Scott Pioli, Romeo Crennel Indicate A QB Competition Is Coming

@moyerpj Manning will never be even close to the QB he was if he ever plays at all. The nerves are not regenerating as they need to which is preventing him from gripping the ball. Sorry but we don't need a broken hero. RGIII I would love but the price is way too high not just for who he is and the risk of not being as successful in th NFL but because so many ahead of us have the same or worse needs. Since neither of your scenarios are possible it's kind of hard to say that those are they ONLY way you could believe the Chiefs are serious about winning championships. How about if they throw ridiculous money at Brees and get him to bring Colston and Nicks with him, would that lead you to believe? It would me too but it isn't a real scenario either.

@KC MikeG NO will never let Brees be a Free Agent, and Manning will be ready to play next fall. Don't listen to the Colt's owner, he is intentionally trying to scare away other teams. Other players including QBs have had the exact same surgery and come back to play with no lingering issues. Manning is good for 3 more seasons. With our running game, receivers, a new tackle, and a REAL OC, not to mention the Defense..............the Chiefs are instant contenders.

@moyerpj @KC MikeG I have heard numerous doctors/sports medicine experts say the nerve regeneration is incredibly difficult at best and that there is no way he could even try to play before two years. I have not heard anyone say anything about another QB that has come back from this surgery. I searched quite a bit w/o success. Who are the other players who have come back? The Colts have no reason to scare away other teams. They will draft Luck and he will be their franchise QB for another decade if healthy. They definitely won't need Peyton struggling to be what he was and failing. The best thing for them would be for Peyton to be healthy enough for some other team that is desperate enough, or thinks they are like us, to pony up and get them off the hook for the $28M he is due in a month. Otherwise they will have to cut him and tarnish the relationship. A healthy Peyton, even 75% of the original, would still be a huge step up for us but with questions of the nerve regeneration, the fact that this is his 3rd surgery in 18 months, that he has two vertebra fused together in his neck (which is the part that has been medically cleared not the nerves), that he is having difficulty gripping the ball, that he can't throw the ball down field, that he is 36 and how much money we would have to pay him all make Peyton in KC nothing more than a dream for me.

@Wichitachiefsfan NO!!!! He reminds me of Tyler Palko! He is a football coaches son a student of the game and has a high Football I.Q. but can he make all the throws??? sounds like Palko to me

@rockygentleman Palko did not have high football IQ. He could not go through progressions or even read defenses. Watch Moore play and tell me that he is not proficient at both of those. Plus his accuracy is not even comparable to Palko. Just because he is smaller does NOT mean he cannot make throws. I say again, watch him play.

@Wichitachiefsfan Kellen Moore does not have the arm strength to start in the NFL. I'm with rocky gent - the guy reminds me of freakin Palko. During all the Senior Bowl practices, even the game... It's like he moves around like him and has the same throwing motion and everything. So, I disagree with you Witchita. If there is a late round QB to be taken it is Russell Wilson in my opinion.

@tm1946 Not being an offensive-minded guy, it seems natural for Crennel to not make the final decision on the OC. Granted, I guess that means Pioli will, which doesn't make me too giddy either, but I can only hope they can attract somebody good that can take over. Love you Romeo, but you should stick to Defense.

@jackie rubbinson It is kinda funny how they release theres gonna be competition at qb after they have some OC interviews. I like your take on them leaving town if he's our guy hadnt thought of that but I wouldn't doubt that for a minute.

@jackie rubbinson Martz will score points, but will not be able to keep his QB upright. Even the year he won the super bowl with STL he ended up destroying Warner, It took him years to recover. And look what happened with Chicago the last two years. They looked good, were scoring a lot of points, but they got cutler hurt BOTH seasons and ended up losing out because of it. We'll never have consistency at QB with Martz around

@kctenn44 HA HAHA funniest thing I've read all day

@Rawbone907 I'm with you here man. The only thing I disagree with is Helen Keller could'nt throw down the field as well as Cassel but her spirals were indeed a helluva lot better than his.

@KCChiefsFan58 I believe I can speak for the parties involved, not gonna happen. 1 Why would Manning WANT to come to KC?, to work for Pioli?, to be with our hot OC (do we have one yet?)?, throw behind out OL? to our all pro receivers (is Bowe signed?)?, have a gag stuffed in his mouth by Pioli? 2. Why would Pioli want to invest that kind of money in a veteran free agent? what if he got hurt again? who would pay that kind of money for an "overpriced veteran"? Get it, not gonna happen.

I agree tm

I agree tm, but its not necessarily about what Peyton wants.

@tm1946 I dont know man if he can make it two years though with us if by some crazy wild chance we could get him and Carl Nicks. We could compete for the SB. That thought makes me happy.

@Danny W @tm1946 I am with you but.....always a but, Nicks is probably the best free agent OL this year, mean premiun money and Pioli don't play that game. I love the concept but Pioli survived last year by dumping Haley, he is in charge and what you suggest would mean he did a major rethink and I just do not see it happening.

@Danny W Before either of us gets carried away. let's see who Pioli picks for OC and what coaches join the Chiefs. Should get plenty of insight into Pioli's thought process. If the OC is from NEway tree, i bet no Manning or Nicks but if Pioli leaves his comfort level and hires a name OC or one with a track record of game planning and play calling, all bets are off.

@Big Matt That thought occurred to me as I was reading the article: starting to get excited and then thinking, oh, what if it's just Orton. I think signing Orton would be a mistake unless Cassel is traded. Cassel and Orton don't represent a huge improvement over the other, just a different poison. Perhaps Crennel's QB controversy experience in Cle will help us avoid that.

