Point-counterpoint: Arrowhead Anxiety

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Note: this post is part 1 of a point-counterpoint between optimistic Chiefs scholar Lyle Graverson and Pulitzer Prize-winning fake journalist Big Matt Finucane. The subject matter is Kent Babb’s brilliant piece in The Star yesterday regarding the work environment in the Chiefs front office. Read that article. I mean, I’m sure you already have, but read it again. 

“A great moment in coaching.”

That quote tells quite a story. We’re fresh off yet another losing season, one rife with failures by the men in control of this franchise. They’re being skewered, rightfully, for the counterproductive way they run the front office. And the team president is so tone-deaf he’s bragging about the GENERAL MANAGER OF THIS TEAM finding a candy wrapper on the floor and obsessing over it for a week.* He calls it “a great moment in coaching.” This, after the Chiefs were just forced to fire their actual coach mid-season.

*Can you imagine Pioli displaying that candy wrapper in triumph? What did he say? Was he smiling? How hard did the staff laugh at him after he left the room? 

Donovan may seem like small potatoes, but the fact that Pioli forced Denny Thum to resign so he could promote this guy is heartbreaking to me. Thum was with the team for 36 years. They went through his call log and then unceremoniously forced him out the door. A good man forced out to make room for a company man.

But hey, the results speak for themselves, right? From Donovan’s bio on the Chiefs site:

With the Chiefs, Donovan has leveraged his 12 years in the National Football League to bring an organization-wide focus on improving the fan experience through improved customer relations; expanded relationships with radio and television broadcast partners; and a transformation of kcchiefs.com to the foremost online destination for Chiefs information.

Customer and media relations are listed as his accomplishments? What is this, a joke? There is no team in the league doin’ it worse on either front. And that last part is all kinds of hilarious. Almost as funny as “establishing the stadium as a major player in the national sports and entertainment scene.” Or how about “under Donovan’s leadership, Arrowhead will once again host concerts with tour stops for both Kenny Chesney and Taylor Swift slated for 2011.”

Impressive. Most impressive.

Further up and further in, after the jump:

“Its about winning.”
-Mark Donovan

If security guards didn’t patrol the halls lowering shades, and confiscate phones on public property, how would the Chiefs win football games? Look, you don’t win 21 games out of 49 without lowering some shades. It’s like, how much does Kent Babb even know about football, am I right?

I’m not going to point to this article as proof of how right I was about these guys because I’m aware that for some of you, this isn’t proof. You’re going to fall back on that tired “those employees are liars/complainers who are trying to stir up trouble” excuse. Dancin’ with the girl that brought ya. Let me ask you this though: when you see smoke rising in the distance, do you generally conclude there is a fire? What if the entire skyline is filled with smoke? What if the smoke alarm in your house is going off, it’s 150 degrees, you can’t breathe, and your skin is blistering? If you squeeze hard enough, can you still keep those eyes shut?

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“There are a lot of people who have been here longer than I’ve been here who will sit there and tell you that it’s a much better place to work today.”
-Mark Donovan

“In addition to the more than two dozen independent interviews conducted by The Star, the Chiefs arranged phone interviews with eight current employees. Farmer and Davis were among those, and their interviews were the only two conducted without a Chiefs PR staffer present.”
-KC Star

Yep, Mark Donovan can find all of two people who can be safely relied upon to tell you it’s a much better place to work today, and six more who will say so if sitting next to a KGB agent Chiefs PR staffer. I think we can pretty much close this case. Donovan, Pioli, Clark Hunt and anyone who works for the PR staff is not lying. Everyone else is. Oh, and also, they’re all communists. Kent Babb, too.

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I, for one, am glad Clark Hunt comes from the results-oriented Goldman-Sachs training program. You can always tell a Goldman Sachs man. Results, no matter the cost. Hunt is willing to pay LITERALLY ANY COST (except financially) to make this team a winner. He may demand a lot, but he gives so much of himself (except financially) as well. A true leader. He’s half Teddy Roosevelt, half Frankie Roosevelt. But more charismatic than both.

“We needed a culture that pursued excellence,” Hunt said. “One that valued honesty and integrity…”

We needed honesty and integrity, so we brought in Pioli and Donovan. Any questions?

I’m not even going to waste any more breath on Hunt. You guys are going to call bulllshirt on me, but I honestly don’t think we need to discuss him any more. We all know what he is: an owner who places profit first, winning second. How we feel about that may differ, but we can all essentially agree to its truth at this point.

