Trading Into The First Round

Jan 23, 2013; Mobile AL, USA; Senior Bowl south squad quarterbacks Tyler Wilson of Arkansas (8) with E.J. Manuel of Florida State (3) and Landry Jones of Oklahoma (14) listen as Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Scott Linehan teaches new plays during practice at Ladd-Peebles Stadium. Mandatory Credit: John David Mercer-USA TODAY Sports

I’ve stated on Arrowhead Addict before that I believe the best course of action for the Chiefs to take when the draft comes around is to select offensive tackle Luke Joeckel and trade back into the first round for a quarterback. With Joeckel, you replace Brandon Albert with a guy that won’t command such a hefty salary and is also seemingly the best player available. As far as trading back into the first round, it allows the Chiefs to select a quarterback without passing on the best player available.

Do I want the Chiefs to draft a quarterback? Absolutely. But the thought of the Chiefs drafting a quarterback first overall and the quarterback being a bust scares me to death. Getting a quarterback in the second round does not, but I just don’t know what quarterbacks are going to be left at the 34th pick, and lest we forget the Jaguars pick before us in the second, and I could see them taking a guy that Chiefs fans are salivating for on the second day of the draft.

Would there be anything wrong with waiting for the 34th pick to take a QB? Conceptually no. Taking a second round quarterback doesn’t include quite the commitment that a first round quarterback would require. Don’t believe me? Ask Jimmy Clausen (but the guy does have his own website).  And over the last couple of seasons, several good quarterbacks have come out in the second round: Andy Dalton (#35 in 2011) and Colin Kaepernick (#36 in 2011) mark some examples. But what must be stated is that both those picks came in what was a large, if not particularly exciting draft class. And for every Dalton or Kaepernick, there are Clausens and Brian Brohms. It doesn’t help that this year’s quarterback class is slim pickings, so waiting for the pick might not be the best option to solve the quarterback situation in Kansas City.

Trading back into the first round would be an aggressive move by the Chiefs, but it would also allow for the team to judge how the draft is shaking out, and if there is a sudden run on quarterbacks, the Chiefs could give up a couple of picks and get one of the guys they want before they are left with Tyler Bray or Mike Glennon.

What would the Chiefs have to give up? Well that obviously depends on how far they want to jump. Let’s take a look at some examples:

Two teams that drafted in the top seven picks traded back into the first round last year: Tampa Bay and Minnesota. Minnesota, who held the 4th overall pick, drafted Matt Kalil with the selection and then traded their 2nd (35th overall) and 4th (98th overall) to jump up and take Harrison Smith with the 29th overall pick. Tampa Bay, who took Mark Barron seventh overall, traded their 2nd (36th overall) and 4th (101st overall) to Denver for its 31st pick and its 120th pick. The Bucs selected Doug Martin with the selection. Even New England got in on the action, trading the 27th and 93rd picks to jump to 21 where they grabbed Chandler Jones. Examples can go on and on, but it seems like these are good precedents to go by, especially for teams that pick early in each round.

These are all recent examples, and the new CBA makes trading up and down the draft board more flexible, but what you have to like the most is the ability for teams to draft multiple guys in the first round if the price is right. The Chiefs hold one of the top two draft picks in all the rounds, so maneuverability is an advantage. If the Chiefs wanted to move a 2nd and 4th to jump up and take a quarterback in the late first round, I would not have a problem with that and would even prefer it. If the Chiefs were planning on using the 2nd round pick on a QB anyway, then why not just pull the trigger early and throw a 4th in and don’t think twice.

The last time the Chiefs traded back into the first round was in 2008 when Carl Peterson took Glenn Dorsey with the 5th overall pick and then traded an additional first round pick – 17th overall – as well as a third and a fifth round pick to jump two slots to fifteenth overall where he selected Branden Albert. While this seems like a lot, remember the Chiefs had a ton of ammunition as far as draft picks go after trading future Hall of Famer Jared Allen to the Vikings. While Dorsey never quite lived up to expectations, Albert has exceeded his and might hit the open market just because of how well he has performed during his time as a Chief and how expensive he has made himself become.

