did for the Chiefs. Winston with the Chiefs has done good considering all the young guys, new faces, and injury’s the line suffered. I’m with Stacy D, makes no sense to me.

      • superman_25_58

        Ya he got beat sometimes bc he was having to help Asamoah “however you spell it” out a bunch from what I saw this season.

    • scastagnoli

      Stacy, none of us are privy to any possible injury situation, but having watched this game for over forty-five years as a rabid fan, let me say this tackle was lacking in pass-pro. His feet are slow, and his stiffness showed up when he had to face a decent speed rusher. If you recall, shortly after he was signed, a few Texans’ fans popped up and stated his protection skills were suspect.

      In today’s game, I believe it’s important to have bookends who can pass block because so many teams can move their best rushers around to take advantage of match-ups. Not every team can field two decent pass-blocking tackles, but it helps greatly if you want to be a good passing team.

      The Chiefs still have options because they may decide to sign a better veteran, or they can move DS to the right side. He’s a fine athlete who performed better than we might have expected when he replaced BA. I’m big on depth at this position, so they could at least sign someone who can play capable on the right side as a swing tackle because both BA and DS can obviously play (and have played) on the left side. I hope they can secure the line in free agency because there seems to be a consensus building that SF from Florida is emerging as a dominant prospect. Although his best fit appears to be in a 4/3, evaluators feel he could be a very good 3/4 end. It would be great to have one end who is a threat to penetrate and rush the passer as well.

      • scastagnoli

        I’m meant to type capably! We need an edit feature on this website.

      • Steve Blank

        yeah…he was much better at run blocking than pass blocking…this move fits with Andy Reid’s offensive philosphy…he is gonna want a faster line to get out there on the screens and swing passes

    • Stacy D. Smith

      Apparently there’s an injury situation though. I’m looking forward to hearing more about that. Makes more sense if he had something serious going on.

  • Justin R Groth

    ??? This New regime is defiantly keeping me on my toes with these ups ans downs. :(

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      Indeed. Probably more surprises to come.

    • Jim Harper

      I think you meant definitely. Use your spell check!

      • superman_25_58

        who cares about the spelling lol . Everyone knows what he meant. thanks

      • Justin R Groth

        lol ironically i spell so bad my spell check thought i meant defiantly and i didn’t double check it. :) Ask me about Trig or Calc and I’m your man. Spelling not so much. I once misspelled dog in a spelling bee (It was on purpose but still) :)

        • ArrowFan

          I’m with you on this one lets add some Newtonian mechanics to the list as well.

        • Darkwolf1414

          Who would think someone could be good at math and a total dipshit when it comes to spelling? Just kidding.

      • Darkwolf1414

        Defiantly is a legit word so spell check would NEVER flag it.

  • Brody Hall

    Are these people freaking high?! Winston did just fine this past year so why the fuck are they lettkng him go?! Its like they want to have an excuse to draft Jokel no matter the god damn cost! This is 100% dumb. U just single handedly created a new whole to fill… I completly dissagree with this move and it WILL come back to haunt us… So much for Dee Milliner… DUMBASSES!

    • Chris Tarrants

      Too many false starts, and he got dominated more than he dominated, plus he never shuts up! Brass won’t keep you around if you talk too much aka Larry Johnson?

      • superman_25_58

        Listen this whole Winston running his mouth shit is old and tiring. The man was sticking up for his damn teammate, when some fans were cheering bc Cassel got hurt! Don’t care what anyone says their were fans that were cheering for that reason. Those certain fans are ridiculous, and a bunch of morons. I would of done the same thing if I was in his position. I thought we needed team players and leaders like this in the locker room?

        • dominicscarlatti

          More of the same BS that Winston fed us with his infamous comment. He threw all the fans under the bus, not just the minority of creeps who cheered the injury. This was most likely a salary-cap move, anyway.

        • Chris Tarrants

          It wasn’t just him throwing the fans under the bus, he basically came out and said that they better keep Cassel, then he went and said that Albert is only a left tackle and it should stay that way. I’m not saying that I disagree with everything or anything that he had to say but managment obviously did, he was cut just a few hours after the interview about albert was made public!

