Will There Be A “Sea of Black” This Sunday At Arrowhead?

Oct 28, 2012; Kansas City, MO, USA; Kansas City Chiefs fans paid for a sign to fly around the game against the Oakland Raiders at Arrowhead Stadium. Mandatory Credit: John Rieger-US PRESSWIRE

The Kansas City Chiefs play the Cincinnati Bengals this Sunday. That makes today “Red Friday” in the Chiefs Kingdom. It is a tradition for Chiefs fans in Kansas City and all around the country to proudly dawn their red attire in support of their favorite team. It carries over to game days as well as the Chiefs fans that fill Arrowhead Stadium have become known as the “Sea of Red”. However, the poor product being displayed on the field this season has some fans’ pride turning to outrage. On this “Red Friday” morning another SaveOurChiefs banner flew over KC, not over the stadium, but over KC’s rush hour traffic. This same SaveOurChiefs group is encouraging fans to wear all black to Sunday’s game to send a message to Clark Hunt.

By now, I think most people that care enough about the Chiefs to be reading this blog know about the SaveOurChiefs movement. They’ve flown “Fire Pioli” banners over the last couple of games and have tens of thousands of followers on Facebook and Twitter. It actually only takes one angry fan with enough funds to rent a plane to fly a banner. Clicking “like” or “follow” on your computer is one thing, but not enough to sway a multi-million dollar operation like a NFL franchise. An owner like Clark Hunt can live in denial that the banners flown around Arrowhead (and over traffic this morning) are just the product of a small vocal minority. That will change though if Hunt’s home stadium if filled with black shirts on Sunday.

Turning the “Sea of Red” into a “Sea of Black” would be an undeniable warning to KC’s owner that the frustration level is reaching its breaking point. I see the message of the “Blackout” game as this. We are still here to cheer on the team because we love the Chiefs, but things have to change or the next step is we stop coming.

I think most people would agree that Clark Hunt is definitely an owner that enjoys making profits. If Hunt looks out into the crowd Sunday that is there to watch his 1-8 football team and sees a full house that is 90% decked out in red with only a speckling of black mixed in the message will be that there is no real pressure to change. Fans are still coming, supporting the team and lining his pockets. However, if Hunt looks out and sees a stadium with more Black than Red that could be a game changer. Hunt strikes me as the kind that can live with angry rants about his team on sports talk radio and blogs like this one as long as the business is thriving. However, if that anger reaches a point that he starts losing out on a significant revenue stream, then he may be prompted to take action.

In a way, the SaveOurChiefs movement has gone “all in” on this Sunday’s game. If the “Blackout” works, the movement is to be taken seriously. It may show up in the national sports media. It will shed a bright light on the problems in the Chiefs organization and send the message that fans will not stand for the “status quo” again next season. It will light a real fire under Clark for change. If the “Blackout” is a dud, it will take a sledge hammer to the SaveOurChiefs movement’s credibility. They will just be “those guys that fly the banners”, an annoyance to the administration, but not a threat to their precious bottom line.

I always look forward to watching the Chiefs play on Sunday afternoons, even this season. What can I say, I’m an Addict. This Sunday I’ll be anxious to turn on the game not because I can’t wait to see what the final score will be, but to see what message the fans send to Clark Hunt. I think it could go a long way to determining what the course of this offseason will be.

So Addicts, are you hoping for a “Sea of Black” on Sunday? Do you see that as a positive demand for change or is it crossing the line? If you’re going to the game will you be dawning black or the traditional red? For better or worse, the fans will send a loud and clear message on Sunday. I just don’t know what that message will be.

Topics: Kansas City Chiefs, SaveOurChiefs

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  • chiefridgy

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  • andyred

    this “sea of black” idea is not wrong for doing, but it is wrong timing. If theyre having salute to service and theyre all wearing black, what message are we sending? Well look like bigger dicks by everyone rather than fans speaking their mind. I say postpone it one week. Not start a mini mob on salute to the troops weekend

    • chiefridgy

      I agree with you. But now you’re going to be on Everyone’s shit list for your opinion.

      • KCMikeG

        I proudly add my name to the list.

    • Lyle Graversen

      Here’s my opinion. The Blackout shouldn’t be seen as an insult to anyone but Scott Pioli. That’s really what this movement is about, getting him out of KC. If I was going to the game I would wear black, but otherwise I would go about the game just like I normally do. I would cheer for the Chiefs to win, I would make as much noise as possible on 3rd downs, I would stand and cheer for our service men and women when they are recognized. I would just be wearing a black shirt while I did it in order to let Clark Hunt know that while I love the Chiefs, I’m not happy with the direction of the team and he needs to understand the fans will not tolerate his inaction much longer.

      • andyred

        look, im not saying we shouldnt do the sea of black. Dont get me wrong, I WANT pioli to get fired just as much as everyone. And im afraid to say, but hunt doesnt care about chiefs fans, all he cares about is his money. What im trying to say is not only should we should Clark how pissed we are, but let the national media know we wont accept this garbage of coaching and GM we have. That way Clark hunt cant hide from the inevitable like he has. Why I said postpone it one week, is because I dont want there to be some kind of smokescreen of what our focal point is and trying to achieve:the firing of pioli. Think back to when Winston blasted us. As I remember, the media and everyone blasted us for what, a week? I wanna see us on espn as “fans who had their voices heard” as opposed to media twisting facts and coming up with “having death of an era on salute to veterans week” and being called “insensitive”. people can say they shouldnt care, but in this case, perception is everything. I just want to make sure we get the point across clearly, ans not have people twisting intentions. thats why I say, what’s really one more week of waiting

        • KCMikeG

          If the Save our Chiefs and the rest of the blackout protesters want to communicate their anger, dissatisfaction and desire for change to Hunt then NOTHING would speak louder than empty seats. Wearing black tarnishes the history of Arrowhead and the Sea of Red in addition to prioritizing their desires over the honoring of the troops.