@sidibeke @Big Matt Orton reads his progressions but throws more picks. Pick you poison or your journeyman. I hope they go somewhere else at QB because I am tired of watching Cassel.

@Kurt Rauch I feel that vibe too. I attribute some of that to Crennel and his no B.S. answers to questions, but it seems even Pioli is saying a little more over the last couple weeks. To me it would seem that Pioli has a few more years to figure this thing out. He has to have learned from the last 3 seasons, but especially this last year. There is now entirely to much talent on this team to go 7-9. We are a few important pieces away from being a VERY good team. We all see it, I am sure he does too at this point. We need a better QB if this team is going to progress. Cassel has taken us as far as he can. The question for me is.. Who's it gonna be? Any thoughts?

@huckdaddy My guess is that it is going to have to be Cassell in the end. A more dramatic move for a better team for NEXT year is very difficult to envision. But that shouldn't keep the powers that be from looking for a better option and/or trying to make Cassell better through better competition.

@Kurt Rauch @huckdaddy Cassel would be his fine journeyman self if he would stand pat and go through his progressions. I dont care if a qb throws a pick a game if he will just stand in there and notdo the pp dance.

@ArrowFan I agree because Pioli knows that after Haley he is running out of daylight and after he showed he would end that before the season was over tells me that he will do the same if Cassel doesn't perform - CYA. Croyle, who so many thought was going to be that "big arm" we have always dreamed of was already here when they got here. I think Haley "sold" Pioli on Palko preseason although I'm not sure why?The Pitt connection? Haley started Palko over Stanzi to spite Pioli since Stanzi was Pioli's pick for sure coming from his buddy Ferentz at Iowa. I don't see another FA that would bring more competition than Orton unless Campbell returns 100% healthy and even then it's debatable. I think our best hope is Cassel, Orton, Foles and Stanzi.

@tm1946 The reason SP had Palko compete with Cassel for the QB job is because any other real NFL QB would've taken Cassel job as a starter thus making SP look like a fool for bringing him in.... We both know this is not true but I thought I would say it because its definitely something I would say if we all were sitting around drinking beers complaining about the Chiefs front office

@Danny W I feel like Orton over Cassel isn't much of an upgrade. Orton did a lot of things better than Cassel but he also didn't put up a whole lot of points. Don't get me wrong, Orton beat two playoff teams in three games. Even though one of those playoff teams was Denver, it is still impressive. Still, Orton couldn't get the job done against the Faiders at home. That is the story on Orton, I think. I know that loss wasn't all his fault and I know that he was only in the offense for a short period of time but the red zone pick he threw cost us the division. Red zone futility is the biggest knock on Orton. I'd rather have Orton over Cassel but I don't see there being room for both. I think we should stop settling for the lesser of two evils when it comes to the QB position. It is time for Pioli to go out and get a QB that can do it all. I don't care if that is Stanzi or RGIII or Peyton Manning. He just needs to get it done.

@Arowhead_Addict @Danny W Many knock Orton for being not a lot better than Cassel, we saw Orton 3 games and Cassel 3 years. Hard to compare, isn't it? The new OC will make a difference no matter who the QB is, unless it ends up being Zorn. Just saying there are tons of factors and we do not have the people in place to agrue about those two or anyone else. Pioli needs to get out of his chair and hire the new OC and decide on Bowe and/or Carr, then we can argue until JUNE.

@Arowhead_Addict@Danny W I agree that we need to make an actual 'splash' with the QB situation. Orton is an upgrade (in some areas, namely throwing the ball) but is still very.... blah. I do believe that Orton could take this team farther than Cassel, but he has his own limitations (like not putting his head down and picking up a first down with the division on the line). I do not want to see Manning come to town. If Stanzi wants to step up and performs great I would be ecstatic, if RGIII came to town that would be amazing (albeit unlikely).

@Arowhead_Addict Ya I've been on record here saying that their both journeyman and stand by that. Orton will start throwing pics on you pretty quick. I think he's better than Cassel just by a nudge. I would kill for them to make a splash at QB but I dont think it will ever happen. I would start to like our current GM alot more if he did do that. I would start to like him if he picked up NICks too.

@Arowhead_Addict @Danny W While Orton's int definitely hurt us it was only one of the many plays that cost us that game. All we needed was one play like Bowe catching the perfectly thrown TD pass from Orton the play before the pick, one of the TWO blocked FG's, poor kick coverage and our DB's getting smoked on the 1st play in OT. Add in the lack of a running game that could get us the hard yards, especially in the red zone, when we needed them and I think its really hard to say we lost because he couldn't get things done. Orton and Cassel are so similar in their stats, W/L records, turnovers and chaotic environments. I honestly can't say which of them might win in camp. Who knows maybe Foles comes in and out plays them both and now we have some trade material. Or maybe our new OC's offense is perfect for Stanzi and he rises above the rest. Lyle did a nice job comparing Orton and Cassel in his post The “Franchise QB” Window Closed For Matt Cassel And Kyle Orton? Even Eli and Drew had rough/comparable stats to start their careers.

@Arowhead_Addict He's saying: "When I was your age, I had a Super Bowl ring on this finger."

@Arowhead_Addict Good point maybe Brady sees a little of himself in Stanzi.

@Arowhead_Addict "You should've been in that game" I'd be willing to bet money this is what he said.

@Arowhead_Addict Brady: "You might have been #135 but that doesn't mean you'll have a better career and hey, take that damn #13 jersey off, scares that be-jezus outta me!"