End The Drought, Draft Geno Smith Now! PART III of III

End The Drought, Draft Geno Smith Now! PART III of III*

To read PART I go here. PART II, here.

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Comparisons and Statistics

At the end of November 2012, Aaron Palinckx of examiner.com wrote an article called, Geno Smith Could Be Next Year’s Robert Griffin III of Fantasy Football in which he said,

Geno Smith has posted staggering statistics this college football season and has established himself as the number one QB in college football.

“Staggering statistics.” Think about all that Geno Smith has accomplished. Read, or watch, Lyle Graversen’s post Video: Geno Smith Is Worthy Of The #1 Pick. Lyle’s video grabs, written evidence and links are well researched and well worth re-reading. I certainly have.

When you compare Geno Smith to all other options inside and outside the draft (free agency) it appears that he’s the best and first and only option — for those who are “informed” about Kansas City’s range of choices. This is not to say the Chiefs won’t trade down to take a player more suited to the value they believe that player has. However, if that happens, Geno Smith won’t be there. Then, they’re back to square one… 30 years ago. Some fans believe the Chiefs will take a QB later in the draft but, it seems less and less likely the more you compare the available QB prospects.

I haven’t come across one other prospect option that was even close to being acceptable. True, I’m not an NFL level talent evaluator but, I’d challenge anyone to come up with evidence that shows that a specific prospect in this draft is noticeably better than any of the others… especially a QB.

Kaepernicking the QB Prospects

Yes, there’s this “keeping up with the Joneses” going on in the NFL. However, a trend that teams are hoping a QB will bring to the smorgasbord is the increased mobility that players like RGIII, Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are slamming on the table. The Kaepernick effect is not so much about QB escapability as it is a QBs resourceful expression that creates positive yardage — at will. Tyler Wilson’s had -44 yards rushing in his college career. Matt Barkley had -113 rushing yards. Geno Smith had +342 yards rushing. No, none of these QBs fully embody the Kaepernick effect but, its obvious Geno Smith is your man when it comes to making positive yards out of nothing, when necessary. He has, at times, been criticized for his footwork in the pocket but, it’s his foot speed that separates him from this year’s other QB prospects and his overall agility is clearly better than Wilson’s or Barkley’s. Geno’s 342 yards comes mostly because of his superior ability to feel pressure in the pocket while keeping his eyes down field and then turning up field when his passing options close.

As a point of reference, Colin Kaepernick rushed for more than 4,000 yards in his college career (and had more than 10,000 yards passing). It’s a wonder that Kaepernick sat on the bench for as long as he has in Frisco.

The Good, the Bad and the Not So Ugly

Some have criticized Geno Smith for fading when facing higher quality opponents. It may be more true that his defense gave away those games. Smith’s lowest QB Ratings this season were 101.0, 101.2 and 114.3. At the other end of the spectrum… he  had QBR game highs of 248.0 and 271.2. By contrast, the Chiefs had only two games in which their QBR was higher than 100 during the 2012 season. Geno Smith could make the Chiefs “plug-and-play” better. By plugging him in at QB the whole team immediately gets better and so does the Chiefs record.

The Ego Hurdle
One of the hurdles to Geno Smith being chosen #1 is the possible over-confidence of Andy Reid. If John Dorsey tells Reid that 2 or 3 top prospects are too close to call and he’s convinced by Andy Reid that Reid and his coaching staff can train any dog (QB) in the circus… then Chiefs fans will be in Siberia once again: on the outside of the first round QB club looking in on a very cold day in January (when the playoffs take place).

The Subterfuge

Don’t get too carried away swallowing everything that you hear Andy Reid, John Dorsey and Clark Hunt are shoveling right now. What matters is what they actually do, 13 short weeks from now. Besides, each of their recent statements should not be viewed as a smoking gun, but more as a smoke screen.

It’s job #1, for HRD (Hunt, Reid & Dorsey) to sandbag. Sandbagging, its a term used in many areas of competition referring to someone who is deliberately deceptive so as to not give an advantage to an opponent. You don’t want HRD giving away the Chiefs future intentions with so much at stake do you? I don’t. So… it’s their job to give us misinformation. Besides, they may not even know what they’re going to do yet. Even if they did know, we all know people whose wedding plans changed the week before the wedding. Which is another reason why fans should let HRD know who they want most.

At this point, HRD’s obligatory statements to the public will be: our goal is turning the organization around to produce wins by taking the best player available (BPA). They also say this so they can claim later, when they’ve chosen a QB, that they indeed did choose the BPA.