          • Lyle Graversen

            Why does wearing black go against honoring the troops? Do military people find the color black offensive? If they honor troops at a Raiders game do their fans have to not wear black that game? Or would people have to wear red to a Raiders game in order to offend military men and women? I don’t understand why you are correlating the two.

          • KCMikeG

            Black is the color of mourning – not celebrating and honoring the troops for their service. It places the dissatisfaction of a football team’s performance over their heroic service. Really Lyle using a faiders game for comparison…..black is already their team color not a selfish protest over football.

          • Lyle Graversen

            But the black has nothing to do with honoring their service. It has to do with a silent statement of protest about the GM of a football team. Why can’t I stand and cheer and honor someone’s military service AND where a black FIRE PIOLI shirt? Why is it one or the other?

          • KCMikeG

            Because the honoring of our troops is deserved and will produce the desired results and the protest is a distraction from the light years more important honoring and will not have any effect anyway since it is a futile effort that some will then try to claim as “their” impact on decisions that would have been made w/o their selfish blackshirt day.

          • Lyle Graversen

            You act like people are wearing protest shirts to a military ceremony. It’s a FOOTBALL GAME, people are there because of the football. Their wardrobe will be based on the FOOTBALL not the fact that for a few minutes at halftime they’ll be honoring our service men and women.

            If they did it next week and at halftime they are honoring local firefighters is that a slap in their face? The week after that teachers that are making a difference with disadvantaged kids, a slap in their face too? They’re not related. If you don’t like the blackout idea, that’s fine, but saying its a disgrace to our military men and women is silly.

            I’m guessing that most of the men and women there that served their country would say that they served this country so that people would have the right to wear whatever color shirt they want and exercise their freedom of speech.

          • KCMikeG

            I don’t act like anything. It is obviously a football game where they have decided to honor the troops before the game and at halftime. And yes it is a slap in the face to whoever we are Honoring and a slap in the face to the honor of our franchise. Won’t you all be so proud years from now when your children and grandchildren ask “were you a part of the black stain in the Sea of Red?” If people actually turn out in a significant way it will be one of the worst moment in the history of Arrowhead and the fans.

            I’ll spare you the guessing. My family has served for generations and I have many friends who still serve and while they believe in our freedom they also believe that it is not too much to ask for the fans to put aside the distraction of their selfish protest over their satisfaction level with football to honor them. Go ahead protest and lets just see which one gets the attention they deserve – the troops or the the black stain.

          • Lyle Graversen

            We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I believe that you can wear a shirt of a different color to a professional football game without disgracing the men and women of our armed services. You don’t. It’s clear that there’s nothing either of us can say to change the other’s mind.

    • Chiefswatch

      That is bogus, only a moron would think it has anything to do with the troops.

      • KCMikeG

        Except maybe for the troops who would think “wow their own pathetic anger and selfish desire to have their way over something they have little to NO control over was more important to display than our sacrifice for them on this ONE day we are being honored.

  • drake

    what does the military have to do with football? believe it or not there was a time in nfl football history when breast cancer, the military, and all other non football related things were not the focal point of NFL FOOTBALL! i support the troops and i support the military and that has nothing to do with me paying money to see the kansas city chiefs play football. and it has nothing to do with what i wear. you wanna not wear black cuz you dont want to thats fine, but i am and believe it or not i still love america and the troops and i will not seceed from the union lol

    • ladner morse

      So well stated in fact… I can add nothing except… Black is not just a choice, it’s your voice.

      Let the fans be heard.

      • KCMikeG

        Even you Ladner? I get that they have the right. I get that things suck. I get that the fans want them to know their unhappy. But come on you can’t turn on the radio w/o hearing it, there are planes flying banners over the stadium and the highways, it has been on local & national TV. Don’t you think they already know it? Wearing black shirts isn’t going to suddenly turn on a light bulb. Decisions will be made based on the results and changes will be made like they were last year and 4 years ago w/o the fans wearing black to tarnish the Sea of RED.”

        • Chiefswatch

          Tarnish??? LOL I think the complete disappearance of the “arrowhead advantage” has done more to tarnish than black shirts ever could. Get over it man. You watch a Chiefs game on TV lately? Empty yellow seats part your “sea of red” every game for the past three years and whats left of that “sea of red” sure has a lot of orange buoys in it. Grow up

          • KCMikeG

            If you actually attended games at Arrowhead you would know that the Arrowhead Advantage still exists. Both the MNF games in 2010 & 2011 were right up there with some of the best bunch of fans supporting the team as I have ever seen.No it is not as it was in the successful periods under Marty & Dick but it is still very much alive. What you don’t understand that while the Sea of Red may have subsided some during the struggles it will, just as the sea recedes before the tide rolls in again, will bring waves crashing down on our opponents again. That is a natural reaction to loss. The tarnishing is the wearing of black in the Sea of RED. No I don’t watch the games on TV – I am filling those orange seats with nothing but loyal, supportive RED fans. The yellow seats not having people sitting in them is because they choose to watch from inside the suites so that does nothing to divide the Sea of RED it is just a yellow band that joins the two levels of RED together.

