Does Alex Smith Offer Hope For Matt Cassel?

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Is Matt Cassel a franchise QB?

Ask ten Chiefs fans what they think about Matt Cassel and you will probably get ten different answers. There are sure to be some who think he will still continue to improve and, if given the time, will become good enough to lead a well rounded Chiefs team to a championship. Others will say that we’ve seen enough to know that Cassel is average at best and will never lead the Chiefs to a playoff victory, let alone the Super Bowl.

Those in the group that believe Cassel isn’t good enough often point to the likes of Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers as evidence that to win it all, a team needs a stud QB. A difference maker.

Those in the group that believe that Cassel is good enough, might find a dog in that franchise QB fight in San Francisco QB Alex Smith.

To be fair, Alex Smith was drafted to be a franchise QB. He was taken first in the 2005 draft. His career, until this season, has been a major disappointment. Still, he was drafted and developed by the 49ers, where Matt Cassel was a 7th round pick drafted by the Patriots.

Other than where they were taken, however, Cassel and Smith are somewhat similar in their age and performance. To date, Smith has played in 70 NFL games. Cassel has played in 69. Cassel’s career completion percentage is 59%; Smith’s is 58. Cassel’s average completion is 6.62 and Smith’s is 6.40. Cassel’s tossed 76 TD’s and 45 picks and Smith’s tossed 68 TD’s and 58 picks. Cassel enjoys a career QB rating of 82.5 while Smith’s is 76.4. Cassel is 29 years old, Smith is 27.

Until this season, Smith was thought to be a bust. But the arrival of a new coach in San Francisco seemed to turn things around for him. He’s having a career year. His numbers aren’t jaw dropping but they are certainly efficient. In the regular season, Smith completed 61.3% of his passes for 3,144 for an average of over seven yards per completion. He threw 17 TD’s vs. five interceptions and had a QB rating of 90.7.

In last week’s divisional playoff game vs. the New Orleans Saints, Smith completed 57% of his passes for 299 yards, three TD’s and no interceptions. He finished with a QB rating of 103.2 and anyone who watched that game can tell you that, in the 4th quarter, Smith outdueled Drew Brees to help his team win the game.

In fact, Smith’s 2011 regular season is very similar to Matt Cassel’s 2010 season. Cassel completed 58% of his passes in 2010 for 3,116 yards and a 6.92 yards per completion average. He tossed 27 TD’s vs. 7 picks and finished with a QB rating of 93.0.

Both Smith and Cassel benefited from strong running games and weak divisions. Both got some help from strong defense, Smith more so than Cassel.

This weekend, Alex Smith and the 49ers will play for a chance to go to the Super Bowl.

Should this give us hope for Matt Cassel? After all, I think most Chiefs fans would agree that next year’s KC defense should be stronger than ever, and perhaps even dominate. The return of Jamaal Charles and Tony Moeaki should help get the offense back on track. There will be a new draft class as well as (hopefully) a new crop of free agents. I would go so far as to say that Matt Cassel’s 2012 receiving options will be better than what Alex Smith is working with in 2011.

Is Alex Smith proof that the doubter might need to reevaluate Matt Cassel? If Alex Smith keeps winning, does that mean that Matt Cassel can follow in his footsteps?

Cassel and Smith are different QB’s. There are also things that a QB does that might not necessarily show up on the stat sheet. Still, Smith’s success has to give Chiefs fans at least a little bit of hope.
And since it looks like Matt Cassel will be the starter in KC in 2012, a little bit of hope might not be a bad thing.