“Winning games”… it has to be there official missionary-position-statement. However, to do that, they know they must pleasure the masses by working in some other positions… kind of like the position called… “The Ram” (p. 144 of The Modern Karma Sutra). Most fans will agree that, HRD inserting Geno behind center will be –> hitting the G-spot.

“G” is for Geno of course.

If Hunt, Reid & Dorsey, don’t address the QB position firstly and primarily, by taking the BQBA (Best QB Available), then their definition of “W-I-N-N-I-N-G,” to quote the infamous Mister Sheen, will cause some ongoing Anger Management issues with Chiefs congregants.

The Precedence

Andy Reid has a track record of taking a QB without anyone knowing he’s going to do that. When Reid chose Donovan McNabb 2nd in the 1999 draft and all the Philly fans at Madison Square Garden booed, it’s because there were still other, notable college prospects, like Ricky Williams (who everyone thought was the second coming of Earl Campbell at the time), still on the board.

John Dorsey was director of college scouting with the Packers when they selected Aaron Rodgers in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft. The Packers may not have taken him until pick #24 but, it does make you question if the Pack had the first pick that year just what they would have done. Nevertheless, choosing a first round QB was part and parcel, due to John Dorsey. Plus, OL Logan Mankins, TE Heather Miller and WR Roddy White where first round selections still on the board at that point and each of them turned out to be great players.

The End of the Worst Season in Chiefs History

Near the end of the season ProFootballTalk (PFT) ranked the Chiefs the 32nd best team in the league out of 32 (instead, why couldn’t they just say the Chiefs were the #1… worst team… it somehow sounds better to me than 32nd best out of 32). PFT said of the Chiefs:

“Chiefs: Losing without flair makes losing a lot worse.”

Out of all of the prospects talked about who could possibly be drafted at #1 by the Chiefs, who has the greatest ability to bring “flair” to the Chiefs line-up? OT Joeckel? LB Jarvis Jones? DL Mr. Lotulelei? I don’t see any of those players bringing the Chiefs closer to a playoff victory in the near future… but I think Geno Smith can do that. Geno Smith has the upside that would allow him to lead the Chiefs to a Super Bowl… someday but, these other prospects don’t offer that kind of potential.

The Super Prescription

Chiefs fans are not blind to the fact that only one team wins the Super Bowl each year. We’re not asking for a one year turnaround and then expect to win it all by the end of 2013. That, of course, doesn’t mean we don’t want to win, because we do but, it also means that we at least — at minimum — want  our team to be entertaining and exciting and flash once in awhile (the minimum should be some occasional Vermeil-esk magic). We especially don’t want to become nationally recognized for the Chiefs not holding a lead in any game for major chunks of our children’s lives.  2B boring + a loser = no fun.

Most Chiefs fans I talk to are not afraid for the Chiefs to make the same kind of mistake Jacksonville made with Blaine Gabbert two years ago. One of the reasons is… look where that got them: back in the position to draft another top flight QB. Fans are likely more concerned that the Chiefs won’t take the biggest risk of all, the risk of attempting to draft a player to play the most critical position in any sport on the planet.

I think Chiefs fans would rather draft another Todd Blackledge who they think could be great before they want to see another Steve Bono traded for, who will in all likelihood turn out to be another Matt Cassel. By going for Geno Smith at least fans would see that their Kansas City Chiefs… are going for it. You can’t win the game, unless you’re in it. Here’s hoping John and Andy have the Cajones to pull it off.

There are so many reasons why this should, and will get done. If you want to get into more specifics about why Geno Smith is a QB Beast go here. In the meantime, I’m stating my preference to end the drought by drafting Geno now! Nothing else seems as reasonable.

The Campaign

What I’m doing here is politically campaigning for the Kansas City Chiefs to go for broke this year and take the highest rated QB available with the first pick in this draft, Geno Smith.

This past year, fans who were motivated to “Save Our Chiefs” had a positive impact upon helping to bring about the transition from Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel to John Dorsey and Andy Reid. A “Black Out” day at Arrowhead for which Chiefs fans wore black t-shirts, although not universal in it’s support, made an impression. So did the airplane messages flying over games at Arrowhead: “Save Our Chiefs.”

We need no less of a campaign now. We need fans to get behind the ideal of drafting a top notch QB like Geno Smith first in this draft. Fans with a cause make a difference. It’s time for Chiefs fans everywhere to stand up again and be counted: to have OUR voices heard, in mass, when it comes to who the Chiefs will draft first come April 25th.

Sounding Off

Let Clark Hunt hear you right now!

What has it meant to you to not have the organization going all out to make sure it has a franchise QB?

What would it mean to you to have the Chiefs select the best QB in this draft on April 25th?

Go Chiefs Go!

