This Should Be The End Of The Matt Cassel Era In KC

@MicahStephenson Dude the O-line isn't the problem Cassel has happy feet and rather run then make his reads.. Look at the history if Cassel get's blitzed within the first Quarter of the game then he starts to get scared opposed to Brady or Rogers who manages to stay in the pocket or move around.. Look at what Palko did in the last few seconds of the game he managed to avoid getting sack by moving in the opposited direction of the pressure and at least get a field goal out of it. It looks like the O-line but it's not. Cassel is hanging on to the ball way longer and making his reads way longer he's also slow at making his reads and therefore he gets happy feet and starts running for his life again.. How long do you expect the line to hold with a QB who has a slow release and a slow read??? We don't need to go into free agency for a QB we already have a QB until the end of the year just need to give him snaps and time.. Cassel was the problem I've been saying that for the last two years...

@MicahStephenson I'll take Matt Barkley or Landry Jones in the 1st round in a HEART BEAT. Their TALENT is simply higher, so their ceiling is higher. that's the problem with cassel, he has maximized his talent. if you are ok with a "mediocre" qb, that's fine. However, I believe you need an ELITE QB to win a SB in today's game.

@jpopejoy@MicahStephenson Agreed. A team without an elite QB is not going to win the Super Bowl. There was Trent Dilfer with the Ravens, who had the best defense in the NFL. Then there was........Well, you get the point. Cassel is, always was and always will be a middle of the road QB. We have the talent to get where we need to be if we had the right guy to lead us there. Pioli, the clock is ticking. Not on the talent, but with the fans. You and Hunt are slowly killing the Golden Geese. The Chiefs Nation.

@big chief said it earlier and i'll say it again...going into the Miami game, the Kansas City Chiefs had given up the fewest sacks in the NFL. also, did you see Brady Sunday night? Jets were all over him, but he got the ball out of his hands quickly. Did you see Rodgers Monday night? He moves all around the pocket and gives himself more time, or he gets rid of the ball quicker. Cassel has a SLOW release, and his reads are slow as well. sometimes a line helps a QB, sometimes a QB helps a line...i feel like Cassel doesn't help our line when they have bad games.

@jpopejoy @big chief fewest sacks? But how many in the last 2 games? How many sacks did cassel avoid by runing his for his life soon as the ball is snapedo? Get the ball out his hands quiker to who? The wrs arnt getn open. Move around in wat pocket? Brady and Rogers wud FAIL behind wat is now b n called the worst oline n the NFL.

@IBleedRed2011 I have this hunch that at the end of the season Palko's numbers will look a lot like Cassel's.

@RICK TORREY I don't hate that idea. It would just depend on the price for Manning. You can't sell off your entire future in draft picks if their is the slightest chance the guy's health isn't ever going to be right again. If he checked out medically and we could get a few runs at the SB before he calls it a career I'd be all for it. We could still groom Stanzi or another draft pick for the future.

@jimfromkc it's very clear it all starts w/ QB. Chiefs are 4-5 without peyton, Colts are 0-9, so to say he couldn't win w/ our talent is absolutely insane. It's a QB league and we need one. We have playmakers at WR and RB, but not one to get them the ball. Also, we won't need to "sell the farm" to get Jones or Barkley...we'll probably not need to move ANYWHERE to get barkley. only one you'll have to give up everything for is Luck, and i'm 100% ok w/ that

@jpopejoy @jimfromkc how can u compare cassel to Manning mayby the best QB of all time. Thats like a team saying our RB sucks cus hes is not as good as Jim Brown was or our wr sucks cus hes not as good as Jerry Rice was!

@jimfromkc You are absolutely right about getting the lines fixed. That is imperative to any QB's success. Luck is the only player in the draft that I would "sell the farm for". Any of the others will probably fall to us with our pick in the first round. Luck is the exception and if you have a chance you have to take him. Just because Cassel got knocked around it was not always the lines fault. He has to recognize defenses and call the protection schemes. I think he misses the reads all too often. If we can't get Luck (and I think that is likely) then there are several outstanding QB's out there. I personally like Griffin III from Baylor. Incrediblly accurate and very athletic. Right now after Luck, he is one of the front runners for the Heisman. I think he may very well fall to us. Then I think you go after offensive tackle and defensive line. What we do not draft then hopefully can pick up in free agency. I am at a loss as to why Haley is not playing Gaither. He has to be better than Richardson. I don't believe the Colts would trade Peyton right after they just gave him this huge contract. They have more loyalty than that. I can see you understand our frustration with our age.