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To be perfectly honest, I can't see the organization going much farther than a AFC West Crown and a playoff loss with Cassel. The "Crown" is laughable at best considering how crappy the division really is that it came down to a team that could go 8-8(Go Chiefs!...Oh wait), take the crown and solidify a home field. The fact of the matter is, Cassel cannot and will not lead us anyway but to disappointment in the post season. You cannot be an inconsistent QB in this league like Cassel, and depending on how 2012 goes Smith, and think you can truly outplay teams with quarterbacks that can tear through even the best defenses and score. The only way to compete with teams like that is to be able to do the exact same, but with Cassel all you get is antsyness in the pocket and poor pass placement(Somewhere over Dwayne Bowe, way up high). Tie that in with the fact that Cassel really only seemed to want to either throw to Bowe or throw away and you can't be a team with a driving offensive machine. I supported Cassel's shoddy on-and-off play style for a little over two seasons before finally every time he stepped on the field I died a little inside and prayed they'd put Palko or Stanzi in instead of watching the sinking ship that had Cassel at its helm. Obviously, these feelings for Palko to get his chance were very fleeting when he finally did get his shot, and with any luck someone will put him out of the NFL's misery with a shot. But before Palko's craptastic performances and Stanzi's lack of chances I(and I would wager thousands of others) still wanted to bench our starting quarterback for two virtually untested QBs. Folks, I am here to testify that that wanten need to bench a QB that you spent millions on in hopes that he will develop into a franchisable, Superbowl winning quarterback is not good. Now as for the 2012 season what should the organization do to cure our QB woes. Well I am still up in the air about two choices really. I feel we should either go for broke and make power moves to draft a young gun, and then hand him the reigns. The other option I still see as working is finding a Veteran with a few good years left in him. I know a lot of people are against the battle worn Vet idea, but as it has been shown countless times before an Ol'Timer can make all the difference to your organization. Now I'm not advocating going and bring Farve from retirement, because I'm not sure the KC staffers could handle his old balls sexting around the stadium.

Back to the rookie with the reigns concept, I know that it's a ton of pressure to put on a rookie, but if a QB is truly meant to be great it doesn't matter when they are given their shot, they will either preform or not. I'm tired of the pussyfooting around and "rebuilding" the chiefs have been going through. It is time for someone to stand up and be the leader for that offense. What I fear most is that the team with continue to make poor choices in draft, free agency, trading, and player management(fire the baddies already) under the guise of rebuilding. The fans will only stand for this for so long, and a 10-6 season with a bottom of the rung schedule capped off by a horrid playoff game. Only to be followed by a disappointing 7-9 in a competative schedule but still crappy division is not progress. To me the last two seasons have been nothing more than middle of the road average. That is not where the organization should be, but if we continue to allow "at-best-average" QB's lead our offense then average is the cememtary plot that we will be buried in.

CASSELL SUCKED before he got here. He has SUCKED since he's been here. He will always SUCK!! The Chiefs will never be a consistent playoff team until the CHIEFS send CASSELL down the road and get a REAL QB!!

@zippy74 Just wanted to clarify what are your expectations that would qualify Cassel as not SUCKING? Must be somewhere beyond 2008 in NE with 11-5 with 21 TD's and 11 int's or our 2010 - 10-6 division winner with 27 TD's and 7 Int's.

As for me I have made up my mind that Al Saunders is the best offensive mind in the NFL and has been for a number of years. His resume is the best and his system can be tailored to most talents. The thing i can't understand is that most of you want to go back to the offence we had when Vermiel was here. It wasn't Vermiels offence, it was Al Saunders offence that he got from Don Coryell. Even the West Coast offence comes from Coryell. We have a pretty good defence and I see no reason why we couldn't have the offence we had in the Vermiel era at the same time.

@jimfromkc I'm in total agreement with you. Bring Saunders back. I was sick when we let him go to the skins. With the additions to the OL in the offseason we will have the tools to be a high power offense again with him calling the plays. You're right that there is no reason why we can't have both - at the same time for once!

In a perfect world yes Cassel could continue to improve and although not lead us to the promise land he could accompany us there. At Cassel's age I think it is a bit too much to hope for that he will suddenly morph into the next Tom Brady. After all this time he still locks on to his primary receiver and has difficulty going through his progressions and finding another receiver. That problem is usually solved by this time. It is high time that the Chiefs pull themselves out of this merry-go-round of mediocrioty. I am on board with mizzouboy81 when it comes to Foles. He shows a lot of promise. tm1946 is out of bounds as usual. I for one choose to wait and see what he does before condemning his actions. Could be he has been waiting to talk to someone who is still in the playoffs. Whatever the case I have faith in him and am more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe if Cassel were three years younger, I would see a slight sliver of hope. But at this point, the simple answer is no Smith doesn't give me hope for Matt Cassel.