Sure, not all trades back into the first round work out. The Browns gave up a future first round selection and a second round pick to take Brady Quinn number 22 overall. Obviously, in hindsight, that was the wrong move; but it still isn’t as bad as if they had taken him number three overall that year. I feel like teams with top five draft picks need to take the best player available while teams with picks in the second half of the draft can take some more risks on players that have question marks, or players that they see a lot in and don’t want to risk them going before they pick again in the second round (the Chiefs taking Jon Baldwin in 2011 at #26 is a good example of that). According to most analysts, a quarterback in the first round would be a risky move, but the risk is lessened when you trade back in. While you lose a couple of draft picks, you also take the draft into your own hands instead of waiting for it to come to you.

While I am by no means a General Manager, and have yet to lead my fantasy football team to the promised land, I believe I speak with logic and purpose when it comes to trading into the first round. Obviously, it depends on how the draft’s shaping up, but if it looks like the team needs to make a move to get a quarterback they favor, I am all about being aggressive.

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  • Chris Tarrants

    My question for you is this, you say drafting a quarterback #1 overall scares you because it might be a bust.So then how does using that pick on an unknown tackle make you feel any better when we already have a great left tackle? Basically we would be wasting that pick just so that a qb doesn’t bust and we don’t look foolish? I say no, Albert is just as good as any left tackle in the game, so just resign the man. He has earned his payday, pay him and draft Geno Smith, if he is a bust then so be it but we as diehard Chiefs fans want a franchise qb and want to see excitement again in Arrowhead! Live by the sword, die by the sword but until that day fight like hell and get a qb

    • Doug McD

      Perfect!

    • Nathan Bramwell

      You bring up good points, so let me answer them. 1) Why taking a tackle #1 overall doesn’t scare me: it is very hard for a top offensive tackle to be a bust. Many point to Robert Gallery, the number 2 pick in 2004, as a bust, but he was able to move inside and become a good guard. When a quarterback is a bust, it is not salvageable and can set a franchise back years. 2) As much as I like Branden Albert, I think you are overestimating him. Yes, he is a top-10 pass blocker in the league, but is a slightly below average run blocker. Don’t take my word for it, here’s the stats: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/13/free-agent-duel-bowe-or-albert/. 3) As much as I enjoy your aggressive attitude about drafting Geno and bringing excitement back to Arrowhead, I think it is too much of a risk, or at least more of a risk than trading back into the first round to grab one at a more suitable draft slot.

      • Jason Ray Brawn

        I have a question what about trading the #1 pick with say the Eagles at #4 and while not only picking up a couple more picks we could grab Eric Fischer from CMU (who i believe will be a better pro tackle) or Dee Miliner (who would immediatly fill a hole in our secondary) and then either draft at 34 or move back into the 1st round to grab Barkley, Wilson, or Manuel.

      • Doug McD

        Things have changed a bit. The first pick will get a 4year 22/24 mil deal with about 15 mil signing bonus. This isn’t quite the risk that the first pick contracts of a few years ago were. The new CBA took the huge risk/$ out of the equation.

      • KCMikeG

        Albert only allowed one sack this year with one of the worst passing games in the league. And while he may not be one of the top ranked blocking LT’s you need to keep in mind that teams knew we were going to run his direction most of the time and that they loaded the box against us most of the time because we were so weak with the pass. With any kind of passing threat his run blocking rating will soar. Great to hear we are working towards signing him. That removes Joeckel from consideration and clears the way for Geno Smith to be our #1 pick. Joeckel is NOT a sure thing – as is any top draft choice. Look at the history of OT top 2 pick busts: Madarich 1989, Williams 2002, 2001 was Leonard Davis – moved to G; 2009 was Jason Smith – moved to RT traded – bust. The ONLY successes I can see are Pace, Boscelli & Long (although after slipping play & injuries the Fins are looking to trade him just 5 years later). Drafting an OT definitely doesn’t look like anymore of a sure thing than a QB. We have our LT – we don’t have our QB – case closed.

