Chiefs’ Line Play The Root Of All Evil

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In poll after poll, Chiefs fans have blamed Haley and the coaches for the last two weeks’ disastrous games. In addition to his hobo beard failing us, the Chiefs have come out flat on both sides of the ball, unable to stop defenses and too inept to get things going on offense – or at least nullifying their good work with penalties when lightning did strike.

However, if there is someone to blame, I don’t think it is Haley. Although he has undoubtedly made mistakes – the nursing-home-paced training camp, and a series of questionable play calls – I do still think he has mostly gotten the best out of what he has to work with.

Cassel has also gotten a lot of flak for his performance, and again, much of it is deserved. As it stands now, Cassel’s season stats are – and may end up permanently being – 10 TD, 9 INT, CMP% 59.5, RAT 76.6. He has had his moments, but essentially has shown that he can’t put the team on his shoulders when the run game is ineffective. I have long made my opinion known that he is a pretty much the definition of a mediocre quarterback. He can manage the game well with play-action passes and has the arm to hit a few strikes a game as long as the defense is biting on the run. But, if it’s all left to him, he will sputter. Still, he’s not the person to blame for our perpetual woes this season.

I’ll tell you who the culprit is after the jump:

No big surprise here: it’s personnel decision-makers Scott Pioli and his Emperor Palp-my-team boss, Clark Hunt.

To me, the biggest things this team was lacking at the end of last season were clear. We had just gotten smacked around by physical teams two games in a row – da Raidas and the Ravens. Both teams stuffed the run, made our O-line look like a bunch of out-of-sync sumo dancers, and preceded to breeze right past our defensive front on the ground, literally, quite like a line of hurtles.

I was, like many others on this site, pounding the table for them to pick up either nose tackle Phil Taylor or offensive tackle Gabe Carimi. We didn’t obviously, although both were available to us. How have they done so far?

First of all, I don’t pretend to follow the Cleveland Browns or the Chicago Bears closely enough to have tape on how Taylor and Carimi have done, but I can offer this very flawed stat: In Madden, Taylor’s player rating has jumped from 74 to 79 so far this season making him their second best D-lineman and Gabe Carimi started out 74 overall but dislocated his kneecap in Week 2 and was never able to see the field after that. Still, in a sign of both the Bears’ blocking woes and their high hopes for Carimi, they kept him on the active roster until yesterday, because they felt that he would make a huge impact if he could come back from the injury.

Although Cleveland hasn’t exactly been the fiercest run-stuffer of the league, only the perpetually outscored Indianapolis Colts have had teams run against them more often. Even facing an average of 32.6 rushes per game, Cleveland’s undoubtedly constantly exhausted defense has allowed only 4.4 yards per game, ranking them a respectable 14th in the league in that category. Taylor has racked up 31 tackles, forced a fumble and gotten four sacks for them. Meanwhile, the free agent we picked up instead of Taylor, Kelly Gregg, has 26 total tackles, one sack, no turnovers.

And nose tackle isn’t our only underperforming position. Kansas City is currently 32nd in the league in sacks with nine (six of which are Tamba Hali’s), and we’re giving our opposing QBs enough time to average an 84.1 passer rating against us, despite the fact that we are ranked 4th in the league for interceptions with 13. Meaning, despite our opportunism shown by ou defensive backfield, our D-line is giving opposing offenses time to pick us apart at will.

Carimi, provided he wouldn’t have had a season-ending injury for the Chiefs, would have replaced Barry Richardson, which I think every Arrowhead Addict agrees is pretty much the worst starting lineman in the league. With Carimi, the Chiefs would have had reliable bookends at both tackle positions which would have increased the ability of Chiefs RBs to bounce their runs outside and also would have made for more effective counters and sweeps. Currently, the Chiefs have the 2nd most rushes for negative yardage when going to the right side. Who’s number 1, you ask? The Chicago Bears, who clearly also need Carimi. The Chiefs are also 31st in the league at getting first downs when running right (we beat out Seattle, woot!). By comparison, we’re a solid 29th in the league for negative runs to the left, and are ranked 6th in the league in the amount of 10-yard-or more gains when running to the left with 16 total.

In other words, with Richardson, we have one of if not the worst right sides in the NFL. Even with a pretty good left side, there is simply no way to compensate for the fact that every defense on the planet knows you can only run left or up the gut. Meanwhile, they know exactly where to attack on passing downs.

Like all of you, I am very excited with the way that Baldwin has come on midseason for us, but Breaston has stepped up, too, and I’m not sure that number 89 has become a game-changing force for us yet. Meanwhile, imagine if one of two other scenarios were true:

A.) We were able to stop opposing defenses from running effectively on us in key situations forcing them to throw more balls toward the ball-hawk Brandons? Imagine we could actually pressure the quarterback, and oh, I don’t know have a chance to produce double-digit sacks this season.