After watching the 49ers game I beleive the chiefs are more built like the 49ers than any other team. Hopefully RAC can do for Cassel what Harbaugh did for Smith. But I still think we need to draft a QB (Nick Foles is my pick) for the future. Smith played well Saturday but there D made critical plays as well. Assuming Carr is back with Berry as well also the emergence of Houston we will have top notch secondary & LB core in the league. So yea I got hope but its more for the team as a hole than it is for just 1 player.

@mizzouboy81 Hate to say this.....RAC is not exactly a QB guru. Heck, so far,he apparently cannot find a OC or decide if there should be someone else to be DC. Just seem a little deluded when you put RAC and Cassel in the same sentence.

@tm1946 I didn't mean it in a QB guru way. I meant it in a give him confidence kinda way. I also said I think we need to draft Nick Foles. I think RAC is waiting on the 49ers d-line coach for our DC as far as our OC he needs to do something fast...... plenty of capable OC's out there. I'm more excited about our defense cause they are capable of being GREAT!!!!! Also curious to see what Pioli will do in FA.

@mizzouboy81 Have no idea about either DC or OC, heard Chiefs will stay in house for DC and no rumors on OC, but Pioli might pick out someone for Crennel. Not just curious about Pioli and free agency, so far he stays away from dramatic moves. This year would be a good time to change but he is winning on all fields so not a lot of hope from me.

@tm1946 I'm just playing the cards we are dealt & those cards are Pioli, Cassel,& RAC. Have faith in the team buddy.

@tm1946@mizzouboy81 Maybe he has his eye on one from a playoff team... we can only hope.

@tm1946 @mizzouboy81 tm1946 how do u know he cant find an O cordinator, they cud be signing someone as u read this. They cud b waiting on someone that is still in the playoffs. Romeo might hav a d cordinator but has already stated he himself will call the plays on sunday. Rac and Cassel. Rac and Cassel. Rac and Cassel. Lol

@tm1946 @mizzouboy81 is not say Romeo is a QB guru, he is saying he hopes Romeo can get the chiefs to play a team game instead of being a one man show like p.mannings colts. Like Harbough did in SF wit smith not having to do it all by himself.

I think the fact this happened gives hope but, I'm still not convinced Cassel is a franchise QB. I'll be more convinced when either Smith or Cassel is able to string 2 good seasons together. Then they can show that they can consistently be 'good enough.'

I didnt need smith to hav hope in cassel. If anyone says @ the begining of the yr that they liked smith over cassel they are lying or dum. I remember wen the fans wur screaming for Palko to get in the game over Cassel & u see how that worked out. I also remember wen Vermeil took a back up in trent green & had him lookin like P.Manning. Some fans jus dont like cassel. Cassel cud start the next yr off 4-0, wit 1300 yrds passing 12 tds 0 ints, but soon as the chiefs lose 1 game they will say "i told u cassel sucks". If the QB aint throwin 550 yrds & 5 tds nowdays, the fans will want a new QB.

@MicahStephenson I deny the idea that anyone was screaming for Palko to enter the game, ever.

@Ehud lol I understand u not believing it, but I was @ a game this yr, on every sack or incomplete pass, the whole row behind me wud b screaming for Palko. Finally I turned around and said if Palko enters the game we are really in big trouble!

@MicahStephenson@Ehud Sorry but is it really necessary to pretend to be illerate? You make valid points and know where a comma goes, what is with the "jus" and "cud"?

@MicahStephenson@Ehud I was screaming for Stanzi maybe you thought I was saying Palko because I was chowing down on my JackStack BBQ.

