Apr 26, 2012; New York, NY, USA; NFL commissioner Roger Goodell introduces defensive tackle Dontari Poe (Memphis) as the 11th overall pick by the Kansas City Chiefs in the 2012 NFL Draft at Radio City Music Hall. Mandatory Credit: James Lang-USA TODAY Sports

Dissecting Dorsey And His Draft Philosophy


Much has been made of new GM John Dorsey and his comments in last week’s press junket. In his introductory press conference, he said he would take the “best player available.” That sent a chill down the spine of Chiefs fans who are clamoring for West Virginia’s Geno Smith as their #1 draft pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. Dorsey went on to clarify:

“I know of no other philosophy but that,” Dorsey said. “We have been doing the same model and concept for the last 20 years. We have kind of refined that and tightened it up to where it is today. We started in 1992 … now we’re in 2013, and it’s a little bit tighter. Hopefully, I’d like to implement that type of similar system here within the Kansas City Chiefs.”

There’s no real way to know how this will play out on draft day, but the talking heads are now convinced that he’ll shy away from selecting a quarterback with the top pick. Geno Smith doesn’t appear to be the consensus #1 among draft circles (it’s still just January though). Reaching for a player to fill a need appears to be at odds with Dorsey’s draft ideology. I’m still not sure how revelatory Dorsey’s commentary really is though. How are we to know that Geno Smith isn’t already at the top of his early draft board? There’s also no reason for him to tip his hand and let the NFL world know which prospect(s) he’s high on.

John Dorsey’s draft strategy of choice is pretty straightforward. It’s a self-explanatory philosophy that seeks to draft the most talented player available (according to your draft board). The player’s position and the team’s needs are not accounted for under the “best player available” model. It can be a smart way to go about the draft for a team with few player personnel holes. This process, if done right, yields long-term success for a football team.

In Kansas City’s immediate future, it could prove to be problematic. I find it hard to believe that Dorsey (or any other general manager) would adhere to this philosophy in the strictest terms. That would create a surplus of talent at certain positions and leave the cupboard bare elsewhere. Kansas City’s most glaring need is unquestionably at the quarterback position. This team needs Geno Smith more than it needs Jarvis Jones.  The Chiefs have a rock solid core of talent, but that window is closing. Players like Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, and Brandon Flowers are all in their primes. Can the Chiefs really afford to squander their best years while the quarterback question remains unanswered?

So what can we expect when the lights go up on April 25th at Radio City Music Hall? John Dorsey’s never been the man in charge so one can only speculate. He says he’s a BPA purist and won’t stray from that philosophy in late-April. I’ll have to take him at his word until he proves otherwise. I can say that Ted Thompson and the Packers organization have clearly utilized a varied approach in drafts past. Green Bay traded up twice in the 2012 NFL Draft. That clearly isn’t a play out of the BPA playbook. Mind you, those trades secured defensive help (Jerel Worthy and Casey Hayward) for the league’s worst total defense the year prior. It’s tough to deny that there was at least some consideration of need on Thompson’s part.

The best draft philosophies observe need, player ranking, and value. Dorsey comes from an organization that seems to mind all three categories. If Dorsey’s past experiences inform his handling of Kansas City’s future drafts, this team should soon be a contender in the AFC. There will be a better overall talent pool at Arrowhead and a focus on addressing the team’s biggest problem areas. That pragmatic approach to the draft is what Chiefs Kingdom is looking for. Games in the 2012 post-season tournament have been won (and lost) on quarterback play. That fact is not lost on the Chiefs’ new brass. Owner Clark Hunt told the Kansas City media that the quarterback position needed attention. Keep that in mind over the next 12 weeks.

For those of you still riding the Geno Smith bandwagon, there is still time for him to make Dorsey’s job easier. With an impressive showing at either the Combine or WVU’s Pro Day, he should make his case as the consensus #1 pick. We’ll get a clearer picture once the free agency period starts. There’s some thought that the Chiefs could address the position that way.

What will happen in primetime on that Thursday night is anyone’s guess right now, but I have no reason to believe John Dorsey won’t give Smith a strong look over the next three months. It’s not time to panic, my friends. We’re still in the best position to change the fortunes of this football team for the next decade. Enjoy the Pro Bowl this weekend and we’ll square up again next Tuesday morning.

Until then, Addicts!