      • Chiefswatch

        Yea trade back into the first round so instead of wasting one pick we can waste two or even three picks on one prospect. As if there is some real difference between us wasting a pick at one and some other team wasting thier first round pick…Yea you are right, if we select Geno at one and he fails we would be much worse off then if we selected him at 15 or 25 and he failed. Why the hell do you believe that???? I want you to explain how wasting a pick on a QB later in the first round is preferred to wasting that exact same pick at one? It’s not even financially crippling any longer.

      • http://www.facebook.com/katiri.taylor Katiri Taylor

        A bust at QB does not set a franchise back years anymore.The new cba allows you to sign your 1st pick for far less than before. Tyson Jackson is due approx $14 million this season.A 1st round qb would be roughly $5million against the cap this season.The risk/reward for a qb at that cost totally worth it.
        Drafting a player you already have doesnt make you better,it may make financial sense in the long run,but a proven commodity is better than a gamble(draft pick),imo. Hence,Albert to me,is more valueable than Joechel because hes proven himself in the NFL ,so there is no need to take a risk at that position.

  • kirk

    I strongly agree with Chris. why in the h*ll would we draft a LT who probably already hit his peak in college. its no telling if he can handle the demarcus ware’s, von Miller, dummerville, jpp, j tuck. and even if he does become the greatest LT of ALL FLIPPING TIMR so be it. it means nothing without a good qb. look at Jake long… dolphins drafted him before the draft! and he didn’t live up to his hype. the Browns have the best LT in the league and they are a prime example of having a great LT doesn’t result in Wins. resign an already proven LT in Albert and use the 1st pick on someone with high value, Nuff said

  • Ron White

    I laugh every time i read someone saying they are afraid of a QB being a bust if picked with the #1 pick. Then go on to say that if they draft one with the 2nd Rd pick and he bust it is not so bad. That is just too funny. Either way they are a bust and you go backwards. If the QB that you think has the most potential is available now but you don’t think he will be available with the next pick then you have to pull the trigger. Oh and you don’t draft an LT when you already have a Top tier LT. That would be more stupid than drafting a QB #1 that busts because you already know what you have.

    • Michael Shaw

      He is saying that we draft Luke only if they don’t sign Albert. Try reading the whole article and then argue that point.

      • Darkwolf1414

        I read the whole article. He said we should let Albert walk and sign an unknown commodity in Joeckel because the rookie will not cost as much.

      • Ron White

        And that is even dumber….Letting Albert walk and signing Luke is a complete waste of the #1 pick. How could anyone not see that??????

    • Chiefswatch

      lol its a retarded argument for sure. the days of 60mill contracts are gone so where is the logic?

  • TAZMOSIS

    I am not in favor of drafting Joeckel, and as other readers have mentioned, we have Albert. And if you look at his stats, when Charles runs to his left, Albert must be doing something right. If I had a say so, I would try to get Nick Foles, as Kelly has made it clear that Foles does not fit in their plans. If he could be had for say a third, then the Chiefs have opened a huge door to what they could do in the draft. They could either trade down, draft for defense, and maybe still get a QB in the late first or second. Having seen what Foles did in limited duty with the Eagles, and having Reid to mentor him with the Chiefs makes this a great off-season for the team. Plus, the third rounder they give for Foles is a compensatory pick in the Brandon Carr signing by the Cowboys. In looking at the QBs available in the draft, it is becoming clear that the Chiefs would have to use their number one pick on a future QB. I think that if they could bring in a Foles or Alex Smith, and don’t have to overpay, they at least have someone with NFL experience that brings results in the first year, rather than force-feeding a rookie. One other advantage. They will not be wasting the talent already on the roster by waiting for that rookie to develop.

  • Nathan Bramwell

    For everyone saying we already have Albert apparently doesn’t know what “unrestricted free agent” means. Sure, we could have Albert for another year after this year by franchising him, but that doesn’t mean a long term deal will ever be reached. So yeah, consider that.

    • Chris Tarrants

      They are working out the details on a deal now, he will get a new contract and I will put money on it

      • Brody Hall

        then sign bowe and use the tag on coulquit just to say we used it on a punter! HELL YES!!!!