@tm1946@MicahStephenson@Ehud i hate when the grammar police enter the room cant we just talk football and not worry about punctuation and grammar i mean come on does it make you people feel smart to call people out on stuff like that

@DerekOsborne @tm1946 @Ehud the wana smart guys dont bother me. I type all these messages on a cellphone not a keyboard. I guess caveman Tm1946 hasnt caught on to internet shorthand yet. Hur let me help him translate lol=laughing out loud, jus=just, cud=could. Wud=wat u do n (what you doing) and I put commas wur(where) I wud pause, if I was speaking out loud.

@tm1946@MicahStephenson@Ehud Sorry, (know where a comma goes yourself, professor) but means you're not really sorry. So sorry, but if you had a clue and weren't illiterate (not illerate - duh) about internet / texting communication methods it is very common to shorten, abbreviate words or use internet slang like LOL. Seems to me if you're trying to insult someone's intelligence you might want to place commas where they belong and spell your words correctly.

@Ehud@MicahStephenson I read an article on another fan site entitled "The Chiefs are in good hands with Palko" Arrowhead pride readers were practically dancing when Cassel got injured saying how Palko was going to be such an improvement. I beg to differ with you on this one. There is an unfortunately large group of fans that base their opinions on the most recent game and on top of this pay little to no attention to who is actually not pulling their weight in said games.

@kcfanintx@Ehud@MicahStephenson Perhaps I should have added the word sane. I deny the idea that anyone sane was screaming for Palko to enter the game.

There is no question that we need an upgrade at QB or that Alex Smith has more skills than Cassel. Can we win with Matt Cassel? Yes. I do think he is a better QB than Flacco who I am not at all impressed with. Yet Baltimore is going to the AFC Championship. I don't believe that Pioli has done an awful job. He inherited a terrible team and though I agree his first draft was rediculous his last 2 have been pretty good. With the addition of Crennel we now have an opportunity to be a top 5 defense even if our d line has no pass rush. What Justin Smith did made me drool, it was one of the best performances I've seen by a defensive lineman. That being said we might have the best linebacking corps in the NFL if Houston continues to develop next year. With a strong defense, an improved o line and a bruiser running back, which could be achieved easily this off season with a good draft and FA, we can be a very good team. So yes, it does give me hope!

I'm not sure if the TE Davis in S.F. is getting enough of the credit for the win?

@ArrowFan The guy played an AMAZING game... but Smith placed a lot of throws perfectly as well.

Absolutely won the game for them.

I would have to agree, God givens favor Smith. Also I was terribly disappointed last year in Singletary. I thought he was the guy to motivate a group of very talented guys. But he failed miserably. The 49ers are set for a long time if they can keep their players in house. Good to near great QB with a backup who may be even better in time. Young off line that is big and going to get better. Running back near the top of his game and the best Def line player in the NFL in Smith. Wide outs aren't too shabby either. Now compare that to the Chiefs who are iffy in so many places that it is hard to not get sick thinking about how do you fix it. Pioli has done a terrible job and the stories coming out will in all likelyhood bring even more people out of the closet to tell there tale.

As I was sitting at home watching the 49rs game this thought kept repeating in my head... As much as I am enjoying this great performance by Alex Smith, I know that it is only a matter of time before the Matt "mediocrity" Cassel fan club starts the comparisons of Cassel to Smith. Let me put this as simply as I know how. Matt Cassel can never be Alex Smith. Alex Smith is a better quarterback than Matt Cassel. I cannot argue against the similar career numbers. They are very much a statistical match. One could make the argument that in Smith's 7 NFL seasons he has had 7 offensive coordinators. However, Matt Cassel will have had a different OC every year he has been with the Chiefs. The simple fact of the matter is this. As much as fans want Matt Cassel to be successful (even though it may sound like it... I do like the guy) he simply does not have the physical tools needed to play quarterback at the level required to lead a team to a championship. He is a great guy, a great leader. He has the intangibles that you look for in a franchise QB. He has it all... except for the arm, and pocket presence, or instincts. Alex Smith was drafted to be a franchise QB. He has all the tools needed to be drafted #1 overall. Matt Cassel does / did not. You can "hope" all you want that maybe, at the age of 30, Cassel will somehow become more physically gifted than he is. I prefer to move on and accept that Matt Cassel is what he is.... A career backup.