Tags: Kansas City Chiefs

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.aldridge.73 Jonathan Aldridge

    I disagree with his ‘draft best player available’ strategy. When you have such obvious needs like we do at QB, this strategy can’t apply. You have to take a gamble and go for the best player at the needed position.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      I like the idea, when it’s balanced by a consideration of what the team needs. I’m not suggesting you “reach” for a player, but I do think we clearly need to address QB above all else. If Dorsey has Smith ranked among the top ten players on his draft board, that’s exactly who he should pick. If not, I can live with a quarterback in the 2nd Round. I just hope he defers to Reid about which QB to choose.

    • http://www.arrowheadaddict.com Patrick Allen

      I feel like BPA available works great if you already have a franchise QB. It is all well and good to draft BPA and take Rogers when you have Favre.

      I think Dorsey is smart enough to know that his BPA strategy can include taking a QB when he knows the team needs one.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        BPA is a strategy I’d only use for a team that’s already well constructed. It helps you upgrade your talent pool. I don’t think it’s a bad strategy for the Chiefs (we are pretty well constructed), but we don’t have the centerpiece. I think we’ll get one this year in R1 or R2.

        • JLKC355

          Just remember the 2005 draft the 49ers got the best available player their need was QB in a weak QB class. If not for Jim saving Smith’s career it would look a lot worse as they passed on what is probably the best QB in the league. I prefer the way the Colts went about it in the 1997 and 1998 drafts BPA LT 1997 BPA QB 1998 not that there is a P.Manning coming next year but the QB class looks a little stronger in the next year or 2.

          • mattU

            Considering the 49ers passed on Aaron Rodgers in that draft, I’d say the fail was not in taking a QB, but in not actually getting the best one available. I remember lots of people were scratching their heads as to why they went with Smith over Rodgers. The knock on Rodgers was that his stats were inflated because of the system he played in…He was widely regarded a better physical talent than Smith. All the 2005 draft did was highlight that in weak QB classes, it’s paramount to get the pick right and land the best prospect.

          • JLKC355

            The year after a good/great QB class the push for the have-nots to go QB in the 1rd is always strong but if it doesn’t work out we waste 3-5 years. It’s happened over and over. Dorsey and Reid seem pretty well prepared for the choice I’ll back who they pick.

          • mattU

            Wasting 3-5 years may have been true in the past when the 1st pick meant a $50 or $60 million contract, but that’s not the case anymore. There’s a lot less money tied up in that pick now (Luck’s deal was like 4 years $22 million), which means there’s a lot less cap risk and impact of a bust. Put into perspective, Tyson Jackson is owed $14 million this year from his rookie deal being the #3 pick overall. Getting a franchise QB for $5-6 million/year is worth a substantial risk…Personally I think Geno, or even Tyler Wilson, would be worth that risk.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Any QB taken in the first round should be given 3 full years to develop. I do think the new CBA makes drafting a QB high less risky, but I wouldn’t change my level of expectation. Developing at the most important position on the field takes time.

          • mattU

            I agree QB should be given time to develop just like any other position. If you take a guy in the top 5, regardless position, he’s going to get more than a year or two to develop and prove himself (see Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson)…For God’s sake, even Ryan Sims stuck around in KC starting games for 4 years.

            Bottom line is if the Chiefs don’t find a solid QB, they’ll be wasting years anyway…I don’t think Smith or Wilson would be throwing away the pick…it’s a risk but a necessary one. To me, it’s less of a risk than the chance of getting the 4th QB off the board with pick #34 and thinking that’s going to be the guy. I don’t think you can throw away the 1st pick on a QB unless you’re the Raiders and ignore all reports that a player is a lazy bum and only care that he can throw the ball 60 yards off a knee.

          • ArrowFan

            Then draft one next year as well. In fact we should just draft the QB available with our first pick every year until we get a franchise one. Because not having one and having solid players beside the QB has just worked out so well.