    • Richard Comstock

      Man you guys are so fickel. We are getting our cb in the fa market man relax. He was probbly the most overrated player in the nfl. Ask your self why would he get cut in back to back seasons? Are the experts really dumbasses? Once everyone relaxes you will be okay. Everyone will be on the dorsey bandwagon next week.

      • superman_25_58

        Who cares about getting cut back to back seasons for crying out loud man. He got cut in Houston for cap reasons, and he got cut in KC bc of new Regime! It has nothing to do with his play what so ever. He did very well coming to a new team, and new teammates, mostly all young and producing IMO. I agree, bad move.

    • dominicscarlatti

      Have you ever heard of the NFL salary cap?

  • Chris Tarrants

    That just saved us about 15 false starts next year!

    • Spencer

      6 actually and he had 8 over the last two years combines, and 1 over the last 11 games of this past season….the only reason why you noticed his more then others is because of his comments on the fans (something that is completely irrelevant to his play on the field and one that i do not care about)…he misinterpreted cheering for booing, who cares???

      anyway….bad move, very cheap and a good/solid starting RT in this league, i wouldn’t rate him as great but you don’t just release cheap starting players…

      • Chris Tarrants

        it was sarcasm there genius, I’m sorry if I’m not all torn up about this but if he had kept his mouth shut about us fans then I might be but he threw the whole city under the bus so for that I say good riddens

  • Irebigjohn

    What???we were the 5th best overall in yards per game. winston helped out a lot with that. awsome job stepping in last year and doing a good job winston, oh and he wasnt hurt once all year long. Now we will have a rookie out here making mistakes. We just lost a bit in o-line talent.

    • Steve Blank

      or maybe he was hurt all year long and it led to his release?

  • Adrian Morales

    He was in my opinion our worst lineman to supposedly be that good and that many false starts is ridicoulous we got Allen and Stephenson who i think we should add yo the starting line up yhis year

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      He did have 10 penalties last year, however five of them came in the first 5 games. Seems like it took him some time to settle into the offense.

      Still, his play, at least according to Pro Football Focus, was solid all season long.

    • Danny W

      He held his own way better than Don Steve did.

    • Steve Blank

      only 5 false starts man…that isnt bad

  • ryanw

    Wasn’t he just saying how excited he was about the upcoming season and the moves the front office was doing….lol that’s the last time anyone talks shit about us Chiefs fans another great move by Dorsey A+ I guess we all know who we are picking unless FA changes anything DAMN!!!!

  • Adrian Morales

    Yes even worse yhan lilja

  • http://www.facebook.com/nico.marquez.98 Nico Marquez

    I hope that we bring in fa tackle instead of drafting joeckel. I wouldn’t mind joeckel but I think milliner would help us a lot more. Or trading back an taking a linebacker

  • http://www.facebook.com/jason.howell.39 Jason Howell

    How many sacks did he give up? It seems to me he wasnt the best but way better than old Barry. Would have been good insurance to even have on the bench. Must be other issues.

    • Chris Tarrants

      I’m guessing he bumped his gums one too many times for their liking

    • Danny W

      He was a road grader for the running game. We gouged teams on the right side it seemed. He did jump off a lot though and allowed six sacks but for his price it wasn’t a bad player and would have made excellent depth.

  • KCMikeG

    He was not as good as we had hoped with double digit penalties and 6 sacks surrendered. I am still surprised. So do we go Joeckel, Fisher or Johnson? Johnson has played RT and Fisher may actually be the prize of the group having played both tackles and guard. Or do we go FA Vollmer, Smith & Loadholt in FA?

    • Richard Comstock

      Man fisher or johnson… That sounds like a win win!

    • Danny W

      I haven’t heard but I think Long may hit the open market too. If you could trade back and still get one of those guys your talking about that would be cool. It is a bit of head scratcher to me though as not seeking a trade partner or keeping Winston for depth.

      • KCMikeG

        The only reason I could think of for them to not try to trade Winston is if the injury rumor is true and they knew he wouldn’t pass a physical. Strange situation? The front office hasn’t even acknowledged him being cut yet.