 

*Arrowhead Addict does not take an official position on who the Kansas City Chiefs should select in the 2013 NFL draft

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  • Outback Chief

    I think the chiefs will sign a veteran QB I think they will trade down if there are any offers and I think they will try to draft a QB by pick 34 but they want a veteran to get out of the cellar as fast as possible , that’s the Hunt way and it always will be.

    • Justin R Groth

      But who will they sign?

      • Outback Chief

        It wouldn’t surprise me to see Matt Moore,Derek Anderson,or even Chase Daniel in here for workouts and maybe even a trade for Alex Smith

        • Justin R Groth

          With those names we are just starting the equation all over again. Get a underwhelming qb to come in parade him as a franchise QB even though he couldn’t cut it in his original home as “the guy”. Matt Moore buckled under pressure with the panthers and is a great back up qb to have on the team. Derek Anderson is Brady Quinn is Matt Cassel is Matt Flynn is Kevin Kolb etc. Alex smith would need to be traded for not to mention his pre-Harbaugh days were less then stellar in fact if I remember correct Cassel was doing better than him. You got me on chase Daniel I know nothing about him. I apologize if I come off as offensive that is not my purpose only to point out fears of dealing with another Cassel. I would much rather see the best QB who is ranked high enough by the “Experts” to go 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 but not 1, come to the chiefs and either sink or swim. I will agree with you about Moore as a back up role however.

          • KCMikeG

            We don’t need to waste any time talking about a veteran FA QB coming in as they aren’t better than what we have and Cassel has 2 years left on his contract and Reid is going to try to fix him at least enough to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick out of him like he did three times in Philly.

          • Outback Chief

            I’m just as tired as everyone else with the QB’s I’ve seen come through here and no offense taken I just haven’t seen anything different than the status quo in all my years as a Chiefs fan but if they think outside the box for once I’m all for it

        • superman_25_58

          How are any of these guys better than Geno Smith? These guys have tried and failed for the most part and Geno hasn’t had a chance. So I would rather try for Geno who we still have a chance in winning with, than pick up any of these sCRAPS. Alex Smith I don’t have a problem with but I would still like to draft Geno #1 and learn him behind Alex so he can take over in mid-season and put us in the superbowl!

        • Darkwolf1414

          Those QBs, aside from possibly Alex Smith, wouldn’t get the Chiefs up step 1 out of the cellar. I can appreciate your logic on “the Hunt way”, though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.aldridge.73 Jonathan Aldridge

    Great finisher. Loved every part of it. My only question is what can we do to get our voices heard?

    • ladner morse

      I’m trying to talk Patrick into starting a dedicated page just for communicating with Clark… called something like… “Love Letters to the Son of Lamar”

      It may depend on how many people we get to respond here first.

      • Darkwolf1414

        With the line break, my mind went somewhere else with “Love Letters to the Son of. . .” I’m in with whatever you guys do to try to get Geno in Chiefs’ red!

      • KCMikeG

        Let’s get after this from multiple angles. I just went to KCChiefs.com, and I would encourage everyone else to do so also, and clicked on the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page and posted the following:
        WHAT QUESTIONS NEED ANSWERED STILL ON WHETHER WE PICK GENO SMITH AT #1?

        Three years of ascending play. His TD’s increased by 20-30% each year while his In’s were stable at 7 or fell to 6 in 2012. He has a greater body of work than RGIII when comparing passing which is ALL that matters in the NFL. Just ask the Skins after spending 3 first round picks and a 2nd for a guy who they may not even get one whole season out of because of his running emphasis.

  • Ron White

    Way to bring it home Laddner…. Between you and Lyle I can’t believe anyone would not be convinced that this is the right choice. Of course there are some that are not on board with Geno. Funny thing is the evidence way in favor of Geno being successful when you compare his stats to not only the others in this draft but the others in previous drafts. Last year’s draft class is tainting this years class significantly but in reality Geno’s stat’s are clearly in the same class. So the only thing that people can be judging him on is his tangibles. While there are some who say he will be a bust it is just opinions based on things other than skill set. The evidence says he has a very good chance for success. In my book that is more than enough to pull the trigger and start us down the road to success.

    • ladner morse

      Well said Ron, well said.

      Yes… I want them to pick Geno first not only because I believe he is the best QB but… also to get this bad taste out of our mouths about not picking a 1st round QB since 83.

    • Michael Shaw

      I think you missed a key statement in this article. Geno put up these number and QBR’s against lesser opponents and couldn’t put enough points on the board to make up for his inept defense. Most of the guys referenced put up point in spite of their defense giving up leads, in the NFL at least. So the biggest question for me is, CAN GENO PUT UP MORE POINTS THAN THE DEFENSE GIVES UP??? If you look at the K-State game and even the Bowl game, he could not. Now in my defense, those were the only two I saw, but they weren’t the only two WVU lost. They were 7-6, whereas the Collin Klein led K-State Wildcats were 11-2. Stat comparison to follow.