      • jimfromkcj

        When the Pack drafted Rogers, it wasn’t because of need as they already had a HOF QB in Brett. So if you hire a GM because he has been successful, you don’t expect him to go into new territory, you expect him to continue doing what has succeeded for him. Best player after making an educated guess on your draft board. It seems you guys always fall in love with a couple of players every year. How has that turned out for you. When Clark picked these guys everyone seemed to think it was the second coming. So let them do what they do before you start bad mouthing them. I wasn’t too pleased with the picks to start with, but I will reserve final judgement after we see what happens on the field.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          Rodgers also had a ridiculous fall into the bottom-third of that round. When you’re picking 24th, you clearly don’t have a ton of glaring needs. They won the division the season prior. You can afford to take a guy who’ll be an incredible value there. This is a much different situation. We’re sitting at #1 and desperately need a QB. They took a QB when they already had a pretty good one in Favre. That tells you precisely how important they understand that position to be.

      • chiefridgy

        I agree…sometimes you have to go BNPA (best need player available)……

  • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.patterson.505 Shawn Patterson

    I’m all for the BPA approach, because it allows you to have surplus talent at all levels to handle the long grinding season. The last two seasons have been full of injured Chiefs with only second and third string talent to back them up. If the Chiefs don’t believe in Geno Smith this year there are other possibilities in the 2nd round like Tyler Wilson, Mike Glennon, or E.J. Manuel. Cincinnati has done pretty well with their 2nd round QB and I believe the Chiefs will be fine with this approach, if only for a year until a better prospect comes along. I just don’t want to waste the #1 pick on a Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Mark Sanchez, JaMarcus Russel, David Carr, Tim Couch, Matt Leinart, Joey Harrington…..I think I made my point….NEVER REACH FOR A QB WHEN A PERFECTLY GOOD ONE CAN FALL TO YOU…Tom Brady (199th overall)….just saying’

    • Stacy D. Smith

      There are never any guarantees, but quarterbacks taken in the first round account for 56% of all Super Bowl wins. Quarterbacks taken first overall account for a third of all Super Bowl wins. That’s reason enough to roll the dice. Geno Smith’s a better prospect than most everyone you named. I’m not for drafting Smith because he’s a QB. I believe he’s the “right” QB.

      • toperspective

        Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? The act of choosing a qb in the 1st round doesn’t have anything to do with the success of that qb…it’s the quality of the qb. If a qb isn’t a franchise qb, taking him as the 1st overall pick won’t make him one. Unfortunately this is a lousy year for qb’s. I’m fine letting Dorsey and Reid make that assessment. If they think Geno is a franchise qb, then they should take him. However, if they think he’s Gabbert, Weeden, Locker, Ponder, Sanchez, Russel. Quinn, Leinart, or Young, then go to plan B. The qb’s in the playoffs this year included two 2nd rounders, two 3rd rounders, a sixth rounder and two taken in the bottom half of the 1st round. 4 were taken at the top of the round. Geno is not close to the caliber or RGIII, Manning. Luck or Ryan.

        • toperspective

          Additionally, Wilson was 3rd round and Kaepernick was a 2nd rounder. They are both top 10 in the league and both are capable of winning a SB.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            How do we know that Wilson’s capable of winning the Super Bowl? He wasn’t capable of beating an Atlanta team that is now ALSO out of the post-season. We’ll find out in a few weeks if Kaepernick is capable. They’ve both played some great football for their respective squads though.

          • Chief Hokie

            Russell Wilson led a touchdown drive to take the lead with less than two minutes to go. Its not really his fault that the Seattle D let the Falcons drive down half the field and kick a field goal with like 30 seconds left. Wilson is a pretty clutch dude.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            No loss sticks to the QB alone. It was a team loss, but we have to evaluate the whole game. Certainly there were other negative plays he made that might’ve made a constructive difference had they gone another way. Furthermore, there would still have been another two games to play. I have no real issue with Wilson. He’s my choice for ROTY. I’m just saying that it’s a bit of a stretch (for me) to think he could’ve won the Super Bowl. We simply haven’t seen him in a situation like that to know.

          • toperspective

            That’s just my assessment. I would be very happy if he was the Chiefs qb. Wilson did his job and they should have won the game. Not his fault that Ryan was able to move the team 45 yards in 30 seconds.

          • Danny W

            Out of curiosity who do you read that you think is an expert that doesn’t think Geno could be a consensus number 1?

          • toperspective

            I haven’t seen one ranking service that puts Geno #1 overall. Top qb, yes, not top player. Most have him 10-24. Some mocks have him going 1 to the Chiefs because of their need, not because he’s the best player. Before the Geno mafia attacks…I’m not saying he shouldn’t be taken 1st. If he’s taken 1st, great, but if Dorsey and Reid go in another direction, I’m ok with that also. They have my trust for a season. I’m just glad Pioli is not drafting.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            The lowest I’ve seen him mocked is 7th overall. No way he makes it out of the top ten.