I'm not sure how when Smith has the best season of his career and it's not as good as Cassel's best season that makes Smith a better QB. Are we talking potential? Because based on anything done on the field that's not true. Draft spot doesn't make Smith better. Brady in the sixth and a long long list of first round busts (a list Alex Smith should be on even with this season) support that. The point isn't whether or not Cassel will suddenly become the QB that can carry the entire team to a win in a big game. Cassel isn't going to be great, and we should keep looking for an upgrade. The point is that KC can win playoff games, and maybe even a SB, with a strong D, strong run game and QB like Cassel. Baltimore, San Fransisco, Sanchez getting to the AFC championship game and Dilfer winning a SB say they can. So even with Cassel KC has hope. @MrCCG

@MrCCG Do you know Cassel's yards per pass avg is the exact same as Kyle Orton's? Cassel is nor Rivers but I think he can pass well enough to take us places with good protection. I could be wrong but I think he can. That aside I still think our future is in a young QB groomed in the Chiefs organization. That seems to be what works best for most SB contenders.

KJack 18 pts

To be perfectly honest, I can't see the organization going much farther than a AFC West Crown and a playoff loss with Cassel. The "Crown" is laughable at best considering how crappy the division really is that it came down to a team that could go 8-8(Go Chiefs!...Oh wait), take the crown and solidify a home field. The fact of the matter is, Cassel cannot and will not lead us anyway but to disappointment in the post season. You cannot be an inconsistent QB in this league like Cassel, and depending on how 2012 goes Smith, and think you can truly outplay teams with quarterbacks that can tear through even the best defenses and score. The only way to compete with teams like that is to be able to do the exact same, but with Cassel all you get is antsyness in the pocket and poor pass placement(Somewhere over Dwayne Bowe, way up high). Tie that in with the fact that Cassel really only seemed to want to either throw to Bowe or throw away and you can't be a team with a driving offensive machine.

I supported Cassel's shoddy on-and-off play style for a little over two seasons before finally every time he stepped on the field I died a little inside and prayed they'd put Palko or Stanzi in instead of watching the sinking ship that had Cassel at its helm. Obviously, these feelings for Palko to get his chance were very fleeting when he finally did get his shot, and with any luck someone will put him out of the NFL's misery with a shot. But before Palko's craptastic performances and Stanzi's lack of chances I(and I would wager thousands of others) still wanted to bench our starting quarterback for two virtually untested QBs. Folks, I am here to testify that that wanten need to bench a QB that you spent millions on in hopes that he will develop into a franchisable, Superbowl winning quarterback is not good.

Now as for the 2012 season what should the organization do to cure our QB woes. Well I am still up in the air about two choices really. I feel we should either go for broke and make power moves to draft a young gun, and then hand him the reigns. The other option I still see as working is finding a Veteran with a few good years left in him. I know a lot of people are against the battle worn Vet idea, but as it has been shown countless times before an Ol'Timer can make all the difference to your organization. Now I'm not advocating going and bring Farve from retirement, because I'm not sure the KC staffers could handle his old balls sexting around the stadium.

KJack 18 pts

Back to the rookie with the reigns concept, I know that it's a ton of pressure to put on a rookie, but if a QB is truly meant to be great it doesn't matter when they are given their shot, they will either preform or not. I'm tired of the pussyfooting around and "rebuilding" the chiefs have been going through. It is time for someone to stand up and be the leader for that offense. What I fear most is that the team with continue to make poor choices in draft, free agency, trading, and player management(fire the baddies already) under the guise of rebuilding. The fans will only stand for this for so long, and a 10-6 season with a bottom of the rung schedule capped off by a horrid playoff game. Only to be followed by a disappointing 7-9 in a competative schedule but still crappy division is not progress. To me the last two seasons have been nothing more than middle of the road average. That is not where the organization should be, but if we continue to allow "at-best-average" QB's lead our offense then average is the cememtary plot that we will be buried in.

zippy74 10 pts

CASSELL SUCKED before he got here. He has SUCKED since he's been here. He will always SUCK!! The Chiefs will never be a consistent playoff team until the CHIEFS send CASSELL down the road and get a REAL QB!!