    • dominicscarlatti

      I think it’s possible that we might draft either Joeckel or Fisher, depending on how we assess them. If we traded down to 10th, say, then Johnson might be there for us. I assume this puts the move Albert rumors to rest, so maybe we’re drafting (at least for the time being) for ORT. Reid might be comfortable installing a stud OLT prospect on the right, and if so, any of the three could be drafted.

  • Lyle Graversen

    This really ticks me off. It’s like they button hooked us by tagging Albert and making us think they weren’t going to create a hole in the roster and then this! So we release a solid RT just to make a hole for the #1 pick. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

    • mattU

      I think this is slightly exaggerated…Stephenson filled in admirably for Albert at LT last year. Is it outside the realm of possibility that Dorsey/Reid think he can step in at RT with minimal drop-off from Winston? If that’s the case, then the move doesn’t seem as dumb…Not saying I agree with it, but I don’t think they necessarily created a hole that can only be filled by a #1 pick.

      • Danny W

        I think Don Steve has a long ways to go really. I highly doubt his ceiling is pro bowl, and with a game manager qb we’re going to need a very very solid line. Even if the new brass is high on him wouldn’t it be wise to keep solid depth like that for as cheap as he was?

      • dominicscarlatti

        I think you may be on to something. Andy Reid likes pass-blocking ORT’s, so Stephenson there makes some sense. I also think that this may have been primarily a salary-cap move.

    • dominicscarlatti

      When the Alex Smith trade was revealed, everyone went mental on Dorsey and Reid. However, when the Albert/Bowe/Colquitt/TJax moves were announced, everyone was blown away by the intelligence and vision of Dorsey and Reid. And now, here we go again. My bretheren, please consider stepping back from the precipice, taking a long deep breath, or ten, and withholding judgment until the dust begins to clear. Otherwise, we are just a bunch of hysterical ninnies. Hysterical severely bipolar ninnies…

      • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

        I think people are just reacting to each deal. No one is being hysterical. When the Chiefs do something people think is smart, they will be happy. When they do something people think is stupid, they will be mad.

  • Lyle Graversen

    So much for trading back from #1 and picking up extra picks to replace the ones lost in the Smith trade.

    • KCMikeG

      A trade back in the top 10 would still get us a RT and the 2nd round pick replaced. Lane Johnson would be a great addition. This move keeps is “in the market” for an OT so could drive that trade down Dorsey said we are working on still.

      • Richard Comstock

        This guy gets it… We can still land a great rt with a trade back into the first round..

        It will be very hard to get off the pick like pat said.. Thats why i still see us taking geno(as crazy as that sounds)

        • Steve Blank

          I heard on 610 today that the Chiefs already have offers for the spot on the table…I sure hope thats true…because, IMHO, any thing extra (any pick 3rd round or better) for that spot that would allow us to get one of the top 3 OTs is a great deal

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      THere is no way anyone is trading for the #1 pick. It NEVER happens and it certainly isn’t going to happen in this draft. Deep but no stars? I’d fall out of my chair if the Chiefs managed to move it. At this point, if Geno is out, then I would be thrilled to move back.

      • Bosco Cletus

        What do you mean exactly that it NEVER happens? Rams traded from the 6th spot to number one to take Orlando Pace. You yourself said yesterday that they could possibly draft Geno and trade down with him, so which is it?

        • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

          It is very, very rare that someone trades all the way up to #1. That is why I said drafting Geno and trading him might be easier because now you are trading for a player and not a pick.

          In such a weak draft I doubt anyone will trade up.

          • Bosco Cletus

            It would seem more unlikely in this draft vs. say last years draft with two stars at the top but you never know. Here’s to hoping Oakland or Arizona fall in love with the pick before April.

      • Steve Blank

        it happened just last year didnt it? or maybe not..but sometime in the recent past it happened…its not as big a deal as it used to be with this new CBA

    • Danny W

      Doesn’t seem likely now at all. Now if they pick up Jake Long……

      • Darkwolf1414

        Jake Long would be an expensive pick up and I think it’s silly to move Albert to RT. Maybe they are going to switch Stephenson to RT, try to trade down and get another RT later.
        I just don’t know what to think with this regime.