      • ladner morse

        I’ll bet Washington fans are pretty glad they got RGIII even though Baylor finished 7-6 in 2010. He may have been 10-3 his last year but, no one is blaming him alone for that one bad year for the team.

        BTW… Illinois beat Baylor 38-14 and RGIII only put up 14 points (???) against them in their bowl game.

        Isolating only a few statistics doesn’t always give one the broadest view.

        • Michael Shaw

          Sorry, I posted stats WAY after this posting. The Redskins were so confident in RGIII’s ability they drafted Kirk Cousins in the same draft and based on the knee injury RGIII suffered, two or three times this year, they may have been right. You also forgot to mention that RGIII was 4-8 his first two years at Baylor, his second year I believe is when he originally injured his knee right? RGIII may have tons of talent, but if he keeps getting injured, ala Michael Vick, the best move Washington may have done last year in the draft was drafting Kirk Cousins. Sorry Ladner, I am not doubting the stats per say that you are using as reasoning to draft Geno. I am trying to bring the other side or option of drafting someone that might be more a #1 pick overall candidate than Geno. I know there are no more experts in the media than I am, but some of those guys have been dead right about too many players not to listen so far and the consensus is that the Chiefs won’t pick Geno #1 unless he improves his stature at the combine and WVU’s pro day. If he does that then I will jump on your band wagon in a heartbeat!!!! I promise!!

          • superman_25_58

            Ok so what does RG3 getting injured have to do with Geno Smith. If you are insinuating that he is a runner like RG3 than you are wrong he is a pocket passer. Geno’s football style is more like Luck, Big Ben, McNabb “but with less running”

          • Darkwolf1414

            I read that you, like I, have been pulling out the stats to support Geno Smith’s case for the #1 overall pick. Nice to see someone else bringing the numbers, too. Add in the film showing his arm, touch, pocket awareness, etc. I don’t see why people think there is a better pick than the best player (Geno) at the most important position (QB) at #1!

          • superman_25_58

            Ya people say stats doesn’t mean anything so if they throw out the stats Geno is still the better talent with his Athletic ability, soft touch throws/bullet passes, Accurately thrown balls in the pocket and on the run. Has a strong arm and puts the ball where his recievers can catch it with room to run ………. Ya this is the Qb I want.

        • KCMikeG

          How about the 49 points, and still lost, he put up against a ranked Oklahoma team? No one is perfect. Everyone has a bad game on occasion. Look at the entire body of work not just a minor flaw in the finish.

      • Justin R Groth

        Problem is he shouldn’t have to score EVERY drive. Also even if you make it through a game without a single punt you can still lose, just as Trent Green. His D required him to make miraculous wins, not once or twice but, every game of the year.

  • Daniel Mayfield

    You are right about some fans thinking he’s not worth it because he had a few bad games. But I’m just like you! I tell them….don’t watch the games, READ THE NUMBERS! They don’t understand what this man is worth!
    He’s got good foot work. Most of it is to buy time for receivers to get open. If they don’t get open, then he’s running for yards. He’s like McNabb or Big Ben! He would rather find the open receiver before running on his own. He can escape sacks, like Ben and McNabb. He’s got good accuracy on the run. If Reid is so good with QBs, he can even make him better
    He’s the right QB for KC. If they skip him, it’s another BIG MISTAKE!

    • Kyle ferguson

      I disagree watching the game is way more important than looking at numbers, how many yards did geno get credit for that are actually Austin putting up big numbers after the catch, numbers don’t show off his big arm and his great accuracy, look at Matt’s 2010 numbers and tell me what you think of him

      • ladner morse

        It’s an interesting question: is watching the game tape more important or watching the stats more important?

        Some call it the “Eyeball Test” but, if you only trust what you’re eyes are seeing… well… it’s like saying the “eye witness” is the most important piece of evidence in a murder trial. Or would you really be willing to trust the physical evidence more (stats)? If you trust one more than the other you may be setting yourself up for a fall and then someone ends up in jail (the fans) who shouldn’t be there at all.

        That’s why we do both. In any event its a totally fallible process.

  • Justin R Groth

    Thank you ladner. Now wait for some one to say how he isn’t worth a number one pick but not back it up with evidence.

    • ladner morse

      Yep, we get that a lot.