          • toperspective

            I agree. There are a lot of teams that are unhappy with their qb play.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          Who made that argument?
          I clearly stated that we should take Smith #1 overall because he’s the “right” QB.
          Griffin and Luck were better prospects, but I want people to stop pretending they’re infinitely better prospects. That’s simply not true. You’d be hard pressed to find another guy with those physical gifts, those intangibles AND those numbers. Smith’s ONLY problem is being drafted a year behind Griffin and Luck. Draftniks have argued that he’s not worth the #1 (in January, mind you). No one is arguing he’s not the best QB in the class.

          • toperspective

            You said – “Quarterbacks taken first overall account for a third of all Super Bowl wins. That’s reason enough to roll the dice.” Anyway, you are in the minority that don’t think Griffin and Luck were infinitely better prospects. I don’t claim to be able to make that assessment but most football insiders and “experts” have made that assessment. Some mocks don’t even have a qb as worthy of the 1st round. The Redskins traded a boatload of picks to get Griffin – no one is going to offer the Chiefs a boatload for Geno. I doubt anyone will offer them a sandwich. Indy let Manning walk because they were getting Luck. If it would have been this draft class, I doubt they would have let him go. We have some good talent evaluators so I’m comfortable letting them decide on Geno.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            That statistic speaks to the success of quarterbacks taken in the opening round of the draft. Makes a pretty compelling case about how closely getting the best college quarterbacks available is tied with ultimate success in the league. I never said it was a fullproof method, there aren’t any. It’s the best way to win in the NFL and it’s almost impossible to argue otherwise.
            Luck and Griffin are better prospects. Smith is a blue-chip prospect himself. If he were being drafted in any other year, I’d wager money that he’d be the consensus #1. Hell, I think he will be come April. People fail to realize how early in the process we are. These debates will matter after the Combine and Pro Days.
            Washington did pay a King’s Ransom for Griffin. That was a special situation to begin with. Griffin was a SPECIAL prospect. No doubt about that, but there were other factors in play. We also have to remember what was going to be available in the following round. THIS draft will have several valuable candiates available in Round Two. 4-5 guys could be R2 picks this year. Last year Osweiler was the only QB to go in Round 2. Apples to oranges.

          • toperspective

            I understand the stat. I just only think it works if it’s the right qb. I don’t follow the line that any other year Smith would be the consensus #1. This would be the year since the draft class isn’t strong. At least not strong with “gotta have” prospects. There are no Griffin, Luck, Clowney, or Manziel this year. Any of 5-10 guys could go #1 this year. Griffin was special and Luck was special. Few people (at this point) think Geno is special. I agree the process is early and maybe the KC football gurus will ultimately agree with your assessment of Geno. Again, I’m good with that.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Geno wouldn’t be endlessly compared with the quarterbacks from last year’s class if he didn’t fall into the class right behind them. That weighs heavily into how he’s been evaluated. That’s all everyone’s been saying. That he’s not a clear #1 because he’s not Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin. That’s nonsense. Especially when you consider how weak the QB class is. He’s clearly the #1 QB. He’ll soon prove that he’s also the top player in the draft.

          • superman_25_58

            MANZIEL? Listen the kid is looking like he is and will develope into something special, but he is a Freshman so how can you put him in the same category as RG3 and Luck? That freshman was also playing with the best LT in college football, which just happens to be worthy of a #1 pick by many of these experts you talk about. So Let’s not jump the Gun on Manziel if you can’t jump the Gun on Geno being in their league “bc statisticly Geno is better than Tyler Wilson, Mike Glennon, Nassib, Tyler Bray, Matt Barkley, Andrew Luck, RG3, Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, John Elway, & Steve Young to name a few coming outta college”. Now I didn’t research EVERY QB EVER TO COME OUTTA COLLEGE AND COMPARE THEM TO GENO, I JUST COMPARED THE ONES MENTIONED ABOVE CAREER’S TO GENO’S CAREER but, “Statisticly Smith may be the best to ever come out of college”. Like I said Manziel is only a freshman and we will see how he does next year without his Awesome LT. If you say you can make the arguement bc he won the Heisman well that doesn’t matter bc most all of Qb’s that have won the heisman didn’t pan out in the last 22 years. Acceptions RG3, Cam Newton, and I think Sam Bradford will get there, he just needs a few more pieces kinda like the Chiefs.