        • Darkwolf1414

          Hilarious!

  • kirk

    was he really as good as everyone made him out to be? I mean if you block for a scrambling qb this yr and tannehill last yr who also gets out of the pocket. who’s to say he can keep his blocks for a pocket passer. assuming chiefs get a pocket passer this yr

    • jimfromkcj

      Ask any offensive nlineman who he would rather block for, a guy who he knows where he will be and can route blocker around him ora Qb who scrambles and you don’t know where he is at and you don’t know which way to take your blocks. I would venture to say that it is much easier to block for a QB that you don’t have to guess where he is at. One thing that hasn’t been brought up is the possible reason Albert only gave up one sack ;ast year. We ran the ball for the most part an when we threw the ball it was usually a slant or other similar throws that doesn’t take but a couple of seconds to run. And either QB either a pocket or scrambler the off line still has to block their man.

  • Danny W

    Drafting Joeckle will be huge let down to me. That said if they grab Barkley down there I won’t be as upset. I’d much rather have Geno Smith but Barkley will do fine in the league.

    • Michael Shaw

      You are out of your mind. Barkley will either be injury prone or do as well as Leinart, Cassel or still undecided bust or not, Sanchez…….not worth it.

      • Danny W

        Lets have a small friendly wager on this huh?

  • calciomoti

    Just no…I read a paragraph and said NO!! With the new cba rookie contacts, is it really that scary? I don’t think so…

  • Brody Hall

    YOU MISTER WRITTER GUY!!! Answer me a question that NOBODY has yet to do… What makes Geno “unworthy” of the first overall pick? What “scares” u so much? How does he have “high bust” implications? Im done arguing for geno or nothing because everyone who goes against me comes in with ZERO evidence to back their arguments… PLEASE JUST GIVE ME A FACT BESIDES HE IS NOT LUCK OR RG3 (btw, didnt geno finish with a better stat line and senior season than RG3 did in the same conference?)

    • chiefridgy

      People don’t realize that ANYBODY can bust no matter where they are picked.

    • cyberry

      His Bowl Game..Tajh Boyd went and beat LSU..Bridgewater completely dominated Florida..both shocked college football..Both QB’s took control of the big game and dominated and showed the “it” factor against top defenses in the “big game”..That’s what you expect from the 1st pick of the draft. Geno passed for a 187 yards and was sacked twice in the end zone for safeties..(he did throw 2 touchdowns)..the weather was bad but Arrowhead is not a dome. Don’t get me wrong…I would love to see what Reid could do with Geno..not to mention…According to “over the cap” the first pick of the draft should get about a 14,000,000 signing bonus over 4-5 years…Everyone can argue about this all day but I answering your question…THIS IS WHY some people think GENO is NOT WORTHY of being the TOP PLAYER of the DRAFT!!!

      • shayaan

        go back and look at how peyton manning fared in his last bowl game at tennesee. hint: it was way worse than geno’s last game. one game in which he didn’t even play that poorly is hardly cause for concern.

        • cyberry

          Listen..I was answering his question..why? Geno had problems with K-State and Texas Tech…It’s all opinion..BTW..Peyton Manning would have been the first pick in the draft his Jr. year..Came back went 10-1..Manning made a come back against Auburn in the SEC championship game..becoming SEC Champion….then did lose against 2nd Ranked Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, competing for the National Championship…He was a 1st Team All-American: Davey O’Brien Winner..Voted Best College Player ESPY..and still was NOT guaranteed the #1 pick…Shayaan Thank you…for helping me make my point..

          • Darkwolf1414

            There are a lot of QBs who had far worse bowl games to end their college careers than Geno did and went on to be very good to great in the NFL. There was actually an article here on ArrowheadAddict not too long ago, which mentioned a list of them. I’m not going to do the leg work to find it for you, though.

      • Chiefswatch

        Lol did you even watch that Bowl game? Not exactly easy passing day for either QB.

        • cyberry

          Yes..i watched the fucking the game..I said..the weather was bad..