  • ArrowFan

    There is no veteran FA that will come in here and get it done. If so we could only expect a few years. The best choice is to draft the BQBA in the class with #1. All evidence points to Geno. What NFL QB can win games with out a D? In the late 90′s we had the best O in the game, how many super bowls did that get us? Draft Geno end the drought, if he busts then we will do it again just like Jacksonville is going to do if we don’t pick Geno. I say they even get Willison.

    • micah stephenson

      O fo sure. Geno and Wilson go 1 two. No doubt in my mind at all period. Geno will go one and Wilson 2.

  • Michael Shaw

    Here are some stats from Klein and Smith’s team websites. I figured the totals. Keep in mind Klein has 1 year less as a starter.

    CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT

    Smith 988 1465 11662 66.8 7.55 87 98 21 78 145.5

    Klein 369 603 4699 61.1 7.73 68 30 15 62 139.5

    These are the career averages of both Geno Smith and Collin Klein, Klein as I said has 1 year less under his belt. The biggest thing that stands out to me is the TD to INT ratio, which goes in favor of Geno. However it looks as though Klein is harder to take down than Smith as he has been sacked less than Geno. I am also noting that someone posted stats for Geno saying he was a career completion percentage of 70%, which is completely not the case. Geno has a career completion percentage of 66.8% and Collin has 61.1. While some of Geno’s career stats are way higher than Klein’s, I still have to question as to whether some of Geno’s stats might have come in the end of games they are behind in. So how can we really judge some of his stats based on the fact that they come in what most people would consider junk time?

    I am sorry for being skeptical, but Klein IMO is not worth a #1 pick and his stats aren’t nearly as far off, in regards to completion % and games won, from Geno. Geno was 26-13 from 2010-2012 and Collin was 28-11 in that same time frame. Make no mistake I am NOT clamoring for us to draft Klein, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they grabbed him with the #34 pick to have a “local” guy running the team since he and Geno don’t seem to be that far off, except in TD-INT ratio, yards and comp/att. I have not gotten into Wilson’s data, but I will later to compare it to Geno’s. Mostly for my own information, but thought I would bore everyone as well. LOL!

    • john woodley

      Klein will be in canada playing geno nfl,they are not even close!

    • Justin R Groth

      Geno has good mechanics, plays smart and good ARM strength, and accuracy. He plays like a pro Qb where as Klein is Tebow 2.0

    • Jim Harper

      Michael, I often agree with you, but your thinking here is flawed. You don’t pad stats when you are constantly playing from behind. On the contrary your job gets harder because your opponent knows you have to throw and their defense can pin their ears back and rush the QB. Secondly while watching the NFL network today(I’m retired and that is pretty much all I have to do), and Klein has gone on record that he will only go to the NFL as a QB. Consequently the general consensus was he won ‘t get drafted. He is just another Tebow type player. They asked him to play receiver at the senior bowl and he declined.

      • KCMikeG

        Nice post. Right on the head.

    • Ron White

      I am sorry but your argument against Geno as a #1 pick by using Colin Klien while locally relevant does not really make a case. I really liked watching Colin play but their comparisons end with the fact they are both QB’s. Geno can readily play in a pro style offense with his skill set but I am not so sure about Colin. Keep in mind that most of K-States wins came because the defense kept them in the game and Colin made big runs when they needed them. Throw in a few key throws and there is the K-State formula for winning. Don’t see that formula working in the NFL.

    • superman_25_58

      Geno Smith’s career comp% is 67.4% not 66.8%. This is what Geno faced in K-State 45th total defensive rank in ncaa – Tied for 12th in passes intercepted – 82nd ranked passing D – 20th ranked rushing defense – Tied for 31st in sacks – 15th in sacks allowed (this is O-line) – 28th in scoring D.
      This is what Klein faced in WV – 108 total ranked defense in ncaa – Tied for 75th in passes intercepted – 118th ranked passing D – 60th ranked rushing D – ranked 75th in sacks – ranked 49th in sacks allowed (O-line) – finally 114th ranked scoring D.
      So I hate to tell you and everyone else, but every game Geno Smith Played he was behind before he even took a step on the field on game days. He was under constant pressure due to his O-line in dang near every game, and had a defense that prolly couldn’t stop the school of the blind….. Just sayin

      • ladner morse

        Lovin’ your posts these days Scott!

        • superman_25_58

          Lol thanks Ladner, I just love reading the articles you and others put out so guys like me who Lives, Loves, Eats, Drinks, Breathes CHIEFS football can voice our opinions wether it has any effect or not lol

          • KCMikeG

            I 2nd that motion! Thanks Ladner!

          • ladner morse

            A BIG thanks to you too Michael!

          • ladner morse

            Wow… thanks!

      • Danny W

        I watched him play one school and the guy was constantly getting hit. Secure this guy an O line and watch out.