            This is a list of the Heisman-winning quarterbacks since 1990. Get ready for this bc it’s UGLY!!!!

            1) TY DETMER, 1990

            2) GINO TORRETTA, 1992

            3) DANNY WUERFFEL, 1996

            4) CHRIS WEINKE, 2000

            5) ERIC CROUCH, 2001

            6) JASON WHITE, 2003

            7) MATT LEINART, 2004

            8) TROY SMITH, 2006

            9) TIM TEBOW, 2007
            10) CHARLIE WARD, 1993
            11) CARSON PALMER, 2002
            12) SAM BRADFORD, 2008
            13) CAM NEWTON, 2010
            14) RG3, 2011

            15) Jonny Football, 2012

          • superman_25_58

            Who are these talent evaluators you’re talking about? Keiper & Mcshay? JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN’T KNOW THEY ARE HARDLY EVER RIGHT, AND Well for all you Glennon is better than Geno EVALUATORS I’M A CLOSE FOLLOWER OF ALL AND GLENNON ISN’T IMPRESSING ANYONE IN SENIOR BOWL PRACTICES. I WATCH THE PRACTICES MYSELF ON NFL NETWORK HE IS TOO ON AND OFF

          • superman_25_58

            I agree with you Stacy D “Griffin and Luck were better prospects, but I want people to stop pretending they’re infinitely better prospects.”

        • ArrowFan

          I think we can all come to the realization that not address the QB situation while we build the rest of our team, has left us worse off. So based on our 2012 and 2011 seasons I say the QB comes before the chicken.

          • toperspective

            “I say the QB comes before the chicken.”. That’s good. I don’t think anyone is saying we don’t need to address the qb situation. It’s just some love Geno and believe Geno should be taken no matter what and others think Dorsey and Reid should decide if he’s a future franchise qb.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            It’s definitely up to the two of them to decide. No amount of cheerleading will ever change that fact.

        • superman_25_58

          THIS IS STUPID! I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU FIGURE THIS SHIT? LUCK PANNED OUT TO BE GOOD BC HE HAD A HELLUVA BETTER SUPPORTING CAST THAN GENO SMITH AND JIM FUCKING HARBAUGH WAS HIS COACH…… GENO ONLY HAD RECIEVERS AND THAT’S IT, NO O-LINE, DEFENSE, RUNNING GAME UNLIKE ALL THESE OTHERS YOU MENTION. LISTEN QUIT LISTENING TO EVERY OTHER PERSON OUT THEIR THAT SAYS THEIR ISN’T A ANDREW LUCK OR RG3 BC OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT BC NEITHER ROOKIES RG3 NOR LUCK MADE IT AS FAR IN THE PLAYOFFS AS ROOKIES RUSSEL WILSON OR COLIN KAPERNICK “WHICH BY THE WAY IS HEADING TO THE SUPERBOWL” SO EVERYONE IS TALKING JUST TO HEAR THEIR VOICES WHEN IT COMES TO THIS NO CLEAR CUT QB. SHIT IMHO………….. I HAVE WATCHED GENO PLAY MANY OF GAMES AND HE HAS SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST CAN’T TEACH AND THAT IS THAT BEAUTIFUL ACCURATE SOFT TOUCH ON THE LONG BALL, AS WELL AS A CANNON WITH ACCURACY ON SHORT TO INTERMEDIATE ROUTES. YOU CAN TEACH MECHANICS, TIMING AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT “IT’S HARD TO TEACH ACCURACY AND TOUCH” AGAIN GOING ON RECORD GENO WILL BE #1 QB TO COME OFF THE BOARD AND IF WE DON’T PICK HIM UP HIS TEAM WILL FLOURISH WHILE THE CHIEFS ARE FACE DOWN IN A BIG HEAPING PILE OF HUMAN FECIES….. JUST SAYIN

    • [email protected]

      LOL
      so at the most important position in football, we want to go ahead and hope one “falls to us” like “tom brady”?
      ahahahahahaha
      you cant make this stuff up.