          • TAZMOSIS

            Mike, I really think that every Chief’s fan that is in Arrowhead this Sunday will be there rooting for the Chiefs to win, regardless of what color they are wearing. You are fooling yourself if you think that opposing teams fear Arrowhead as they once used to. Just look at the record of the last ten years. It is imperative that as fans we let Hunt know that we are not happy with how this team has performed. Just because we may be wearing black that does not mean we are not supportive of our Chiefs. But, we have to bring the message loud and clear that things had better change, and damn quick. As long as Hunt’s bottom line is not affected in a negative manner, he will only continue to operate the team as he sees fit. I know that this may sound silly, but Clark Hunt and the Hunt family are simply caretakers of OUR CHIEFS. A few decades from now, perhaps the Hunt family will still own the Chiefs or maybe they will have been sold or even moved. But until that time comes, Hunt owes it to every Chief’s fan in America to put the best team on the field that is possible. And right now, he is not doing that.

          • KCMikeG

            I am totally aware that Arrowhead has lost some of it’s fear factor. in fact I said it had but I have still seen it even through the hard times. You are fooling yourself if you think Hunt is not already aware of the problems and even more foolish to believe that wearing black will suddenly inspire him to make changes. I can just here him in his suite Sunday “Geez the fans wore black shirts today. I better get busy doing all the things they want done. I can’t believe I wasn’t aware of the problems. Thank goodness for all those loyal fans wore black or I would have ignored what my multi-million dollar needed.”

            Even more foolish is the ignorance of the fact that changes have already been made: “Hunt has done nothing to make this team better” Except for hiring the most sought after GM, bring in an aggressive HC that just lead his offensively minded team to the Super Bowl, Cassel was franchised by the Pats and stolen from McDaniels, Haley melted down and was fired when we fell apart, Stanzi was drafted and compared to Brady (not my words google it if you don’t believe me), RAC was promoted (YES we all supported it too), RAC relinquished the DC position, Muir was retired, Daboll was brought in, Cassel was benched, Routt was cut, promising FA’s were brought in. Were they all good decisions? No but it is pretty easy to be right in hind sight.

            You need to refresh your history of the Chiefs if you think the Hunts are simply “caretakers” of OUR CHIEFS. They created, own, delivered, promoted and supported them from the beginning to today.

          • TAZMOSIS

            Mike, G. Let me take your points one by one. I never said as you have quoted me saying that “Hunt has done nothing to make the Chiefs better”. All Chiefs fans thought that bringing in Pioli was a good move. We did not bring in a head coach. We brought in an OC and made him the HC. Again, most thought this was a good move. Cassel was franchised by the Pats because they were unsure that Brady would be ready when the season started. And, of course, Pioli gave Cassel 63 million dollars.

            Cassel “stolen” from McDaniels? Yeah, Denver had an interest, but that went nowhere. Stanzi compared to Brady? By whom? By the guy who drafted him……Pioli. (How has that worked out?) As for Crennel, he was not supported by everyone. I thought it was at best a feel good story that was not thought out by Hunt or Pioli. I realize that Crennel’s HC history was with a very bad Browns team, but I still believe that he was not the right man for the job. He and Pioli’s history had more to do with his promotion than his ability as a head coach. Muir was a horrible choice as OC, having never even called an offensive play.

            As far as the Hunts I am referring to, I should have narrowed that to one, and that would have been Lamar Hunt. Lamar is the patriarch of this team and the Hunt who created, owned promoted and supported the Chiefs from day one. “They” as you say, have had little success in bringing the Chiefs back to prominence in the NFL. “They” just happened to be around when the torch was passed.

            So, Mike, please don’t try to give me any history lessons on the Chiefs.

          • KCMikeG

            The quote wasn’t attributed to you. I am aware Haley was OC before being our OC and could have worded my statement clearer but mentioning the offensively minded to emphasize Haley’s role in the SB run as OC.

            Go back and read about McDaniels interest in Cassel:

            http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/1997/double-coverage-cassel-vs-cutler
            http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

            As far as Stanzi I don’t think you’ll find Pioli’s name in any of the following quotes;

            http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/iowa-hawkeyes-ricky-stanzi-tom-brady-nfl-draft-quarterback-class-040511

            http://www.fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Content/NFL-Draft_2011_Stanzi_2-23-2011.htm

            http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/4/30/2145431/mel-kiper-tom-brady-ricky-stanzi

            If there were two things I could see done yet this year they would be firing RAC and giving Stanzi a shot with the starters in a real game.

            Sorry for the history lesson, I get what you meant and was just set off by Lamar, who gave birth being to our team, categorized as a caretaker.

          • Chiefswatch

            Well seeing as how I have a career in a place where work exists I can not come to KC to live though I would really like to. I was actually at both of those MNF games you speak of. I fly out and attend at least two games per year. Were they great early season games? Yes they were. But for you to say that experience is anything close to the experience of fans today in that stadium is laughable. MNF games are your proof that there is an Arrowhead Advantage?? 0-5 is what we are right now at home. How were your loyal supportive RED fans?? You said there is nothing but RED fans did you not?? I saw a stadium of about 80% black adorned fans. And by the fourth it was more close to 95% black adorned fans. So who is in the wrong? Is it the thousands in black at the end of the fourth or the hundreds still wearing red? What about the numerous bags over the head?? Is that indicative of the Arrowhead Advantage??? What say you man

          • KCMikeG

            You misunderstand. I was comparing the MNF games vs the dolts in 2010 & 2011 to the good old days not to todays sad state and there’s noting to laugh about. You were there – you know. The 2010 game was exactly like the best of times. The decibel level was incredible and the pre game celebration of the opening of the new Arrowhead was an unforgettable moment in Chiefs history. McCluster’s return shook the ground we stood on.