      • KCMikeG

        Thanks Scott! Nice work! Facts are so cool!

      • Michael Shaw

        Good catch Scott. I averaged it out over his four years instead of doing it the right way by dividing his completions by attempts. Sorry.

        • superman_25_58

          Lol o it’s not a problem there isn’t a right or wrong answer on opinions just wanted to express the other side of it when people say Geno didn’t play good defenses bc that is false.

    • Darkwolf1414

      I think where you saw Geno had a 71.2% completion percentage might have been from me. That was this year, not his career. I compared Luck and Geno’s senior years with RGIII’s junior year. A QB, or any player for that matter, should get better from year to year. Whether in college or, at least the 1st half of, an NFL career if a player just stays the same then he’s not getting better and helping your team. A player who is not “ascending” as Dick Vermeil liked to say is a player that you start looking to replace. Almost every stat went up for Geno Smith from his junior to senior seasons. Completions, comp % and TDs all went up while INTs and sacks went down.
      Will he be a world beater right out of the box? Possibly not, but he has the skill set, attitude and ability to get even better than he already is. I think he’s the best player at the most important position on the field AND the position we NEED the most.

  • Calchiefsfan

    One of the knocks I’ve been hearing about Geno is that he can’t lead a comeback in the fourth quarter. Yet he did just that against a highly ranked Texas team and also against number 13th ranked Oklahoma. Granted Oklahoma’s defense was atrocious that day, (maybe because of Geno and Austin). The only problem was West Virginia’s defense kept giving the game back to the opposition. Geno kept bringing them back though. So he can lead comeback drives. They did eventually loose to Oklahoma and Landry Jones. Maybe Geno with the first pick and Jones in the third if he’s still on the board then.

    Am I the only one at AA that likes Landry Jones? I’ve been watching a lot of tape on the QB prospects. Geno is clearly #1 but I like Jones. I like the idea of covering yourself like Washington did with Griffin and Cousins.

    • Michael Shaw

      Nope. I like him and Klein as well. Personally, IMO of course, the three of them seem close enough to me that picking any of them #1 overall would be reaching and I really don’t want to do that. If this was like last year when Luck and RGIII were coming out, then, at least, there were at least two clear cut #1 picks overall. Those teams had their pick of either. Since there really isn’t that caliber of QB in this draft, from my perspective alone, I just would rather take a player that would look to be rated higher for the #1 pick than Geno. I am not saying the guy is the next JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf or Todd Blackledge, but……………..guess I am just gun shy after the Dorsey, Jackson and Poe picks!

      • Justin R Groth

        I’m not saying Geno is RG3 but as a pure passer I’m having a real hard time seeing how Geno isnt worth pick #1.

      • Jim Harper

        That makes two of you. Rock on boys!

      • superman_25_58

        For one TOTALLY DIFFERENT RENGME. This explains it, anyone who thinks Klein is anywhere near the class of Geno or Tyler has no clue. Klein is Tebow in disguise. They can run but throws like crap.

      • Darkwolf1414

        You need to STOP listening to the pundits and regurgitating their drivel. Also, Dorsey and Jackson are pretty good as far as 3-4 DEs go if you follow Pro Football Focus. Dorsey was drafted to play DT in a 4-3 and has transitioned pretty well to a 3-4 DE. 3-4 DEs aren’t supposed to be getting double digit sacks every season. Having said that, would I have drafted a 5 technique with the 3rd overall pick in 2009? Uh, HELL NO! I was stunned when they did it. The verdict is still out on Poe. He started playing better and being more disruptive later in the season. I think his athleticism will start to show out more in year 2.

        I can understand being gun shy on drafting another DL with a 1st round pick but we’re on the other end of the spectrum here with a QB, man.

    • KCMikeG

      Right there with you. I have suggested that combo repeatedly. Skins were brilliant to insure the most important position.

      • ladner morse

        I was originally shocked by the pick… but it turned out pretty dang good for them by doing that.

        • KCMikeG

          I like Geno and Manuel too.

    • ladner morse

      I’d rather go … Geno and EJ Manuel.

  • micah stephenson

    I think we should get 50,000-80,000 fans to show up at Arrowhead for the draft party chanting GENO GENO GENO! I think that might scare them into thinking we better not draft anyone except Geno.

    • ladner morse

      I’m Game for sure. I also think we need something like an airplane massage or maybe we can go the blimp route…… or maybe an endearing web site that goes viral (like someone could pretend to be a top draft prospect’s fake girlfriend — uh — never mind)… or a maybe we could get Jason Whitlock to call King Carl for us to see is he still has any pull with Clark… or …….. God someone please save me from myself because I just brought up the Whitlock!!!!!!