I’m sure I’ll clown Hunt a time or two this offseason, but what I’m saying is that he no longer needs to be discussed as if he were a variable. He is not. He’s an owner who will spend less than other owners, to the extent that he is allowed. The cap floor will soon render him much less of a liability. At that point he’ll just be someone I casually dislike. A Michael Bay, if you will.

Pioli, on the other hand, is still a variable. His game is still being played, and if half of what we’re hearing is true, it’s being played poorly. The image of him plotting his candy wrapper moment of triumph would be funny if it weren’t so sad. This is the general manager of our football team? Wandering the halls looking for candy wrappers? Was he also mumbling to himself and avoiding cracks?

“I’ve never had an employee who is more attuned to looking after my and my family’s interests than Scott is.”
-Clark Hunt

You’re talking about the GM of the Chiefs, right? The football team? Just checking.

I can see the logic here. I mean thats what a manager is for, right? Managing the owner’s bank account?

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“I’m not going to say that we’ve never done it, but it’s not something we do.  It’s not how we operate this business.”
-Mark Donovan

You’re not going to say you’ve never done it. So, you have done it. But it isn’t something you do. How does that work again?

Was Haley’s phone bugged? I have no idea. None of us do. It sounds pretty crazy. But three years ago the idea of two dozen front office employees speaking out against the team would’ve sounded crazy too. This is a brave new world.

The important thing to consider is that Haley thought his phone was bugged. We had reached that point. Those of you who angrily insisted the relationship was golden earlier in the season can go ahead and offer up your mea culpa at any time. And hey, you think that Nick Wright leak sounds a bit more credible now? No way, right? Everything was peachy keen!

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‘The plaintiff’s claims are completely false”
-official statement

“That rumor is 100 percent false”
-Scott Pioli

‘Those are outright lies”
-unnamed Chiefs official

“There’s no basis in fact”
-Mark Donovan

“It’s not true at all”
-Clark Hunt

Boy, this KC media has totally lost control these past three years. Happened so suddenly, too. They used to be the softest sports media in the country. Then all of the sudden Pioli gets here and they become a bunch of rabid speculators. Talk about unfair.

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Babb’s article is further proof that a) Scott Pioli is very, very confused about what made New England a winner and b) the environment that he and Donovan have created is toxic and counterproductive. Many of us already knew these things, but credit to Babb for bringing it out in the open. It’s about time somebody did.

I love the Chiefs. I do not love Clark Hunt, Scott Pioli and Mark Donovan. They are not the Chiefs.

Follow your boy on Twitter. And follow Babb too, while you’re at it. The man has earned some dap.

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Anytime employees start to think they are entitled to anymore than what they are paid it is time to flush them. That is all this is the systematic replacement of dead weight. (Dead Weight: An employee who is more worried about gossip and office politics than they are about doing a good job.) Sure some of the casualties where probably bad mistakes by Pioli and company and didn't deserve to lose their job. However the organization needed change. Now I'm not advocating the tacks that are used in the process by any means. When you wipe your ass you can go about it in many different ways, all with the same outcome. I prefer to be gentle.

KC Mike, Just because you use high praise for Romeo doesn't make it so. He was hired, at least in my opinion because he is probably cheap, hasn't much of a track record of success and Pioli is sure that when push comes to shove he will be the loyal sidekick and take the rapp for some more of Pioli's failures. And as much as I didn't like haley, he didn't get much support from Pioli. The team has a few, very few players I would call excellent and a lot of below average players with no backups to mention. Most of the starters would be backups on most teams.

@jimfromkc Seriously? This is one of the worst posts I have ever read. In your opinion he was "probably" cheap - was he or wasn't he? If you don't know then what is your opinion based on - a wild guess? It's not my praise on RAC's resume? he won a citation from the Pro Football Writers of America as assistant coach of the year in 2003. The Patriots' defensive statistics were impressive through the 3 super Bowls with NE, but especially so in 2003, as the defense allowed a league-leading and franchise-record 14.9 points per game. No track record of success - yeah you're right except for FIVE Super Bowl rings. Man you are just all over this one aren't you? Guess you and tm1946 need to bring to sidibeke's attention the current state of our roster because he thinks RAC took the job because we have all the tools to win but according to you he was just cheap. Wow.

@KC MikeG@jimfromkc Easy there Mike. He has a different opinion than you, but this can't possibly be one of the worst posts you've ever read. re: Crennel's salary Yeah, he's guessing (we all guess all the time, including you). But he's likely right, isn't he? I'm not suggesting cost had anything to do with Crennel's hire, because i think they had to hire him anyway, and I like the hire. But his salary probably isn't high, as he, like most of these other Patriot guys, failed away from Belichick. Pioli has super bowl rings too. So does Josh McDaniels. So does everyone who worked in NE. Does that mean they're all just really awesome?