            The MNF games are not the only “proof” as there have been plenty of displays of the Arrowhead Advantage with fans supporting the defense this year like in the past especially on 3rd down! But with the level of play being what it is there hasn’t been much inspiration for the max decibel levels and clearly no reason for it to last to the end of the game but that doesn’t mean it’s not there at all either. Trust me, I have been there for every snap.

            The other thing you should trust me on is wherever you got you your percentages of blackout shirts totally screwed you and I would ask for a refund due to poor information. And here’s why – not all of the black had anything to do with the blackout at all. Many fans already own black Chiefs jerseys and coats they wear to every game. I have a black leather one I wear proudly because it doesn’t say blackout on it. Some people just have black coats that aren’t blackout or Chiefs. Every coat I own but one is black/charcoal. There were also a number of Bengals fans wearing black jerseys too. I saw many of all these along with some blackouts.

            Believe me I was very worried that the blackout would be an overwhelming success and the history of Arrowhead would be tarnished but it wasn’t. I saw a hand full on the left hand side after coming through the toll booths from entrance #5. I saw not one from our walk to the stadium. I saw none in line at the gates. I saw none on the concourse while loading up on Jack Stack BBQ. I saw another hand full in the section next to mine. There were none in my section.

            Yes the boo birds where out immediately on the 1st incomplete pass and never missed an opportunity. Comedic relief of the day that probably kept me out of a confrontation ~ There was a guy in a white jersey behind me that started in ragging on everything Chiefs from the opening kickoff. Finally a kid probably 9-10 years old asked him why he was cheering when the Bengals scored on the play that was overruled? He said “Aren’t you a Chiefs’ fan?” The people around him clapped and laughed. The kid’s Mom turned and talked the guy down. Next I knew he was gone. Way to go kid!!

            I’m an honest broker so I will say there was a fair amount of black there today but as I have stated some of the black you saw on TV had nothing to do with the protest. I know you will try to argue with my observations and facts so I’ll save you the trouble. Bob Fescoe, who is a a leader of the fire Pioli crew and a huge supporter of the blackout and thereby most likely to Overestimate the success, has publicly stated that the blackout turn out was about 40%. Subtract the non protesting fans wearing Chiefs black, those just wearing black and then the Bengals fans and you would be safe in saying half that at best. Don’t forget your refund.

            Believe me Chiefswatch I hate this as much as anyone. It eats at the core of my fandom. But it will not drive me to hate and abuse what I love so much. I will not allow it to take from me the hundreds of wonderful moments spent in Arrowhead savoring the greatness of OUR Chiefs. I will not lose sight of having walked out of Arrowhead 7-2 in 2010. I will not allow this. It is admirable for you to make the effort to make the journeys that make to OUR house. I hope that you can understand where I am coming from and that your great memories of Arrowhead can get you through these dark days too.

            Thanks to all of the fans who wore their red proudly. Thanks to everyone for honoring the troops. Lord help us all next week. Peyton will be done with us by the half. Keep the faith my fellow fans. This too shall pass.

          • Chiefswatch

            Nice response brother honestly. I do long for those days when I lived in Kansas and the closest to that is those MNF games we are speaking of. Watching the melt down on TV I am not in the least bit lying about what I saw. Red clothed fans were number three behind empty seats and black geared fans. I too would have been wearing my black chiefs hoodie and you might have confused me as something other than one intentionally wearing black. If you follow the saveourchiefs movement you would know they encouraged people to wear black Chiefs gear in general, not just those shirts they authored. You are underestimating the numbers man.
            Check out this photo

            http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=459897844062519&set=pb.440228086029495.-2207520000.1353292987&type=3&theater

          • KCMikeG

            Thanks! Glad we could find some common ground. After all we all love the Chiefs so that kind of makes us related and you know how family can be sometimes! We need to pull together not apart.

            Fescoe’s estimate of 40% and having been there leads me to believe my math is closer than yours. Agree to disagree on the numbers. I know some wore black Chiefs gear in protest but we all know that the black has been the new trendy color long before SOC. So my point is some of the Chiefs black attire and most of the plain black attire were not protesting. Some certainly were in protest too I’m sure. I’m just thrilled some “entrepreneur” didn’t make a bunch of money off of selling 30-40,000 blackout shirts and hoodies.

            I completely understand why people are so upset – I am too. My 43 years of being a Chief fan will not allow what SOC is promoting – it goes against every fiber of my loyalty to the Chiefs. Certainly you and the SOC group don’t think we “Red Shirters” like this crap or don’t want changes NOW – because we are angry and do want change. It is the hate, name calling and manipulation/division of the fan base by a few for their own personal gain that is most putrid of this decaying season. The local “media” is encouraging the hating as it is increasing their advertising revenue/# listeners and bring the spot light of national exposure to our small market talking heads. This is something that I believe SOC is not considering. I hope that SOC feels they made their point and we can all put this ugly period behind us. There is much to be done to rebuild our franchise – let’s start doing our part right now by reuniting in the Sea of Red to encourage our players, to diminish the negative attention being focused on us damaging our potential to attract quality administration, coaching staffs and free agents. Let’s turn out in RED – LOUD & PROUD and show the world how much we love our Chiefs. Let’s be the fans Kansas City is famous for around the league. This is the only thing we truly can control.

            Keep the faith brother. This too shall pass.

          • MattJChiefs

            Those two losses were absolute blowouts in games that mattered. We can say “We were 7-2″ but those games were awful. I was at the Oakland one for my birthday and I had a mighty fun time watching the Chiefs not even put up a fight. I also enjoyed watching the Ravens steam roll my team. It doesn’t matter if you go 16-0 and lose the final game at the end. Ask the Patriots. Records mean nothing if championships never come.