      • KCMikeG

        airplane massage? does that have a happy landing then? I say let’s get this party started so we are ready to be heard April 25th. Can we organize this some way Ladner? Can we get the Fanside Network or AP spreading the word? Oh yeah & Shame on the Witless comment.

        • micah stephenson

          Well looks like we got 4 of us already. 79,996 more to go. Lol

          • Darkwolf1414

            I would LOVE to be there but I live over here on the left coast in Raider Nation. UGH!

        • ladner morse

          Michael… I’ll mention it again to Patrick. Sounds like a blast!

          • KCMikeG

            Thanks Ladner! I will look forward to doing what ever I can to spread the word. We could have a predraft party gathering outside to make sure they can hear us before they make that 1st critical pick.

    • Joe Myers

      im down lets organize it

    • KCMikeG

      We will be there “LOUD & PROUD” chanting with you Micah!

  • john woodley

    I’m all for taking geno #1 !, and from what I’ve seen at senior bowl practice (no QB looks like they are ready to carry a team anywhere) the demand for geno will take a huge jump after his pro day and combine.there has to be something said when you are so much better then the other players at your position ! (Best player available)

    • Outback Chief

      I would like to see them draft Geno and sign a veteran like Chase Daniel or Derek Anderson because those boys can play and know how to prepare for a game , it would be a definite competition not the junk we had to watch the last few years

  • Jim Harper

    Great post Laddie! I am completely on board with you. Like you said if Geno is not the best player available then who is and will he be able to turn us into a Super Bowl team. I don’t see anyone like that out there.

  • Kyle ferguson

    I hope Tyler Wilson steps up and gives geno a run for his money, I’m not saying I’d rather us draft him or he is better I’d just like to see that pressure put on geno to come out and show off his stuff, I also think we are putting to much stock in rushing yards look at the qbs that have won the Super Bowl recently, Drew, Eli, Rodgers, Payton, Brady, and Ben. I don’t know for sure but if I had to guess I’d say Rodgers is probably the only qb in the + I think it’s less being able to run when things break down and more being able to keep your eyes down the field and deliver an accurate ball on the run or with a defender breathing down your neck

  • http://www.facebook.com/colton.jensen.16 Colton Jensen

    Get geno, somehow get josh freeman, get manuel later rounds

  • Danny W

    Laddie
    This series has been the highlight of my Chiefs reading this months. Kudos Sir. My only beef with this your final piece is why would the Chiefs sand bag when they have the number one pick? They could draft whoever they wanted right now I do believe couldn’t they? Start working out a deal for G so he’s in on camp on time and could work with his teammates now instead of later. Why sandbag?

    • ladner morse

      “Washington traded its first-round and second-round selections in 2012,
      along with its first-round selections in 2013 and 2014, to St. Louis to
      receive St. Louis’ first-round selection in 2012.”

      So… would you give away the leverage to gain 3 extra HIGH picks in the draft if possible. I doubt it. So.. you don’t give away what you’re doing and if some other team who gets greedy for that first pick pops for the fee… you keep yourself in the best position possible to make that trade.

      • Danny W

        I could possibly see someone getting desperate for a Left Tackle like Chicago or someone but, I don’t think anyone is going to get what Washington gave for Bob. I guess it’s possible but would be surprised if we got trade down offers.

        • ladner morse

          Only in years in which there is an absolutely clear cut certified grade AAAA would a team ever come out early and say… this is who we’re going to take (see Matthew Stafford). All other years… team spokespeople will not divulge anything about who their pick will be. Consequently, every thing else is a ruse. “Ruse” as in… I tell you I would not think of selecting a Safety as high as the 5th pick in the draft… and then turn around and take a Safety with the 5th pick in the draft (see the 2010 draft).

          GMs and coaches’ ruse… is the sandbagging.

  • KCMikeG

    Nice post right up until the end. Come on Ladner! SOC influenced the firing of Pioli and RAC Seriously? That is ridiculous. Like they were going to be retained after a 2-14 season preceded by a 7-9. What happened to them had NOTHING to do with black shirts or banners. I challenge you to show me another team that had a losing season followed by a 2-14 humiliation with multiple coaching changes that kept their GM or HC. Credit where credit is due – Thanks Clark!

    • ladner morse

      Yes. Why is that so hard to swallow. If you think that an owner doesn’t… at least to some degree… keep his finger on the pulse of his fan base…. I’d say you’re wrong.

      So what you’re saying is… that there’s no way you could understand that Clark Hunt was aware of airplanes flying over Arrowhead with signs saying Save Our Chiefs or that he didn’t see fans showing up at the stadium wearing black shirts or that fans just weren’t even showing up at the stadium period? Although he repeatedly apologized to Chiefs fans for the Chiefs poor performance this season to one media outlet after another.