@Big Matt@KC MikeG@jimfromkc Easy there BM. Thanks for looking out for jimfromkc's " opinion by immediately questioning mine. In fact if you look at my posts guessing is the issue I complain about the most around here. I try to use fact and logic to support my opinions. What earned my "worst post ever" award was the the obviously completely ridiculous comment that RAC doesn't have a track record of success. I supported my opinion with the facts of his success and it is pathetic that you would call me out and ignore the most ignorant part of his post and 90% of my response.

@KC MikeG@jimfromkc You're doing the same thing you did with Haley. Getting mad at people who don't like him. Might this have more to do with them just being the Chiefs coach than who they are, or their accomplishments? "Guess you and tm1946 need to bring to sidibeke's attention the current state of our roster because he thinks RAC took the job because we have all the tools to win" In point of fact, what Sidibeke said was that we have more tools to win than St Louis, the only other team who requested to interview Crennel.

@Big Matt@KC MikeG@jimfromkc The only other team we know of. If Pioli would have allowed St'L a talk how many others would have asked? Pioli did the right thing letting him talk with other people would only drive up the price.

@Big Matt@jimfromkc Here you are again telling me what I'm doing. Thanks but I don't need your help explaining myself. I'm "mad" (did you see any CAPS or exclamation points did you?) I based my response on the facts of RAC's success not on whether I like him or not. And I'm not doing the same thing as with Haley either. I based my opinion on the Haley/Pioli feud on the information I received from so many just like you who ranted on about Pioli's arrogance and egomania and felt that firing Haley especially mid season would be completely out of character having to admit he failed on his 1st HC. But it seems like I had some bad info on Pioli because he has completely riddle your and many others opinions of him by admitting numerous times starting with Haley's firing presser that he has made mistakes and probably will make more in the future and that he is accountable for the problems. What an ego. But funny how I haven't seen any crow dinners on that drum you beat so loudly. In point of fact, sidibeke said "he needs to win this go around, he knows he has the tools to do that here in KC "AND" has a better chance of doing it "NOW" than he would, say in StL.

Everybody hates the new manager that rolls into town and starts out by firing people and demanding better performance from the rest -thanks for the news flash Babb! Any company that produced a 2-14 product preceded by a 4-12 and followed by a 4-12 product should have had just about everyone shown the door.

Rather than argue with those so willing to believe the worst of our organization and make folly of the airing of the dirty laundry by disgruntled employees in Babb's "brilliant piece" I will simply ask one question. If this is all true then why in the hell would a man of integrity and one of the most respected coaches in the NFL, Romeo Crennel, want to become the new head coach?

@KC MikeG Because he's a keep my head down kind of a guy, he needs to win this go around, he knows he has the tools to do that here in KC and has a better chance of doing it now than he would, say in StL.

@sidibeke@KC MikeG RAC has been completely the opposite of "a keep my head down kind of guy" since taking over. Publicly stating he made the QB change decision and then told Pioli and telling it like it is in the press conferences. If there is really is a toxic, counterproductive KGB/Nazi like work place in KC (do you people even think about the words you choose?) there were numerous openings RAC could have gone after, but he didn't. As for having the tools here in KC doesn't sound like that makes sense according to tm1946 who posted "The bottom line is the Chiefs are nothing to do with winning or superbowls. They have been a bottomfeeder in the NFL and look to continue." Wow.

@KC MikeG That's not what I meant by a keep his head down kind of guy. I mean, he's about doing the job, and he strikes me as the kind of guy who could work with just about anyone, because he doesn't get caught up in the b.s. He just keeps his head down, and does the job the best he can. Good quality. As for tm1946, we have different notions of the talent level of the team. What can I say.

@KC MikeG@sidibeke Technically Crennel didnt have a choice. His contract wasnt up so he had to be sought after through the brass to be talked to by other teams. If he quit it would be a breach of contract.

@Danny W@sidibeke Wrong. Many of the coaches require their teams permission to interview so his situation wasn't unique. His choices were to serve as DC for the final year of his contract with us or accept the HC job with a three year contract recently vacated by a professional coach who had been driven into a paranoid delirium by his boss. Seems like he had a pretty clear choice. Getting Berry back and the continued improvement of our D (12th ranked 2 years running with no offense this year) under his guidance in 2012 would have positioned him for just about any HC job he wanted.