          • KCMikeG

            You misunderstand my loyalty. I’m Not pretending that nothing is wrong. I Want changes done too in fact RAC’s firing would make my day. I have written Clark and have called the public relations department to complain. I am a season ticket holder and I have made it very clear that I will Not be renewing them if changes aren’t made. There are plenty of ways to voice dissatisfaction without disgracing what we love. You mention how relationships don’t work when only one side benefits which is true but it is also true that the most valued of our relationships experience trials and tribulation. There are times when one side gives more than the other, is willing be strong and lift up the other when they struggle or even fail. That is what builds strong, mutually beneficial, long term relationships.

            Totally disagree on 16-0 not mattering. Matt you need to be able to enjoy the successes along the way and realize that nothing is perfect – ask the Patriots.

            Yes, I know the losses were awful. I was there too and they sucked but you also missed that we fought for two and a half quarters blow for blow with the Ravens even though they were supposed to steam roll us.

            You’re also missing the point of how wonderful it was to stroll out of Arrowhead 7 games in a row as a winner and joining in the celebration with our fellow fans as the War Chant echoes through the concourses. All the way out into the parking lot. It breathed new life into my loyalty and finally allowed my wife and boys to finally feel like it was under Marty and Dick. To feel the power of the Sea of Red by being a part of it. To see the effect we can have on our opponents. These are moments to be savored.

            I would propose that we ALL begin to let go the awfulness that is the 2012 season and begin to rebuild the Sea of Red. Wallowing in the despair does us no good. Together the FANS are powerful and help the players be their best when we unleash the power of our voices. The players have never needed us more. Changes will be made as we all know. Let’s start working on our responsibility to fill up the Sea of Red. Let’s show prospective GM’s, coaches and free agents what Arrowhead is famous for so that we can attract the best possible candidates. Our future depends on it.

        • MattJChiefs

          The Sea of Red is a joke now. Seriously. The current “Sea of Red” is a bunch of people who believe the only method of being a true fan is to constantly act like nothing is going on. You can tell me all you want that the way to bring us back is to support things and show up in red, and I admire that. I also think that the people who protested in black (including myself) put forth much more of a voice than you have by continuing to act normally. If you honestly say that you didn’t see much black I challenge your eye sight because I was there as well and there were many fans dressed in black again including myself. I love the Chiefs with all of my heart and because of this love I continue to cheer and be vocal and go crazy for my team, but I also wear black to say “Hey! I still love you, but things need to change”. Try to find a marriage or a friendship that works when only one side benefits and the other side just takes advantage. They don’t. That’s how fanship is too. You can claim being a true fan means shoving your money into the franchise, wearing red, and pretending like nothing is wrong all you want, but don’t be disappointed when nothing changes for ten years. I love my Chiefs, but I refuse to act like nothing is wrong.

          • KCMikeG

            You misunderstand my loyalty. I’m Not pretending that nothing is wrong. I Want changes done too in fact RAC’s firing would make my day. I have written Clark and have called the public relations department to complain. I am a season ticket holder and I have made it very clear that I will Not be renewing them if changes aren’t made. There are plenty of ways to voice dissatisfaction without disgracing what we love. You mention how relationships don’t work when only one side benefits which is true but it is also true that the most valued of our relationships experience trials and tribulation. There are times when one side gives more than the other, is willing be strong and lift up the other when they struggle or even fail. That is what builds strong, mutually beneficial, long term relationships.

    • Jeremy Parkercom

      Very well put sir, I agree with everything you said.

    • KCMikeG

      What does the military have to do with football? Great question. Not. The military is what ensures and protects us all so that we may enjoy sports and entertainment. Sports and entertainment provide our biggest stage to show our appreciation for the sacrifices these heroes are willing to make for us up and including giving their lives for our freedom. So choosing to wear black to “mourn” our really horrible, “life threatening” football situation is pathetic and selfish on a day that was chosen long before our much “more important” issue arose. It’s called respect – get some.

  • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

    I agree with the disappointed fan sentiment as I am one myself but I’m also a dad, a husband and a human being and I can imagine how it must feel for Scott Pioli to know his wife and kids see these banners saying “fire daddy.” It probably sucks having to explain to people who think you’re the smartest and greatest dude on the planet that people think you’re such a failure and are so full of hate and spite over a GAME that really means nothing in the grand scheme of things that they will make it a public announcement. So as for me I will be disappointed with the class and dignity that I used to be able to expect from all Chiefs fans and continue to support and encourage my favorite team since I can remember by wearing red and hoping they perform well on Sunday. Between a few fans cheering about Cassel getting hurt, bags on people’s heads and stupid banners flying over the greatest stadium the world has ever known I can honestly say I have been ashamed for the first time ever of some of my fellow “fans.” That kind of nonsense is for Raiders and Browns fans.

    • Chiefswatch

      lol another “fans” as if they are something else. What would you label them dude? Season ticket holders that adorn black out of frustration are no longer fans? You are a moron.

      I am sure Pioli can dry his and his kids tears with the millions of dollars he has in the bank. You are a joke.

      • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

        I’m a moron and a joke? I simply stated an opinion. I did so in a classy non beligerent way at that and you resort to name calling and childish antics. Perhaps you sir are the moron and the joke. Thank you for proving my point.

        • Chiefswatch

          “classy” lol. I would argue that your opinion is just a degrading to fans as those assertions that you are indeed a moron and likewise a joke are to you. I Proved what point? That I am not a “fan”. Seeing as how your point was those that attend the games in black are not fans and we should feel sorry for Pioli, I do not see how my previous comment proved that. So let me try to put it in a little less of a classless way: ………………….ah never mind, you are an idiot.

          • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

            I never said people weren’t fans and I never said I feel sorry for Pioli. I said we should stay classy and dignified. I think he should be fired I’m just not a dick so I voice it in a way that shows a little character. You may very well be a fan. So am I. Have been for 30 years. I never said you weren’t. My point was there’s a way for civilized people to behave and you keep proving you aren’t one of them with your high school name calling behavior. Every time you call someone you don’t know an idiot you prove my point.

          • Chiefswatch

            Funny that as i look at the stadium I see empty seats and I see Chiefs fans decked out in black. I would say 85% of those fans left watching this shit game are wearing black. So who is the “fans”? Those that are STILL watching this garbage or those that did not even bother to show up or left the game because it is so horrid. These are fans through and through. The Blackout was a success and the reason for it could not be shown more clearly but by another terrible Pioli led let down.

          • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

            Oh it was a success? Good, I’ll expect them to play better next week because about 1% of 30,000 people wore black. Yeah that’ll show em. FYI, I’m one of the “fans” left watching.

          • KCMikeG

            Exactly big chief! I was there too. The sad truth is that no matter what happens the blackouters will take credit. If the team plays better – which clearly wasn’t the case today or if anybody gets fired or cut then they will be thumping their chests and claiming victory. Any fool could predict that heads will roll. In case they hadn’t noticed Haley and Muir were both canned last year. Everyone knows RAC is history and that there will be player changes especially at QB. Two coaching misses and the QB miss could very well do in Pioli. Hunt isn’t going to sell the team or move it to LA.
            They have taken a no lose position. Unless of course nothing is done which totally screws us all especially them since they would be proven completely ineffective.

        • KCMikeG

          Don’t let him drag you down to his level as he is an expert there and will defeat you. According to him name calling shows how much he cares about the team and his fellow fans.

    • Lyle Graversen

      In the past those antics have been done by Raiders and Browns fans and not in KC. You know why? Because the organization was run with dignity. Now we’re the biggest joke in the NFL. You can’t give fans that care SO MUCH about a team an inferior product year after year and then blame the fans for not being the same as they were when the team was being run the right way. We know what a well run class organization looks like, and this ain’t it. I understand what you’re saying about feeling for his wife and kids, I do. But when you accept a job like this and the big fat paycheck that comes up with it you do so knowing that this could happen. It comes with the territory.

      • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

        I get where you’re coming from. I really do. I’m just not convinced that they don’t already know they aren’t good right now. I don’t think they need bitchy fans to remind them.

      • TAZMOSIS

        Ditto.

    • calciomoti

      just a game? Its their job to them, its not just a game just for fun…it generates how many jobs nationwide? How much does the NFL revenue annually? To you and I its just a game, because we have no attachment to it other bragging rights with our fellow NFL friends. Sorry, but this game means a SHITLOAD to many Americans who depend on its consistency to make money and provide for their families…from the vendors, to ticket, and parking ticket workers, everyone who works in the stadium and for each team, to people you probably never even thought of, such as the TV crews, the TV companies ad salesmen, toall the people so make commercials for the companies that pay to advertise during a game, to all the people who work for the companies who advertise during the game, to the retail stare employees who work for the company who sells the product the company that advertised for the game…honestly i could go on, and on, but come on big chief NFL is not just a game, andtheseaof red you speak of does not exist anymore, itsmorelike a sea of empty fucking seats because since Lamar passed, the wrong son was given the keys to this once great franchise, and it totally sucks bals just like the black and silver do…so we should all wear the appropriate colors of sucking balls…black.

      • calciomoti

        sorry, I wrote this on a tablet and didnot proofread it…forgive me for all the typos

      • http://powellbailbonds.weebly.com/ big chief

        Since I was 4 my mood for 6 days after a Chiefs game has depended on whether or not they won so believe me I know the importance of football. My point is that in the scheme of life all of what you just mentioned revolves around a game. When compared to whether or not the marines, cops, doctors, firemen, bridge builders, congress, teachers, I could go on succeed football seems pretty insignificant. I mean really for us is it more than a few hours of entertainment per week? When I wake up monday morning my most important thing is to go to work to provide food and Christmas presents for my kids regardless of whether the Chiefs won or not. It sure as hell isn’t worth selling my dignity by being a douchebag on national t.v. to prove a point that everyone already knows.

    • TAZMOSIS

      Big Chief, how about the many thousands of Chief’s fans that are ashamed the way this team is performing on any given Sunday. Oh, and both of the last two games before millions of national viewers, with the the Thursday Night game being unwatchable. I agree with you as far as a real fan cheering when Cassel went down, but having been in Arrowhead when that happened and watching the rerun video more than a few times, what I did see was fans cheering for the play resulting in a 16 yard gain and a first down. When it appeared that Cassel was injured, the stadium was silent. Ans as far as what Pioli’s family thought about the banners, that’s too bad. But they should know that their father/husband is in the public’s eye, he has a job to do, and he is not doing it very well.

  • Jeremy Parkercom

    Yes, I hope there is a sea of black, we must be heard! #saveourchiefs

  • Mr. Telescope

    The only way to “take a stand” is to stop going to these games. Either way, it doesn’t matter. This franchise is leaving for LA soon.

    • Chiefswatch

      I sure hope so man. Think there is next to no chance that happens but fuck would I be excited.

    • Nicholas Rodgers

      Yup. Just have to break that 25 year lease they signed when the renovations passed in 2006, where they took hundreds of millions of tax dollars to update the stadium with that lease as an agreement that they would stay in KC, and they are home free for a move to LA. Haha. Give me a break.