      • Danny W

        Sure you can, in make believe land, AP and Jamal Charles will run together. We will draft a Tom Brady in the 6th round and then it will rain skittles down upon every true believer that quarterbacks are around every corner!

    • Chief Hokie

      It’s not a reach if the guy is a potential franchise QB. I don’t care if he’s the 33rd most talented player on our draft board – if Reid and Dorsey think Geno is the guy, then you have to take him with that first pick.

      And Tom Brady is the exception, not the rule.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        If he’s the 33rd best player on their draft board they should take him with their 2nd Round pick. He won’t be there, but I agree with the model in that regard. That’s not even in the ballpark.

        • Chief Hokie

          I’m just saying if they’re confident that he’s “the guy” then you cannot risk losing him to another team, and the only way to do that is to take him with your first pick. I don’t even consider it a reach if you think there is a solid chance he can be your franchise QB. The question is, do Dorsey and Reid think Geno or Wilson can be “that guy”? If they wait till the second round or later to grab a QB, then that’s a good indicator that there’s nobody in this draft class that they feel has a significant shot at being a franchise QB.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            If he’s their guy, they’ll take him. My only concern is that he’s not their top choice or that Dorsey will avoid him for fear of taking a lesser player. If he runs a strict BPA program, I can totally see them waiting until R2. Hopefully he’s rated high enough that they can’t take anyone else. If he’s in the top five on Dorsey’s big board, he’d be a fool not to take him.

          • superman_25_58

            I WOULD SAY TOP 10

      • toperspective

        I agree that Reid and Dorsey should make that assessment. It makes no sense to take a qb 1st if they don’t think he’s franchise quality. The exceptions are more that Brady. This yrs playoffs had 5 qbs taken in 2nd round or lower. Besides Brady, I’d also take Kaepernick or Wilson over most of the qbs in the league.

        • ArrowFan

          I would rather have Geno than Willson and Kercocky

          • toperspective

            I think you would be in the minority. I think Chiefs fans are like a man recused from a deserted island…the 1st women he sees is the one. I don’t understand why so many are convinced that Geno is a sure fire franchise qb while most experts have major questions about Geno.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            Geno Smith is special. The kid can make EVERY NFL throw, he posted ungodly numbers, he can read defenses, he can extend a play, he’s athletic enough to run, he has great ball placement AND accuracy. He also played well against top competition. What more do you want?

          • toperspective

            That is absolutely what I want along with good decision making skills, great work ethic, passion for the game, high football IQ, mental and physical toughness and leadership qualities,

          • Stacy D. Smith

            He has all of that too. It’s been said time and again that the kid’s a film room rat.

          • KCMikeG

            WHAT QUESTIONS? Three years of ascending play. His TD’s increased by 20-30% each year while his In’s were stable at 7 or fell to 6 in 2012. He has a greater body of work than RGIII when comparing passing which is ALL that matters in the NFL. Just ask the Skins after spending 3 first round picks and a 2nd for a guy who they may not even get one whole season out of because of his running emphasis.

          • toperspective

            QB who are mobile are very prominent in the NFL now. Just ask the 49ers, Seahawks, Panthers, Colts and Redskins. The pendulum may shift back but teams are thinking mobile like Rodgers, Kaepernick, Wilson, Newton etc when picking their ideal qb.

      • ArrowFan

        Add Wilson and Kercocky to the list

    • Brody Hall

      Wow… You lose your posting rights! Im pretty sure that only one of them were a number one over all pick and Russel was a joke from the start. And to me, if a guy is able to go like 5 overall and not be considered a reach then a team who needs a QB like KC does drafting him #1 does not sound that insane.

    • ArrowFan

      Sure that works great if your team doesn’t have like the most glaring hole of all times at any one position. We are currently the black hole of the NFL at QB.

  • Danny W

    Excellent points made. You made a concise argument why the Chiefs need to find a quarterback with urgency. I don’t think the Chiefs can afford to passive about taking the best quarterback available because theres a Left Tackle that may end up being a slight upgrade over what we have. We could draft a quarterback that could be light years ahead of what we have and is the MOST important position on the field. I think they should draft two quarterbacks they need one so badly. Free agency has left tackles and cornerbacks.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      Joeckel’s only an option if they’re trying to save jack on the position. If that’s not their concern, Albert will be re-signed. We’ll get some clarity about all of this once free agency begins.