        • cyberry

          Chiefswatch..I apologize for my language but it irritates me when someone asks a question I answer it..from what I have read..(I’m torn on Geno..)..and other peoples views..Then I get scrutinized because I mention other people views…I personally don’t think he worth a #1 pick( as of know)..I think he is a first round pick. I’m waiting to see how he preforms in the combine..

      • Brody Hall

        So thats the big knock on Geno is his bowl game? Im not jumping ur ass by any means. I just for real am trying to figure out the other side of the argument lol.

        • cyberry

          Some have said..his stats are padded by 10 yards passes to high caliber receivers who take it 60 yards etc.. I say thats..BS. You can say the same for Joe Montana. That’s one of my favorite qualities of Geno. He puts the ball, with the right touch and the receiver in stride. It’s not that easy..Cassel can’t seem to do it…I think Geno is the best QB in this years draft…Now..I personally like Tajh Boyd..but he stayed in school. So if Reid thinks he can turn Geno into a top tier QB..I’M ALL IN!!..People can get on here..be hate-full and smart-ass..just because someone else has a different opinion or sees things from a different angle but it really doesn’t matter..lol..because we all have no say nor vote. Most the time..we are all wrong anyway..

  • Jim Harper

    Here’s a different way to look at it Nathan. Let’s pretend a little. We draft a top rated LT named Brandon Albert who is an absolute can’t miss. And because we made such a great first pick, the league gave us another first pick where we take Geno Smith. Then we get yet another first round pick with the best wide receiver in the draft named Dwyane Bowe. Now who could find fault with a draft like that? And we did not have to give up any picks to get them.

    • Chiefswatch

      LOL that makes too much sense.

  • Ryan Beadle

    It scares me to pass on Geno and then him become a pro-bowl caliber qb

    • Chiefswatch

      Yea and for the Raiders, because they will not pass on him.

      • cyberry

        I don’t see how the Raiders can, with the wasted draft picks(1st and 2nd) on Palmer then 3th round on Pryor(who they seem to like)..Plus with talks on cutting Seymour (another 1st rd), Rolando McClain(another 1st rd)Tommy Kelly and maybe Darrius Heyward-Bay(another 1st rd) ..also 6 years after arguably the biggest draft bust in history..J. Russel (#1 pick)..The new regime needs a safe..non-reach pick..if they are cutting players as been reported (especially Seymour)..they need Star at DT..and allow Pryor to develop..The Raiders have made WAY too many misses…The team personally think the Chiefs need to worry about taking Geno if they trade down is Arizona..but the combine can change all that…

  • Jacob Monteer

    Bramwell, I am convinced you are a product of your environment. I understand your point, and thats been the ongoing theme for 30 years. I know its scary trying something new. Screw this “safe pick” left tackle. Lets swing for the fences. Don’t be scared of destiny. Don’t let Kiper own you. We want a franchise QB now! No stone unturned until we find the next Len Dawson. If we still suck, we’ll just draft Johny Football next year. At this point I can live with busting on a pick, but not being a pu$$y.

    • Chiefswatch

      So true man. You would think our own history would be enough to kind of illustrate that not drafting one is just as bad as drafting a bust.

  • andyred

    I say resign Bowe, Albert, and colquitt. sign lofa tatupu for depth. for mlb. Draft Dee milliner with the #1 pick, (which fills our cb need, not to mention the best cb in the draft) then trade back into the first round to get Tyler Wilson. With his athletic ability, strong arm, and it factor. Along with Andy Reid as the coach, well be in the playoffs within the year!

  • Spencer

    So basically this article is saying I am scared of having a 1st overall bust QB, so we draft Joekel who could very well bust himself, and draft a WORSE QB later in the 1st rnd, who probably has a HIGHER chance to bust because he is WORSE then the best possible QB…???? oh and not to mention we have a Top 5 LT in this league????the 2 years before this year he was top 5 ea year in YPC when running to his side….this year…our offense consisted of Charles….Charles….and oh Charles…there was no Pass threat…our offensive line in the middle had an aged LG who never played C in his career before playing C, and a rookie LG and sophomore RG….basically meaning we aren’t going to do so hot going up the middle so really it was jsut Charles outside left or Right…point being how is he supposed to run to the outside with 8 men in the box and the saftys up and and everyone just looking to stop the run to the outside????