B.) Imagine the right side of our line was as strong as the left side, meaning a total of 32 runs for 10-or-more yards. Having an all-around solid blocking unit that would not allow defenses to stack up D-linemen on the left. Imagine a line that that would have given Cassel enough time to hit just a dozen more 3rd and 4th down passes. I actually think that losses like the one against Miami were less lopsided than their final scores suggest because Haley was playing for the win and going for 4thdowns not field goals when trailing late in games. Imagine if we had the pass blocking to make a few of those.

Now do you still think that Baldwin gives us a better chance to win than either of those two scenarios being true? With two legit receivers in Bowe and Breaston, I sort of look at Baldwin like an unnecessary luxury given the state of the O-line. It’s like having a jacuzzi, but no toilet.

Even if you to think he’s worth it, I think it is now clear that offseason priority number one is to put all of our personnel ammunition – draft picks, trades and free agency – at play for shoring up the remaining holes in the trenches. It’s clear that, especially with Charles, Moeaki and Berry coming back, that we have enough talent in the backfields to be effective. What we lack is that fundamental piece that holds it together. If we can just fix those two areas, plus better our dreadful depth all-around, we once again have a solid team.

Don’t talk about Luck or Manning. Start thinking about that next ultra-talented, big, fat guy that will allow Cassel to play like Manning. Hell, look at what San Fran has been able to do with solid line play, good coaching, plus Frank Gore — whom Jamaal Charles is superior to — and Alex Smith, who, at best, is more or less on the same level as Cassel. Still, if Cassel continues to underwhelm, and we have all of these other pieces in place, then image that squad with the aggressive addition of the next great quarterback.

To quote Dick Cheney in the movie, “W,” “That’s f***ng Empire.”

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Can't argue with you that our lines need help... but I can argue with your interpretation of Pioli's draft. The problem is you have rewritten history..."With two legit receivers in Bowe and Breaston, I sort of look at Baldwin like an unnecessary luxury given the state of the O-line. It’s like having a jacuzzi, but no toilet." Prior to the addition of Breaston WR was by far our most glaring weakness. The ravens beat up on us, but it was most obvious in shutting down Bowe, and no one else getting open. Breaston was not aquired until months after Baldwin was drafted! There is no way the Chiefs could have know they would successfully land Breaston at the time they drafted Baldwin. Put a rookie right tackle in there and hope he learns quick enough to give cassel time to throw.... but who would he throw to if they did not draft Baldwin, and they were outbid by another team for Breaston's services? Finally in defense of the Chiefs draft at the end of the season I felt that our biggest weaknesses in order were... WR, Pass rush, O Line. In nearly perfect order they drafted, WR round 1, O line round 2, and a pass rusher in round 3.

@Gjrchief I am not that wild about the draft, no problem with who they ended up with but, since Hudson has never stepped on the field, how good was it? We will wait 3 years to find out but remember T Grunhardt took over C from Webster by mid season. And Houston has regressed as the season continues. I am more than satisfied by Breaston, just meant we missed on McCluster, a real waste of a 2nder. But don't you think that is Pioli's job to fill the roster with talent for Haley?

@tm1946 I think just because someone doesn't immediately start, doesn't mean they aren't that good. I think it is a great luxury to be able to let hudson learn a year behind an iron man in weigmann. Even if his play is slidding, he still can hold down the fort while teaching hudson. I do not believe the stats support you on Houston, but even if they did, rookies are supposed to have up and downs, good games and bad ones. I think that Piolis job is to put together a team that haley can take to a superbowl... that has never and will never mean the most talented players.

To many of you may be missing the point. Cassel is under contract, had injuries to his supporting cast, is a Pioli guy, is about all that Pioli can point to about his abilities from 2009, and YOU CANNOT FIX EVERYTHING EVERY YEAR. We are past desparate for OL and DL help and I doubt you can fix both in one off season, at least not with this management team. Also we may have a new HC, bet Cassel is here at least one year more than Haley, and OC, Cassel is part of the Hunt/Pioli plan, not a good part but one that will be here thru 2013 when the ner rebuild starts.

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NAC First off I'm a huge fan of getting the trenches in the first rounds and agree with that. However I disagree with were you took the article. Cassels throws look like dying ducks man. I'm ready for someone new. He will never look like Peyton Manning not even with the line Trent Green had man. You can blame it on the line all you want but our left side is more than solid. Its our right hand side which you did aknowledge. That said........ I dont know if Haley would play a first round lineman. He's not playing his second rounder now. We have a healthy Jared Gaither a 25 year old former probowler they dont give much of a shot to. He doesnt design plays to suite our first round reciever who can jump through the ceiling down at the endzone. He's not been given a fair shot brother the guy gets looked at maybe three times a game. Have you not seen some of the kids grabs. That endzone touchdown and the one he caught behind dudes. back. WOW They have a freak of nature in Allen Bailey who doesnt see the field much and he's a third round pick. These decisions are head scratchers to me man.