  • john woodley

    If reid/dorsey aren’t in love w/ geno take your big and maybe trade up into late 1st round to grab the guy you really want at qb

    • Michael Shaw

      I like this, but using this philosophy, who would you take at #1, provided Geno doesn’t warrant the #1, which I don’t think he does, at least not right now. I am reserving full judgement when the combine and his pro day are over.

      • ArrowFan

        I will reserve answering until after the combine and pro days.

  • shayaan

    best player available does not necessarily mean highest rated player regardless of position. position is always a consideration when determining who the “best” players are. an OG might rate slightly higher at his position than a QB does at his, but the QB will likely rank higher on teams’ big boards because of the positional value.

    dorsey saying they will take the best player available just means they will take the guy at the top of their big board, which will be formulated based on their own measurements of talent, positional value, and team needs.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      That’s reading quite a bit into what Dorsey actually said. I “think” that’s what he meant, but that’s pure speculation.

      • shayaan

        it really isn’t. he said the bare minimum that needs to be said – no GM is going to divulge their exact evaluation process. of course reaching for need is always a bad thing, which is why dorsey plainly stated that, but to think team needs play no part in draft evaluation is extremely myopic. all i’m saying is that their assessment of “best player available” comes from a combination of factors. they don’t just take the #1 guy on some ESPN big board and disregard position altogether. every team comes up with their own big board, and positional value and team needs plays a role in that process – nothing about that is speculative.

        • Calchiefsfan

          This is exactly what I’ve been wondering. We will know a lot more come draft day what constitutes value and bpa in the Dorsey/Reid system. How much value do they factor in to the QB position?
          I want to think that if they feel Geno Smith is a franchise quarterback and the best one in this draft then they will pull the trigger on him. What other player in this draft would impact the Chiefs more?
          Clearly this is the big test for the new regime. How they fix the quarterback problem will speak volumes on what the future will be for the Chiefs.

          • shayaan

            QB is definitely the biggest issue facing this team by most accounts, and both reid and dorsey have acknowledged the importance of the position in their media rounds. i’m confident that reid will not just settle for someone falling to us in the draft, or for just any free agent that’s available, and will want some actual talent at the position. to me, the draft looks like the best place to get that, but i’d be open to other options if they presented themselves. but please, no more stopgaps.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          What exactly would he divulge in saying that he considers need alongside player ranking and value?

  • Chief Hokie

    1. It’s easy to say you follow BPA when you have Aaron freaking Rodgers under center.

    2. I don’t buy that ANYONE follows a strict BPA drafting strategy. Let’s say hypothetically the BPA every year is a left tackle. Are you gonna just keep drafting left tackles? Obviously not. I’m all for taking the best player available but that strategy cannot be an absolute. When we have a glaring hole at the most important position on the field, and there is someone like Geno who is a top 10 talent, you’d have to be a fool to pass on him. Once we get our QB, we can BPA it all we want.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      Hold on now! We do have other holes. This team needs at least two new starters (CB and ILB). Possibly three if Bowe doesn’t come back.

      • Chief Hokie

        BPA within reason I should say. Obviously I’d rather us prioritize our holes, but if a freak of nature prospect ever falls to our position (assuming we’ve already gotten our QBOTF) I’d hope we’d draft him. For example, if a guy like Megatron fell to us next year I’d sign him in a heartbeat even if we resigned Bowe and WR was not a need. Again, that’s assuming we have our QB.

      • ArrowFan

        Not as bad as we need a QB. I would roll with the same secondary if we could move the ball on O and score like 21 pt per game.

        • Stacy D. Smith

          I realize that, but the original post alluded to going BPA AFTER we got that QB though. That’s what I objected to. We have other holes.

          • Justin R Groth

            Hopefully draft goes like this.
            1. BestQb (geno)
            2. Best Cb (plus a vet in FA)
            3-5. BPA with thumping ilb in there
            6-7. Pure Bpa

    • Michael Shaw

      My only response to that is, what if Geno sucks at both the combine AND his pro day at WVU? Do you still take a chance on him at #1? What if the kid at K-State comes up big at the combine and his KState pro day? Would you take him at #1 just to satisfy the position?……..I still think we could get better value, right now before pro days or the combine, at OL, LB or even CB or Safety with the #1. But I am not there at 1 Arrowhead Drive to look at the actual scouting reports, so who knows.