The most damning aspect of this is the relationship between Haley and Pioli. How did it ever get to the point that Haley was afraid to talk on his phone or in the office because he thought he might be recorded? Otherwise, is sounds like Pioli is a jerk and the Chiefs' office is a lousy place to work. Neither is a surprise. Why would anyone think Pioli is any good at managing an office? If he was smart, he would stay out of it and concentrate on the things that matter in winning football games.

@KC Oracle Not sure how smart he is but he is supportive of his owner. Winning has nothing to do with any of this.

@tm1946@KC Oracle Too true. Being good at your job often has nothing to do with it.

@KC Oracle"Why would anyone think Pioli is any good at managing an office?" Belichick has all his guys intern at Staples in the Spring.

rather if its true or dosent matter now. Its out on print and online.Damage done,period!I never have liked pioli, hunt seemed like the type that got beat up alot in high school and dont know doovan. Hunt has always been cheap and always will. silver spoon comes to mind.Star can forget about press passes now,good time for gretz to start sucking again.

That would be like working for the Deusch bag on office space. Just a prick for no reason. Greedy comes to mind. If one person says it well they must just have a bone to pick. If several have to say then let alone a dozen then I think there is a big fire with that smoke. Business men or not thats arrogance to the inth degree. Why would any one want to work for people like that? Even as a coordinator a head coach its par with the Davis bunch out in Oakland. Or dare I say even worse? As a Chiefs fan you can get much worse news than something like that. The front office is more toxic than any other in the league. Organization? Sounds more like Nazi Germany.

I just want to know how candy bar wrappers and people on public roads taking pictures and pulling blinds relates to winning. The only details the fans are going to care about is wins and losses. Too bad the higher ups don't care about the fans just their money.

I think ill mail Pioli all my candy wrappers .

@kcintx Ever wonder how many wrappers could we get sent to Pioli and Donovan as a "teaching lesson"? What is that mailing address?

@tm1946 I think his address is the same as Arrowhead. I'm going to send one for every team loss this year. then I'm going to send one for every quality free agent we don't find a way to resign in the off season. I want him to know I'm paying attention to the details.

@kcintx@tm1946 You should send him one wrapper per day, every day. I'm sure we could raise postage from AA petty cash.

@Big Matt@kcintx Sorry not allowed candy but one of my granddaughter's wrappers might just find its way in the mail. Never can tell what can happen in this crazy world.

@kcintx sounds like a great moment in coaching to me

@njh09 lol. I may have to go. I think someone is following me.

@kcintx@njh09 dump your cell phone and change cars every couple of days. If nothing else, should improve the economy.

@kcintx Let's candy wrapper his car.

This whole thing just makes me sick. I am almost always proud to be a Chiefs fan, but not today. No one should be treated the way that the article claims people behind the scenes are being treated. It's awful and disgusting. I hope this story goes viral. Let everyone know that Pioli is a total piece of shit. Also, big LOL's to Pioli for actually thinking that ANYONE would want to spy on the Chiefs! I mean... REALLY??! C'mon man.

@Chiefsfan7 Sort of funny when you think about it. I believe Hitler, Stalin, a bunch of pedifilies, and the klan could run the office and no one would care if they team could win 11 games a year. But you got to admit, money does not matter, trash is as trash does. Clark, Pioli, and Donovan seem about as trashy as they come.

@Chiefsfan7 Don't believe everything you read. And yes, Really, people conduct corporate espionage every day and pay for information on their competitors. This is a multi-billion dollar business and individuals can make millions by making the right decisions and get shown the door by not. Don't you think our Chief's have knowledge and strategies that would be beneficial for other teams to know? C'mon man.

@KC MikeG Yes because the Chiefs have shown to be a top tier team in the past 10 years and other franchises are dying to know our secrets. C'mon man.

@Chiefsfan7@KC MikeG Wow, thought you said you are "almost always proud to be a Chiefs fan"? Sounds like you don't think much of what you are proud of. I never claimed that we have been a top tier team but you're just being foolish if you think the faiders, dolts or donkeys wouldn't value knowing information about our strategies ( FA's we are targeting, potential draft picks, coaching candidates). You really can't believe with millions of dollars and peoples' careers on the line that secrecy doesn't matter. And IF you are so "almost always proud" to be a Chiefs fan why on earth would you hope for this "awful and disgusting" story to go viral? So many more people could think less of what you're "almost always proud of".

@KC MikeG I can be proud of the players and the coaches without be proud of the douche bags that run the show behind the scenes (AKA Pioli and Hunt). And yes, I hope it does go viral. Pioli is a total piece of crap and I am not proud that he's associated with the Chiefs organization. There's a HUGE difference between blatant paranoia and being concerned and taking precautions to prevent secrecy breaches. Like I have said, I don't see any reason why any team would put their organizations reputation on the line to spy on Chiefs during their practices. Agree to disagree. I don't see the point in us continuing arguing about this.