KC MikeG 319 pts

zippy74 Just wanted to clarify what are your expectations that would qualify Cassel as not SUCKING? Must be somewhere beyond 2008 in NE with 11-5 with 21 TD's and 11 int's or our 2010 - 10-6 division winner with 27 TD's and 7 Int's.

jimfromkc 45 pts

As for me I have made up my mind that Al Saunders is the best offensive mind in the NFL and has been for a number of years. His resume is the best and his system can be tailored to most talents. The thing i can't understand is that most of you want to go back to the offence we had when Vermiel was here. It wasn't Vermiels offence, it was Al Saunders offence that he got from Don Coryell. Even the West Coast offence comes from Coryell. We have a pretty good defence and I see no reason why we couldn't have the offence we had in the Vermiel era at the same time.

KC MikeG 319 pts

jimfromkc I'm in total agreement with you. Bring Saunders back. I was sick when we let him go to the skins. With the additions to the OL in the offseason we will have the tools to be a high power offense again with him calling the plays. You're right that there is no reason why we can't have both - at the same time for once!

Big Jim 233 pts

In a perfect world yes Cassel could continue to improve and although not lead us to the promise land he could accompany us there. At Cassel's age I think it is a bit too much to hope for that he will suddenly morph into the next Tom Brady. After all this time he still locks on to his primary receiver and has difficulty going through his progressions and finding another receiver. That problem is usually solved by this time. It is high time that the Chiefs pull themselves out of this merry-go-round of mediocrioty. I am on board with mizzouboy81 when it comes to Foles. He shows a lot of promise. tm1946 is out of bounds as usual. I for one choose to wait and see what he does before condemning his actions. Could be he has been waiting to talk to someone who is still in the playoffs. Whatever the case I have faith in him and am more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

KC_LU6702 78 pts

Maybe if Cassel were three years younger, I would see a slight sliver of hope.

But at this point, the simple answer is no Smith doesn't give me hope for Matt Cassel.

mizzouboy81 51 pts

After watching the 49ers game I beleive the chiefs are more built like the 49ers than any other team. Hopefully RAC can do for Cassel what Harbaugh did for Smith. But I still think we need to draft a QB (Nick Foles is my pick) for the future. Smith played well Saturday but there D made critical plays as well. Assuming Carr is back with Berry as well also the emergence of Houston we will have top notch secondary & LB core in the league. So yea I got hope but its more for the team as a hole than it is for just 1 player.

tm1946 183 pts

mizzouboy81

Hate to say this.....RAC is not exactly a QB guru. Heck, so far,he apparently cannot find a OC or decide if there should be someone else to be DC. Just seem a little deluded when you put RAC and Cassel in the same sentence.

mizzouboy81 51 pts

tm1946 I didn't mean it in a QB guru way. I meant it in a give him confidence kinda way. I also said I think we need to draft Nick Foles. I think RAC is waiting on the 49ers d-line coach for our DC as far as our OC he needs to do something fast...... plenty of capable OC's out there. I'm more excited about our defense cause they are capable of being GREAT!!!!! Also curious to see what Pioli will do in FA.

tm1946 183 pts

mizzouboy81

Have no idea about either DC or OC, heard Chiefs will stay in house for DC and no rumors on OC, but Pioli might pick out someone for Crennel. Not just curious about Pioli and free agency, so far he stays away from dramatic moves. This year would be a good time to change but he is winning on all fields so not a lot of hope from me.

mizzouboy81 51 pts

tm1946 I'm just playing the cards we are dealt & those cards are Pioli, Cassel,& RAC. Have faith in the team buddy.

kcfanintx 72 pts

tm1946mizzouboy81 Maybe he has his eye on one from a playoff team... we can only hope.