        1) I’m HYPED that the Chiefs may actually draft a QB with their first ever 1st overall pick. Bullshit, that there isn’t a top tier QB in this draft. What makes that true? That none of the so called “experts” can agree on a consensus #1? Who gives a shit? Most of those idiots couldn’t find their ass with both hands anyway.
        I get slammed back to earth when they get Alex Smith. The guy who can’t stay healthy and didn’t even play marginally well until he got a specific coach. I live near SF. Almost NONE of their fans liked Alex Smith and the Sports Talk guys out here are LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT US for trading for the guy. No one in SF thinks Reid and Dorsey are geniuses for getting him.

        2) Still bummed about Alex Smith and because it looks like we’re going to let Albert walk and draft Joeckel as a lateral move (if we’re extremely lucky).
        Then they get all of our MAJOR FAs resigned or franchise tagged so I get excited again.

        3) Slammed down again because they release Winston. So we’re back to taking a Tackle with the first ever 1st overall pick for the franchise. What then? Does Albert got to RT? So in essence we’re replacing a very good LT with a rookie LT who lacks the strength to be very effective in the running game and is extremely susceptible to speed rushers to the inside. Then we move our very good LT to RT, which is a different set of skills in many ways. Drafting a lesser LT so you can move your successful LT to RT makes no sense to me.

        I know it’s only March but damn it! I feel like the kid who wants the cool kids to like him so he hangs around even though they abuse him. They keep kicking me in the crotch and then convincing me that they won’t do it again. And I’m dumb enough to believe them!

        I would like to say that I believe that it will all come together because Reid and Dorsey know what they are doing. However, I don’t feel that way! I always want to be optimistic about my Chiefs. The problem is, in my 37 years, there have been too many times when we THOUGHT the people in charge knew what they were doing but we got nowhere.

        I think Patrick and Stacy have both said that they will believe in this regime when they show us they are on the right track. I’m right there, too. The right track to me, in the very near future, is a division title and at least a playoff win. Beyond there, it has to be a Super Bowl. I don’t see us getting to either of those with Alex Smith and neither do the 49er fans whose team he used to play for. I hope I’m wrong or we draft a QB to groom under Alex Smith, as Patrick mentioned before.

    • Steve Blank

      not so fast man…they could trade back with Oaktown and still get either Joeckel or Fisher….because the Faiders are guaranteed to pick Geno if they are at the top spot

  • Arrowhead Magic

    Before everyone comes out and say how bad Winston was last year and was so overhyped let’s not forget who he blocked for. Because there’s a big difference between blocking for Matt Schaub and blocking for Matt Cassel/ Brady Quinn.

    • Richard Comstock

      Your right bro.. Big difference.. He gave up 9.5 sacks his last year in Houston. 3.5 more then in kc..

      I feel he sucked. Opinions are like assholes but stats are not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jasonfseibel Jason Seibel

    Chiefs fans have a tendency to dislike Winston because of the way he reacted to the Matt Cassel debacle last season. That’s fine, if you want to hate on the guy for calling you out. But don’t say the guy was a bad football player. Why do you think Charles was the only offensive player on the Chiefs to make the pro-bowl? He didn’t fly over those defensive linemen…

    • Jim Harper

      Nor did Winston pave his way!

    • Danny W

      True, Charles had his best luck running the ball on the right side of the line.

  • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

    Just updated the post. new details indicate that the Chiefs will save about $3.5 million on the cap and now less than a million as was originally reported by PFT

    • http://www.facebook.com/jasonfseibel Jason Seibel

      Still not worth releasing him, but that’s just my opinion…crazy…

    • Danny W

      Why throw away solid depth at that price? This has Jared Gaither written all over it.

  • Kurt Rauch

    I am in the corner of those who believe this move had more to do with the unprofessionalism exhibited and embarassment caused by Winston’s outburst against the fans last year. His play was ok; stats aside, I found myself wishing on a number of occasions that he could hold a block longer than he did. But although I didn’t necessarily disagree with the message he conveyed against a small group of booing fans–I absolutely believe that he gets paid to take it like a man and should keep the player/fan relationship positive at all times. No exceptions. He probably should have been suspended by the team when it happened. It was ugly and frankly depressing.