      I can connect those dots.. but if you can’t… we simply disagree.

      • KCMikeG

        Please connect these dots for me. Show me a case where any team has had a losing season, multiple coaching changes and a grand finale of a 2-14 season and the GM and HC were retained.

        Not saying Clark was unaware. I’m saying the results on the field sealed the deal not banners or black shirts. Clark didn’t need black shirts to tell him that we were frustrated and deserved an apology. Our humiliation was being covered by every single sports media source nearly daily as the season came to a close. He would have had to be deaf, dumb and blind to miss it. The biggest effect of the banners and black shirts was to divide the fan base.

  • Darkwolf1414

    I get what you’re talking about Geno not embodying the “Kaepernick effect”. However, Kaepernick is more of a running QB whereas Geno is a pocket QB who can scramble. That’s a great stat showing Geno with a positive rushing total in college and it works well comparing him to other pocket QBs. I’ve been posting Geno’s stats compared to Luck and RGIII for weeks now. How can people not see how he belongs in the same conversation? Unless Geno falls of the face of the earth at the combine; I will FREAK OUT if the Chiefs do not draft him #1 overall!

    • ladner morse

      I’m in freak out mode myself… the Chiefs just HAVE to pick Geno.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=647645645 Jordan Clark

    This is by far your best piece of the 3. Entertaining and actually brought in some facts. Even if they were a bit skewed to help prove your point. Great work.
    Im still sticking with Tyler Wilson as the man to draft though. You challenged someone to prove why that is the case? Challenge accepted. Stay tuned :-)

    • ladner morse

      I love it. Thank you. These kinds of challenges are usually fodder for the feeding frenzy. Can’t wait to hear your response.

      BTW… if you’d like to do a “Point-Counterpoint” for a special AA post with me… I’d be open to that. Let me know.

  • Justin R Groth

    ok slightly off topic but here are some players from the top 100 free agent http://nfltraderumors.co/top-50-2013-nfl-free-agents/

    first
    Top 5 OT
    Ryan
    Clady Den: Probably gets resigned
    Andre
    Smith Cin: RT
    Sebastian
    Vollmer NE: RT with injury problems
    rotated with Nate Solder 2011 season.
    Branden
    Albert KC: Hurt his back at end of 2012
    season.
    Will
    Beatty NYG: LT Most likely gets resigned

  • Justin R Groth

    Top 5 WR
    Name age Team Games Rec Yrds Avg Yrds/G Long TD 20+ 40+ 1st downs
    Greg
    Jennings 29 GB: 96 425 6537 15.4 68.1 86 53 97 33 287
    Dwayne
    Bowe 28 KC: 88 415 5728 13.8 65.1 75 36 82 12 286
    Wes
    Welker 31 NE: 140 768 8580 11.2 61.3 99 38 86 13 442
    Make
    Wallace 26 PIT: 63 235 4042 17.2 64.2 95 32 67 27 163
    Danny Amendola 27 STL:
    42 196 1726 8.8 41.1 56 7 8 2 96

    These are career stats.

  • Justin R Groth

    Top 4 CB
    Brent Grimes ATL
    Aqib Talib NE
    Chris Houston Det
    Leodis McKelvin Buf

  • Justin R Groth

    Top 4 G
    Andy Levitre Buf
    Louis Vasquez SD
    Donald Thomas* NE
    Brandon Moore* NYJ

    (* represent under top 50)

  • Justin R Groth

    Top 3 ILB**
    Brian Urlacher CHI
    Dannell Ellerbe BAL- Most likely resigned esp. with Lewis
    retiring.
    Ray Maualuga CIN- 5th year in league MLB in 4-3
    system.(** indicate that none of the players were in top 50)

  • Justin R Groth

    Top 5 QB
    Joe Flacco BAL- Most likely resigned or Franchised
    Matt Moore* MIA
    Jason Campbell* CHI

    (* = Not in top 50)
    Theses were the only three QBs in the top 100, and I think we can agree that Flacco is going to be back in Baltimore next year

  • Justin R Groth

    Sorry I took up so much space however I believe these to be positions of interest for the Chiefs during the off season. I figure we could maybe talk about some of these players when talking about the draft or free agency
    .

  • Don417

    The Geno is awful. Taking a bust at #1 is just stupid. College numbers dont mean jacksquat in the NFL.
    You wanna watch garbage for the next 3 yrs then draft Geno. That’s all you’ll get.

    a top notch QB like Geno Smith
    lol, this guy must be high. Andew Luck was a top notch QB. Geno-bust couldn’t carry his jock. Get real.

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