    Pass protection Albest was top in the league this year and last….Run blocking before this year (where our entire offense was run to the oustide) he was a top 5 (1st in 2011-2012 season) in YPC t his side WITHOUT Charles….we have a top 5 LT…so you want to get a Worse LT…who could turn out like Jake Long and have his best year be his rookie year then get hurt over and over again,you could be like Gallary or Smith (just released by the Jets after being traded by the Rams) or maybe be like Clady,Albert, Thomas….lol, makes no sense

    Not drafting a position because they might be a bust is insane…anyone can be a bust,drafting a LT in hope of replacing a top 5 LT of which you can re-sign is insane….not drafting the best QB availble because he could be a bust 1st overall then trading back into the 1st rnd to get what will likely be a worse Qb (higher chance of busting probably) so we get the QB of which is our greatest need on the team later makes no sense….

    Nathan…it isn’t that everyone just doesn’t like you (i hope all of this negative feedback on your post doesn’t hurt you in anyway-emotionally or psycholically) but the Chiefs deserve to draft the best QB available 1st overall, the fan base deserves it…the TEAM deserves to have a good QB for once…we need a 1st rnd caliber QB, Geno is still ranked by most at least a top 15 player coming into the draft…last i heard QB is considered more valuable then any position in the NFL by far….who would trade Flacco for Revis???? who would trade Andrew Luck/RG3 for Joe Thomas??? Who would trade Eli Manning for Patrick Willis???….

    Point being, people that say a player isn’t worth a #1 overall pick because they are “ranked” only as a 20-15 overall Player and that player is the highest rated QB and that team needs the QB the most don’t know jock squat in my opinion….Dude he is the best QB available and we need a QB the MOST, by FAR FAR Away….god damn…people need to understand that a QB is twice as important as any position in football, the 5-10 best Qbs in the league our almost always worth the best player in any other position…the best QB in the league is price-less….

  • Michael Shaw

    Ok, let’s say the Chiefs don’t get Albert signed. THEN, and only then, should we draft Joekel. I am convinced the kid will be an HOFer, but I would rather have Albert. So now let’s say we are able to sign Albert. Then I am 100% for drafting Dee Milliner, CB Alabama. I don’t care what they do with the QB position during the offseason. I don’t want Geno drafted with #1. I am sure some team will take a chance on him in the first round, but I don’t think it should be the Chiefs. I personally think they will have a bonafide starter via a trade or free agency. I don’t see Nick Foles fitting in the new Philly coaches system and he is an Andy Reid guy. I also think Alex Smith or even Kevin Kolb might become available to us in some way. I say take Milliner at #1 to shore up our DB’s for years to come and then draft the best QB available with number 2 or budle some pics to move up and get one that they really want in the lower part of the first. Geno may be a great NFL………some day. I just think he needs to sit behind someone and learn before he is thrown into the NFL madness. I don’t think he can handle being THE GUY from day one.

    • chiefridgy

      Kevin glass kolb? No thanks

  • Chiefswatch

    Having a QB bust 1st overall or 34th overall is no difference. You act as if we are passing up on something vital to the team to select Geno but all you can point to drafting as an alternative is a f’n unproven tackle or some DT prospect because hell we could never draft enough of those in the top 5. This is such a flawed argument. Nevermind the fact you are exponentially increasing the chance of completely wasted pick by drafting whatever shitty talent will be sitting in the second round or late first round. As if the position at which you select the QBOTF will matter when it comes to the long term ramifications (See Ricky Stanzi, Brodie Croyle). Lastly this argument falls flat on it’s face when you think about the team that is selecting number one overall this year. So regardless of the Raiders taking Russel, Houston taking Carr, Arizona taking Leinart, Denver taking Tebow, NY selecting Sanchez…we are the team selecting Number one overall. You are so scared of setting the team back….when is the last time we won a playoff game? LOL Don’t want to ruin a good thing??? Makes absolutely no sense. You would think Seattle and Denver would kind of illustrate how bad one transaction really is when its a well run organization. Seattle brings in Matt Flynn for no reason at all in the end. Denver drafted Tebow who is not even on the team anymore and where are they now? It’s one pick dude. Just one in a draft where no glaring Chiefs hole can be filled with the talent available. In a year where drafting a QB number overall is not an issue money wise. If he sucks for two years who the hell cares, move on. If we don’t select Geno this year we are going to suck anyway. Then we draft whatever is available next year and spend a year with a rookie. Essentially guaranteeing that this and next year will be nothing special. Take the chance on Geno