@Chiefsfan7@KC MikeG My point is if you're not proud of it then why would you want it to go viral? So more people can think poorly of the team you are proud of? There is no benefit for it to go viral. Don't you think how the organization is viewed by the country effects the players and coaches you are proud of? Don't you think it could effect other players or coaches from wanting to come to KC? Right when we need a DC and OC and have serious money to spend on FA's. Wouldn't that have a negative effect on the future success of our team. You don't wish for bad things to happen to someone/thing you are proud of. How about NE and Denver both being fined for video taping their opponents for a competitive advantage which was damaging to their organization's reputations? It clearly happens.

@KC MikeG You clearly are disregarding anything I have said. I am done arguing with you.

@Chiefsfan7@KC MikeG The reality is I'm not disregarding anything you say - I have addressed everything you have said. You on the other hand have disregarded the questions I asked about your viral wish and its impact. Since you have told me twice that you are done arguing then I won't expect a response.

@KC MikeG Just don't see the point in bickering. That is all.

@Chiefsfan7@KC MikeG I was simply looking for you to answer my questions about the negative impact on our team having the story going viral - no bickering required.

I'm afraid to say what I really think for fear that a Chiefs "PR" man will come knocking at my door. I think the Goldman Sachs training program is what did it for me. For those who don't know, Goldman Sachs is an evil organization that is run by satan worshipers.

This read may get some of those red and gold glasses of a few marysunshines. The bottom line is the Chiefs are nothing to do with winning or superbowls. They have been a bottomfeeder in the NFL and look to continue. Just look at the playoff teams, not a whole lot of similarity to the Hunt Chiefs. Lastly a long time ago I was told by a very smart man, you give a man a chance but a "tinhorn" is not going to fool you long and he is not going to change. Pioli and Donovan are just what Hunt wants but they are what they are, two tinhorns. Thankfully they should be gone in about 3 more years.

@tm1946 Funny bottom feeders rarely lead the NFL in rushing or have the WR with the most TD's or win their division. Guess we just aren't watching the same team. Of the 4 remaining playoff teams 2 have strong defenses and running games SF and Balt (JUST LIKE US WITH JC) while NE and NYG have just out scored their opponents - we shall see which approach earns a ring.

@KC MikeG@tm1946 Mike I would like your comment 100 times if I could.

@KC MikeG When you are right, you'r right. Isn't it a bit worrisome that strong running attacks played no part in the actual wins last weekend. They had to have an effective passing game to win? I would like a strong running attack, monster defense, and a decent passing attack. it seems to me, the Chiefs are setting themselves up to no be able to pass if it is a case of pass or lose.

ArrowFan 205 pts

Anytime employees start to think they are entitled to anymore than what they are paid it is time to flush them. That is all this is the systematic replacement of dead weight. (Dead Weight: An employee who is more worried about gossip and office politics than they are about doing a good job.) Sure some of the casualties where probably bad mistakes by Pioli and company and didn't deserve to lose their job. However the organization needed change. Now I'm not advocating the tacks that are used in the process by any means. When you wipe your ass you can go about it in many different ways, all with the same outcome. I prefer to be gentle.

jimfromkc 45 pts

KC Mike, Just because you use high praise for Romeo doesn't make it so. He was hired, at least in my opinion because he is probably cheap, hasn't much of a track record of success and Pioli is sure that when push comes to shove he will be the loyal sidekick and take the rapp for some more of Pioli's failures. And as much as I didn't like haley, he didn't get much support from Pioli. The team has a few, very few players I would call excellent and a lot of below average players with no backups to mention. Most of the starters would be backups on most teams.

KC MikeG 319 pts

jimfromkc Seriously? This is one of the worst posts I have ever read. In your opinion he was "probably" cheap - was he or wasn't he? If you don't know then what is your opinion based on - a wild guess? It's not my praise on RAC's resume? he won a citation from the Pro Football Writers of America as assistant coach of the year in 2003. The Patriots' defensive statistics were impressive through the 3 super Bowls with NE, but especially so in 2003, as the defense allowed a league-leading and franchise-record 14.9 points per game. No track record of success - yeah you're right except for FIVE Super Bowl rings. Man you are just all over this one aren't you? Guess you and tm1946 need to bring to sidibeke's attention the current state of our roster because he thinks RAC took the job because we have all the tools to win but according to you he was just cheap. Wow.