@Big Jim@jimfromkc RG3 won't even be a 1st round pick. he's not rated in the top 32 by scouts inc. That's not a type of QB i want anyway...the "run first" qbs rarely win you much in the NFL imo

@jpopejoy@jimfromkc I would agree with you if he was a run first QB. He is primarily a pocket passer with the ability to run, but rarely does so. He is 6'2" and 220. This season he has completed 224 of 302 pass attempts for 3093 total yards with 74.2% completion rate. Also has 29 TD's with only 5 INT. I like those numbers and they are real.

@Big Jim@jimfromkc good point, but be wary, he is one of those "spread offense" college guys that rack up a ton of stats in the pro's, but don't pan out in college (jason white, pat white, etc)

@Big Jim@jimfromkc Yeah, Griffin makes me nervous. He just seems like a high bust factor player to me, but I'll be honest I haven't watched him all that much. As far as Gaither goes, this seems like the perfect time to make that switch. With Palko being left handed the RT is now protecting the QBs blind side. Gaither has experience doing that as the Ravens LT. I think the Chiefs have to at least try it so that Palko has a fighting chance out there.

@Olivier_French_Chief lot's of info there, lol. I don't think this would be an admission of error on Haley...I think he's handcuffed to Cassel, and unfairly so. However, I have no idea if Pioli would admit it. The funny thing is...he wants things the "patriot" way, but if Bellicheck makes a mistake w/ a player he just cuts them or trades them. I'm curious why people think Stanzi will be good? I'm a big 10 guy (IU) and watched quite a bit of of that Iowa team. He could only MANAGE a game in college, that isn't enough. He's actually a less talented Tebow (how scary is that?). They drafted him b/c he's a leader and they were hoping, but there is no way this guy will be an NFL starting QB. As far as Brady...i knew one of the scouts on that NE team then...they *all* thought brady was playing some serious football in training camp/preseason, and a lot of them were excited for Brady to get a chance to play...so it's not like he just came in and was a total shock to the staff, they'd seen a lot of promise that year from him. We just gotta take Jones or Barkley...or my preference, offer "the house" for the #1 overall and get Luck. If they turn out to be a bust, hey, i'll live with that. It's like in baseball...bases loaded, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs...you gotta take the bat off your shoulder and swing. if we miss, i can accept that, but I'm sick of accepting not even taking a swing since i was TWO YEARS OLD (todd blackledge)

@jpopejoy Can't tell me about Stanzi. Here in France I don't follow much NCAA football, and I just buy crossing scout reports at draft time. And I clearly agree : if in position to do so next draft IS the time to take a shot at a hot college prospect.

@jpopejoy@Olivier_French_Chief I want to finally thank Haley for benching Cassell like I've been saying for the last two years is Cassell sucks and he's not a dependable QB he's more of backup and not a starter.. Palko was in for at least 3 plays and at least got us in field goal range with the time that he was given..

@Olivier_French_Chief Olivier, you say Pioli likes his QBs cheap? He was the guy who signed Cassel for 63 MIL. And right now, that experiment should end, and the Stanzi era, hopefully , should begin. I don't see Palko as any more than a fill-in, and the Chiefs need to see if Stanzi can be an NFL QB. If he doesn't get some starts soon, then next year we go back to the drawing board and draft another guy, and the merry-go-round continues. This is just another example of Haley and Pioli not being ready for another injury to the most important player on the offense. As far as I know, Stanzi hasn't even dressed. At this point we know that neither of the QBs are going to win any games with the schedule, but we can at least see if they can play. If Stanzi shows a good deal of promise, then we don't waste a pick on another one. But with Palko, we have just another wasted year of broken promises by our Chiefs.

@RICK TORREY I meant Cheap because I can't recall Pioli drafting a QB real high in the draft

For you that want to look at the draft for a QB who is going to mentor a guy fresh out college? Do we look for a veteran QB to do that? Who? Do we get a veteran to play a year? What do the Chiefs do with their QB situation? Keep Cassel and draft a QB? That wouldn't work, get a veteran and develop Stanzi? Even if could figure that out o-line need to be re-tooled.