      • tm1946

        You said this before but you are wrong, Leases are made to be broken. There never was a cast iron lease. I am betting the Hunt family lawyers started seeing what it would take to break it the day after it was signed, just good business.
        So laugh somewheres else, and give IT a break.

      • KCMikeG

        Plus there is the matter of Hunt and his family invested $125 million into the creation of the New Arrowhead Stadium – an extensive modernization project that will keepKansas City “The Home of the Chiefs” for decades to come.

  • KCMikeG

    I understand the pain of losing. I understand the gut wrenching humiliation. I am a season ticket holder and have been a fan since I was 8 years old and the Chiefs won the Super Bowl in the 1969 season. This is NOT how loyal fans react. I will be there with my family all of us wearing our RED CHIEFS jerseys screaming our hearts and lungs out for them to win on Sunday. I hope you will join us.
    The Save our Chiefs bunch are missing the point of being a loyal fan. You support your team through the good AND the bad. “Pioli has been here for 4 years” says Shane Williams and then stumbles over his own words nearly saying w/o a playoff appearance but recovers to say w/o a playoff win. Hello?? It has been nearly 20 years since we have won a playoff game and we have SIX playoff appearances since (one of which was due to six other teams losing so we could back in). So how is 1 out of 4 (nearly TWO being we were a play away from making it last year even with the injuries, chaos and HC firing) SO bad that we should promote disgracing our house – the great Arrowhead – by wearing black? Do these “fans” not realize the condition of the team he inherited? They want to ignore the 4-12 and 2-14 seasons prior to Pioli’s arrival so they can crow about how all the great players were already here. Yes there were quite a few pretty good players here – none who were great yet though and if they were so great then why were our records so bad? The SOC bunch are being lead astray by a few fair weather “fans” and the local “media” hacks with an axe to grind because they got shut out by Pioli and even more importantly to them – the national spot light is on them. This manipulation of the fans is for their own selfish moment in the spotlight and they have NO regard for the division of the fan base they so wantonly fuel and inspire. Reality check is that YES there have been mistakes and YES we have been horrible at times but wearing black will NOT make anyone play better, coach better or get fired who wasn’t already going to get fired and ONLY disgraces the proud heritage of our team. Almost as pathetic as their completely lack of respect for our house and team plus the total ignorance of the image they will project nationally to potential GM’s, coaches and free agents damaging the team for years to come, is the selfish, egotistical leaders of the protest who will thump their chests and claim victory when the firings do happen even though they had would have happened anyway and they had NO INFLUENCE over them. I pray that the SOC protesters will think about the perspective I have shared. I hope they consider the look in the eyes of Willie Lanier, Len Dawson, Priest Holmes or Bobby Bell if they happen to cross paths in the Hall of Honor as they walk away shaking their head in shame over what has become of the once great KC Chiefs fans now adorned in black.

    • Chiefswatch

      lol there is the “fans” comment. As if thousands of people paying money to watch chiefs games are something other than fans of the team. Take your dribble elsewhere man, most people are well beyond defending Pioli and Company and the days of blind faith are far gone.

    • Lyle Graversen

      From what I hear, a lot of the former great players are equally fed up with Pioli’s attitude. Have you listened to Bill Maus or Rich Baldinger talk about this team? Have you heard the disgust in Len Dawson’s voice when he’s calling these blowout loses? Why do you think Hunt would meet with Marty? The team has lost its way under Pioli and he’s seeking direction on how to get it back on track. In my response to big chief below I pointed out that Chiefs fans know what a well run classy organization looks like. We know what a well coached team looks like. We’ll support them in tuff times as long as we feel that the team is doing everything it can to get better. I believe that Pioli, Crennel, and Cassel are doing their best, but their best isn’t good enough. KC fans have seen no sign of anyone holding them accountable. Therefore, it is up to Hunt to demand better. That’s all fans want. Give them some sign of hope. Some sign that Clark cares as much about getting this fixed as we do. Think of it like an intervention for a loved one. If you see them destroying their life, you don’t just accept it, you do whatever you think is needed to get their life back on the right path BECAUSE you care so much. You don’t just say, I’ll love you no matter what and turn a blind eye to their problems and hope they just sort themselves out.

      • KCMikeG

        Get your facts straight Lyle! Marty didn’t meet with Hunt. Len Dawson’s disappointment is with the players performance and the coaching which is where the problem lies. I’ll take Willie Lanier’s and Eric Berry’s words over Bill Maas or Baldinger any day. I’m actually disgusted that you would even list Maas with his multiple arrests for guns and drugs and Rich was never a “great player” either. This is a more talented team than 2008 and I challenge you to provide head to head positional match ups that prove me wrong. I’m not saying changes don’t need to be made either. Just not totally scrapping the team and starting over.

        Yes Pioli has made some important decisions that have not worked out. But they were rational decisions based on the facts at the time. After the historic defeat of the undefeated Packers, the rise of RAC’s defense and nearly making the playoffs plus the players support of RAC how was that a terrible decision by Pioli? It is only that in hindsight. And as far as Cassel goes he had just had a great 2008 year, the Pats franchised him and McDaniels/his OC was fighting to get him in Denver. His success in 2010 gave hope and bought time for Pioli to continue the rebuilding of this roster from the depths it was in when he arrived. Remember -4-12, 2-14 in back to back years? Then we make the playoffs in 2010 and nearly again in 2011 amidst the injuries and HC meltdown. I think with a top draft pick QB and an experienced coaching staff with a record of success many will be eating their words of hate and dismissal of Pioli.