At one point there was a conspiracy that they were losing on purpose. I think Paddy wrote the article. When they run Jones up the middle six times a game after Battle's realing off big gains and yards after contact one begins to wonder. These draw plays over and over again it's insanity.Crennel not adjusting to stop the run with a bigger front. You have to activate Jerrel Powe for that game (Denver). I dont think we can blame our personel as much as who's deciding whose playing and whose not. Remember Haley thought Larry Johnson was better than Jammal Charles at one point and Charles was cut. I think were gonna see that Haley has narrow vision when Stanzi gets a shot that is if he ever gets his shot.

I love Todd Haley's attitude and brashness. I love how he gambles but when left to decide about who should be playing in the games the guy is mentally handicapped. Just really really stupid and it will cost him his job soon. Scott Pioli isn't out of the shed either man a third round choice on Tyson Jackson. The sooner we replace the LSU boys with three nose tackles in our front the better. The sooner we replace Matt Cassel with an elite quarterback they better. I'd be interested to see what you think about this.

Agree with what you say with the exception of Cassel. I really don't think he would fare well against better defences if he had more time. His arm more or less confines him to the short or intermediate routes. His accuracy goes to hell when he goes long. Sure he might hit one often enough, teasing you into thinking he might be improving. But it all goes back to his arm. When he goes long he is going at the limit of his ability and the closer you get to that limit the worse the accuracy is.

@jimfromkc@Danny W The problem with what you say about Cassel is that it is not reflected in the stats. Last year he threw 27 TD's with 7 INT's, with 40 throws of 20+ yards. This year, he already has surpassed the number of throws for 40+ he threw last year (4) with 5. By comparison, Jay Cutler, who took his team to the NFC Championship game, and might have gotten them into the Super Bowl had he not blown out his knee, threw for 23 TD's 16 INT's in 2010 with 41 passes of 20+ and 6 of 40+. Not much of a difference, and he's considered to be quite possibly the best QB in the NFL from a physical stand point. Cassel's problems have been three-fold, no one other than Bowe is consistently getting open (although, as I mentioned Baldwin and Breaston are coming on now mid-season), the Chiefs' running game doesn't scare people without Charles, and his line flat out cannot protect him against a decent pass rush when the defense know they are going to pass. If you look at all a highlight reel of all the plays where they are in an obvious passing situation, he has guys in his face as soon as the ball is snapped and most of the sacks I've seen him take were not a question of him holding the ball too long, he was hit about 1 second after getting the ball -- i.e. not long enough for his receivers to develop their routes and get open for a 1st-down gain even if he could get the ball to them. Again, don't misunderstand me. I do not think Cassel is a good quarterback. He is mediocre overall, and has potential to be a good game manager, but on a run-first team, that's all you really need. Plus, if we can get some of the gaping holes on this team filled, then we will actually be in a position to make a big expensive Oakland-style move get an elite QB. But we shouldn't make that move -- i.e. trading away our future with multiple #1's or something -- until we have a team that this elite QB could actually succeed with.

Gjrchief 138 pts

Can't argue with you that our lines need help... but I can argue with your interpretation of Pioli's draft. The problem is you have rewritten history..."With two legit receivers in Bowe and Breaston, I sort of look at Baldwin like an unnecessary luxury given the state of the O-line. It’s like having a jacuzzi, but no toilet." Prior to the addition of Breaston WR was by far our most glaring weakness. The ravens beat up on us, but it was most obvious in shutting down Bowe, and no one else getting open. Breaston was not aquired until months after Baldwin was drafted! There is no way the Chiefs could have know they would successfully land Breaston at the time they drafted Baldwin. Put a rookie right tackle in there and hope he learns quick enough to give cassel time to throw.... but who would he throw to if they did not draft Baldwin, and they were outbid by another team for Breaston's services? Finally in defense of the Chiefs draft at the end of the season I felt that our biggest weaknesses in order were... WR, Pass rush, O Line. In nearly perfect order they drafted, WR round 1, O line round 2, and a pass rusher in round 3.

tm1946 183 pts

Gjrchief

I am not that wild about the draft, no problem with who they ended up with but, since Hudson has never stepped on the field, how good was it? We will wait 3 years to find out but remember T Grunhardt took over C from Webster by mid season. And Houston has regressed as the season continues. I am more than satisfied by Breaston, just meant we missed on McCluster, a real waste of a 2nder. But don't you think that is Pioli's job to fill the roster with talent for Haley?