1st QB should be starting by week 5, esp if we end up w/ one of those 3 (luck, jones, barkley). you take your lumps, while the entire team is young. These are things that teams in the NFL do every year. They are reasonable questions, but they are also not difficult ones. a couple NFL teams have to answer these every year. @AK.

@AK. come on man...every Doctor in this world will tell you there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO to prevent ACL tears. They are unpredictable and not related to physical shape. Also, after having a private conversation w/ a chiefs scout close to the organization, Weis leaving was about his kid's health and his own health. Haley took the "talent" that Herm Edwards had...Turned bowe from an inconsistent crybaby into a Probowl and a leader. Tamba Hali from a borderline 1st round bust into a Probowler. Derrick Johnson from a borderline 1st round bust into a a solid LB who has been getting some Probowl talk this year. Oh ya...Charles from the bench to one of the best RBs in the game. Looks like he's also well on his was to turning and immature diva in Baldwin into the "right type of player". 2 wins to 10 in 2 years? i think he probably has maximized talent in a lot of areas. I'm not a haley apologist, but i do think people are over looking A LOT and putting all the weight in how he handled the preseason, which was obviously a mistake. However, moving forward, I do agree he needs to let go of the offense more and leave it to the coordinator...but that's also the growing pains of a young nfl coach.

@Socalchiefs barkely is projected around 18 right now....but more importantly, some of those teams that will finish worse than us don't need a QB (Rams, Panthers, Vikings). We'll definitely have a chance to take Barkley or even possibly Landry Jones

@jpopejoy@Socalchiefs The Rams are not in the market for a QB. $72 bazzilion on Bradford. Just because he has had the sophmore slump ( a REALLY BAD sophmore slump) does not mean the rams will be looking to replace Bradford with a first round pick. And Carolina? Ever heard of a dude named Cam Newton that might be making a run at rookie of the year? Carolina will be looking to boost the O line to give the new kid some protection.

@ColoradoChief @jpopejoy@Socalchiefs He didn't say they needed QB's. Re-read his comment. "but more importantly, some of those teams that will finish worse than us don't need a QB (Rams, Panthers, Vikings)."

@ColoradoChief @Socalchiefs reread that one more time buddy. i said they WON'T need a QB...those damn contractions are hard to understand ;)

@Socalchiefs What is your take on Barkley compared to those in years past, I know he's better than Jon David Bootey, but is he better than Mark Sanchez? Is he Carson Palmer material?

@KC Oracle Only a complete idiot would think Cassel is a Super Bowl quarterback though Oracle, and Pioli is not. He is arrogant though and would leave Cassel in because he picked him. Kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Can he win a division title sure he can with talent like that around him, but thats it no further. He just doesnt have the accuracy or the ice in his viens. Trent Dilfers happen from time to time but our defense is not as stout as his was.

@kc Wow you commented on yourself and I didn't read it sorry about that bro.

@KC Oracle Here's the thing, Pioli wants to win a Super Bowl. Another year of Cassel is another year of putting off finding a QB that can get us there. Let's hope that his desire to get his own ring without Darth Hoodie so he can brag about how great he is on his own is greater then his fear to admit he was wrong.

@LyleGraversen @kc despite recent success of others, I don't think it is a good idea to drop our starter, draft a rookie, and hope for the best. I think oracle has the right idea, draft a rookie, let him learn the playbook, without getting nailed on the right side by whoever brich is blocking, while Cassel takes the punishment. Then the next year use 1st round pick to draft a world beater at tackle. Then the sophmore QB will have a chance to thrive.

@Gjrchief@LyleGraversen@kc Sounds like a good plan. Of course, it is dependent upon findnig the right young QB. Right now, that looks like the next QB is the decision that will make or break Pioli in KC. It also lets Pioli chase a division title one more time with Cassel; gives Pioli one last chance at $5.25 Million cheap price to see if Cassel can reward Pioli's judgment three years ago.

@Gjrchief@kc If BRich is starting again next week it will be a failure by the Chiefs, if he's starting again next season then a whole mess of people deserve to be fired.