  • KCMikeG


    I’m sick of the local “media” talking heads manipulating the fans for their own personal gains. Spreading lie # to many to count about Bowe. Now Bowe wants to stay. Will a single one of them step up and say boy I screwed the pooch on that SORRY fans? Hell NO! SO WHY would Bowe want to stay in KC when there is big $$ and bright lights in Miami? We suck! What the hell is wrong with DJ, Charles, Hali
    , Flowers and Succop all resigning for less than they could have gotten on the open market? Why? If Pioli is so fucking awful and this team is such a disgrace – even the worst team ever then why? Have you listened to what Kevin Boss said about wanting to play here? Have you seen the commercial by Eric Berry where HE says how bad he wanted to play here and how much he loves it here in KC and how much we the fans mean to him and that there is no where else he would want to play? WHY?

    We need to calm down and see that these players know WAY MORE than any fan or local “media” blabber mouth knows about Pioli and the team. The right coaching staff and QB and we are on our way. Lets represent OUR CHIEFS the way the SEA OF RED always has!

    • Chiefswatch

      The players may love KC as we as fans love KC. However loving KC is not loving the bullshit we are forced to label as leadership. Lyle is right: a sea of black will make an impact. More than that I think a sea of black will show that not only are we dedicated fans but we are likewise intelligent and opinionated. If you think we would hurt a single players feelings you are wrong. They understand the score. They know that we are sick of Pioli, we are sick of Cassel, and we are sick of being forced to endure them both.

      I know it is difficult to separate yourself from you homerism but at least give it an attempt. To want to stay in KC is not an endorsement of Pioli. I can not believe you even tried to make that assumption let alone post it here. Everyone is sick of Pioli and I bet no more so than our players wasting their prime with that shit bag Cassel on the team.

      • KCMikeG

        So why then would these players want to stay here for less money? What is it an endorsement of then our great coaching staff or winning records?? I’ll never let go of my Homerism because that’s what being a fan means – loving your team through the good AND the bad. Maybe you should make an attempt to let go of your Haterism before you make any more reckless assumptions. And as far as assumption making how in the hell do you have the right to speak for the players? Have you talked to any of them? I speak from a base of knowledge because I have spoken to them. You should also at least give an attempt to separate yourself from the childish name calling as it only diminishes anything of value you might have to contribute.

        • Chiefswatch

          You are speaking for the players, I am simply stating that loving KC is much different than loving Pioli. I am not even stating that it is one or another, just it is completely possible to love the Chiefs team and hate the GM at the same time. You on the other hand make the false conclusion that resigning is an endorsement of Pioli when there is absolutely no proof of that. Take less money? That is crafty negotiation and can also be players not wanting to uproot their families.

          • KCMikeG

            Yes you can love one w/o the other but to demand one be severed when it is directly connected to the other is the false conclusion.

            The coaching staff has been chaotic and underperforming. Winning has been elusive. Rarely is it where they live that rules over more money plus many players don’t even live in KC like Charles and Bowe.

            Pioli negotiates the contracts. You credit him with crafty negotiation that led to most of our stars staying in KC for less money yet demand he be fired for being terrible??

    • Lyle Graversen

      You stick up for Pioli and then say all we need is a new coaching staff and new QB and we are on our way. Isn’t the coaching staff and the QB the two most important spots to fill for a GM? Scott Pioli is in his fourth year and he has totally failed in the two most important jobs he has. I’m not saying he hasn’t done any good, but if he was so wrong on both his coaching hires and has believed that Matt Cassel was good enough to lead this team to a Super Bowl for FOUR YEARS, then I don’t trust his judgement enough to choose their replacements. I LOVE THIS TEAM. I still am rooting for them to win each week. Clark Hunt needs to know that he can’t take the fans for granted. We are the best fans in the NFL, but that doesn’t mean you can just ignore the failings of the team and assume we’ll just keep showing up like nothing is wrong. All Chiefs fans want is hope, and we’ll be there, tailgating, screaming our heads off, and cheering this team on.

      • KCMikeG

        Odd how you all want to ignore the “media’s” role in promoting the blackout, false reports to damage the team and dividing the fans.

  • bosefious

    Wasn’t there already a “sea of black” the week the oakland raiders came
    into town? In fact, for the last 4 or 5 years, the opposing teams have
    had more fans and colors than our chiefs red anyway. It only looks like
    an old stadium if the cards or 49ners come here with their red
    jerseys. As for Big Chief, and others alike, all of you “dignified” and
    “honorable” “chiefs fans,” you are the reason this organization gets
    away with their inflation, and lack of production. In no other industry
    would you get away with such shitty work, and be able to raise prices,
    let alone be able to work (period). Pioli’s kids see a fire daddy
    banner, boo f’ing whoo. Those kids have more wealth than they know what
    to do with. I grew up with parents living paycheck to paycheck. You
    know what my dad did? He worked his ass off. You know why? Because he
    would get FIRED! Get it? What makes Pioli the exception? Because you
    are a husband with kids…oh, yeah, good fucking argument, go rub his
    balls then ya loser. Us TRUE fans, we care, that’s why we bitch and
    blog, we care, that’s why we take a whole Sunday to give half our weeks
    pay to this lovely organization, we care, that’s why there is a
    savethechiefs movement. We, the fans, are the financial backbone of
    this league, and our team. We have the ultimate say, but our voice
    apparently falls on deaf ears. Time for something drastic, we deserve
    respect, we deserve to know what in the hell they are doing? Instead
    Crennel says every week, “I don’t understand,” well get the f out and
    get someone who does. This is the worst product to ever wear a chiefs
    uniform, the decisions of personnel are dumbfounded, and if you want to
    remain a “loyal chiefs fan,” with “dignity” and “class,” then report to
    Clark Hunts office before and after every game, so he can continue to
    ram his silver and black dildo through your wallet and up your
    ass…..just a game.

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