    • Danny W

      Yeah I wasn’t impressed by the gladiator speech either.

    • dominicscarlatti

      And he talks, and talks, and talks some more. Now, he’ll be talking to the fans in another city. Good player, overall, though, and with his club-friendly contract, he will be an excellent pick up for a team in need of an ORT. The Chiefs cut him quickly, also, which might help him in the market.

  • http://twitter.com/DementeDiabetic Dalton Meek

    Winston was a classy guy, I can’t believe he won’t be with us next year, best of luck to him.

    • Danny W

      Classy yes, Gladiator, no.

      • dominicscarlatti

        Gladiator, yes, classy, not…

  • Jason

    Horrible move, makes me scratch my head. I’m very disappointed . Just when you think you got thigs figured out.

  • Jason

    I’m very annoyed by this move…. But I’ll hold back to see the reason. I really hope there was good reasoning besides from saving a lousy 3.5 in cap.

    • Jim Harper

      A lousy 3.5 mil? Man I wish I lived in your world.

      • Jason

        Lol hey now, you know what I mean. In cap space that’s very little, especially for a great player.

        • KCMikeG

          Actually he was only $700k against the cap – the rest was cash.

    • Danny W

      I’m kinda in agreement here. If they go out and get Jake Long or something, then whatever, but If one of our tackles goes down were probably gonna be missing this guy. 3.5 in cap space is tiny. For the third best right tackle in the league shouldn’t we have gotten a fourth or fifth for the guy?

  • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

    Ok this one is a surprise. I’ve expected everything so far but this definately came from left field.

  • http://twitter.com/biglump007 Leon Ritz

    Can’t really say that I like or dislike this move, I honestly don’t understand it. I believe Winston was rated 3rd best RT in the NFL last year and in my mind the only reasons for him to be released would be some sort of undisclosed injury, or that Dorsey/Reid just don’t think he will fit the Chiefs blocking scheme. I know until last year the Chiefs ran a power blocking scheme and then switched to a zone blocking scheme which is what Winston came from in Houston. Maybe he just didn’t fit scheme wise and they figured there was someone out there draft or FA that does.

    • Darkwolf1414

      Your scheme fit idea makes a lot of sense. I hadn’t thought of that.

  • Justin R Groth

    if they wanted to say goodbye to him y not a trade to chicago or the rams. we basically let one of the highest ranked rt in the league go for NOTHING. SMH

    • mattU

      I can’t imagine them not doing a trade if Winston approved of it (especially considering there’s no compensatory picks granted for cut players) and willing trade partners out there.

      The Chiefs can live with Stephenson at RT…he filled in nicely for
      Albert at LT, and quite honestly may prove to be better than Winston
      anyway. That said, you don’t just go cutting productive starters with reasonable contracts unless there’s anticipation of cap issues…My guess is there’s a CB in free agency they want to go after and looking to cut as much as they can. I’m just waiting for the Matt Cassel cut: any day now!

      • Danny W

        Yeah I’d say we could have gotten a late round pick for Winston, that said I’m biding my time for Matt Cassel, when he’s cut it’s a good day for him and me.

        • Michael Shaw

          I am just afraid that Dorsey and Reid think they can fix Cassel and they end up keeping him as a back-up to Alex, which I will then be praying every night that Alex NEVER gets so much as a scratch. I don’t want to see Matt on the field ever again as a Chief!!

  • Jim Harper

    Man or man! I just read through all the comments and I see all the talking heads are back in full attack mode. I was among those who sat by anxiously while Pioli stuffed Winston with BBQ for 3 days and super happy when he signed. I was disappointed in his level of play after all the hype. That being said I am still in full support of the new regime and what they are doing. They know a lot more about this game than all of us combined. I am sure they have valid reasons. If they choose to share those reasons, then great. If not, then great. I am trusting that they are going to put a vastly improved product on the field. Now will anyone bitch if that happens? Sadly they probably will, but I won’t be one of them.