Gjrchief 138 pts

tm1946 I think just because someone doesn't immediately start, doesn't mean they aren't that good. I think it is a great luxury to be able to let hudson learn a year behind an iron man in weigmann. Even if his play is slidding, he still can hold down the fort while teaching hudson. I do not believe the stats support you on Houston, but even if they did, rookies are supposed to have up and downs, good games and bad ones. I think that Piolis job is to put together a team that haley can take to a superbowl... that has never and will never mean the most talented players.

tm1946 183 pts

To many of you may be missing the point. Cassel is under contract, had injuries to his supporting cast, is a Pioli guy, is about all that Pioli can point to about his abilities from 2009, and YOU CANNOT FIX EVERYTHING EVERY YEAR. We are past desparate for OL and DL help and I doubt you can fix both in one off season, at least not with this management team. Also we may have a new HC, bet Cassel is here at least one year more than Haley, and OC, Cassel is part of the Hunt/Pioli plan, not a good part but one that will be here thru 2013 when the ner rebuild starts.

Danny W 137 pts

NAC

First off I'm a huge fan of getting the trenches in the first rounds and agree with that. However I disagree with were you took the article.

Cassels throws look like dying ducks man. I'm ready for someone new. He will never look like Peyton Manning not even with the line Trent Green had man.

You can blame it on the line all you want but our left side is more than solid. Its our right hand side which you did aknowledge. That said........

I dont know if Haley would play a first round lineman. He's not playing his second rounder now. We have a healthy Jared Gaither a 25 year old former probowler they dont give much of a shot to. He doesnt design plays to suite our first round reciever who can jump through the ceiling down at the endzone. He's not been given a fair shot brother the guy gets looked at maybe three times a game. Have you not seen some of the kids grabs. That endzone touchdown and the one he caught behind dudes. back. WOW

They have a freak of nature in Allen Bailey who doesnt see the field much and he's a third round pick. These decisions are head scratchers to me man.

Danny W 137 pts

At one point there was a conspiracy that they were losing on purpose. I think Paddy wrote the article. When they run Jones up the middle six times a game after Battle's realing off big gains and yards after contact one begins to wonder. These draw plays over and over again it's insanity.Crennel not adjusting to stop the run with a bigger front. You have to activate Jerrel Powe for that game (Denver). I dont think we can blame our personel as much as who's deciding whose playing and whose not. Remember Haley thought Larry Johnson was better than Jammal Charles at one point and Charles was cut. I think were gonna see that Haley has narrow vision when Stanzi gets a shot that is if he ever gets his shot.

Danny W 137 pts

I love Todd Haley's attitude and brashness. I love how he gambles but when left to decide about who should be playing in the games the guy is mentally handicapped. Just really really stupid and it will cost him his job soon.

Scott Pioli isn't out of the shed either man a third round choice on Tyson Jackson. The sooner we replace the LSU boys with three nose tackles in our front the better. The sooner we replace Matt Cassel with an elite quarterback they better. I'd be interested to see what you think about this.

jimfromkc 45 pts

Agree with what you say with the exception of Cassel. I really don't think he would fare well against better defences if he had more time. His arm more or less confines him to the short or intermediate routes. His accuracy goes to hell when he goes long. Sure he might hit one often enough, teasing you into thinking he might be improving. But it all goes back to his arm. When he goes long he is going at the limit of his ability and the closer you get to that limit the worse the accuracy is.

NicholasAlanClayton 16 pts

jimfromkcDanny W The problem with what you say about Cassel is that it is not reflected in the stats. Last year he threw 27 TD's with 7 INT's, with 40 throws of 20+ yards. This year, he already has surpassed the number of throws for 40+ he threw last year (4) with 5. By comparison, Jay Cutler, who took his team to the NFC Championship game, and might have gotten them into the Super Bowl had he not blown out his knee, threw for 23 TD's 16 INT's in 2010 with 41 passes of 20+ and 6 of 40+. Not much of a difference, and he's considered to be quite possibly the best QB in the NFL from a physical stand point.

Cassel's problems have been three-fold, no one other than Bowe is consistently getting open (although, as I mentioned Baldwin and Breaston are coming on now mid-season), the Chiefs' running game doesn't scare people without Charles, and his line flat out cannot protect him against a decent pass rush when the defense know they are going to pass. If you look at all a highlight reel of all the plays where they are in an obvious passing situation, he has guys in his face as soon as the ball is snapped and most of the sacks I've seen him take were not a question of him holding the ball too long, he was hit about 1 second after getting the ball -- i.e. not long enough for his receivers to develop their routes and get open for a 1st-down gain even if he could get the ball to them.

Again, don't misunderstand me. I do not think Cassel is a good quarterback. He is mediocre overall, and has potential to be a good game manager, but on a run-first team, that's all you really need. Plus, if we can get some of the gaping holes on this team filled, then we will actually be in a position to make a big expensive Oakland-style move get an elite QB. But we shouldn't make that move -- i.e. trading away our future with multiple #1's or something -- until we have a team that this elite QB could actually succeed with.