Chiefs Need To Show More Aggression

@KC MikeG how much can you blame Haley for injuries? Is it poor conditioning?

@Arrowhead Adventurer@kc I'm not blaming Haley for the injuries and as much as many want to blame our poor start on Haley's approach in camp. I believe the delays in getting rookies/FA's into camp and the CBA limitations on padded practices had way more impact. I'm saying the injuries to our star players is one of many reasons Haley should get another year with a full offseason to earn a new contract.

@KC MikeG @kc yeah I don't know though he might not be properly conditioning the players.

@Arrowhead Adventurer@kc I was at camp and there was plenty of conditioning going on at the sacrafice of making progress getting the team ready to play. The players showed up in worse shape than last year due to no OTA's or rookie camp. Many players I would have expected more from showed up in not ready for football shape. Even Tamba was on his knees, sucking wind, so sick and had to sit out and be limited in practice. Everyone says the CBA effected all teams evenly but not all teams were even to begin with since many had players who took more responsibility for their conditioning.Some teams, especially young ones like us, needed more padded practices but the new CBA didn't allow.

@KC MikeG@kc poor Conditioning and improper technique could contribute I think. I was at camp too, it was a good one.

@Danny W cannot argue Dano. Good points.

@mikhel the plays take two hours to get to cassel! It's bullshit.

@laddiemorse I think we must move on from Matt. I like the guy, he got us out of a BIG hole we had NOBODY that could stay on their feet in that position. But who do we get? Several teams have proven that you can get a good first round draft pick QB and hit the ground running. Maybe we can do that with a little Luck?

Wow... he makes some great points. I can see why he's saying all those things. @tm1946

@tm1946 very interesting!

@tm1946 Danan Hughes who started 3 games over 6 years is an expert on HC strategies?? Pretty easy for Marty to talk about championships when you are in the playoffs 4 out of the 6 years he was a Chief. Reality is that, with the talent level/injuries we have, if Haley was preaching championships they would have carted him off in a white jacket. Making progress and getting better everyday should be every teams mantra. If you're not getting better then you are either stagnant or losing ground. Like Haley never says anything about championships - wrong.

@KC MikeG Sorry you did not get it. No, it is are the Clarks doing the most to put their players in the physical and mental mindset to win? Just making progress is a loser's mentality, you become a Cincy, Det, or Cleveland always trying to get better but always a bottomfeeder ready and willing to lose to the next good team. Actually your comments are a cheap shot and support the loser view, wait til next year when we get some help. The Clarks needed to break out and swagger a bit from being the AFC Champs, not coming up with some bi-polar warped view of a preseason and we don't need no stinkin' free agents, we will win ugly, work in progress. Hell every team is awork in progress. It is just about having a loser mentality and waiting for the next loss to come or do they may play a little better than their stats say they should and maybe win something.

@jimfromkc agreed

kc MikeG how much can you blame Haley for injuries? Is it poor conditioning?

Arrowhead Adventurerkc

I'm not blaming Haley for the injuries and as much as many want to blame our poor start on Haley's approach in camp. I believe the delays in getting rookies/FA's into camp and the CBA limitations on padded practices had way more impact. I'm saying the injuries to our star players is one of many reasons Haley should get another year with a full offseason to earn a new contract.

kc MikeG kc yeah I don't know though he might not be properly conditioning the players.

Arrowhead Adventurerkc

I was at camp and there was plenty of conditioning going on at the sacrafice of making progress getting the team ready to play. The players showed up in worse shape than last year due to no OTA's or rookie camp. Many players I would have expected more from showed up in not ready for football shape. Even Tamba was on his knees, sucking wind, so sick and had to sit out and be limited in practice. Everyone says the CBA effected all teams evenly but not all teams were even to begin with since many had players who took more responsibility for their conditioning.Some teams, especially young ones like us, needed more padded practices but the new CBA didn't allow.

KC MikeGkc poor Conditioning and improper technique could contribute I think. I was at camp too, it was a good one.

danny W cannot argue Dano. Good points.

mikhel the plays take two hours to get to cassel! It's bullshit.

laddiemorse I think we must move on from Matt. I like the guy, he got us out of a BIG hole we had NOBODY that could stay on their feet in that position. But who do we get? Several teams have proven that you can get a good first round draft pick QB and hit the ground running. Maybe we can do that with a little Luck?

Wow... he makes some great points. I can see why he's saying all those things. tm1946

tm1946 very interesting!

tm1946

Danan Hughes who started 3 games over 6 years is an expert on HC strategies?? Pretty easy for Marty to talk about championships when you are in the playoffs 4 out of the 6 years he was a Chief. Reality is that, with the talent level/injuries we have, if Haley was preaching championships they would have carted him off in a white jacket. Making progress and getting better everyday should be every teams mantra. If you're not getting better then you are either stagnant or losing ground. Like Haley never says anything about championships - wrong.

KC MikeG

Sorry you did not get it. No, it is are the Clarks doing the most to put their players in the physical and mental mindset to win? Just making progress is a loser's mentality, you become a Cincy, Det, or Cleveland always trying to get better but always a bottomfeeder ready and willing to lose to the next good team. Actually your comments are a cheap shot and support the loser view, wait til next year when we get some help. The Clarks needed to break out and swagger a bit from being the AFC Champs, not coming up with some bi-polar warped view of a preseason and we don't need no stinkin' free agents, we will win ugly, work in progress. Hell every team is awork in progress. It is just about having a loser mentality and waiting for the next loss to come or do they may play a little better than their stats say they should and maybe win something.

jimfromkc agreed