    • Danny W

      I’m sure Joeckel will be better than Winston but I think at his price he would have made excellent depth don’t you think Jim? What if one of our tackles goes down? That’s when I’ll remember Eric Winston and bitch a little.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tyler.eckstein.31 Tyler Eckstein

    I’m going to trust the front office on this one. As bad as our offense was last year its not ganna hurt to clean house and start afresh GO CHIEFS!!

  • Erik Hild

    I liked Eric Winston but he did have a lot of false starts last year still they must really like Joekel. I have a hard time believing Brandon Albert will move to RT without a big fuss.

    • Danny W

      Yeah I think Albert think’s he’s a future hall of famer or something. If your getting paid what you want quit bitching and play were they put you imo.

      • Michael Shaw

        DW I don’t agree with your last statement. As Winston pointed out earlier in the week, some guys are better suited for ANY team they play for as either a RT or a LT. It is not easy, from what I hear, to switch back and forth, so I don’t blame Albert for not wanting to move to RT, especially since he has been a VERY good LT for us.

    • dominicscarlatti

      They may well plan to draft Joeckel or Fisher and plant him at ORT in place of Winston.

  • sidibeke

    Also have a hard time understanding this.

    One concern is that Winston was a great run blocker but less so in pass protection; am I going to relive days of yelling at Weiss for underutilizing the best player on the team?

    Another concern: don’t like it when players are surprised to see a teammate get cut. I don’t think it does well for overall team morale.

    I’m done over-reacting, though. I’m going to have to see what comes next. If nothing else, it sure is an exciting offseason!

  • KCMikeG

    I don’t believe it had anything to do with his comments. In fact I’m hearing reports that there was an injury concern with his arm which lead to this decision. Securing Albert allows them to make the right move with Winston w/o leaving both OT open. Pretty ironic that on the day he was talking up the team, the future, the young guys on the OL and especially the impact of a team taking care of it’s guys on the rest of the team. Don’t worry fellow fans – they have a plan that will make us better at RT.

    • dominicscarlatti

      If he does have an arm injury or condition, we might not want to enter the season with two OT’s with physical issues, especially with a combined cap number of what, 14 million or so? Winston is a very very good run blocker and a substandard pass blocker, and Andy would prefer to have it the other way around. I would have liked to see him stay, but after seeing Dorsey and Reid in action, I agree that this is all part of a bigger plan with many moving parts, and that they will provide a suitable replacement for Winston.

  • ArrowFan

    We can also still sigh a FA RT. However I wounder what we can get for less than 3.5 mil? What does a top first round draft pick cost the cap? Can Stephenson replace Winston? If we pay top dollar for a FA then that would answer the question as to where they thought he wasn’t good enough and it was realy about the money. However it is a buisness and it is always about the money.

  • cyberry

    I believe Donald Stephenson will be moved over to RT. He did a very good job at filling in the blindside last year in his rookie year..

  • berttheclock

    Truly a WTF moment. So, what is the new plan? Draft a college LT, have him play RT and see if Albert can be signed long term and if not move the new player to LT and pick up another RT? Stephenson, otherwise known as Barry “Manilow” Richardson Lite, needs two more years just lifting weights as he stumbled and bumbled trying to fill in at LT last year, contrary to the comment of Yancey Berry. Bleacher Report rated his services at the 26th mark for LTs. Now, what does this do with the “They’re going take Geno” movement? I have faith in our new GM, but, a very strange start to this day.

  • chiefridgy

    As always in this league…..on to the next one!

  • oldchiefsfan

    This definitely ain’t no Pioli managed football team. You never know what to expect from these guys!

  • Michael Shaw

    I haven’t read anyone’s posts yet, but has anyone considered the fact that Winston was such a stout defender of his buddy Cassel that the new brain trust decided keeping him would be detrimental to the new QB they are bringing in????

  • oldchiefsfan

    Sebastian Vollmer from the Patriots in FA maybe?

  • Priest4Prez

    I’m not going to pretend to understand this move. This only leads me to believe that we’re taking a safe pick and that’s replacing already a stellar player. Are we now looking to be pass first and is that a good idea?? I feel a waste of Charles is now in the rearview mirror, unless this Joekel kid can run block even half as well as Winston. I understand we were a 2-14 team and changes must happen but I feel like they’re going a bit crazy on this one