    • cyberry

      This is where we differ…GM’s/coaches who pick QB’s with the # 1 pick , that become busts..lose jobs…The first pick of the draft is suppose to come in and contribute the following year..A second round QB can tutor for a year or two..Yes, it is one pick..(from a fan or owner..it’s just a pick)..For a GM..it can, and most likely be the defining pick..NFL…Not For Long..league…

  • Carl Peterson

    Only 4 of the last 22 QBs taken in the 2nd round were worth anything:

    Brees, Plummer, Kaepernick and Dalton.

    It’s a really stupid idea.

    • berttheclock

      It goes back a ways, but, Brett Favre was a 2nd round pick by Atlanta. GB gave up a Number 1 for him the very next year.

  • jimfromkcj

    It is mind boggleing to see the Chief’s fans who say they want respect and to have a winning team, but when you hear them, they seem to want to lay a lot of blame on the QB that they have been adamant for 4 years that he was a great QB if he just had a talented team around him. Well, how did that work out. guys like me were saying from the git go that Cassel wasn’t going to be any good, but we were speaking to deaf ears. Now a lot of the same guys who were not taken in by the Arrowhead koolaid are telling you once again that Geno is not likely the guy you think he is and you have suddenly gone deaf as a door knob. When you go through a season with only 2 wins and are not even competitive in the games you lost, it is not just the QB. It is the whole team. The defence’s excuse is that the offence kept them on the field too much, but that doesn’t square with the fact that most games were lost at the halftime, and some of the stats players were stacking up was junk, because the game was already lost. Charles runs for over 300 yards and we lose. Shouldn’t that ring a loud and clear signal that this team has holes like a sieve. With that #1 pick we should take the surest player who can start day one and be a long time starter. If it is LT and the pick is Joekel we should all be happy that the Chiefs did the smart thing.

  • berttheclock

    Good point about mentioning that move up by the Chiefs to take Albert at 15. But, in retrospect, what if the Chiefs had not taken Dorsey at 5, but, reached for Clady who went 12th? Then, that 17 pick which the Chiefs traded with Detroit in order to move up to 15 could have been used for Joe Flacco. Imagine a draft with Clady, Flacco and Charles. Yes, the defensive minded were screaming for Dorsey (In fact, even the Falcons’ fans were upset when Dimitroff took Matt Ryan instead of Dorsey)
    BTW, very few thought Flacco was going to be a Franchise QB.
    However, in a draft such as this which looks very much akin to that ’08 draft is one where any trading within the draft might be better used to pick up additional draft picks. So, trading down from Number 1, should any team want to move up might be the better deal.
    Good article in the Star, this AM, about Dorsey and Reid going to really spend as much time as possible evaluating QBs both in the draft and from other teams. Point made by Dorsey is the college QBs available in the draft all have flaws. Several of the QBs have had their moments to shine, but, most have had weak spells as well. So, which one will show up consistently in the NFL? The good or the bad?

  • berttheclock

    In your article, you might have mentioned one other thing about that move by the Browns to draft Quinn. They used their first pick in that draft to take Joe Thomas, the excellent left tackle.

  • GDL40

    Im sorry,but ……. this is TERRIBLE ! dsnt make wense at ALL !!!!

  • Andy

    We are stuck with the first pick. The only trading we will be able to do is after the first round. I think we pick up Foles with a third rounder, pick the best player with the first pick, a good safety/corner.should be available with the second pick. Who knows. One thing is for sure, we now have a real head coach, so I will trust him to do his job.

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