      • Stacy D. Smith

        If Geno blows it at the Combine his draft stock will suffer. I don’t see that happening. Klein won’t be the top overall pick no matter what he does. He simply doesn’t have the talent or the pedigree.

        • ArrowFan

          The only way he can “blow it” is if he flunks a piss test, get a DUI, or does something stupid to a girl.

          • Stacy D. Smith

            I certainly don’t expect that to happen. I think he’s going to make believers out of a lot of people.

        • Danny W

          Klein doesn’t have the pedigree? What’s his mom fat or something?

      • Chief Hokie

        I’ve wondered that myself. If Geno sucks at the combine and on his pro day I might have to change my profile pic, because I’d probably rather go elsewhere in the first round. In that case I’d be on board with taking Star, Milliner, Joekel, or someone else, and then a take a QB later like Glennon or EJ Manuel, or Geno if he’s still available. Having said that, I think Geno is more than likely to shine in the combine and pro day events. I think the talking heads will be mentioning Geno as the first guy to be taken off the board come draft time. We shall see. I trust Reid and Dorsey to know a franchise QB when they see one, given their histories working with guys like Favre, Rodgers, and McNabb.

      • Chief Hokie

        Also I’m not a fan of Klein. He’s Tebow 2.0

        • superman_25_58

          I AGREE

      • ArrowFan

        If we don’t select who ever is the best QB with are #1 pick then Dorsey and Ried better have a clear plan.

      • superman_25_58

        NONE OF THESE POSITIONS YOU JUST SAID WILL WIN FOOTBALL GAMES FOR THE CHIEFS. REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS (IT WILL BE GENO THOUGH) THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE BEST QB AVAILABLE IF NOT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE DRAFTING #1 NEXT YEAR AS WELL…….. JUST SAYIN

      • Justin R Groth

        Difference is that Geno has good tape that shows he has good mechanics to back his proday or combine work out. The KSTATE guys mechanics are seriously lacking and remind me of Tebow, wouldn’t mind him as a te or fb who could be an emergency Qb

  • Brody Hall

    Here is what he is not saying… the “Best Player out there” will be slightly different for each team. Dorsey is not going to allow a so called “expert” (I use that term with a grain of salt now a days because most are idiots) tell him who is the best. So when your team needs a QB as bad as KC… its hard to pass on Geno. Because lets face it, a sure thing like Luck comes around hardly ever so if we wait for that we will be waiting a very long time people!

    • shayaan

      exactly. the best player as determined by dorsey, reid, and the chiefs, has very little to do with who mel kiper or todd mcshay think is the best player on their non-team-centric big boards.

      • Chief Hokie

        Hahah Mel Kiper…

        As I read somewhere…”The NFL Draft is tired of Kiper mocking it”

        • Danny W

          Especially because he thinks there so good you should have to pay for them.

      • ArrowFan

        Craper and Mcstinky or should that be Mcstinky and Craper?

    • superman_25_58

      I GUESS I CAN’T SEE WHY EVERYONE IS SAYING A FOR SURE THING LIKE LUCK. LUCK HAD A WHOLE HELLUVA LOT BETTER SUPPORTING CAST THAN GENO SMITH DID. I MEAN JIM HARBAUGH COACHED HIS ASS. I MEAN THAT’S A GIVEN BUT GENO HAS PUT UP BETTER COLLEGE NUMBERS SO TO ME THEIR SHOULDN’T EVEN BE A QUESTION AS TO WHO THE #1 QB SHOULD BE. PLUS HE JUST FITS ANDY BETTER THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS QB’S IN THE DRAFT…… JUST SAYIN

  • ArrowFan

    When a team is as hurting as we are for the most important position in the sport then we should pick the BQBA with our first pick every year until we get a good one or two. Get Geno or who ever is the BQBA with the #1 pick. If it doesn’t look like it is working out then do it again and again and again and again until it does.

  • Patriot42

    Not every Chiefs fan want to pick a QB first out of this years picks just those that aren’t thinking clearly.

  • Will

    Geno smith isn’t even worth a first round pick… Sign a free agent qb, resign Albert, and take Moore with the first overall pick and take Jonathan banks with the first pick in the second round, then draft a qb.

    • Stacy D. Smith

      Wow. I got $100 that says he’s a top ten pick.